Reminder that you can't be racist if you are a leftist. Racism is exclusively right wing

Is r/socialism down?

No in communism.

Capitalism perpetuates all these individual identities such as

What I mean under communism is that everyones a worker unless you try to be like the kulaks and hoard the wealth which will lead to you being gulaged or killed

Why would you hoard stuff?

Good to know all those feminists and black lives matter supporters who single out white people as the bane of society are just conservatives in disguise then.

Idpolers, more than meets the eye.
Idpolers, conservatives in disguise.

racism is racism m8, SJWs and Stormfags are plagued with idpol.

I honestly take that more as a compliment than an insult.

tbh i've never heard any of those words mentioned outside of reddit or tumblr

Yes it is. You can plot out the human family tree, and the way that races are divided up is pretty arbitrary and has more to do with outward appearance than actual relatedness.

For me it conjures up images of someone who's hyper-competent and vaguely fatherly carrying a black flag and telling other people what they need to do to liberate themselves.

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I miss him

..they are

Manarcha-Feminism

I thought the claims of this were ridiculous enough but some men's defense of this was even more catastrophically ridiculous. Having to see repzion's tiny package in underwear was not something I needed to see in this life time.

People protest more today and in larger numbers than they did in any other period of time. The main problem is the media has basically blacklisted any protests that have an economic viewpoint they don't find conducive to their own. Also the protests are about a number of issues rather than one monolithic issue which splits their power unfortunately.

Any defense of manspreading is going to be ridiculous because manspreading is a ridiculous concept. Feminists are using Rules for Radicals here (knowingly or not) by being ridiculous and forcing their opposition to look ridiculous if they want to argue back. Nitpicking people's posture is insanely anal, and men's genitals are seen as inherently funny. Combine the two and you have something really ridiculous.

The core issue of taking up more space than necessary in a crowded place is an ok issue to shed light on. I could see this making for a great episode of Seinfeld actually. The problem is they made it about men exclusively for no reason and then made shaming blogs which is just always a premature and assholish thing to do.

Population are a lot bigger so of course more people are protesting. Also, protesting isn't the same as striking, rioting, and armed struggle.

That's never what it was actually about.

No, it was about men to begin with. They started with "how do we complain about men" and then found something to complain about. My guess as to why they picked where people's legs go when they sit is that girls are taught to keep their legs together so people can't see up their skirts and on some level, conscious or not, men not having to do this bothered them.

It's a bad habit of mine, I got it from my dad.

Can you explain how NazBols are racist? Dugin has said numerous times he's against racism.

I didn't mean real nazbolism. Most of those who use that flag here are basically Holla Forums who also like workers rights

One of the nazbols here always prattles on about how he hates niggers and his views on traditional gender roles for women.

all 5 of them were the same faggots though

everyone on this board is the 5th guy btw

Leftism is strictly economic. I can hate whoever I want so long as I believe the workers should own the means of production. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't understand how a basic political compass works.

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Didn't we just have a fucking thread about this bullshit

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He doesn't have to be afraid of skin tone to make a valid point. He can hate or love whoever he wants, it's completely irrelevant to the actual issue - means of production, and, hence, is of no concern to you or anybody else.

>>>/sjw/

You can be a racist and a socialist, you'd be a spooked socialist though.

KILL ALL RACISTS

I wish nationalist-commies and nazi-commies would stop using the same flag. Theres legitimate arguments for civic nationalism as a tactic to reach socialism and then communism.

You're correct of course but the flags don't mean anything, only arguments.

Fuck off, there is nothing wrong about patriarchal heteronormitive and white dictatorship of the proletariat.

It's impossible to have a race focused policy position today, the solution is where do we go from here.

Nah.

Is this the autistic socdem who thinks beaten up girls are "hot" and fucks prostitutes and shit?

And pretends to be a politician

As I look around, I think we should turn to civic nationalism.

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Subsaharans, Europeans, east asians, Native Americans and australian aboriginals have lived in different enviroments, had different lifestiles and lived isolated from each others for hundreds or even thusands of years.
You're a fool if you think this haven't had it's biological effects.

Effects like?

it is thought.

Are you a Real nazbol? Have you read dugin?

Change your flag back fam

well just look at for example how many sprinters are from Jamaica and west Africa , or how many long distance runners are ethiopians or kenyians.

It's the closest to my own ideology

Its not me trough…
I`m just lurking here, and nazbol and I just happen to share somewhat similar tastes, read back on the waifu thread

You aren't a nazbol then, get educated or use the fucking nazi flag

Read this: counter-currents.com/2014/09/dugin-on-ethnicity-vs-race/

And stop thinking in memes you fucking moron

Open a fucking History book. The Vietnam war enjoyed wide support among boomers and hippies all the way up until the draft.

Fuck your historical revisionism,

later than that tbh

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Can you elaborate?

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How do we purge "liberals"?

For some odd reason, I'm somewhat infatuated with a Holla Forums and /letypol/ alliance. The only problem is that I'm not a racist, and I hate stormfags

Reject all forms of idpol. That means white nationalism on your part too

It makes sense once you realise indefinite mass immigration with a giant propaganda apparatus and braindead liberal hordes to support it generates MORE racism, only reversing all the progress the West made, the working class, women, gays, minorities fought for. As irreconcilable tensions and consolidation of transnational corporate power under neoliberalism renders popular democracy ever more impossible, let alone any possibility of bringing back unions. And that multiculturalism is itself a """spook""" - an ad hoc rationalization for the pure logic of capital rather than a genuinely noble idea. Hardline left antinationalism is a legacy position from the postcolonial 20th century when deeply triggering and problematic animus and (irrational) guilt made sense in a way, but is now becoming irrelevant as the world moves to multipolar regional powers (basically nowhere else embracing the immigration model), and the West has already achieved the highest tolerance society of any place and time in history. And it's also incoherent because it's an irreducibly Eurocentric view due to the character of the history of ideas from the Greeks, Enlightenment, Marx himself, to the 20th century continuing dominance of Anglo, French and German thinkers. In that sense there is NO WAY to totally escape all forms of tradition.

A nation is just who you can share a society with, you already share it with the conservatives, and it can be threaded around anything. Why not a revitalized social liberalism based on the core (Euro) principles of fairness, equality, democracy, compromise, dialogue, tolerance, rights, freedom, etc? It's the common thread that can actually unite the working class rather than a bizarre contradictory psuedo-class idpol based on "dispassionate" (psuedo-)intellectuals and under half of the actual working class who just fucking hate porky. Creating a common movement means your own voice can drown out every genuine racist's. Either that or wallow in increasing irrelevance and obscurity while infighting with people you actively despise but are forced into alliance with by the very same contradictory dynamic of capital that create the apparent political dichotomy in the first place, while in the opposing venue loud actual racists find an audience increasingly more open to their ideas. If it doesn't work it doesn't work but I don't see anyone else with a realistic plan, simply to save what remains of the fucking left itself (except Marxist idealists screeching "idealism" at pragmatism.) I remind you neoliberalism is destroying humanities at universities as well.

Last post since the BV cuck banned me for demonstrating a couple of legit points. Peace.

deeply triggering and excellent = a n t i w h i t e

Multipolar regional powers? You know this is nothing new, right? Just because BRICS are in the headlines does not make it a new phenomenon. Two world wars were fought by multipolar regional powers. And is a multipolar world inherently better than a bipolar or unipolar one? More national interests at potential odds? You say left anti-nationalism is a "legacy position", then conveniently forget the tragedies that nationalism gives us.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Are you strawmanning or do you genuinely believe that leftists want to burn books and throw out anything that even hints at "tradition"? We're not all trying to party like it's 1966.

Socialism gave us tragedies as well. There's many different kinds of socialism however. All ideologies are inevitably exploited by the ruling class to engineer whatever outcomes they want. But it's a different world now, and there's nothing we in the West can do about multipolarity, its a fact. I see this as a long shot but the only realistic short-medium term alternative is letting neoliberalism continue unopposed, which is society being dictated by the pure logic of capital, with the central ideologies (social justice liberalism) being irrationally and directly manufactured by it, as it guts the entire traditional basis of the left in the West: unions, the traditional university, sovereign democracy, and with the right-populists currently being the ones organizing against it right now.

I"m not strawmanning no, the position often is something's just said to be a dead, reactionary traditional idea that needs to go into the trash when it doesn't suit the narrative while other traditions are simply arbitrarily left ignored and unquestioned, especially the big one being that the history of ideas and the egalitarian ideal has an inextricably "Western" character.

I'm not saying "Fuck yeah nationalism." I just think we already have / had civic nationalism so it's not always this terrible thing. In a sense the values on which socialism are founded are these core Western social liberal ideas, and that's what I think a nation could be founded on, as for example, conservative Islam is heavily oppositional to these values, and it gridlocks what will be left of popular democracy after the """Trade deals""" cripple it even more. It's simply the least contradictory path forward that isn't totally unrealistic right now or a dead end to me. Neoliberalism won't create the global proletariat, is not "humanitarian" on balance, and is just as if not far more dangerous than some kind of soft liberal-nationalism based on these positive cultural values, that actually seeks to preserve the left in society rather than leave it to face complete annihilation at the hands of neoliberalism, or letting neoliberalism collapse right into the hands of the right-populists unopposed by a fragmented and neutered left. Which is anti-leftist heresy apparently???

Final addendum.

Consider this: There is an implicit Western "nation" based on the values fundamental to socialism, as well as explicit non-Western ethnonations, if you want there to be or not. The right-populists are utilizing this and the current right wing authoritarian activation that is occuring due to immigration and economic and cultural pressure, to push classical and ethno-nationalism, but what I'm talking about really has nothing to do with these ideologies, it's more coherent.

Just because getting rid of nations and borders is an end goal of communism doesn't mean removing them now will do anything. That doesn't make sense.

The three options as I see it are:
Let neoliberalism continue:
1. Neoliberalism survives and the Left basically perishes in the West. If you realise the USSR pulled the Overton Window to the left in the 20th century, consider the effects this would have worldwide. Racism increases due to mass immigration.
2. Neoliberalism crumbles and falls into the hands of the right-populists, who then may swing hard right as capital's crises increase, who then suppress the left: Left perishes. Racism becomes policy.

Or - find a way to oppose neoliberalism:
3. "Cultural" nationalism or whatever, it may need a new term, pull the non-racist "classical liberals" from the right, and the disenfranchised now. Left survives and can keep working towards a general solution. Societal tolerance continues increasing.

It's that simple, as I see it. Anything else is dreaming and/or not paying enough attention.

So you say you're not an ethnonationalist, you're a civic nationalist, but you're identifying a specific problem and framing its solution EXACTLY like the white ethnonationalists: Muslims are an existential threat to "the West".