/r/socialism pwns the Roo

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I never thought I'd say this but - /r/socialism finally did something right for once.

Of course, Unruhe blames his defeat on an "assault". Good for him to reveal his utter ignorance.

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damn…i'm not going to waste that much time listening to idiots debating.

Ok yeah he lost good on them.

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Norn Iron girl sounds qt


pretty based tbh.

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Am I dumb for thinking she was Scottish?

nah, it's a mix of Irish and Scottish accents (Ulster-Scots) so it's normal

Her voice did it for me but the smug giggles were a bit much. Even if qt af.

How bad is Jasons theory and his points? I can't really tell. I see where he's coming from but I'm not sure I agree.

Jason is conflating A LOT of things.

Same. Mixes up class and nation a lot.

He's definitely right about welfare and buying off workers though imo

Agreed but he's totally wrong to assume economic conditions are the only thing that matter in revolution.

this is what the majority of Holla Forums believes though

More than the debate, I'm disgusted to hear the voices of /r/socialism users. These are the voices of those who have sabotaged the outreach potential of the left on reddit. Fuck these people.

they sounded pretty normal tbh.

That makes it twice as disgusting.

The girl sounded qt

I really think that nerdy white boys should be banned from all socialist organizations. All they do is ruin everything with their deeply seated liberal attitudes.

Don't allow yourself to be seduced by cuteness or apparent normality. You know what these people have done to what could have been a powerful tool for the dissemination of socialist ideas.

Fuck off Holla Forums.

and most leftyplebs are dumb about it too

oy vey i'm a nerdy white boy but im not a libshit

Just got to the part where he calls Portugal "second world"

that's objectively wrong, it's first world - US/NATO/EU aligned.

Yeah your most likely right

what else would you say is important, Satan?


>>>/reddit/

unified lower classes

Who could have seen it coming?

Ideology, culture, revolutionary leadership, etc.

lel, the truth comes out

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Maoists are usually stealth reactionaries. This should not have been a surprise to anyone.

What does that have to do with what I was saying?

Tasty sandwich

Friendly reminder that he BTFO'd Xexizy
youtube.com/watch?v=adGyjcKjT5M

is he /our guy/?

To the extent that he triggers reddit libs, yes.

Spooks may be spooks but they DO matter.

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Kill yourself faggot

fuck /r/socialism

fucking clubhouse mentality, man

childish

Jason's arguments are highly fallacious though. He claims revolutionary potential doesn't exist within the imperialist countries because attempts at revolution aren't actively being made here, yet insists revolution can happen in the third world because third world peoples are allegedly participating in revolution. Except for the fact that third worlders are NOT fighting for socialism - when they do fight, they almost always fight along ethnic or religious separatist lines.

sure, but they weren't arguing third worldism as a whole in that case. in that case he was making the argument that aggression by imperialist agents against a revolutionary cell operating within a slum would inspire mass resistance, because military measures would cause massive civilian casualties as a result of population density. he didn't make the point the well, but anybody could understand what he was saying. then the /r/socialist clubhouse dismissed his point and turned to the group for a cuddle. weak.

I see your point but I doubt Unruhe knows all that much about urban warfare. A lot of what he said during the debate seemed like bold statements backed up by assumptions.

How did he get destroyed?

They asked him a question, he responded and then they just basically said "uh you're so ridiculous" and threw fallacy after fallacy at him.

Listen to his fucking arguments? You need the masses behind you which is something that would not happen in the first world because there isn't an incentive.

Do I even need to address this?

Numbers don't mean shit when you are fighting for bourgeois nationalism.

You think they do? They completely ignore history and facts then say only us has more money.

don't get me wrong, i'm not saying jason is good at presenting his point. listening to this, i sometimes wish i could make his point for him, because i know what he's trying to say but he's just not doing a great job of it. but what i'm annoyed by is the /r/socialism tendency to succumb to frustration, dismiss their opponent and then turn to the group for support rather than demonstrate clearly the flaws in their opponent's argument.

i suppose this is a battle of idiots so i shouldn't be surprised they're behaving this way.

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It is. Ideology associated with that nationalism is what matters.

When has third world nationalism ever lead to socialism?

How typical.

Did I say it did? but they are allies in the fight against us imperialism.

arguably vietnam

ho chi minh described himself as a vietnamese patriot

A nationalist movement I think.

Their socialism more or less died with the soviet union. That's fucking pathetic.

pathetic socialism is still socialism

you fucking liberal faggot

further proof tankies are idpol

It was so lame to listen to.

wew.

Their ideological function is the same.

Haven't watched the video, but I assume she's a Trot? Most Lefties in NI are.

Not sure, she doesn't say her ideology. Probably though.

Not necessarily related to the debate but:

Word on the street is, LLCO are highly suspicious. Prairie Fire has a questionable record.

She sounds like a Trot or Marxist Humanist.

sure showed him!

is that a good thing?

That's a funny way of saying "mom".

No.

That Ulster lassy has a sexy voice.

I don't even like Jason that much but he was pretty good in this debate. He knows his stuff for sure.

I do I quit marxist humanism when the best way to talk to coworkers is to appeal to how much the company is controlling their minds and bodies and alienating them from themselves? : (

how do I*

Use historical materialism. You know, SCIENCE.

so it matters less that capitalism is bad for 'humans' and it is more important that their are crisis and contradictions within capitalism that will lead to its own downfall? maybe?

why fam

im just not getting this whole antihumanist marxism thing

Noice.

Yes. Humanism is ultimately a weakness.

are there some reasons we'd give up humanism?

Humanism is idpol and possibly a spook. Now how do I turn this camera off?

Correct. Humanism is a major spook.

why tho?

It's secularized religion.

as in humanism is just rational bourgeois morality? i dont know what you guys are saying. do you have a link or something to explain?

Alright, alright I'll get serious for a second.

The problem with humanism in a general sense is it's goals can be contrary to leftism. Which is why people like Sartre were such shitty leftists, among other reasons. Humanism also divides people as human values among certain groups tend to differ.

A lot of neocons are humanists.

as in, the definition of what is 'humanistic' depends on who controls the means of producing meaning? but is that a good enough reason to abandon it completely?

can't i make up a Marxist humanism that muh privileges things like freedom, anitcapitalism etc?

It's nice that this board has its own designated lolcow. Holla Forums has amassed a nice collection, and Holla Forums has spent the past two months harvesting salt from the entire Democratic party, so this is a good path to go down.

I mean, the capitalist will often say 'well communism fails because of human nature' or 'human nature fits best with competitive capitalism'.

but that doesn't mean they get to define what humanism is, they are abusing it sure, but we dont have to throw it out b/c of their bourgeois definition do we? maybe we do

Unruhe is a never-ending source of memes.

youtube.com/watch?v=JXriphg1Yqs

He's a fucking disaster. I don't want to hear the name Marx in his mouth anymore. He needs to stop staying that name.

Dah fuck are you talking about, nigger?
Jason BTFO those faggots.

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is he canadian?

Yes.

How?

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he can talk his dprk and china shit, but i never want to hear him say marx again. think he can get that?

That just proves he's woke fam

WE

I'm flagging this vid for promoting terrorism. "GET A GUN AND SHOOT THE GOVERNMENT"

lel

/r/socialism is right in how Jason keeps conflating a failed revolution with no revolution.

And how many times have third world socialist revolutions morphed into bourgeois nationalist or theocratic ones? Iran anyone? Algeria?

lol why do you run to the fucking state/cops.

does anyone actually have contact with this guy? why is he ruining everything?

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Unruhe's main claim, that the conditions for a revolution in the U.S don't exist, remained uncontested. r/socialism didn't manage to disprove that the proletariat in the U.S. is bought off with the surplus value extracted from the third world, they only went full "but muh feels" "but muh dogmatic readings of Marx", it just wasn't much of a debate tbh.

You have to be kidding me. Roo burst into fits several times throughout the debate.

Raising your voice isn't bursting into fits.

No, he clearly burst into fits.

r/socialism mods and most users are probably COINTELPRO

There's no way you can make socialism look even worse to normies after a Trump victory

Those smug giggles really pissed me off.

Jason is a retard, but there's no need to be so rude and disrespectful to someone who's being respectful to you

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Is this bait?
All they said was that Jason was "full of shit". Even after he said "prove me wrong", they didn't even try. They just said it was "nonsense".

we need to get based Jason posting here tbh

Like, twice.
And his "fit" is just a louder voice. Even after his little "fit" he speaks in a lower voice and allows other to speak again.

The ending is gold

Moderator: "Alright, we're gonna kick you now jason"
*after thinking he's kicked*
Moderator: "God who got that kick? I wanted that kick sooo bad!"
Some other guy: "Nobody kicked him lol he's still here"
*finally kicks*

Whoa! leddit really btfo the roo.

Should /r/socialist users be allowed to live?

There were other redditors who chimed in throughout the debate who gave good questions Jason refused to answer.

Also, when is Jason ever going to talk about his true feelings on "the trans issue"?

The Irish lassie in the beginning gave Jason a few points to which he couldn't respond.

She points out how the welfare state was earned through continuous labor struggle to which Jason gave a hand-waving. "No, labor sturggle no real, that was just keynesianism." Jason needs to read some more and learn.

Why is it how all third worldists are white boys from the suburbs who have never been to the ghettos and slums of their own countries, much less the ghettos and slums of the third world? Why do they always assume the entirety of the first world is white and middle class?

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yeah you're retarded.

I want to know what Jason thinks of trans people. Every time he's asked he backtracks.

How many times in 90 minutes can Unruhe repeat this assertion without looking like a broken record?

I kinda doubt this is the case for Jason he doesn't strike me as coming from a middle class background plus he's in his background and has only had his show and shit minimum wage jobs.

MIM has some followers in prison apparently so I wouldn't say all Third Worldists are bourgeoisie or white. Hell Third world (petit) bourgeoisie put forward Third worldist ideas all the time that's part of how we get the guardian and anfem.

While I don't think it's correct, I think Third Worldism speaks to 1. the defeated nature of the Western working class 2.the real material fact that the conditions for revolution aren't here yet.

Its strange how a lot of actual Maoist orgs in the third world don't really advocate for Third Worldism though, such as the Shining Path and Naxals.

Respectful, like replying to her indirectly via a male participant and calling her "she" like she wasn't there.

RESPECTFUL THO

Jason lives in a relatively nice part of Niagara Falls (Welland). I doubt he's experienced that much poverty.

Kek socialists are such scrawny betas. Your movement wouldn't last a single day in the case of physical confrontation. And it will keep dying because white people are waking up to race realism.

It's going to be fun slitting your throat.

This conversation is further proof that socialists are all white failures who are poor, lazy and stupid and will not achieve anything of worth in their life which is why they cling to ideas which involve stealing other people's wealth and stealing other peoples property. You can't succeed without doing it.

Whenever I see a socialist I want to puke. Your the lowest form of subhuman to have ever existed. I hope every single one of you is rounded up and killed.

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How many times do I have to tell people that having an argument isn't a "debate".

It isn't a debate unless there's an actual structure to it.

Someone tweet these to /r/socialism.

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I hate to go le Danny Devito man here but Maoism as world-wide movement is a big bag of populist opportunism. If the First world working class is rising up in one moment their gonna be all for it; if they feel like the Third World bourgeoisie is turning against imperialism their gonna forget all about the first world working class. That tendency is especially reinforced, because Maoism as a whole doesn't really have anything to or about say to workers in the developed world except maybe some rhetorical cheerleading.

not gonna happen, he said that anonymous imageboards are all shit. I think he said that in his most recent q&a

Only because /r/socialism isn't listening.

Like what?
The only question I can think of that Jason couldn't answer properly was the difference between a failed revolution and no revolution at all.

Every other question he answered fine.

/r/socialism is such a pathetic circlejerk and the mediator proves it. He can't refute any of Jason's points because the mods are too busy banning any dissenting opinion and thought provoking discussion on his precious subreddit.

Jason didn't answer the stuff concerning the comparisons between MTW and Bordigaism and leftcomms.

Do you mind giving me a timestamp?

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Around 1:14:30 IIRC. Right after his tirade concerning RAIM.

Maybe I'll skim through the debate later but your timestamp is just him explaining again that a revolution cannot happen in the first world and that Stalin is wrong in saying a revolution will always happen at some point.

He ignores the question, that's what I'm getting at.

HOLY SHIT he's onto us.

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Tankruhe

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Tankruhe

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Tankruhe

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Holy fuck, gulag can't open fast enough.

Neither will third world people. How many successful communist revolutions are there in the third world? Cuba, which became a Soviet colony very quickly? Burkina Faso which suffered a coup? Vietnam which was never really all that socialist as much as it was nationalist? Nicaragua - as if the sandinistas are still a thing?

He doesn't. He gets less than 200 bucks a month if that off of Patreon. E-begging is a terrible idea.

As usual, the comments section of the video is more toxic than the actual content of the video.

Cuba, China, Russia, Korea, Rojava, etc.

The only places which have actually had a remotely successful revolution has been the backwards third world. These days the 3rd world is the only place where a revolution could still actually happen.

Cuba was always a Soviet puppet state, which the USSR virtually plundered.

Juche is about as socialist as Zionism.

Rojava is a wild card.

Literally who cares?

Any anarchists want to make a response to Roo sometime?

"Fuck your state faggot"

t. Anarchy pro

I see.

This.

Third Worldism and postcolonial theory are the two biggest spooks on the modern left.

Socialism can't work unless everyone is individualistic and egoist. That's the major lesson leftists should get from Stirner. Unless people are thinking in terms of their own self-interest they will never disrupt the existing system and demand something better. That's also the reason why genuine socialism never came out of the third world: people in Asia, Africa, and the Middle East are way too conformist and are conditioned to "just follow orders" so they willingly go along with what capitalists and police do without questioning any of it. Every single attempt at communism in the third world (including Cuba and Burkina Faso) has only resulted in nationalism and/or state capitalism because nationalism is inherently a collectivist hivemind ideology.

Industrialization is also a factor. How the hell would a nation that's barely out of feudalism be able to take on socialism without needing a period of state capitalism to build up the productive forces, and how would that period of state capitalism not just lead back to regular capitalism?

Socialism can only take hold when capitalism starts to naturally decay and everyone, recognizing that it's in their own interest, demands a transition to a socialist government.

Holy Jesus. I made the mistake of reading the thread before listening to the debate. There is literally not a single argument that /r/socialism could refute. I'm 20min and the mod keeps asking why Jason thinks accelerationism doesn't work.

Yes Jason doesn't entirely answer every point they bring up but seriously, how could anybody truthfully think Jason got pwned.

Real question: why doesn't Jason just admit he's a transphobic TERF? His comments section is littered with radfems and other vile humans from the left.

Define "transphobic". I don't think he is. He just doesn't care much about such an irrelevant issue and neither do I. It has nothing to do with leftism. It's not him who's bringing in the IdPol.

I'm now listening to the part where they blame him for drinking a bottle of Cognac for five minutes.

Jason admits to donating money to the LLCO Bangla Zone. Pretty sure it's illegal to donate money to groups your government would label "terrorists."

historicism is bullshit fyi.

Shinkles

You can't have socialism unless you demolish the old past spooks. That's why every single socialist revolution in the underdeveloped nations ultimately lead to anti-socialism. Unruhe claims the German Revolution of 1918 gave birth to the Nazi Party, which "proves" his point about the first world going fascist. But what he doesn't mention is the slew of third world revolutions which lead to the same exact thing.Take the 1979 Iranian Revolution for example: it was very close to becoming a Marxist-Leninist revolution but ended up becoming Islamo-fascist. Most third world countries are becoming more fascist as we speak.

Transphobic = denying the identities of trans individuals

It's not irrelevant to all the trans people murdered and denied their basic human rights like bodily autonomy.

Can you like not use the leftcom flag if you aren't a leftcom?

Forgot my own flag

Pretty sure leftcomms believe in progress and teleology.

Yes, no, and what does that have to do with anything?

I really hope he isn't, I can tolerate the third worldism to a degree, but I can't stand TERFs.

If I identify as a millionaire, can I get the govt to pay for my transition? Denying my identity is literally murder.

He is. Look in his comments section and you'll see comments by BabyRadfemTV, Marie Allore, Magdalen Burns and other notable TERFs all praising him.

twitter.com/slaveofkek77/status/813795992986415105

Holy shit how will the Roo recover?

How the fuck do you know any of these people? I've never hear of any of them.

He isn't wrong though.

Magdalen Burns is big on youtube and tumblr.

So the children who died on 9/11 were as equally guilty as the porkies?

Man I really wish she didn't infect with Jim Profit with that bullshit.

She's Jim's ex IIRC.

Sounds like cancer. Everyone knows Tumblr is only good for porn.

I don't care infantile her voice sounds she's still annoying as hell and proves that feminism can't succeed.

nice try pedo, cointelpro somewhere else

Fucking this.

Jason owned these guys. The mediator was a dickhead.

I fucking hate third worldism, but honestly, I wish Unruhe would own the fuck out of those smug /r/socialist fucks.

Unruhe is fucking insane and a crazy tanky genocide denier, but at least he doesn't get caught up in the ridiculous /r/socialism idpol shit.

Unruhe is a running joke among Marxists. No one with half a brain takes him seriously, which is why I'm seriously disappointed in /r/socialism. I was expecting them to destroy him.