International Solidarity (Formerly the Holla Forums Popular Front)

The naysayers are really starting I get under my skin. It's like they don't actually want a revolution

Fossil is basically a wiki, bugtracker and version control.

This guy is woke as fuck, now I'm interested.

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Nice strawman idiot.

Yeah, I think it's worth casually joining. The guy who started it seems super passionate and immature af

That's the point. The problem is that people come up against a thorny problem and blink.

I came up with the idea to start a commune to get people interested by the big talk.

Then we could start with smaller projects: beer-brewing, beekeeping, 3d printing as a gateway into the larger collections of means of production.

The idea is to provoke people into action. Maybe something will happen; I will build a langstroth hive and start a bee colony; its easy and can make something cool and useful. That's how we start, small, but cool and useful, into the larger and more practical.

People are energized when the ones who talk big can back it up. I hope I can start something with this.

Just call it quits and join the international Jewry already, they have similar goals and it's the only way your cancerous ideology can get a foothold to mass slaughter the populace.

nice meme edgelord

I would totally give money if it went towards the making of a commune, hell I would probably come live in it as long as it wasn't too much work. It's not like I have shit back home.

Just give me my own room, electricity, and we're good.

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why don't you start with what I said? Beehives are self-reproducing honey and bee factories.

Do you have any vacant lots nearby? Plonk some hives down and populate them. It's easier to do this in shitty neighborhoods as nobody asks questions and it works in either the city or the country. Start a small side gig selling homemade honey and work upwards; you can sell it all to a pro beekeeper if you get bored.

Read this guy: ranprieur.com
read his landblog especially.

Ran Prieur bought a piece of clear-cut because he wanted a primitivist lifestyle and did it for like 8-9 years. He built a shack out of concrete cylinders and planted some food plants like fruit and nut trees and bushes. He built beehives and exposed the rock face of his watershed spring, giving him clean water. He experimented with waste disposal through mycoculture, burying his waste in wood chips and dead leaves and having edible mushrooms grow from it. In eight months that spot was the richest patch of soil on the ten acres he had purchased. Though it was rough, he had fun. He made a detailed blog of all the stuff he did for the past 15 years on this project. We can learn from him. Look for other 90s style websites like that, many of them have really good info and other shit:

gbppr.org
sixmhz.com
n55.dk
and others
FWIW, if what you say is your situation, you really have nothing to lose doing all what I just mentioned. Try it and see what you like.

Well that's better than being an armchair defeatist, so I'll take it.

We know what and who we plan to organize, so your shitty strawman comic isn't even relevant. The goal is to facilitate practical action and use memetics to educate about widely relatable issues such as the robbing of surplus value, not to hold "protests" or "raise consciousness" in a vague and abstract sense.

keke, the Right never changes

Question: will there be any attempt to collaborate with other leftist organizations? Realistically people are not going to devote their time to a bunch of different organizations, nor will they want to pick up and leave whatever they've invested time into. Would there be any attempt to unite existing organizations under a non-sectarian umbrella?

leftcoms everyone

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Come on tox, my ID is
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I'm being 100% serious here, could we capitalize on the Bee Movie memes to encourage people to do this? The Lazy Town memes were used to get people to donate money to Robbie Rotten's actor for his cancer fund.

I'm sure there will have to be, eventually. Due to the decentralized nature of our organization, affiliation with it shouldn't preclude membership to any other organization or vice versa. The way I see it, any organization that is willing to cooperate with us, or other organizations under our umbrella, shows that they're willing to put sectarianism aside for the greater good enough to make good allies. Likewise, anyone who won't probably wouldn't have been a good fit anyways. Of course we need to be careful with who our name shows up beside, so ultimately these things will need to be dealt with on a case-by-case basis.

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You're implying you've offered valid critisism, but you've only posted shitty strawman comics. Begone, troll. You'll find no more attention here.

This comic implies that attempts at organizing are, like religious beliefs, not subject to skepticism. This is bullshit on its face. Leftism requires praxis in order to evaluate the validity of its theories. Post some actual criticism so we can refine our process or fuck off.

Fuck I'm retarded I meant "like religious practices" not "beliefs."

mmm, leftist elitism by those who don't even know what they're talking about, tasty
(surplus value isn't "robbed", labor power is bought at its value, surplus value is generated in the production process)

are these ones better?

It's not just honey, there's also beeswax, propolis (a natural antimicrobial preservative) bee pollen and royal jelly (highly nutritious, used as health supplements). All are rather high-priced commodities too, but that is not the only good thing about it; it grows and is edible. Ironically, cities are really good for beekeeping due to the heat island effect and more varieties of flowers; just make sure you don't get stung.

Same thing with mushrooms and mycoculture. It all depends on where you grow it and testing the soil for toxins. Some can even process animal waste and kill the bacteria in it.

I don't think you know what elitism is.

That's a technical distinction that isn't even necessarily true and makes it more difficult to understand class than necessary. Especially when talking to millennials, there's a good chance that they have actually been robbed in the sense that the contract was violated.

Like these:
libcom.org/library/activism-amadeo-bordiga
libcom.org/library/sic-11-further-remarks
libcom.org/library/militancy-ojtr

Sure, but it is still extremely important to understand surplus value, and how it is generated. A fight merely for fair wages is a fight *for capitalism*.

No shit.

Hey asshole, read this here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communization

The revolution is the process of liberating the means of production from the capitalists. It is a process that moves as fast as it needs to. All we need is pressure and time, just like in Shawshank.

Let's see, slaughter a few hundred perhaps a few thousand communist extremist vs slaughtering tens of millions. I know which option i would choose.

Did you read the article?
Communization is a branch of left communism, and all left communists (including communizaiton theorists) would strongly disagree that revolution is simply the process of liberating the means of production from the capitalists.

Capital =/= capitalists

fucked up editing, meant
>you

We are talking about communicating class to people in a context they are familiar with.

Hi reddit.

This is a meme, Black Book of Communism authors admitted to inflating numbers. You're also sticking on every death in a ""communist"" country as somehow communism the ideology sprouting legs and used a chainsaw to murder thousands of people. I can easily name 10's of millions of "capitalist famines": Congo (3 million), Bengal (14 million in total), Persia (10 million).

Is that how it works on reddit?

I just haven't been on leftypol for a few months

Leftcom I generally like you, but can we both agree Marx's theory of Capitalism is wholly irrelevant today. The fist three Chapters of Capital are antiquated, there's no way for value to be expressed in commodities if money is not a commodity.

every time

I had never read Bordiga before but holy shit is that nigga spooked and/or autistic. Just because an intellectual framework is internally consistent and elaborate doesn't make it accurate.

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Only the bourgies and Fascists

Honestly I'm quite dumbfounded. I appreciate that you generally like me, but almost everything I say is based on my understanding of "Marx's theory of capitalism".

I think what you mean to say is that since we don't use commodity money or credit money, then Marx's theory of capitalism is useless, which is simply not true.

I highly recommend you take a look at some explanations of how token money works from a Marxist perspective:
critiqueofcrisistheory.wordpress.com/?s=token money
I think this one might answer your question best:
critiqueofcrisistheory.wordpress.com/from-money-as-universal-equivalent-to-money-as-currency/

Sorry, my post was strongly worded. What I meant was that a lot of Marx's critique isn't accurate today, but I will give a look at those. I like Jehu, who has an (underdeveloped) theory on how fiat money functions.

from the wikipedia page

"As we apprehend it, the process of instituting communism can only take the form of a collection of acts of communisation, of making common such-and-such space, such-and-such machine, such-and-such knowledge. That is to say, the elaboration of the mode of sharing that attaches to them. Insurrection itself is just an accelerator, a decisive moment in this process."

sometimes currency is only a cigar

Tiqqun, the invisible committee, and others in that vein aren't really communization currents, as is hinted to in the section you quoted.

they are total shit and everything you've quoted is nothing but shit and you know it, unless you honestly believe "sharing" is "pre-revolutionary"

Jajaja, muy danko meme hermano

What was Tarnac? Why did IC say to form communes and affinity groups?

I read the relevant parts of your articles, but I don't think you know what we are going to do. You think we are going off to LARP as the Weathermen or RAF or something; nothing could be further from the truth.

Sharing is pre-revolutionary, and even fully revolutionary so long as it undermines the function of enclosing means of production and self-replicating commodities away from those that produce and consume them, the farmers and the people they feed; no more middlemen, since we will become our own suppliers, gradually, of course.

Start looking into how your everyday life could have revolutionary perspective; it's not going to be some mass action like in V for Vendetta or some looting or throwing molotovs, it's going to be how much you can make for yourself or scavenge for almost free, as opposed to what you buy even at the thrift store, though those will be a useful step towards that direction.

Tiqqun and IC were always about communization; Tiqqun identified the problem of Bloom and the Young-Girl and the systems of alienation, control and surveillance. IC articulated what must be done; seizure and/or communization of all kinds of means of production and their propagation in a communized framework. That's all, so autistically simple. Nothing more, really.

Oh, excuse me. Its worse than I thought.

Its full blown self-management-fetishizing prefigurative politics.

Have fun, at best, being an anti-organizationalist organization for traveler kids, and at worst going back to pre-capitalist patriarchal peasant production! Send me postcards, I'll be fighting for communism!

*It's
(both times)

If you're bent on going communization, at least go Dauve or Endnotes.

Not the ones that end up trying to figure out why one of them wound up in the Greek government.

Well, you convinced me This International Solidarity business is pointless. I want to join your side now. What should I do? Can I leave you my skype name and we can talk? I have a couple thousand dollars in the bank, and various skills we can go over. I live in America, and I have a car.

Really? Damn, that was fast. For sure we can talk. I have no idea how to exchange skype names privately though.

For now I would recommend:
leftcom.org

They're the organization I'm currently working with (the flag from one of their affiliates is what I made the leftypol leftcom flag out of)

I'm now convinced leftypol is just "old left" nostalgia.

Hippie self-sustainable communities and guys like Peter Joseph are doing more for leftism than you guys are.

What you may also not realise is that being a burgeoise is a sort of requirement if you want to independently inflict any actual change in the world right now.

This may sound stupid but I think the only way for the left to succeed is to figure out how create global institutions on the scale of corporations and actually convince people that "entrepreneurship" can work even better under socialism.

Proletariat is a meaningless word in 2016.Most proles dream of having their own little bussniness that is in line with their passion.

Basically,we need to realistically and practically prove that our ideas are better than capitalism wether it's some HUGE COMMUNE or whatever.We need to provide a viable alternative first,then people will start joining in huge numbers and directly supporting such projects finanacially.

That's how 90% of peolle view it anyways

Marx held this view too - what "old left" nostalgia do you mean?

They are desperately trying to reconcile their passion with the impersonal world of Capital - this is not new.

I semi-agree with this.

Self-refutation doesn't really get better than this.
And I live with Mormons.

Prefigurative politics are hilarious.
Socialism in one country doesn't work just because you're an anarchist, let alone in one city.

Nice work on the library, will be sure to read. Why is the bible and quran included though?

here's muh ID if anyone wants to add me: 263F86D3A6799E519F3CEA3560CAABB2E573FF88B61E7A27F5656E7A3258B15727D74FEA805A

Not to put too fine a point on it, but that's seems useless.

Better, if marginally.

A-a-and it's over.

They are right. It's just like ISSU: the whole approach contradicts the very basics of organization. There is no goal set. As a result, ideas will default to the lowest common denominator and nobody will be motivated to put any effort into anything.

I can see even common front with AnCap, as long as there is specific goal (secure decentralized communications, for example), but not some vague "class consciousness".

Organizers are too scared to say what they actually want on an anonymous board. What do you expect from them?

They don't. I tried getting some practical answers, but it boils down to "big government will decide everything for me" (and that was Anarchist). Jew Holla Forums fears the Revolution.

NON-SECTARIAN

Expect Mein Kampf too (or is it already there?).

The point is that we push back and create a wide network of small sanctuaries that provide a meaningful example to our neighbors on what communization means. This means using any means necessary:
Marx himself did some financial speculation and his observation of Engels' factory was what informed him to write the Communist Manifesto and later Capital. Marx himself said that as Capital runs out of markets to colonize, it gets weaker, and as workers are alienated from their produce even more to the point that they and their children starve, 2 things happen: they either get weaker and degenerate and turn into lumpens, or get radicalized and gain a revolutionary perspective. The Black Panther Party was working towards the economic radicalization and independence of Black people to the point that people who were alienated from the wider economy politically could create something for themselves. That's what we should experiment in and emulate; take what works and spread it to the wider population' consciousness.

Whenever we torrent, share or don't necessarily pay for our goods monetarily (though we can labor for them where others help us make them), that is a little bit of communized society manifesting itself among us. As we build such social relations that allow this to occur, and it already does, along with new technologies and tools that allow us to reach further, it becomes more and more real; physibles for 3d printing parts and 3d scanning, mushroom spores and plant cuttings, honeybee nucs, fucking Linux even.

freegeekchicago.org/
So what that this is a thrift store. It provides refurbished, secure and at-cost means of communication, and if applicable, means of production to people who never had it before, at a much lower price: it does not manufacture computers for profit, and it does not extract surplus value from its workers: they themselves know that spreading this business model, while not sustainable in the long run, is necessary to invest people with the ability to work in this environment. Sometimes the even have oscilloscopes and other exotic hardware. You can be jaded and say that this is just the system trying to recycle part of its waste back into liquid assets, but I see these as means of production being spread.

Name is pending / temporary right, this name still sounds like a socdem club.

Most important works of world literature to ever be written, and of extreme importance to billions of people. All leftists should be atleast partially familiar with them. Recall all the famous communist quotes derived from the bible "He who does not work, neither shall he eat" and 'From Each, Too each', dubiously attributed to the bible to name the two most famous, bar none.

god this is pure cringe

well, have fun while you're larping.

he's right tho, most communizers are into value form theory which doesn't characterize capitalism as a system of personal domination but rather as a system of impersonal domination.

Oh, yes. Almost forgot.

People were asking for you, I think:

you're a hopeless optimist if you believe that this is anything besides larping. Nobody's going to stop them, it's just that I think they could be spending their time doing much more important things than running a pseudo-international from an online imageboard. Reading stuff, for example.
Instead of putting their precious time into this they could read all three volumes of Capital or Marx's Grundrisse or Lenin's State and Revolution or some more contemporary things like value-form-theory or Wertkritik or…etc etc etc.

I'm to intelligent to read marx. I only read books by people who have had jobs.

waste of trips imo
I've already read most of grundrisse and some of Capital, and I was the one who kept bringing up guys like Bukharin, Ernst Mandel, etc. The singular problem lies with the market: there are no spaces where people can refuse the market relation. It dominates the whole of society and it demands more and more to revitalize and reproduce it.

The point is that it cannot commodify that which is free and self-reproducing, so it does its utmost to destroy it or proscribe it through law. Right now that particular relation of production that I am advocating through these communes is too small and too localized to mean anything. Once we grow bigger, we will extend this far across different franchises where our inventory is accessible from wherever our affiliates are; once we get there where we can actually provide our needs mutually without any need to enter into the market to procure them, that's when our relations will have stabilized and made non-precarious; so long as we are able to do this, we can work out the steps to get there.

Post it.

Fuck, the underlying judeo-islamism embedded will too easily be recognized by the cattle gentiles.

fuck off with your jew larping back to Holla Forums

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Add me up, comrades

sorry I rejected someone by accident, my ID is
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I have never dropped something this hard&fast.

What's your problem? We know what needs to be done, and we know that sclerotic centralized bureaucracies are a hobble to real revolutionary perspectives, nothing more. Stop pretending like a centralized institution is the thing to do where it won't get infiltrated and co-opted by Capital.

I've asked this before, but is anyone going to be in DC for Trump's inauguration?
We should coordinate something obvious for us to wear to recognize fellow comrades, I'm thinking of getting an ancom pin to stand out from the alt-right crowd

I highly doubt you will find anyone from here, there's going to be hundreds if not thousands of people there

That's the point dumbass, the idea is to advertise our forum to more normies not hunt down people that already come here. That user's asking people here if they want to join it.

His problem is that he's a shitposter who will change his positions from tankiefash to liberal depending on who he's trying to irritate.

You're actually a pretty good example of everything organizations like us and the ISO have to stand against. It's nice you and I have time to read 800 page economic tones that you can condense into like five sentences but the people who socialism can help the most do not.

You are a fucking faggot. You apparently think manifestos are easy to write and if you can't get it done in one meeting you're not worth talking to or something.
Hopefully at least, this will be nothing like the ISSU because it aspired to far too much far too quickly. Our very-short term goals and short-term goals are fairly simple, we just want to spread word about ourselves and what we believe.
I can't believe you just unironically compared a selection of populist/collectivist passages from holy literature to hate propaganda. Actually I can.

This man might be worth responding t-
And it's gone.

that second comic actually makes a great point though

I would sure hope so. We wouldn't make any attempts to absorb these other groups unless we actually dwarfed all of them put together somehow, we don't want to become a united front because none of the sectarians join and the front becomes another sect. What I proposed in the other thread is filling a slightly different role. Instead of asking lowlifes to picket random crap like Donald Trump's nomination that won't do anything we can be more passive (and effective).

The difference between those losers and us is that we aren't about protesting. We're about actually organizing socialism in action. And protesting.

It don't real
Who even is this nobody Youtuber?

I'd say the same but I have my book and Puerto Rico to worry about.

Yes. We're going to discuss the name again at the next meeting since it's drawn some controversy already, but I want to keep the discussion on more important things, such as the manifesto, so we're going to keep it short and civil. Ultimately, I think the most fitting name will reveal itself as the organization matures.

Another busy day for me today, comrades, but I have most of tomorrow to do nothing but work on the manifesto. Anyone who wants to shoot some input my way hop on the Tox or Riot, or reply to this post.

bump

This thread is proof that leftcom is a useless term. Council Communism, Bordiga, and Communization can't really have much in common, if whenever somebody claims to be a leftcom, they immediately have to clarify how they are strongly against this or that aspect of their leftcom "bros", e.g. whether they think a fundamental change of society can happen through spontaneous decentralized communes of people just doing shit for free or something like that or whether it has to be a very concentrated big scale effort.

That's like living under slavery and saying

Read this: 8ch.net/freedu/res/914.html

im going

It can feel nice planning things yourself, doing these things with your hands, giving things to people with names. A small-scale food producer told me about her experience. She said it makes some difference in her quality of life that they know they know their customers and regularly chat with them a bit, and that, while working, they can visualize them sitting at a table and stuffing the vegetables in their happy faces. But I wouldn't call that a revolution.

Growing your own food and managing your own energy sources can be a neat experience, but smale scale production is usually less efficient than big scale and shouldn't be fetishized. Smale-scale experiments are usually small because of a lack of mass support, not because small is good.

>it's going to be how much you can make for yourself or scavenge for almost free
Fetishizing dumpster-diving is so obviously silly, it's like something Bordiga would have invented if he had been a PR wiz, it's like the first thing that makes people turn away from life-stylism.

A guy in junge Welt asked a simple question: "Remember the last time you bought a ballpoint pen?" I don't know where you live, but in Germany people get these things as gifts all the time, from companies that put their names on them. So everybody has ballpoint pens with the names of banks, vegetarian online shops, health-insurance companies, etc. And you don't necessarily have pens from companies you have interacted with yourself, as people are quickly to give you one when you need it, and they often don't give a poop about getting it back. If you measure scarcity in ballpoint pens, we live in post-scarcity paradise here. The guy's point was this: None of that means that the places where ballpoint pens are produced aren't capitalist. Producing your own food and energy is one thing. Creative recycling, second-hand charity shops, dumpster-diving are just coping strategies that rely on capitalist production, they do not bring us closer to socialism, and I say that as somebody who isn't a purity autist dismissing any work in parties, unions, and co-ops.

Writing manifestos might not be easy, but you can't invite everyone for no reason other than to "write manifesto" and expect to have some joint statement that makes sense.

Is this manifesto promoting World Revolution? Or a socialist reforms? You don't even know yourself.

Yeah. Basically, you have nothing to contribute - since you don't even know what you "believe in" - but you still want attention.

> If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. they must be put to death;

What are you even trying to say here? We're having a group discussion so that we can gather ideas to turn into a coherent whole, we're not taking turns writing the manifesto sentence by sentence fucking round-robin style.

It's promoting struggle against capitalism on all fronts. Since every ideology has different ideas about the best method for bringing about socialism, promoting one method as the one true path to socialism is useless. Instead, our focus is on empowering workers and activists through education and secure communication platforms to struggle against capitalism in the way that best complements their background, skill set, location, philosophy, etc., with a focus on practical action. It's promoting solidarity, non-interference and communication so that rather than every methodology acting as an independent, isolated struggle, they work in unison to become a global, unified struggle against capitalism. It's about a focus on the working class and class consciousness over identity politics and academia, presenting our ideas in a way that is accessible and relevant to average, working class people in order to get them involved and supporting the socialist cause.

There are already zillions of sites promoting socialism, as with other political ideas. What about doing other things than writing text. If it's an internet meeting with a couple people from various continents participating, it can't be a union, it can't be a party, it can't be anything else that requires people sharing some real-world space, and it doesn't need to be yet another blog, so what else can it be than a software-making project?

We believe in a socialist government and the people divorcing themselves from capitalism by any means necessary. We don't need to say we have Leninist strategies for destabilizing capitalism or favor communalism or whatever stupid bullshit because we can work towards all of it at once and adapt, putting our resources where they're most efficient. We don't see a reason to wed ourselves to an -ism that claims to be the best way to destabilize capitalism (and certainly not worry about after the revolution), because -isms are ideas, and not an end in their own right.

You think like a bourgeois politician. You can't put your ideological purity above rational decision making. You think "what would Stalin do?" (a question that can't be answered definitively) instead of "what would be the least retarded thing to do?"
Also:
You officially just proved yourself the worst prominent user on here, and Tru-Dank, that one Black Nationalist, Satan-Chan, Criollito, and Space_ all use this board.
What do tankies, trots, and leftcoms have in common? They are all too sectarian to get anything done. I recommend suicide for all of you.

Here's why we're different:
It's called International Solidarity for a reason, it's an international. I assume down the line it's going to play some roles of both a union and a party, probably depending on the member organization.
Unlike traditional political parties and unlike fringe sectarian political parties, we don't have a holistic agenda to push. I myself am confident that truly understanding socialism leads to developing an opinion on just about everything else, but other people don't get this. The existing socialist parties being so hard-line about everything from gay marriage to the environment is a major turnoff for people who would otherwise even agree with them if given a chance to understand.
But unlike a union, we won't devote ourselves solely to the conditions of the worker because well firstly the IWW doesn't have any problems I know of and secondly our objectives are more far reaching than even the UFW's because unions don't usually do enough to separate themselves from capitalism.
Ultimately I think we'll most closely resemble a non-profit.

Shit I forgot the rest of my bullet points.
You get the idea though, we're different because we're not really trying to promote an agenda as much as an idea, we focus more on almost insurrectionary anarchist ideas about ending one's dependency on capitalism to wean it, etc.

Mafiseto, "a coherent whole", is a creed. Organization presents it as a statement of shared interpretations, opinions, intentions, and ideas. It's a condensed ideology.

It makes no sense for different ideologies to share manifesto. They do not share the same interpretations, opinions, intentions, and ideas. Often they even speak different languages.

For orthodox Marxists (and some AnCom) abolition of Capitalism is abolition of private property on means of production. It is done through taking over and empowering state (DotP), and by repressing individuals (Capitalists and Petit-Bourgeoisie).

For orthodox Anarchists (and some Revisionist Marxists) Capitalism means Hierarchy. Abolition of Capitalism is often interpreted as abolition of division of Labour. It is done through decreasing power of state and empowering individuals (workers).

Both the meaning of the words and the goals are opposite.

As an example: struggle against Capitalism for Wolffists (essentially, Anarchist Reformists; borderline AnCap) would include fight against USSR and support of Free Market - USSR is Capitalist in their books and free trade is a basic freedom, human right. Abolishing Hierarchy is more important than ensuring basic economic rights.

Both the meaning of the words and the goals are opposite to the ML.

And this is not limited to ML/Wolff. It happens everywhere.

Which is why non-sectarian inter-ideological cooperation is possible only via practice. Decisions about specific things.

Do we support freedom of speech?
=> Do we support secure communications and shift to *nix systems?
=> => Do we support use of Windows viruses that will damage computers? [Yes or No]
=> => Do we collect money for crypto-communication applications that can be used to coordinate islamic terrorist activities? [Yes or No]
=> => Do we popularize use of secure file-sharing that could be used to share kiddie porn safely? [Yes or No]

Do we support abolition of patent law?
=> Do we support piracy?
=> => Do we collect money to support specific site with pirated books? [Yes or No]
=> Do we support activity against anti-piracy activists?
=> => Do we help sharing private information on anti-piracy activists so they could be harrased and attacked IRL? [Yes or No]

It's not a question of determining One True Path.
It's about choosing which path will be followed.

Yes. If you move in the wrong direction you will not get from the point A to the point B. But you will certainly not get anywhere, if you try to move in all directions simultaneously.

That you are trying to gather some supporters for your ideas, but refuse to disclose them, forcing people that do not agree with you to waste time. Moreover, you are doing it in such a roundabout way, even people that agree with you will have a hard time working with you.

Basically, you are wasting everyone's time.

That's to teach people that they themselves can reach a meaningful level of autonomy that is self-sufficient and even comfortable with enough repurposed technology that they themselves control. It gives people revolutionary perspectives on their daily lives, and it grows from person to person as it is shared; the seeds are planted in their minds as they see the benefits of such a lifestyle, speaking of which:
Dumpster diving can oddly be a rewarding experience, and at the same time it weeds out the people who can't deal with some minor discomfort. You don't literally dive in, you can dig around with a stick and even find working, or in need of minor repair, last-gen computers, phones, laptops, appliances, building materials that can be reconditioned with the right tools, and even tools themselves sometimes.
Exactly: that's the level of ubiquity we want for small, localized means of production, be it small-scale permaculture, urban agriculture, manufacturing, decentralized planning and communication. 3D printers and torrentable model files were the first step in this direction.

That's what we are hoping to build with our front, for the seizure of the means of production through growing and developing them outside the logic of capitalism; permaculture, gift economy, and other ideas like it

This vid is from when VICE was still good: youtube.com/watch?v=iIOZ_aMrKos

Listen to the old dude and think about what he is doing. We lose our culture as workers when our means and knowledge are alienated from us; as well as large enterprises getting in the way of themselves when attempting to develop new technology like fusion. It can be done, it just takes some work.

Ouch. Fine ill look into it.

Do any of you have the ability, time, and inclination to write programs for discussion structuring, polling, democratic resource management? Is there interest in developing a kind of software a group of ten to fifty people could use to run and structure a meeting, or to develop software a co-op would use for deciding who does what and what and when and with whom and what the renumeration is?

shit already exists, probably on github somewhere. We can always add capabilities to it

8ch.net/freedu/res/914.html#q1168
Where does this exist?

I know with New Year's everyone is probably busy, sleeping or hungover, but anyone who's up and not otherwise occupied, hop in the chat for some discussion on the manifesto. riot.im/app/#/room/#leftypol:matrix.org

I'm not ignoring this post, I'll address it after the chat / when I'm free.

riot.im uses google analytics.

I don't know how to code, but I've always meant to learn especially since I'm going to be an electrical engineer. I'd definitely love to develop open source business software, as companies developing close sourced vital niche business software are strangling businesses of all sizes and charging ridiculous prices for them.

what do we fucking do then? wait for capitalism to destroy itself?

he'll post a GMiL comic and tell you the revolution happens from his tiny reading group where they learn the one true leftism with cultlike devotion.

kekko

basicoolly

Dude capitalism is private property and hierarchy, we need to get rid of both, and if you think we are going to have to decide in between abolishing the state and retaining it you have too narrow of an idea of how socialism can be achieved. We are starting from the ground up (sounding like Bernie here), not from the top down. We're going to encourage people to support cooperatives and join unions like the IWW and vote for people like Bernie. If we ever have enough power to attempt to throw over the state and actually do so we can have a conversation about it when we make the decision to.

codecademy is neat

and free! yay communism

Ironically, yes.

Marx knew that accumulative growth in a market system is an unstable phenomenon that gives rise to a proletariat class, and that first means alienated property, and then means alienated labor, and lots of it for reinvestment into business.

Hayek, for all his ideology, got one thing right: business cycle theory, stating that capitalist booms and busts are cyclical in nature. He did not account for how far the cycles would swing, however.

Combine the two: as crystallized labor is reinvested into business, it would sooner or later run out of profits to crystallize as effective demand collapses. Market capitalism has only periodically been artificially pumped up through the expansion of the personal credit system and the financial sector, in particular bonds and insurance.

As capitalist businesses demand profits and market churn, in aggregate, to prop up growth, they start to eat themselves. Commodities and even older, still serviceable means of production are sold at cut rates to anybody just to pay off debts. This is our opportunity to seize them, but more importantly, to capture them away from capitalists and the logic of the market.

As we grow our network of our own means of subsistence, things like food, water, clothes, shelter, power, manufacturing, communication and defense, as well as the means to automate their reproduction, distribution, transport, and their political organization become cheaper and more accessible to the individual members. They will have a real voice that carries weight in the decision making, and there will be no war necessary in order to force a hierarchy like there was in the Soviet Union. The Capitalists are running a type of New Economic Policy for us, and all we have to do is catch the gold as it falls when the capitalists smash each other to pieces in search of profit: it consumes them to the point of failure, and at some point, they have to admit that for all the backroom deals, the anti-competitive practices and political support, they will shred each other for the very last buck. It is capital's desire for profit that makes it self-immolate like this.

We are counting on that.

We are going to make the cooperatives and unions. Believe me, we have the capacity, all we need is the pressure and time.

Yeah, I meant that too.

It's closed source but ehhh beggars can't be choosers. I already even have it bookmarked.

Well, I think you're right. It's just hard to say "capitalism will fall any day now" when saying that makes you the object of ridicule from propertarians
But looking at the actual data (growth, trade, debt etc) things look dire for capitalism, so we'll all be watching closely

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Thank you for checking muh dubs, man.

The object is to work at it little by little until we have a minimum viable affinity group in terms of means of support, then keep replicating it and connect it to the whole network. Each group will meet basic needs and provide supplies and support to the other parts of the network. It is possible.

10/10

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Stalinism/ML wrecked the USSR because they couldn't follow heir own rules. They were right about having to follow dialectical materialism, they simply didn't do it.

Lenin mistook imperialism for a capitalist crisis. His forced grain requisitions starved a once-prosperous country. Stalin, due to political and practical disagreements with Bukharin, had him killed over the New Economic Policy, which was the only thing patching the USSR together.

There is one thing you are missing: though we may abolish capitalist modes of production, we will probably never fully abolish market exchanges due to their decentralized nature. We can minimize them to be sure, through automated zero marginal cost production and distribution, but that doesn't mean they will disappear from the margins of economy. That is their proper place as methods of discovery: it is the hoarding of economic information and privatization of means of production that causes injustice at large.

The truth is, there is no One True Path. Right now we discover the appropriate course of action at the margins of economy through market exchange and publishing this information to the rest of the economy in real time. Granted, this is a huge rigamarole, and thus, much of it can be simplified, automated and decentralized. Obviation of the market of basic necessities and the odd luxury through seizure of means of production: that's the real key: self-procurement of resources, where we don't need to buy them.

The Great Depression taught the United States the value of subsidy of farms through all sorts of deals like purchases of surplus, subsidy of R&D, etc. This shows how an ostensible free market is really just subsidized: all we have to do is show how it is a lie by engaging the procurement of such subsidized goods ourselves and starving the market and swamping the subsidy system ourselves. That's a really good start. Think of something next

So are there programmers in the group or not?

socdem y anfem en mi idioma.

Did you read my post? One is causing another. You can't eliminate consequences, until you get rid of the cause. However, people do not agree what the cause is and demand completely different things.

It's not narrow. There simply isn't any other way to get things done. None I'm aware of, at least.

I'm open to suggestions on how socialism can be achieved - I even made a thread to see what alternatives are being suggested ( ), but results are uninspiring, to say the least.

From the 18th century.

Excluding Marxists doesn't solve anything. Anarchists and SocDem don't see eye to eye as well. You'll have to keep removing radical elements, until you get wishy-washyness of regular SocDem party. Except, you know, without actual party. I.e. you aren't getting even benefits of large organization.

But it is a huge progress to have someone ballsy enough to actually say what he wants out loud. Cheers.

Why people think Bolsheviks took over by force? Was there some Hollywood movie with ninja-Communists battling it out with Capitalist hordes, until ninja-Lenin triumphantly waves red flag atop a pile of corpses?

It's not about "having enough power". Communists are administrators first, philosophers second. They are not soldiers, not even military commanders.

Much more importantly, Bolsheviks (well, Russian Labor Party - they split into Bolsheviks and Mensheviks later) had a conversation "about it" it 1903, when they were deciding their party program (I strongly recommend reading their protocols, bts). This is why they could take over in 1917. Not because they got their hand on an army of shaolin monks.

What does any of this have to do with my post?

What do you want exactly?

This:
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You don't need coders. What you need is people who know how to "structure discussions" and "manage resources democratically". Only when you can properly define those things, will there be a reason to ask for coders (webdesigners, probably; there is a lot of ready-made solutions out there) to implement stuff.

For example, reddit is an attempt at "discussion structuring". Not particularly successful, yes. But if you don't like it, you should have a very good idea of how your "proper structuring" would be different from it.

You don't need coders.
I do.
>webdesigners, probably; there is a there is a lot of ready-made solutions out there
No. You apparently haven't looked yet at what was said towards the end of the linked thread:
>>>/freedu/914

The existing voting systems out there are of the form

Resource-managing software is of the form

Using the output of such a voting program as an input for a management program doesn't work well. To work well it has to be a unified process.

docs.google.com/document/d/1Wi3kIlpV6HkW3ijgJTSLlIkKJT9eXSks233M2eczBkY/edit?usp=sharing

Draft of the manifesto I've been working on. Anyone can comment.

Can you post it here?

People agree that the cause of capitalism is the capitalist's power over us, which is what we aim to fix.

Anarchists have talked for a long time about effectively replacing the state and capital. If you cut off your reliance on them you cut off their control. The only thing left is to grab some guns and squat on whatever tract of land you want.

We're not excluding Orthodox Marxists or MLs. Just because we're not adopting for example democratic centralism within our organization for the time being doesn't mean we're trying to kick them out or even opposed to their ideas, we're just not using them yet. There by definition won't be socdems in our organization because socdems (most of them) don't actually promote socialism, so that's not going to be a concern.

I still think it's too early to decide on what we're going to do after the revolution. That's not the same as preparing for one, which we totally should do.

Really, we just have a philosophy about crossing bridges when we get to them and not along the lines of what our favorite authors would say. This is important because if we go part ways in and find it to be a mess we can go back without having to employ revisionism or whatever.

Lol it's not going to spy on you and it'll probably be in the next OP anyway if you still don't want to click on it. I'm using Gdocs because it's collaborative commenting. I could put it into a ghostbin if you so desire.

plz

OK but it'll probably be missing some stuff that'll be in the Gdoc since you can't edit them. This is really just the intro right now.
ghostbin.com/paste/6zzdk

It's okay, except:
Tenets. And everyman already means the average ordinary guys, doesn't it, so isn't saying everymen like saying ordinary guyses? Kinda convoluted sentence in general.

Even with the global market collapsing about every eight years, the trouble is always attributed to circumstances external to "real" capitalism.

It is under capitalism, with its private ownership of land (that more often than not was stolen at some point along its chain of ownership, making that ownership illegitimate even by capitalism's own standard), that housing bubbles are something to worry about.

youtube.com/watch?v=WboggjN_G-4

Great, thanks

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give this another bump.

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You've already used this one criollito

Make the library into several folders instead of just a zip. It will make it easier to update for both of us.

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not your personal army

That's only half the story. The other part is that there is pressure in the system for people to act the way they do, this pressure exists for the capitalists as well. You have to act like you are greedy even when you are not as a sort of self-defense, which on the macro level adds a little bit to the aggressiveness of the system as a whole, which people have to defend themselves against, and so on.

Procedures for voting and accounting have to be consciously designed in a different way to prevent this.

Bump.

You made me sad friend.
Roit is web based Jabber. Theres servers that control users.
Use Tox. No gods, no masters, no servers, no admins!

Example for what I mean by this: A commune has income sharing. Aside from meeting and discussing in case somebody claims to need a huge amount for an emergency situation, there is a generic egalitarian way it is shared: everybody getting the same.

They used to have another way of dealing with the generic non-emergency allocation with people writing down how much they want, and the allocation rule was this: If the aggregate is too high by some factor, shrink every amount by that same factor (e.g. if the aggregate is 1.3 of the total amount available, you divide every individual amount by 1.3). This suffered from defensive exaggeration, by which I mean stating a higher amount than the one you actually are okay with in order to get an amount closer to what you really wish for post-shrinkage.

People anticipated that shrinking made an exaggerated wish, while also anticipating that others would exaggerate, and so on, it was an exaggeration spriral.

Is there a counting rule that takes information into account how much people want, that is otherwise egalitarian (people who want a proportional share get just that & people who state the same get the same) and that is not vulnerable to this defensive exaggeration?

This is not an open question. I know the solution. Just want to know whether there is interest in that kind of thing.

This one as well

I agree with all of this.

I'm not sure I follow you but Ranked Choice Voting is widely recognized to be far more fair than one person one vote.

The puzzle isn't about ranked ballots. There are multiple units of one thing to distribute - that thing could be shared income, could also be cookies, whatever - people write down how many units they individually would like to get. The aggregate of these wishes can be higher than what is actually there to distribute.

The puzzle is: What formula do you use so that people are not under pressure to make strategic statements different from the amount they actually want? I don't make an assumption that everyone must have the attitude to get as much as possible for themselves, and fuck everybody else. An individual has some amount in mind that they would be happy with, which for some might be even smaller than the proportional share (aggregate amount divided by number of people). I want that I can directly honestly state the amount I wish to get without regretting later that I had not exaggerated. Stated more formally: The probability of obtaining an amount at least as high as the one that I wish for shouldn't increase by stating a higher amount than the actual wish. That is what being free of defensive exaggeration means.

And don't forget about the other two criteria: that people who want a proportional share get just that and that people who state the same are treated the same.

Well in that case it depends on what the larger framework looks like. The first step is to guarantee food, housing, health care, transportation, internet, and education to all citizens free of cost. After that further problems would become more apparent when the framework is put in place and can be addressed accordingly.

You can just change the distribution formula.

I didn't. Shame on me. Still didn't. Might do later.

Eh… What should this management program look like? You receive orders non-hierarchically assigned tasks from Friend Computer?

But we do not. I do not. Marxists do not.

The cause of Capitalism are the material conditions: division of labour gives rise to managerial abuse, while limited amount of MoP requires state for society to function. Unmanaged, those circumstances create Capitalism - i.e. Capitalist socio-economic relations.

As a result of a Capitalist socio-economic relations society divides itself into Proletariat and Capitalists. That's how Capitalists emerge. Only then do they subjugate state to their whims and gain "Capitalist power".

Capitalist power is a consequence of Capitalism, not a cause. Therefore, to get rid of Capitalism, we need to remove those Capitalist socio-economic relations (private property). To manage state and production socially. That's the only way.

You are talking about cutting off reliance on industrial civilization.

That's going Amish. I strongly suspect most Anarchists are not going to support this. And I'm not even going to explain how "squatting with some guns" is going to work out IRL against an army. I'll just point to Paris Commune.

Listen to yourself.

But I'm not sure we have the same understanding of Socialism. Amish are hardly Socialist.

Success of Marxists is primarily based on them deciding what to do over 170 years ago. There also was my thread about Anarchists not having goals and what this means, but it got deleted.

My point is that you are already on the bridge. You don't create an organization of "something" and then say that you'll decide whether you'll be a fire brigade or a library when you "get to it".

This might be a dumb question that has been asked many times before, but how the fuck do i know this isn't one giant Holla Forums honeypot?

This is easier to do when you have a very finely detailed plan.

Take food as an example: during WW2, the USDA organized and estimated that the average working American needs around 2000 to 2200 calories per day in a ratio to maintain a healthy weight and work efficiently (abstracting away micronutrients like vitamins and minerals): that's around 4-5 pounds of food a day depending on individual content.

1percentedge.com/ifcalc/

There are online weight loss calculators like the one right above that double as meal planning services, and if you do a little more math and adjust a little higher given established heuristics involving things like potential droughts, sickness, or new people coming in, you will mitigate most food problems if not eliminate them. Farming almanacs are all helpful in this regard.

Same goes for things like water, medicine, manufactured goods, etc. It's all about maintaining tight daily inventory control and established practices, and then tweaking them to appropriate needs as we go along. No problems.

Start low and go slow. Let's see if we can do that for 10-15 people, then progressively add more communes to our network where we grow at some given milestone like per year until we reach like a couple thousand. It's doable, but slowly.

Wat would you think they would try to do, honestly? Meme us to death?

IT IS A LOGIC PUZZLE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH what's so hard to understand about that?

Forget about your hyper-holistic we-are-going-to-have-a-world-wide-revolution-and-attitudes-will-change-and-so-on answer. It's a simple puzzle. Suppose you have several units of some quickly-perishing snack to distribute among a bunch of people. Doing it for free. You ask each to state how many units they individually want.

I wish for a certain amount, if I get a lower amount than the one I wish for, I want that amount to be as close to that number as possible. If I get an amount exceeding my wish amount, I just throw the extra stuff in the trash. I will be slightly less happy getting an amount higher than the wish amount, but I prefer any exceeding amount to any amount below the wish amount.

Suppose your allocation rule for dealing with excess demand is the proportional shrinking rule as in , so that if Alice demands three times as much as Bob, these proportions will still hold after shrinking. In that case, I will state an exaggerated wish. If I get more than what I truly wish for, I will throw all that extra stuff in the trash, while there are possibly honest people out there getting less than what they wish for.

You don't need to monitor my trash can. You just need another allocation rule.

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Can't wait for the manifesto

Do you guys have a wiki?

Nobody's asking for your personal information.

Tomorrow. 2PM EST. Manifesto discussion. Set a reminder, comrades. riot.im/app/#/room/#leftypol:matrix.org

I agree with you, I promise. user was talking about distribution problems in a society that is not post-scarcity but is fully communized and so I responded in that context.

Ask for our personal information and then post it online. Also just false-flagging COINTELPRO type things in general.

But they're not that smart. If they were they wouldn't be fascists.

Oh hang it, I'm literally the only tripfag other than OP who doesn't really count.

I think it's been talked about but that's pretty long-term.

You're playing semantics.
Not entirely cut off, at least at first. It's gradual. We do need industry.
*using them presently, which is where the crux of our misunderstanding lies. We can certainly try centralism, but if it doesn't work for us or people don't like it we'll try something else.

naysayers are implants from Holla Forums and other such places to make us doubt ourselves

I only trip in this thread, to prevent impersonation. Most of the other posters / supporters aren't trips either.

Two and a half hours until blastoff. riot.im/app/#/room/#leftypol:matrix.org

Less than one hour to go. Don't let the revolution leave you behind, comrades! riot.im/app/#/room/#leftypol:matrix.org

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Nope. But I can't prove it, unless you say what makes you think this. Convenient, huh?

Your reliance on industry is not going to go away. Not suddenly, nor gradually.

You will either remain part of the Capitalist economy or you'll go Amish.

Really?

SocDem has been saying this very same thing since 19th century. Apparently, it's still "working". Even after fall of 2nd International and WWI, after rise of Fascism in 1930s and WWII, even after the inglorious subjugation of Left movements by the SocDem (people rediscovered - for the umpteenth time - the "great idea" of changing SocDem from within) post-WWII, and so on, and so forth.

It's hasn't been a year since Bernie, and barely two since Syriza, but people still go on with the same thing.

So - how are you going to determine, if it doesn't work out? Do we need to wait until 23rd century?

It's been a week and I'm checking this thread mostly because of this. Not because of the most "convincing" argumentation I see here, if there is any doubt.

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You said consequence, I said cause.

Of course we will, for a while. The idea is to replace packaged goods with locally bought produce from small businesses, things you absolutely must buy from a megacorp from megacorp B which is less evil than megacorp A (unilever is a good example of a B), eating at the local pizzeria instead of PepsiHut, hydroponics at home, and so on. Of course it's almost insignificant at first, but gradually people will start cooperatives to buy from instead, and it's more about keeping anti-capitalism in people's day-to-day lives and doing the most they can.

You're confusing parties described as Social Democrat with actual social democrats. Parties have multiple factions inside them. The Democratic Party in the United States could be described as social-democratic in policy, but not in ideology. It's like that. Usually the parties in the Socialist International or another similar organization are pretty Marxist beneath the surface or could be brought back to it fairly easily. There's no real difference between "real" social-democracy and Fabian socialism.

But to your point. The reason SocDems don't openly push for what we push for is because they are very peacespooked and also because they would lose their support instantly due to Overton Window.

It's not "semantics". There is a difference. You can't put out fire if somebody is walking around the house and sprinkling everything with gasoline.

What will you "will, for a while"? Go Amish?

It was a non-option even during 19th century.

This is retarded. I may explain it later, but right now I'm not drunk so as to be able to painlessly argue this level of dumb.

They will not. You provide more expensive goods with less quality. You also pay less to your workers.

What you suggest is a fucking sect.

I am not going to comment on this either.

The question is how the party - as a whole - behaves. SocDem parties are a huge amorphous mass that doesn't actually do anything, because - as a whole - it cannot be radical. It doesn't have one ideology, one discourse. And people have to default to the common denominator - which is bourgeois discourse. I.e. Liberalism.

I missed the chat, so maybe this post is redundant.

The live of small business facing anonymous customers is a very volatile thing. Sometimes you have luck, sometimes you are screwed, and when getting screwed happens two or three times in a row, Game Over. And that has nothing to do with your work ethic and quality of your product. I know of some small veggie suppliers in Germany and the only way they can make it work is by having less random consumers. That is, people have a subscription to the service where they regularly get their veggies. There are also some small shops that have lower prices if you are a member who pays a monthly fee or something like that. When the number of customers is small it is really important to actively work at making the demand pattern less random, and you do that with a subscription service. I repeat myself as I cannot emphasize this enough.

The other thing is that in 99.99 % of cases you can't beat the big players with price, so you have to differentiate your product. In Germany that is all about green and local production, with arguments that seem to work to lure in customers, but how much they relate to reality is another thing (I find them very dubious, as small-scale production usually needs more energy per unit produced).

And of course you should avoid being anonymous, by being personal and remembering a couple things about your customers, this deemphasizes money, customers will see you less as a tool that is powered by putting money into it and likewise when you do your work, you won't just think about the money you get, but the people you help, which makes it a bit better. Likewise with getting workers, you have to lure them in with something else aside from money, which you probably don't have tons of to begin with, and that is, how you relate to each other and how much control people have over their job.

It is both a cause and a consequence. It is a consequence that feeds itself.

Be reliant on capitalism still.

Which is why we can't and won't go all the way right away.

"Hurr durr no ethical consumption", heard it before.

Quality doesn't actually matter if it gets the job done the same. Pepsi is pretty much just better than Coke, guess which is more popular?

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That's literally what I was saying

Summary of what was said in the last chat?

x: like, totally check it ot fam!
y: re:g: idk
z: what's the topic again?
w: LOL OMG
d: plz someone follow me on twitter, gais

I couldn't be there, was my draft discussed?

The tone and direction of the manifesto was discussed, as well as how it should continue. Some plans were made for internet and IRL recruiting once the manifesto is complete to our satisfaction and posted on the site. This included recruiting at Trump's inauguration, establishing a social media presence, and designing propaganda posters with QR codes to be put on the site for people to print out and distribute. How to improve the current logo was also discussed, as I'm having an artist work on a better version for before the inauguration. We also did a little discussion on creating a leftist wiki, but right now priority is getting the manifesto completed and an improved logo finished before the 20th.

Yes, it was discussed. A few people had some gripes about the tone and writing style (too many adverbs etc.) but the overall impression was positive.

Good thread bump 3

Nice flag tbh famlam

If the logo has to include a representation of all continents, I hope you don't use something like the Mercator projection where everything in the Southern hemisphere looks tiny (Greenland looks bigger than Australia). Gall-Peters is the other extreme where all the size data is correct, but Africa looks really weird and lanky (nice idea, but implementation is fugly is what I'm saying). It's mathematically impossible to get both relative sizes and the shapes absolutely accurate when representing the globe on a flat surface.

So, check these out:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_map_projections
I like the ones by Cahilll and Waterman. They aren't strongly wrong about anything.

I like the butterfly shape, but it would require a modification of the current design. Ultimately, I'm probably going to leave design decisions up to the artist's discretion for now, and make any changes based on feedback in the thread.

I'll do an update for the /freedu/ thread on the weekend, among other things I'll describe the formula for solving

The scope of the movement need to be expanded

Like what? Marxist film-noir analysis?

Bump. Apologize for not being very active / available lately, most of my time right now is taken up by school until I can get on top of my courses. Things should return back to a more regular pace by the end of next week.

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Does anybody actually like scanning QR codes? It's just like clicking on a link that directly sends you to somewhere else without you knowing whether it's gonna be the site of the revolutionary party or the lemon party.

The idea is that the less effort needed to visit the site, the more people are likely to actually do it. But there's no harm in having the URL for people who prefer accessing it that way as well.

How's everybody doing? I've been busy playing vidya and doing other things lately

A good idea is to surreptitiously add stickers over unrelated posters, over the top of their existing QR code or even if they didn't have one, so the link takes you to Holla Forums it'll be like wolffgate x1000

Done.