How to deal with the rise of the far right

how do you expect smaller countries to accept multi racialism and multiculturalism in the first place? they would see it as a threat imposed to them by someone else
i mean right now there is a huge resistance to United States of Europe idea because smaller European countries think they would have their identity erased that way
idpol is a helluva drug
at least countries which were multiracial and multicultural for a long time can have some form of civic nationalism

the actual solution:
1. remove idpol besides from as a means to get minorities on board with left wing politics.
2. abandon old soviet leftist imagery and even some of the terminology
3. left wing populism
4. protectionism instead of globalisation

i think this is very important and it's a reason why bernie sanders was so popular
trump just stole his message…

"Multiculturalism" in the US is very very different from "multiculturalism" in Europe.

The smaller countries that actually care about their culture watch in horror as countries like Germany and the UK are islamised because they reject their own culture, and they fear it's going to happen to them too.

1. Victory will only happen if led by white people, who embrace other white people to get things off the ground.

2. Victory

Pakistan is not a fucking EU member.

Northern England is Mini Pakistan

I live in North England, you have a terminal case of complete retardation if you thought the EU affects such a thing.

You are the one who did that, he said Islamisation, that comes with a free movement zone, such as Somalians moving to Britain from Netherlands and Sweden.

Thanks for the nitpicking comment captain reddit, but it's pretty clear what someone's talking about when they say "Islamisation in the UK" when you're from the UK yourself.

1. We need more safe spaces like Holla Forums to secure ourselves from those nasty alt-rightist.
2. Elect some minorities like Obama or Hillary. They will shield us from capitalism.
3. Post more Zizek.
4. Support the EU and islam.

You made an assumption, he never said the EU, he was talking about countries fearing Islamisation, LIKE in Germany and England.

Read his fucking comment he specifically said multiculturalism. You then read Pakis and the EU. The point was not the specific way the got there and there is overlap with the EU as I said with free movement, but the culture.

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I know, but this isn't reddit and we don't masturbate over nuance in language when we know what people are dog whistling about.

For someone not talking about what I implied he was talking about he certainly responded exactly like someone talking about what I said he was talking about.

Oh fuck off, it's clear what we are talking about, some cultures are shitter than others, Islam is the shittest. People fear Islamisation. They are told they are crazy, up pop the no go areas, no English speaking or German speaking, Mollenbeeks, and you are pissing about the EU, you are doing the Reddit nonsense. There is no fucking nuance here, the point was clear, you muddled it for what? You didn't like it?

Top kek, upset because your bullshit mincing words doesn't fly here? Or do you seriously expect me to buy that when you were talking about the Islamicifisationising of the UK you meant the notorious Dutch Somalian horde?

Kill yourself you burger scoffing dolt.

I'm Irish and live in London you faggot, I've been to most areas in Northern England, We are talking about multiculturalism, it doesn't matter how they Pakis come, the result is the same.

And now tell me there are no no go areas in Sweden or France, or Germany,

Then you'll know you're deliberately misrepresenting what's going on and that the police genuinely do not give a fuck about anyone. I do know of no-gos in France, but unless I actually see footage of some in Germany and Sweden I'll remain skeptical since it's made up constantly by right wingers, like with the "Birmingham is a no go zone" shit Fox pulled a year or so back.

Multiculturalism is a meme belief. It's clear why the people in charge are importing immigrants and it's not some dipshit liberal idea to create one muddy united race or for everyone to live in a big harmonious campfire circle. Any liberals that actually see that happening are just useful idiots.

lol

Mate, Swedish police don't go into areas anymore.
youtube.com/watch?v=uK7caCjIlq8

[citation needed]
those places always existed long before immigrations, there were unsafe places to go to.

say hi to Holla Forums for me, i would've said it myself but i was banned, you fucks don't like different opinion.
luky places like Holla Forums exist huh

Watch this, deny it

Stop posting.

I've seen the last footage before actually, it was somewhere else way before May. Didn't know Sweden actually confirm their no go zones, they're normally kept away from the public.

Neoliberals want to lower your wages and find reasons to enforce a police state on you, not turn you into a single muddy race of people with no culture. You're already white with no culture.

Kek, loaded the image in for before I wrote my reply.

bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-14/debunking-the-muslim-nogo-zone-myth

thelocal.se/20160923/embassy-no-go-zones-do-not-exist-in-sweden-hungary

observers.france24.com/en/20150713-debunked-video-no-go-zones-fake

its not the first time you shitheads make things up for proaganda purpose.

there really is a fake news problem, as Reddit like to say, we're post truth.
it doesn't matter anymore, you made your mind, its not rational or logic therefore it cant be change with logic

We become porky ourselves and e ploit the aut-rightists

These are the facts, there are areas now in England, France, Sweden and Germany that are completely unsafe for natives. Central Birmingham and London are not fucking no go zones, I never said they were.

There are small areas that have lost control, and rule of law is non existant. There are cars set alight every night in Sweden, without fail

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You are using propaganda there, thelocal.se? Lel. When did anyone here make that video a central part of the argument.

Refute the Australian camera crew going into the town and being run over, then assaulted, and chased out. That is a fucking no go zone you retard. You will find places like this all over Europe, and it is unwise for non-muslims to do as they please there. They will be fucked up.

There are white no go zones too, but nobody would say importing them is a good idea.

Americans who spend 24 hours a day on Holla Forums actually think you'll get beat up for being white in places like london and paris lmao

bullshit

delusional bullshit

Even if we accept the video, for the sake of argument, your argument is fucking retarded. You took the leap from "see this one no-go zone? This is proof that the entire continent of Europe is literally conquered."

In general, we're not a bright country.

No, I didn't, I just used it as an example of multiculturalism, and something that will increase, not decrease with mass immigration.

Do you think that blonde liberal thought she'd end up spat on and her colleagues ran over and punched repeatedly? Course not, she like the Bloomberg article think there is NO places like this in Europe.

okay
youtube.com/watch?v=pKcJ-0bAHB4
but its ok for white rednecks like yourself to assult and shoot a tv crew.

go figure pr is Alabama a "no go zone" ?

Facinating.
1)how do you know they're muslims ?
2) how do they know who isn't muslim ?
3) how do you know that islam is the motive ?

they genuinely do, and now there is Breitbart (Holla Forums news service) made of 100% pure cherry picked and sometimes made up "news"
rednecks love it

No you fucking cretin, I don't, but I don't think importing them social problems is a fucking starting idea, when the results are known. White nogo areas have existed for whites in Europe, but don't tell me Sweden was like this before, the cars burning, the ghettos, the murders, the grenade attacks. These are all covered up by liberals because of scary racists and a faggy bloomberg article that say's Paris is a haven is fucking laughable.

your using a fallacious idiotic shortcut.

just like feminists calling men rapist.
but you don't mind the fallacy because you're not the one who's gonna have to deal with it.

listen to yourself, you're being irrational, your judgment completely clouded by emotions.

reminds me of some hysterical bitch who's opinions come strait from her pussy.

you lack critical thinking.

No, I am telling you, as the topic of the thread, how to stop the alt right, and you are pretending it isn't happening, and colluding with liberals, to portray it as a conspiracy. That is why you are losing.

There is no fallacy in Sweden, they did a social experiment and it has failed, so they cover it up. They self inflicted social decay, there is no reason for others to do it.

Swede here. I can't say that I feel very threatened when I go out at night tbh.

At the risk of becoming Molymeme, nothing you just said is actually an argument.

Well obviously, you're just another person part the vast liberal conspiracy to destroy the white race

I can't say I am a part of any conspiracy. But I am actively trying to destroy the white race, so I guess you're half right

Neat way of being able to check out without providing evidence.

Moymeme knows when to use it, you do not.

That's great, and irrelevant, because it is literally not an argument.

wow smh the globalists have completely brainwashed you. my dear nordic viking brother you must fight back. here I have some literature written by a failed German artist from the 1940s I think you'll like it.

Thank you. Identity is important! If we're not our race, then we are nothing!

because it isn't

Swedish police have been ordered not to release descriptions of crime suspects which include race or nationality to avoid being branded racist

Do you believe this is true?

But…I'm…right? All you said is "there's no proof cause it's covered up" and "the bloomberg article is laughable". Those literally aren't arguments.

Swede here again. I do not.

okay

I told you why liberals were losing, I'm not sure why anyone on leftypol wants to jump on their train. Yes, they cover up crimes by migrants because they are afraid of legitmising the fucking reason for the alt right

Just in case you were unaware as you seem to be living in a bubble, Swedish press covered up sexual assault on teenage girls for political reasons.

Now, you probably don't believe that?

No, I'm not denying that part. As they've stated, it's to "avoid pointing out ethnic groups as criminal", which makes complete sense considering how easily fascism takes root in Europe. The brownshirts have already begun organizing: theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/30/masked-men-stockholm-threaten-punishment-refugee-children

I see you forgot to cite your source. I'll do your job and google the quotes in your post

listen user, i'm not a fan of immigration personally.
but using fallacies and lies isn't the solution.

immigration is the result of capitalism. it needs exponential population growth. which will inevitably end bad.

the only way to stop it, is to stop capitalism.

They're honestly such a pathetic rabble, they're not far right so much as fart right.

don't remember seeing a liberal here.

The Swedish guy that thinks making police reporting race free, is a fucking retard, and also a liberal. I don't often see that level of retardation on here.

Honestly, if you think eliminating description of violent criminals because you are afraid of the right, is a good idea, get ready for real brownshirts.

If your media bins public interets stories on the basis of proving right wingers true, and the police decide to join in, your country is fucked and people will get drawn to areas they can let off their pent up fury at the insanity.

No. Your entire argument hinges on the assumption that the people are mad about "muh censorship! free the press!" when the reality is that people wearing masks saying they want to kill brown kids, actually just want to kill brown kids.

You are in denial. It isn't an assumption, your press filters out news that gives SD a boost, this is a fact and was admitted to by Editors during the Stockhom scandal.

Brownshirts wanting to kill little brown 32 year old kids, are filling the void your police and media vacated, and are few and far between in Sweden.

I'm American. "My" press barely talks about Europe, let alone Sweden.

What does SD stand for?

Got it. Racists are rare, and non-white violence is very common. But what is the proof?

kek, valid point.
i'm all for punishing criminals.
but going after random brownies isn't defendable

If that is the locals telling refugees to fuck off, maybe that was in Finland, then what is the problem. Small towns get their population massivley increased by hundreds of refugees who don't want to be there and act like it. Their families have to live with their sexual emergencies and the subsequent media blackouts, nobody will listen to them, their own fucking towns turned on their heads, fuck that
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Policeman :What did he look like little girl?
Girl:He was a brown…
Policeman: U fucking racist?

There was a woman who escaped a rape, the intruder hid under her bed, her husband found him groping her, he legged it. She asked the town for help identifying him and said what he looked like, and got called a fucking racist, I'll post the link. it was recently in Norway or Sweden.

Still waiting for your proof

There are numerous problems with the refugee crisis, but all of them can be addressed without dragging race into it. It would be absolutely insane if there wasn't a spike in crime even if every refugee was a white Caucasian.

Hell, the tension of race discussion is why problems haven't been solved, you are shooting yourself in the foot. Instead of taking the high road, the national right has pandered to xenophobia for votes.

The problem here is that that's going to move the local working class further rightward. We shouldn't actively fight against immigration, because of course that's not the point.

Actual leftist movements shouldn't have a stance on immigration in a capitalist society just like they shouldn't have a stance on any other issues in a capitalist society. Leftist movements should dissociate from parliamentarianism and focus on encouraging revolutionary action at the ground level, not looking at policy, but looking at what the lives of the average worker in a given area lives like and appealing to them on those grounds.

We should be appealing to workers for revolutionary action and focus on building small, explicitly revolutionary groups. In the event of a crisis, these groups should not attempt to control the working class, but rather lead by example, incite rebellion through direct action and propaganda. If the class is ready for rebellion they'll follow suit.

Once again, disregard the liberal media and large labor Unions. Whatever they do does not apply here. We need explicitly revolutionary small rank-and-file workers groups. We need to spread our own propaganda. "Progressive media" is becoming about as trusted by the public as Breitbart. And with good reason too. Here all they do is explain why all the shitty things Dems advocate for are actually good. We need to make people aware of a more explicitly socialist platform.

Well, I agree at least that revolution is more than just getting people to agree with you. But ultimately your average person, whether liberal or conservative (in the US) is not a socialist. It's a matter of familiarizing people with your position, and what you are in favor of. This means more than fighting for laws proposed by liberals. This means appealing to people based on their own experiences and explaining to them how our platform (pro-gun, anticapitalist, anti-government) will help them. This is more than just politics. It's about connecting the political and the personal.

That's fine, sure. But you also have to understand why a growing number of people at the moment prefer fascism over liberalism. Fascism has many of the same appeals to the worker as socialism traditionally does (against the sort of liberal individualism, tries to be a mass movement), the difference is that fascism is not only unstable but can only slightly at most improve the conditions of the average person (giving jobs back to people within the ethnostate at the expense of immigrants and foreign business).

A big reason why people liked Trump more than the libs expected was because all the liberals had for people was "open your hearts and see that immigrants are people too," and "Donald Drumpf is grabbing women by the pussy" while Trump had "jobs prospects are drying up, and the country feels like it's in decline here's how we're going to fix it." We should keep in mind that Hillary still won the popular vote (in large part because of minorities) and that Trump's base was not the white working class, but rather the white middle class. Even still, democrats expected that Trump would not retain a lot of these voters and that their voters (minorities and young people) would turn out in especially large numbers. This did not happen. Why? Because the Democrats' appeal was purely political for most and generally detached from people's lives. Even for racial minorities, the most they could promise were some national conversations on race. They didn't explain "here's how we can fix some of your problems that you are facing personally right now," they instead went with "look into your hearts" and "we're better than this" and worst of all "America is already great" (a.k.a. "Your personal problems don't matter, STFU"). The left should view this as a cautionary tale. Even if your message is batshit crazy like Trump's, you'll retain a more dedicated following if you can promise real meaningful change in peoples' personal lives.

Racism is an symptom of something deeper and more systematic. People hate mexicans here in the US because within the current framework, it's in their interests. Telling people "stop being racist" without any sort of institutional change will just repel them from the message. That does not mean we can turn a blind eye to racist attitudes. It should be discouraged generally and not tolerated at all within explicitly revolutionary groups. But we cannot combat racial attitudes by telling everyone to clean up their speech like liberals seem to believe. The logical conclusion of the belief that the racism we should be addressing is more than attitudes, but rather something institutional, is that the change has to be institutional. Our propaganda may focus on internationalism, we may not allow people who hold racist views into our revolutionary movements, we should be explicit about supporting and arming minority groups, but to try and stop racism in our current society is a losing battle. Ending racism will have to come about during revolution and with broad institutional change.

As he should have done, it's not the white man's place to interfere with an immigrant and his wife.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden

Look at Malmo alone.
SD are Sweden Democrats the right wing swedish party.

And can you connect this statistically to the migrants?

FullChan is the intuitive final stage of discourse on the internet

Yes, it's Somali gangs and muslim Bosnians, and Serbs.

I said statistically…

The fuck do you want, Sweden bans racial crime stats. Probably close to 100% are migrant related. Just like close to 100% of car burnings are migrant related. Do you really need to see it on paper, that this is not migrant related. Go through all the data reported on grenades, and find names. The reporting is appalling, for some reason, no idea why that could be.

Yes…yes I do

THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR

thelocal.no/20141110/norway-deports-record-number-of-immigrants

Record number of deportations in Norway have an immediate impact on national crime rates.

How is this a conspiracy? You realize that you are hurting your own cause by trying to cover this up?

I'm telling you I have looked, it's like a war zone without people wanting to point the finger, so no racist judgements can be made. I can tell you with 100% confidence, Swedes in Malmo are not attacking muslims with Grenades, Somalians and Bosnians, are in a 'gang war' according to the Swedish Prime Minister, although he leaves out the ethnicity, like it has fallen out of the sky.

150 grenade attacks in 2015, but no public introspection, that is insane, fucking insane. You have to go to nasty right wing types to get a commentary on it. The Swedish PM is more concerned about identifying hate speech.

I'm actually glad you brought this topic up for me to research, as I'm just now realizing how spurious the right's claims are: theglobeandmail.com/opinion/swedens-rape-crisis-isnt-what-it-seems/article30019623/

Never heard of correlation =/= causation…?

Again, this is based on the assumption I mentioned above. The foreigners could be fucking cancer researchers, and brownshirts are still gonna pop up.

Sure but what's happening right now all over Europe is that people that aren't full-blown Nazis still vote the brownshirts into office and start because of shit like this. You think that everyone that voted for Trump is a brownshirt like the people that have voted for Obama 2 times and flipped to Trump in these infamous counties?

You want to dismiss a stunning drop of 31% in such a cheap way that has been recorded since the start of the deportation program?

Here's one for you to research, A 1996 report by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention determined that between 1985 and 1989 individuals born in Iraq, North Africa (Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia),Africa (excluding Uganda and the North African countries), other Middle East (Jordan, Palestine, Syria), Iran and Eastern Europe (Romania, Bulgaria) were convicted of rape at rates 20, 23, 17, 9, 10 and 18 greater than individuals born in Sweden respectively.

But the current rape stats can't even be deduced by race, so that's great, we are really stopping racism, but woman are fuck meat who don't deserve policy to protect them from higher rape victimization.

How does the article refute Norways rape stats that every single rape in Oslo was commited by an immigrant from Middle East and Africa.

youtube.com/watch?v=SekSsdTUy40

That is the Police chief of Oslo.
Tell me how the article you posted challenges any of these facts, and do you honestly even give a shit about the victims, other than they are inconvenient to how you would prefer the world to be?

Europeans grossly overestimate the amount of Muslims among them, so like I said it doesn't matter how many are there and what they do. theguardian.com/society/datablog/2016/dec/13/europeans-massively-overestimate-muslim-population-poll-shows

No, I don't. Trump's victory was largely inspired by a combination of Clinton's horrendous history/strategy, and the perception that Trump will be good for the working class because he's supposedly anti-TPP. The swing states that got him victory were factory havens of the working class, that couldn't give two shits about immigration.

I'm not seeing 20xx anywhere here. We're talking about the current influx of foreigners, and you're trying to quote something from the 80s.

Staggering fucking claim, so I'm sure you have ironclad evidence for it…

…and instead you give me some subtitled video of the police chief. Do you just believe every word that comes out of an officer's mouth…? You do realize that such a staggering claim like "100% of rapes were done by MENA peoples" needs more than this, right?

Ironic considering it's Holla Forums who condones rape, until it can be used for political points.

So basically you refuse to believe the report because you don't like it.It's one of the only fucking reports you clown that gives us racial break down, and is official, how could the rape stats from that period not be relevant when the influx is from exactly the same areas and cultures, and the Norwegian stats show African and Middle Eastern men commiting the vast majority of violent rapes in the street.

The current Swedish rape stats are a disgrace because they deprive the public of making an informed decision on their own fucking safety. A sure way to know you are losing an argument is to simply stop taking data on it.

The Norway report is real, it was the subject of some ministerial press coverage due to some Israeli Zionists using it to pressure Norway, the stats were not denied.

Championing online panel surveys while dismissing official government records. Can't honestly get more biased than this.

That can't be real

Wait, where does it say 31%? The man says crime's falling, but I see no numbers.

Checked

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Yes, it is real, are you really surprised by it?

parts of the so called "at right" is against capitalism too.

If somebody claims to be rightwing but is vocally against capitalism, they're either lying, or socialists who don't know it yet (ie, not right wing).

No, liberalism litterally doesnt care as long as the people choose out of their free choice. Thats why the world is run my traitorous social dems and lib conservatives. They try to appease the majority of the people by pivoting to and around the centre and they do it well, always having a shallow answer for class concernes or social issues. It's basically soft populism. But just because once in a blue moon fascists win over a liberal country by extreme populist movement doesnt mean liberalism alwas chooses fascism over socialism. I wish i could go back to leftypol back when syriza won before they cucked out for the EU, but im sure once the greeks have voted the last remaining option into office people here will cry about all this again.

You dont have to be for class struggle to be against capitalism and to say someone is lying when presenting their personal viewpoint is silly if not outright autistic.

Well, I guess it is 2016, and we can all be what we want whether it's possible or not. But to be an effective agent against capitalism, one must be for class struggle, as that is the axiom on which the class of owners exploit the workers.
Fuck you, you're silly. Right wing despite the policompass being bullshit is an abstraction meant to roughly represent a person's favorable view on an economic system centered around profit, private property and wage labor. One could almost say that an anti-capitalist right winger is an anti-capitalist capitalist.

So you buy into the whole american political spectrum thing? Where i come from the right symbolizes social conservatism, tradition, aristocracy/anti-egalitarian ideas. But those people died out for some time and everything to the right of jacobins and then later socialists was considered right wing even tho they were left wing and it just happens so that these things ceme to be represented by the wealthiest class in a post-french revolution worldthe merchant class. That doesnt meant that the right is pro-capitalist. What you are talking about is the bourgeoise centre. The right wing hasn't existed for long after the industrial revolution. It came around with both capitalist and pseudo-pro-worker economic theories around the early 20th century but unless you live in burma the world is pretty much controlled by liberals and the left. For the most time of history a decentralized pacifist workers state wouldn't have lasted long.

Dang my phone swallowed some words

How is the proof collected?
I'm still convinced it is some women who decide that dating outsiders is not socially acceptable but really want to get with ahmed. They claim rape.

no

right wing has only ever been a term representative of pro capitalist thought on both Holla Forums and any political compass that at least has the additional X/Y axis representative of authoritarian/libertarianism. Only when referring to left wing and right wing as if they exist in a vacuum devoid of other traits or dimensions does right wing imply those stated traits. That's simply high school tier understanding right there. Social issues could (perhaps should?) be on their own axis, adding a third dimension to the graph.

So whenever someone on this board says right wing, they almost always mean pro-capitalist. Otherwise, they'll probably say "actually reactionary".

In other words, pay us money to keep you in the bubble, while we accept assholes and let society view us through their actions. Flawless strategy.