Hey bois, /liberty/arian here...

aren't exclusive to humans you moron.

Failed argument son.
Shit theory fam.

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Yes, they are.

You are using an ancient meme that is based on deliberate misinterpretation of Marxism. Moreover, this meme is a cornerstone of your question. I.e. it is presupposed to be correct for question to make any sense.

However, it is not correct and, consequently, your question doesn't make any sense. Pointing that out is an argument.

to be more accurate, instincts are product of experience combined with some innate qualities, to say that we are programmable robots with nothing that separates us from rocks is stupid.

equality is a spook

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you sound like an SJW going on about some vague progress nonsense

fullretard.you

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not an argument

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collectivism is superior to individualism tbh

STILL not an argument

see what i mean? socialists are fucking retarded

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has science gone too far?

Hey Stefan

and you wonder why no one takes this board seriously

he was quoting a woman who sent that to him, and stefan is barely a libertarian anymore. if he represents libertarianism, jason unruhe represents leftism.

Could be.
One day you'll get the hang of it when you actually decide to read him.

WEW

they sure are, but you are too, sir. we are on chan, not place for normal, healthy people

You however got answer to your question, which is even somewhat answered even by you in OP. le "human nature" do not exist, and if it does, it evolve based on conditions around us.
Also, "anarcho"-capitalism is very bad meme

one day you might actually read him instead of using worthless memes. the word spook was barely used in that book.

marx wrote 200 pages of ad hominem when he realized stirner showed how he and leftists are all full of shit. leftism and stirner have nothing in common.

I am an unemployed leech myself you faggot and there's literally nothing you can do about it
"bitch that's my taxes, paying for that head game" - lil b

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speak for yourself, autist.

heh

If you stopped there, you would finally understand that there is no such thing as "human nature" or innate qualities.

theconjurehouse.com/2016/11/18/the-stirner-wasnt-a-capitalist-you-fucking-idiot-cheat-sheet/

nice arguments

Scratch a free market enthusiast and of course you find a lil fascist

You seem to be taking it fairly seriously friend

you must feel so good about yourself, what a great example for a working man of the glorious communist revolution.

pic related

you dont even understand your own ideology lmao

but thats not reality, people are products of experience AND innate qualities, have you ever been outside and talked to real people?

not an argument

scratch the leftist aesthetics and youre no different from israel

yes, but it also went by another name and I doubt you know what that is. :^)

Some of it was useful, it just happened to be outside the scope of The Ego and its Own.
Stirner's influence on Marx is that he pushed him further into Materialism.

i try to, but again and again you leftists prove that you're retarded beyond saving

are you referring to "fixed idea"? and i doubt youve even finished that book.
thats not even related. stirner's philosophy is the most anti-collectivist thing there is.

I think we are social creatures, but the mind cannot be simplified. Simply put, the way we are for a variety of reasons are people we think are individuals but act more or less the same.

In that sense yes, but in most senses of the word beyond that we don't know.

We don't know what human nature really is, we can make educated guesses based on how the mind works as we know it, but we just don't know besides the fact we enter groups to see ourselves as individuals looking for success when in the opposite we are part of a group with no individuality.

This idea we are individuals, all of us unique, is what gave us the system of powers we have now, economic. A vast game we play of winners and losers in the group as a whole, when such distinctions arbitrary in past become material.

are you sure you understand your own ideology?

moron

you cant define reality.

i have never worked a day in my life, the point of (non-ragamuffin) socialism is to abolish the working class

read paul lafargue, max stirner and bob black

One that has nothing to do with what we were previously talking about and secondly you do realise it's in there tactical favour to do so. They also actively support the rebels that would be outlawed under international law but they see it as tactically positive in fighting said proxy war. They would have no qualms about cutting off aid and going against the YPG if it suited them at that time.

Most of these people aren't worth reading beyond the fact that indeed, sticking your head in the sad is sometimes preferable to direct political action in a world already doomed to rend apart.

Yay! You got it!
I guess if you get btfo enough times you eventually learn something.

Yar, it is. They're one and the same.

Try again, mi familia

anfem is a workerist ragamuffin

Dare I say it ……not an argument :^)

the result of drowning yourself in retarded "theory". you will never have your revolution

there are 1000000 different subgenres of socialism, your irrelevant snowflake one isnt worth wasting time on

once again, leftist revealing themselves as fascists

jesus fucking christ you are dumb
stop projecting and actually read the text

not an argument

Holy shit, fam

Ancap and Anfem Cancer combined in this post.

the point is i dont own any means of production, im not a bourgeois

Again you seem to jump from one point to the next without actually discussing my previous one but ok. The YPG actively accepts foreign fighters from every nation including every religion under the sun. If they were ethnic nationalists I don't think that would be the case lad. Give the turkish propaganda a rest would you.

No argument detected, captain.
You might want to give up on the false dilemma between the individualist and collectivist while you're only mildly ass ravaged.

all the greatest philosophers and noble souls of the past looked down on work, work ethic is a cancer

Yeah, you're a cuck for the bourgeoisie.
We all know this already

Personal property=/=Private property

What and there aren't with right wing ideologies?

It's not that Stirner is "wrong", it's "wrong" because it doesn't account for cultural conditions or context of time.

Right now the left needs to mobilize but it won't because it's stuck in a bubble, and I feel that Stirner worship is really helping this place become a bubble as well. Rising up becomes another chore.

The left has been a proponent of Stirner even before it knew of Stirner, and that is the problem.

Individualism. And following for the ideological traps that Capitalism lays out for itself, it seeks to isolate.

It's human nature bro. :^)

You can have property, you just can't own capital and use it to wage cuck people.

We change the way shit works all the time fam.

I will post this until they are tossed aside like controlled position they are.

I wish you were baiting.

I wish you had better arguments to my post then "I wish you were baiting".

Stirner and the internet is a match made in heaven in many respects. His work is really indicative of the capture of people of the time.

knowyourmeme.com/memes/subcultures/anarcho-capitalism

hmm really makes you think

of course this is the case with some issues, but a majority of times, you have to chose between yourself and other people

because philosophers are failures who use philosophy as a rationale for their uselessness, duh

now youre calling me a cuck too. how is this board different from Holla Forums again?

i thought property is theft? :^)

there are snowflakes on every ideology, and i will ignore all the edgelords on both sides. libertarianism right now is plagued with "civic nationalist" cancer, its obviously not perfect.

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hmm i thought property is theft and a spook too?

and as ive said, all those changes are based upon experience COMBINED with innate qualities.

its common knowledge that youtube libertarians are all cancerous meme ovens

Loving the propaganda keep it going!

uselessness is very useful
stop worshiping the utility god user

Full Ancap autism.

There could be, but how this goes between people who believe it differs. You cannot honestly think someone ascribes to a philosophy 100% to its core, they can fall into traps, well, because they're traps.

I find the biggest the lack of need for political action.

I just think, clearly I'm going to be insulted on this, the idea of a "spook" sort of came up again in much more specificity and less individualized thought in the form of semiotics.

Because really none of us are unique individuals with our own property, because we already believe we are. We are in fact not, we are largely the same. While this not being a refutation of Stirner by any means, it's interesting the idea of Stirner today resonates more with escapism in a scary time.

There's more to the origin of whatever you call "spook" than just the term, it's a vast generalization of complicated and intersecting social phenomenon, separating and clinging.

I think there's a distinction between Stirner individualism and the fixed idea of it laid out by the capitalist. Owness is what Stirner proposes, a degraded form of hedonism or the freedom to exploit is usually what capitalist mean by individualism. I agree there were certain things outside the scope of Stirner's own philosophy that we probably should account for though, but I don't buy that isolation is equivalent to individualism.

If you actually read socialist theory you would have understood that they were talking about cooperatively owning the means of production, workers etc, and not about taking peoples homes or tooth brushes away.

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Didn't really refute my point did you
memegenerator.net/Anarchist-Capitalist

It's not just me who thinks your a meme the entire internet does. What a shame to think you entire economic system would become nothing but a joke.

even if stirner was an individualist in the (capitalist) sense you're thinking of, this still wouldn't be an argument

the way i interpret stirner in a traditional leftist context is that you should adopt your ideals because they benefit you, and not because you have some kind of undying love for the proleteriat. yes, it is true that stirner says that every ideal is a spook but that doesn't mean you can't use one as a tool for your liberation. besides, identifying yourself directly with your beliefs is stupid

also, if you unironically believe left vs right equals collectivism vs individualism u shuld kill urself fam :^)

that's how you'd perceive it actually, if your eyes adjust to the light.

to the OP,

Well, technological advancements have been made outside competetition between private individuals, and progress is collective in nature "I stand on the shoulders of giants" and so on
And as for your second statement, it's just kind of vague and doesn't really follow from the rest. I could easily say progress goes away from anarchism to achieve higher levels of mass organization
capitalism won't work in the long run anyway unless you're cool with the extermination of 95% of humanity when automation makes them useless for generating profit.

I think ideological traps do exist, but that goes for any philosophy so I'm not sure how Stirner is any different in that regard. Capitalist could just as easily pervert collectivism. Also, the number of things that can be subsumed into the spectacle seem to be infinite. If mass media could find a way to sell people collectivism under capitalism, it would. Some inspiration needs to spark in the individual first before political action can take place.

I don't know enough about semiotics to know what you're referring to, I think.

The uniqueness makes us all blend together, is what you're saying, right? I agree if that's the case. There's almost commandment these days to be unique. But I still feel like this is the "unique" in service to the spectacle. It lacks the autonomy that Stirner valued.

This might all be true, but I'm not sure how it makes it less of a spook. I think spooks can be very complicated things, too.

Don't we already live in anarcho-capitalism?
If you consider the government as a corporation where you must pay rent to live and work on its land, it is not a fundamentally different system. Except the western landowning corporations just gives its consumers a voice in some way.
We can construct an anarchocapitalist society that is, in essence, exactly the same as current society. Similar to how we generally compare it as not fundamentally different from feudalism.
We must conclude that, rigorously spoken, anarchocapitalism does not mean anything on itself.
It is merely a tendency that works against a specific kind of corporate construction.

Turkroach detected

Mein Gott that chick is my unicorn for realz

Don't objectify chicks too much but I'm a little drunk and hot damn

Look OP the problem with anarcho-capitalism is that the state is its self simply tools used in class struggle. Classes are inherent to Capitalism, class struggle is inherent to Capitalism (employer wants lowest wages possible, employee wants highest), thus a state is inherent to Capitalism, as even if you dont CALL it a state, the tools used to ease class struggle in one way or the other will always be employed, because it is in the interest of the property owners to use them.

And thus, anarcho-capitalism BTFO'ed.

That's ours friendo, some faggot just shopped a watermark into the thing.

Thanks for letting us know u r a cuckt

I want to impregnate her.

I'm only here for the huge Jew boobs

Post more pls

Why is K-ON so popular on Holla Forums?

right in the feels boy

Would Communists be allowed to exist in an Ancap society?

I love you, Holla Forums.

Nope. See the thing about anarcho-capitalism is that it is only anarchic in name. Ancap society is like one big giant Homeowner's Association but worse. Also most ancaps are just closet fascists like pic related so that doesn't help either.