What do you think of hamas, Holla Forums?

what do you think of hamas, Holla Forums?

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Freedom fighters against the Zionist porkies but I don't like how they treat their women. I would prefer a more atheist-feminist Islam.

One more thing. If you don't agree with a Free Palestine you are an enemy of the Lions of Rojava.

not only shit tier ideologically, but also shit tier fighters

just let fighting Israel to Hezbollah you fucking amateurs

essentially worthless, but great for the Israeli gov. Poses enough of a threat to spook the population into acceptance of the apartheid state but not enough of a threat to ever seriously damage Israel

preferred the days of the PLO being the Palestinian resistance tbh

fascists fighting fascists

Get out of here you bio-politic idpoler.

The al Qassam brigade held their own against IDF in 2014. Like in Shuja'iyya.

could be better I'll tell you what

What the fuck is this shit? Feminism and Communism are very similar because women are the exploited class by the patriarchy. Don't forget too that women hold up half of the sky. We need to liberate Muslim women from the patriarchy that is current Islam and educate them. We need go have a dialogue and brainstorm some ideas that can lead to a better and more equal Islam for not only women but children, LGBTQ, Christians, Jews, etc.

At this point they're either useful idiots or full on false flag bearers.

There is no reason to reform Islam since it`s just easier to get people out of religion. Look at religiosity in China or East Germany. Estonia is a good example too.

Reforming Islam is one of the most important things we can do this generation. I mean look at how much power we have. We got the Church to accept women ministers and marry gays. Now we have to keep pushing Catholicism. I have a good feeling about this pope who forgives abortions lol.

But on Islam, we need to liberate the women and end child marriages. We need to stop honor killings and discourage Sharia law.

They have no hope.Once we take control of the state religion will start to die out naturally.

Besides, religion is reactionary at its core. It needs to be destroyed, preferably by social engineering.

I heard Christianity was growing in China. Religion makes it hard to achieve a perfect world. Violence will not solve it and only encourage them more to practice it. So we must do the opposite. Love them and show them why religion is bad. This will take generations. Slowly but surely we can do it.

They kill communists in Gaza

You heard wrong then. They are losing popularity due to the fact that party controls the clergy in churches of China.

Yes, we love them by banning worship on public. We love them by banning religious literature. We love them by destroying their houses of worship. We love them by disconnecting them form their bourgeois-reactionary heritage. We love them by suppressing dissent form religious factions.

/egy/ here ,hamas's only redeeming quality is fighting zionists, however they follow a for of saudi wahabism like the Muslim brotherhood and therefore can be very harmful to society as a whole if not properly contained wahabism end goal is to rule the world or die a martyr , the islamic religion need to stop being ideological and become a set of prayers and worship, without allowing it to govern society, look at saudi arabia, it's governed by wahabism and it's shit.

the problem is that those fucktards think that their way of life superior to every other way of living because it was given by allah, and they will fight to protect it.

in order to not cause a shitstorm in the muslim world, change has to be introduced gradually and over the course of many years while leaving them a measure of harmless tradition.

but sadly they are the only ones fighting zionist israel at this point and must be regarded as allies till victory and free palastine.

the only ones in Palestine fighting Israel is what I mean

what's the reaction to the bombing of the coptic church been like in Egypt comrade?

they're shit but they're only popular because the PLO sold out to israel.

there is demonstration infront of the church by muslims and christians, many think it's a false flag and el sisi's government is involved in a plot to consolidate power .

The doors to the church was very tightly secured, there was an x-ray device and an electronic gate, and many intelligence officers and soldiers outside.

it remains a mystery how the bomber got in.
they make a bullshit story about how the bomber was a woman that hid massive amounts of TNT in her clothes without triggering the sensors, or another bullshit stories about how the officers and soldiers went to have breakfast, which is also stupid since I know they don't I pass by there everyday on my may to college and they are not allowed to leave their posts.

Some seem to think that it's the terrorists and we can't really tell at this point , but they probably protest for some days and then nothing will happen. we will see

ISIS claimed it was behind it a few hours ago but tbh they're opportunists who claim every act of violence as their work.

Any truth to the idea that the Muslim Brotherhood was involved do you think?

agreed

Its some freakin deleicious dip, OP.

When you get the good stuff with lotsa garlic, olive oil and basil, that stuff is delicious.

Seriously, I could eat it all day
Doesnt get much better that that, OP

it seems possible that the islamists are behind it also, because they got so butthurt when el sisi took power from them and the 60% of the population rejected them because they want a secular government.

So they are likely to try to jump on any event like this and try to work it into a public outrage to topple the military government.

However they are trying to regain people's trust and an image of a civilized islamic semi secular party, so if they decide to do something like that they will use another islamic group like el jihad or el gamaa el eslamia, which are more extremist factions who with the MB form some sort of islamict network syndicate.
(although alot of those guys are in concentration camps)

seems very likely that isis will try to make contact with such groups although isis may think of them as not extreme enough but they are more ideologically similar to each other than any other group, isis defended the MB and salafis in a public statement before when they started their north sinai campaign by the israeli borders.

kek

appreciate the insights comrade. I must say it's quite surprising to me that the majority of Egyptians want a secular government as the majority of people across the middle east seem to be terrified of the concept.

What did you think of the protests in 2011 and 2013?

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the protests infront of the church

around 60% of egyptians want a secular government because they understand that sharia is highly authoritarians and they can say goodbye to the rights they have under sharia rules.

Not to mention that during morsi's time he tried to get us to fight in syria against al asad,took a huge load from the IMF and was a shitty president in general.

the rest which is still a huge number is divided into salafis and MB salafis want a hardcore sharia rule, MB want a softer version of sharia law, there are alot of brainwashing and psychological defense mechanism is involved with them, since the 80s the egyptian muslims have been going through alot of brainwashing by repetition and indoctrination, many have falling for it, and many have had a reverse reaction and became secular or atheists or pagans.

The call for prayer itself is an affirmation that is planted in the subconscious 5 times a day even when people are asleep. think about that, many many many years of affirmations like this, plus forming support groups for youth and poor people in mosques.
(they only do it for public image to gain power)

but the majority just see through their bullshit.

I actually participated in both,was on the front lines as it was turning into a warzone, seen how the MB joined our ranks and stabbed us in the back, joined the military and tried to get the military to arrest us all.
the MB is vicious, they sold us out even though it was us that started it.
by us I mean a coalition of anarchists,communists,secularists and others they only joined when our numbers increased enough and got mubarak worried.

with thier arrival in tahrir square they started to use the simple egyptians love for religion to hijack the revolution, not only that, but when things turned bloody and we started to get shot, they stayed behind and just left the secular youth to die.

then when the mubarak regime started to give in, general tantawi called in for a military council, in the middle of the revolution while we were dying in the street, they went to the enemy and negotiated behind our back.

they reached an agreement that they can take the next government,many seats the parliament, and got convinced by the generals that this is the best deal they can get, after this they called their people to retreat from tahrir sq, leaving us vulnerable to the enemy attacks.

the 2013 protests, were a try to reclaim the revolution and bring it back to secularism, Morsi was making all the stupid decisions he can and get advised by sheikhs to do .

it was clear that he was not a real president but a puppet for the Morshed (highest muslim brotherhood leader).

He started to crack down of civil liberties, police searches and arrests were quite common in this time, many journalists were arrested or killed,people would get 30 years in prison for possession of a joint of hash or two.

he seemed to focus on going after the secular faction in the 25-28 january revolution.
as a way to suppress dissent .

he also took a huge loan from the IMF which was to put the country in economic slavery and we end up like greece.

He was holding a hitler type rallies, trying to create rapport with the population and get us to fight in syria against bashar al assad.

those were the reasons many of us participated in the 2013 protests, even though many mubarak supporters joined.

This is where all semblance of unity ended, and the revolution was subverted and we ended up in square 1 with another military dictatorship.

FU MB
Cowards,sellouts and very dumb

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Those images of the protesters in Tahrir Square always stuck with me. Such hope and so many people. Your description of how things transpired is very depressing, but I suppose there's hope to be found in the fact that there could even be a large coalition of leftists participating in revolutionary action.

The Arab Spring protests only seemed to have worked in Tunisia. Some people say the whole Arab Spring thing was one big US aided operation to destabilise the Middle East but I think that's untrue and your story is I'm sure similar to countless others of youth, activists and leftists across the region.

I've got no affection for Islamofascists

No. Unlike Holla Forums Hamas actually care about free speech. They'ree also anti-mod.

If you ever find yourself in the same bunker as a wahabi, know that they crave power more than anything else, that they are never intent on sharing it with others, they will fight beside you but then betray you in the end.

The end justifies the means is their motto.
I am not saying that you should brand them your enemy, but be careful and always keep your guard up.


Yes it's very hopeful and depressing, I understand that feeling very well, it stuck with me for a year after the events, the bitterness and how can your neighbor stab you in the back like this while claiming to be your brother in arms.

There is a possibility of leftists participating in revolutionary action ,we started the fire.
but many people were not ready to abandon dogma to do what's necessary for things to work, they were clinging to their blind dogma and the authority of the sheikhs and getting fooled into thinking that this is about religion or even tradition, it was hardcore political struggle.

the arab spring,definitely destabilized the region, but if it did 5% then the US invasion of Iraq did 95% .

it may have been a US operation, but in a sense it was a HUGE gamble, things were too chaotic for one faction to be able to control.

it would have gone against US interests easily, when Morsi took power and was elected because the alternative was shafik a very pro-mubarak guy, morsi was protecting us interests by trying to get the country to fight in syria and taking IMF loans.

So maybe, but we know that the US also funded and armed the Egyptian police and military with new shipments of weapons body armor, tear gas.
So they also seemed to work against it.

The phrase "Remove Kebab" comes to mind

However comrade, I take comfort in the fact that they were repaid for their betrayal and were humiliated and hunted down like the dogs they are.

Another mistake in the egyptian revolution is that we trusted in the election process and didn't try to purge the system from all corruption and filth.

but it's not an easy decision, it would have involved a series of executions and arrests for many egyptian that would have given us a bad public reputation ,if say we decided to dismantle the whole governments and we would be the tyranny we were fighting against.

not an easy decision, but it was necessary since the cancer was very deeply embedded in the system. and people were not ready yet.

Yeah I hear Sisi has been pretty brutal with the crackdowns on the Muslim Brotherhood and such? I suppose that's one advantage of the military dictatorship thing.

In my country Ireland there's actually a bit of news regarding Egypt at the moment. An Irish-Egyptian guy called Ibrahim Halawa went over to Egypt to protest Morsi's removal and ended up getting arrested. He's been in prison for a while now and his case got postponed for the 17th time recently and a lot of people want to see him freed and brought home. He's almost definitely Muslim Brotherhood though so I couldn't care less if he rots in a jail cell tbh.

Rojava takes weapons from Israel, dumbass.

Yes, the MB supporters were killed in the street and their leaders have been put in some kind of a concentration camp and probably tortured.

But this is what they get for betraying their brothers in arms, not a single leftist or revolutionary protested how they were treated by the military.

it was clear the secular faction saw it as a fair punishment for their crimes.

a great number of them were announced "missing" and they are being tortured brutally in military prisons.

I hate military dictatorship and hate torture, but I hate sellouts more.

I only feel slightly bad for the brainwashed ones that paid a heavy price because they were weak minded to fall for religious propaganda though, their only crime was being stupid, for example the youth of the muslim brotherhood and their supporters. who can be as young as 16 year old.

They are quite literally islamo-fascists who are virulently spooked in so many ways its not worth mentioning

I see no reason to condemn Israel (which is full of secular left leaning educated people) and praise a possible Palestinian Islamist Ethno-state that would be Saudi-Arabia/Pakistan 2.0

say it with me guys

Islam is incredibly liberating for women

this is either bait or pure autism.

either way 2/10 you made me reply.

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Palestinian military resistance to occupation/apartheid is completely justified from a moral standpoint, but what the FUCK is it really doing to bring down Israel, or win the Palestinians any gains whatsoever? A military solution - even if perfectly understandable - isn't going to do shit for them, because Israel is far too powerful (not just offensively but defensively as well given their Iron Dome and whatnot).

BDS isn't going to work either. I don't buy Israeli products personally, but petty boycotts often turn into lifestyle politics and liberal elitism.

The only way out I could see for the Palestinians is migration: demand Israel let them leave Gaza and the West Bank and migrate to the west where they can get involved in politics and hopefully change the cultures of western nations so that the politics will change. Let the Zionists cut up their lands as much as possible because it won't matter after US and Russian aid to Israel starts to dry up.

Are they our guys?

a reactionary force to an oppressive force

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"radicals" whom emotion-laden communists prefer to pretend don't exist

Only possible if Iran is able to supply them via Syria.

fucking terrorist

encouraging people to stab older people and children is nothing more than that terrorism


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i want liberals to leave

I will admit I am biased because I am a Jew born from kibbutzniks, but hamas is just another terrorist group spreading a shitty religion. I'm no proponent of Israel, but I still like them better than Hamas being that Israel only walls off and mortars Palestine instead of promising to "kill all arabs" like hamas does for Jews. The solution to the conflict is of course a secular socialist world republic, not ethnonationalistic Judaism or Islam. Supporting hamas is for liberals.

You're living in the trashcan.

Iran stopped giving Hamas a large chunk of aid since the Syrian conflict began.

Israeli society is far more secular and progressive than Palestinian society. The settlers who terrorize Palestinians are just a small amount compared to Israel's general population. Most Israelis in Tel Aviv and Haifa are secular and left-leaning and want Israel to get out of all territories it took in 67.

Just a couple mortars fellas. What's the big deal?

It's almost like living under an occupation that's pushed your people into fenced in poverty stricken ghettos with no ability to control your own affairs isn't conducive to having a progressive, tolerant society.

And we should encourage such a society by supporting hamas? There are leftist groups in both countries we could support over hamas or Israel.

Don't try to weasel out of your Israeli apologetics by turning it around on me. You don't know what I support.

Israeli society can't exist without the settlers and rightists, there is no clean separation between them and the liberals who do nothing but roll their eyes when the latest bloodbath starts.

Stupid assertion. This is literally like stating American culture can't exist without rightists and racists.

Well that's also true.

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Better than kike porkies, but still pretty shit mudslimes.