Has there ever been a point in this nation's history where they actually did something positive for once?

His understanding of political history and history of second world war is however superior and factual in this case.

Notice I used the term "used nukes", which, in all their destructive power, can at any moment still level entire playing fields.

The use of nukes created a state where war was impossible, there by being a good and terrible power.

Jesus Christ are you people really that stupid you think I was referring to just the history of World War II?

Ultimately without the nukes Soviets would have risen to be the military superpower of the 50`s. This is undeniable fact, there was no scenario during the cold war where the NATO did not lose control of the continental Europe to Soviets.

We would be living under communism right now if the nukes would have been delayed even by decade.

We would be living under fascism if Hitler launched operation barbarossa on UK instead of the USSR.

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No we would not, since he did not hold naval supremacy over the english channel. Operation sea-lion was a failure form perspective of planning.
Even If Hitler had taken England I doubt that UK would have surrendered since they would still had more than enough resources in Asia,Africa and North America(Canada) to continue the war.

operation barbarossa numbers would have swepted England apart, which let's be honest…they were fucked and what save their assses from being easily conquered was the the fact that Hitler invaded the USSR.

Where's gadsen name fag when you need him?

Well our nation was established on failed communist revolution and death camps. 15 000 people starved to death in small camps. They say Lenin got the idea of gulags from us.

That most of Europe did before the US though…

Nonsense. If Hitler had given Stalin any more time, he would have moved the Soviet heavy industry east of the Urals and finished repairing the Red Army after the purge. He attacked when he did, because he recognized that it was the last moment in history when the Soviet Union would be vulnerable. After that, the Red Army would have been unstoppable.

While continuing to utilize American slavery. Europe was every bit as culpable as the United States for maintaining slavery.

Extending the legal rights of women.

Then yes he should've attacked USSR while US was busy fighting Japan.

Yuros were still being cunts in Africa up till the 60s, particularly the Belgians.

French Vietnam did not cede after the France surrendered, nor did French Algeria. I doubt that UK that consisted at the time of Australia and Canada(monarch controlled the policy on war) +India and whole of eastern Africa could have still kept the war going. Minority of British war production was based in Great Britain, thus they would have pursued the war.

And Americans weren't being even bigger dicks to black people in the 60's?

Operation Barbarossa started in 1941, Japanese attacked pearl harbor at the end of the same year.

War between Soviets and Germany had already started at that point.

Let's just admit that pretty much every country sucks balls, OK?
especially denmark

It is utterly inexplicable that he declared war on the Americans. The Brits were irrelevent at that point, and really they were never good for a damn thing afterward. Why fill their bases with millions of Americans? It's not like the Germans did not need every last man to throw in front of the Red Army juggernaut.

Worse than the European occupations in Africa? Fuck no.

D-day, mane.

Yeah, the British Empire was already in a state of collapse. Their colonies were all ready to kick them out, and the Canadians and Australians were more like allies than vassals by then. The Aussies had their hands full with Japan, so they were not bringing anything serious to Europe. Stalin and Truman more or less divided the remains of the British Empire amongst themselves afterward.

It was completely rational at that point and time. US trade with UK kept the British on their feet and stopped the naval blockade that he tried to establish with U-boats. Only way to tackle this was to declare a war.

In addition they were winning on the eastern front at that time, and exactly due to this reason Japanese decided that it was their opportunity to attack.

German forces were at that point already spread out in their occupations of Greece,Balkans and Nordic countries(Norway+Denmark) + Benlux countries and France. In addition to this they also had Front in North Africa to keep up. They simply did not have the divisions to invade the Britain at that point without risking change of Soviet attack into Poland.

They kept those colonies in the fight with promise of independence already so I doubt that they would have turned their backs on UK.

Hitler was incompetent as fuck dude. His Navy sucked ass. Over half of his fucking U-Boat sailors died in the war.

Over
Half

Hitler was not incompetent but his general staff(take invasion Cyprus for example) was. German intelligence is also to be blamed for losing the war, since they miscalculated Soviet reserves by 200 divisions and they ignored that logistics officers reported about the SU.

Hitler didn't even make his own military decisions besides anything in the most general sense. He trusted everything in his military ranks.

Well he ended up killing himself lol

What, should America have remained segregated forever?

How are you people not just Holla Forums LARPing as Communists again?

Like I said, Britain was irrelevent at that point. U.S. goods flowing into Britain only propped up the island under the Blitz. The Brits could never have gone on the offensive without the Yanks. Even if Montgomery had managed to finish off the Afrika Korp, North Africa was a side-show.

They promised those colonies independence during WWI. By the time the Second World War rolled around, those colonies were already pissed off.

This is completely ass-backwards. The German general staff was outstanding, revolutionary in their approach to warfare. Heinz Gudarian and Erwin Rommel in particular changed the war that wars were prosecuted. Hitler was a nitwit who kept trying to re-fight WWI.

That does not follow anything he said.

Hitler and the Nazi Party in general were pretty incompetent bro - even "if" Germany managed to win the war it would've fallen apart soon after Hitler's death anyway.

yes

few leaders make all the decisions

British were planning on landings in Greece before the Americans even showed up.

Still this would have been irrelevant since operation sea-lion could have not been launched without naval and areal supremacy over Britain.

As for German general staff, their tactics were revolutionary for their time but their strategy was unrealistic and based on pre-Napoleonic thought in the sense that if they captured a capital they could force nation to surrender. As I mention the complete failure at part of German intelligence made the war un-winnable in the east form the beginning.

nasa?

The US was way behind Europe on that. Even some of the founders didn't like it but it took the US a century to abolish slavery.

The US literally created the Nazis. WWII was entirely preventable if the Treaty of Versailles hadn't fucked Germany so badly. On top of that, US corps were all over Germany. IBM built the computers that kept records in concentration camps for fuck's sake.

Plenty of good things have happened in this country, but it very rarely comes from the people actually running it. All the time people say "people died for your right to vote" (referring to blacks and women), as if it's a good thing that people have died and will have to continue to die for this country to treat them like humans.

woman could own property under colonial Britain, women were allowed to keep their own wealth, and own businesses under colonial britain. Guess how long it took America for them to regain those rights :^). Woman were also allowed to be more sexually "liberated" before the great awakenings.

Yeah, I was more or less referring to the people actually in charge of the country like congress, the house and the president.

Of all the stupid places to land… You would think that Churchill would have learned his lesson after Gallipoli.

Mostly it was based on the old Schlieffen Plan with Guderian's blitzkrieg making the previously futile strategy more effective. Like I said, Hitler kept trying to re-fight WWI.

That worked a few times. France and Poland were done as soon as Paris and Warsaw fell.

The Russians did intelligence better without a doubt. SMERSH kicked nazi ass long before they met James Bond.

Guys guys.

FUCKING NIPS

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No, FDR was pulling a bunch of dodgy shit behind the curtain to advance America's intervention in WW2, to the point he'd secretly assured Churchill in 1940 that he was doing everything in his power to intervene. Pearl Harbor - and the following alliance with Nazi Germany - just provided sufficient justification for something he was already intending

Also, it's basically indisputable at this point that he knew Pearl Harbor was going to happen but didn't stop it when he could have. What's less clear cut is that he made economic moves deliberately to push Japan into attacking. It sure is a big ol' co-inkydink that the attack on Pearl Harbor was much less effective than expected because several ships were in different locations than Japanese intelligence indicated.

His refusal to supply Japan with American oil (and various other economic tricks to fuck with them over their invasion and occupation of China) pretty much made war inevitable. That's not to say "Imperial Japan did nothing wrong", but it's funny how his actions have pretty much been retroactively justified to most people

Honestly they make the Nazis look good

Of course. Unlike Nazi Germany I think a confrontation between the United States and Imperial Japan was ultimately unavoidable.

It still doesn't excuse FDR's actions in surreptitiously advancing such a conflict

Hitler declared war on the United States four days after Pearl Harbor but not specifically because of the war the US had just declared on Japan. A week earlier, on December 4, the Chicago Tribune published, under the headline "FDR's WAR PLANS!" a top secret document code-named "Rainbow Five", which exposed the U.S. plan to create a five million man army to invade Germany in 1943. This was the last straw, after years of the U.S. illegally supplying war materiel to Britain, which declared war on Germany after it sabotaged the German-Polish border talks. It was a propaganda masterstroke to publish this bombshell in a paper vigorously opposed to FDR, so much so that FDR ordered the IRS to audit and relentlessly harass its owner, the flamboyant Col. McCormack.

It is believed that FDR personally leaked this document in order to provoke a German declaration of war at that specific moment in time. American intelligence was fully aware that Japan was planning an imminent strike on US forces somewhere in the Pacific, in retaliation for the provocations of the Stimson Doctrine and crippling economic sanctions. Hence the leak was timed for the moment when the nation would feel itself most vulnerable and the people, overwhelmingly opposed to fighting another European war, least likely to protest effectively.

It is often (conveniently) forgotten that one of Hitler's strongest motivations in trying to build Germany into a superpower was the growing threat to world peace that he saw coming from the United States. The catastrophic results of U.S. meddling in the Great War were very much remembered by Germans. And I was startled in my researches to read a detailed prediction of the U.S. war on Vietnam in a 1942 German "propaganda" magazine (Signal magazine, English edition printed in Paris), where the U.S. is mocked as a phony "Democracy of Dollars" run by Wall Street.

And remember that war is the elite's most effective tool for suppressing domestic dissent. Labor's patience with economic injustice in the United States ended during the Depression. Pitched battles for decent wages and working conditions had been fought across the nation as government repression intensified. New foreign enemies were needed to bring the people back under control, and Germany and Japan were the obvious choices.

They ruined it though.

Plus the USA didn't set up a proper health service like the UK.

Abolishing slavery…but then again that only happened because they instituted slavery in the first place…so…no…

I always knew this to be an emotional appeal, but I just realised the hilarity of the statement.

50%ish of the population are women. Combined with children they make the majority.

How dare you do anything against mainly women and children, you fucking sickos!

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partially, it's also because they're defenseless and not legitimate enemies.

spook

There is something that happens when you lose a World War, it's called diplomacy, not start another World War. Especially after everyone was full exhausted after the first one.

The former of not starting another world war because you fucked up is reasonable, the latter is not reasonable.