The Holla Forums Popular Front

For how long?
Nothing lasts forever; you're only prolonging the inevitable extinction of our kind and slapping a "GREAT JOB!" sticker on it to feel better about your own shit life.
Everything you've ever done, everything I've ever done, everything everyone has ever done amounts to dick in the cosmic scale.
FTFY

Proles with flags represent!

You're from there, why don't you tell us.

Yeah, I'll admit it was pretty hasty on my part to word that the way I did. I'll admit I'm not the most well versed in anarcho-primitivism and I might have made that statement based on false ideas, I mostly included it to keep out anti-technology terrorists and people who would force others to die of preventable diseases because of "muh natural selection." I don't know how prominent these attitudes really are in anpriv circles, I've definately seen them advocated by anpriv posters on Holla Forums in the past but I guess I'd be a fool to base my perceptions of anything on Holla Forums.

It's like this bot is cucking itself. Seems especially concentrated here moreso then other boards.

Primitivists are fucking stupid as hell. I'd rather work with Natbols and Staßerists.

how bad are your hands shaking right now shill?

they both suck dick

It's posts are impossible to mistake for real posts and it isn't even pumping out spam very fast. Pretty lame attack, to be honest.

no more feet triggers please!

wtf

damn.
that second girl from the left. You can basically see the formation of her fuckin muff right there lol. like less than an inch away from her pussy lips. wtf

It can get confusing TBF. I wonder if anyone actually new has shown up? Maybe everyone is off raiding 4pol again?

It helps to have flags BTW.

well people that vote conservative have higher average income.

It's really not. If I refuse to give up my wealth you either take it forcibly violating my personal rights or let me have it and now I'm richer than everyone else

You need economic freedom to have personal freedom

You can't be rich when you got someone making money off your work fam. I know you're a bot, but the fact no one has figured this out is quite frustrating.

height*(bottom+top)/2 = 70

durr so hard to use formulerr

If this thread becomes unsalvagable, I'm going to cap the important posts. For the revolution.

This Man Does *Not* Take Shit

faggot.

Nigger

Great idea, comrade. I'll do the same. I obviously posted this at a less than ideal time, but had the inspiration and the time so I figured there'd be no harm in getting some reception so I could refine the OP for a new thread once the bots calm down. By the way, any name ideas?

Nope.

Per the leaders of the South, per their declarations, per their laws: succession was about slavery.

This cannot be argued against. It is fact. You are wrong. All that we have to do is read what they wrote.

The civil war was about exactly one thing: slavery.

And the proof is linked right above you.

Stop indulging your romanticized bullshit.

You are simply wrong.

Pretty much. The moment these parasite leave the first world, we can finally fucking heal. I know you're probably the bot, but this is a pretty good post.

Good idea.

You mean like extending the hive mind everywhere and operate under an organisation name? I'm down for that.

well ill be damned

OP remake this thread once bui is banished

right now is hopeless

Glad to hear it, comrade! And that's the general idea, yeah, to create a mass, international, decentralized movement / organization of leftists working together to fight an all fronts struggle for their common goals, free from the dogmas, cultural ideas, and historical baggage of modern leftism.

I intend to, but I don't see the harm in continuing this one, even if there isn't an ideal amount of contribution.

What about the possibility of militancy?

I think I might know what you're asking, but could you elabourate?

Well to be clear I am not saying the whole of the front should be a militia.Let's say a sect wants to be militant and move the group as whole towards that direction but there is also those who want to keep it wholly nonviolent what should be done?

Great question. The degree militancy will be permitted initially will have to be figured out once we establish a core group and start drafting the constitution. I'm thinking that, in the interest of winning hearts and minds and fighting the cultural war, which should be our largest focus in the groups early stages, the constitution should probably be anti-militancy in the beginning. The left is far from ready to militarize right now, meaning that we would risk alienation by promoting militancy or violence in the beginning for nothing.

Once the wheels start turning, if people feel ready and begin wanting to militarize, I see a couple options. I think the initial constitution should aim to be comprehensive and final to prevent co-opting of the movement. However, nothing is really stopping anyone from publishing an ammended constitution under a different name. We obviously have to plan so that this doen't lead to co-opting and sectarian conflict, but in the case you gave I think this could be used to the advantage of the movement. A new seperate but related militaristic organization could be built on the same framework, and have access to much of the same network. Perhaps the constitution of the original organization should include caveats outlining the relationship between the original organization and the militaristic splinter group, allowing them to maintain a safe distance from each other so the original organization can continue to claim a relatively "pacifistic" image, but still foster a degree of mutual co-operation. Another option would be to just draft two constitutions side-by-side initially, but since as I said, I think we have a way to go before militarization will even be an issue, this seems like a bit of a waste of currently very limited resources.

There are other models I think could give the same effect, such as having a militaristic "organization" and a separate but related "cultural movement," or having the more friendly, "public relations" type branch of the organization kind of "wrapped in" the more militant branch, if that makes any sense. Kind of a Scientology for leftism. But ultimately I don't think the specifics are going to matter for awhile. I'd love to hear anyone else's ideas on this matter.

Popular Fronts sound cool but they always fall apart rapidly

No offense comrade, but this kind of defeatism is non-constructive and only serves to demoralize. If Popular Fronts always fall apart, why not study the history of notable Popular Fronts that fell apart, analyze their failures and how their downfall could have been prevented, and come here to share your findings with your comrades so we can all figure out how to prevent ourselves from meeting the same fate? I'd already planned on doing this myself once things started to get moving a little. The kind of defeatism I see in this post and so often on this board are a huge part of the reason I believe having a Popular Front is so important.

I'm turning in for the night, comrades. Please keep this thread alive with suggestions, discussion, questions, and sick name ideas. Long live the Popular Front!

Were to start the front? I mean were to propagandize it self?

Just throwing something out there:
UFONL
Unified Front Of the Non-regressive Left

you need to kill yourself, right now.

fuck off OP

If we're appealing to the masses we need to make leftist more accessible. This means abandoning soviet aesthetic and communist lexicon (eg call proletariats workers).
If we're going to organize should we create a discord/IRC or something? Or should we focus on public discussion on normalfag sites?

Produce appealing and easy to share propaganda. Appeal to their sense of alienation, and let the normalfags spread the message.

Anywhere and everywhere.

This will automatically associate us with MRAs and such groups, which will scare away the more reasonable feminists and related types. This isn't what we're aiming for. Also, focusing on that aspect just seems like bad "branding," for lack of a better term.

I never said this, and I certainly don't believe it. You misunderstand, comrade.

I wholly agree, comrade. And I figure most serious discussion should happen in the thread, where it's more publicly viable and easily recorded for the future. However, I think some sort of chat is a great idea for getting to know each other and refining ideas with others before making posts in the thread. Unfortunately I've never set up a chat room before, so either someone with more experience will have to set it up or it'll have to wait for another day when I have the time to figure it out.

Hey look another nationalist with anger issues. Are the two connected, very likely.

Have fun with your zekret klub while you can

Oh shit, they're onto us! Better quit while we're ahead boys, lest these scary Aryan tough guys come invade our safe space with dangerous, uncomfortable truths.

But seriously, thanks for the bump friendo :)

I still don't see why not including fascists in the movement

Because its a fukken leftist movement?

Why is it that all of the Nazis on this fucking board don't realize that fascism isn't leftist, and that our goals are diametrically opposed and mutually incompatible?

TBH this board shouldn't ban anyone, unless all they do is derail threads.

Also, I still say we should use 'class lefties' or at leas classical libertarians.

To get discussion going on names, here are a couple I've thought up and why I believe they're less than ideal.

The Global / United / International Popular Front (Popular Front is a term with historical baggage and Soviet ties. The word "Front" might sound militant enough to scare away normies.)
The United International Left (Risks giving off the inpressions that we're just a big group of liberals.)
The United International Workers (Normies still think of workers as being blue collar people only. Makes us sound like a generic labor union.)

I wrote this in a rush, I've got to take off again. Hopefully there's some more discussion going on when I return. Keep this thread on the front page comrades, for the revolution!

what's the point of this thread

What's wrong with International Workingmen's Association?

Das brocalist.

Let's make a Tox group, and then, we decide of way to educate, organize, agitate.

We need to get rid of the educate part fam, since it is the largest source for splintering. Theory should be replaced by inter-party democracy and loyalty to the party.

I'm kinda skeptic about this but loyalty to the party is obligatory.
Sooo, guys, tox discussion ?

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What about The workers intelligence movement?

not falling for it this time honeypot

I'm really a autist, could you please stop using the term like that? It is ableist. Thank you.

the word autism itself is a living insult and I'm surprised you autists aren't more angry about it

i mean, the literal etymology of your diagnosis is "self-absorbed fucktwat". Is that really the label you want to bear?

BoltArmyMark

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Tox is encrypted but not anonymous. Use Tox through a VPN or tor. Also pick a name which isn't already associated with you.

no posadiats allowed tho

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Politcal parties exist to contest elections and hold power in governments. They must develop policies and implement them. We cannot do either of these things because we are not geographically concentrated enough to effect anything, and none of us have major experience in politics required to grow the party beyond leftypol. Instead of a party, we need to consider an Affinity group, which would be focused on individual work. Activities could be group-study, discussion, tutoring, and many other fraternal functions. This can later devlop into a political party, but it does not have to. trying to create a new party, from leftypol has a 0% chance of success, and I say this having seen and been involved with numerous leftypol projects of the sort (detroit commune, student union, an unnamed party, a kickstarter, and others)

My opinion on reading texts it is less important today trying to recieve the revelations of Lenin, it is far more important that we learn how to connect the beliefs and aspirations of the working class to Lenin. for this reason dense, thousand page pseudoscientific economic texts by Engels, and Luxemburg, et al are not valuable. What is valuable are those works with immensly broad appeal. The Bible and The Koran, but also Dickens, Orwell, Wilde, Poe. Of course regional authors depending on where you live, like Lu Xun or Cervantes

We do not Isolate ourselves within our own leftist intellectual bubble, but fully innocculate ourselves with prevailing proletariat ideology.

The teaching of the Koran is of immense more importance in affecting change globally than whatever Luxemburg wrote in the 9th edition of Acc. Capital.

something I drafted a couple of weeks ago.

TBF Orwell was a socialist so we should use him for sure.

Sorry, not able to get your point. Regardless I want to bear or not autism is still the common word used to refer to my neurodiverse condition. Also I'm saying it from anonymity, don't think I could do it otherwise.
Also the modern use as a pejorative term has its origin in the metal condition rather than in the revive of its etymology.
I'm also reading madness in civilization, but I was already very suspicious and skeptical about psychology and its discourse.

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To deliberate, organize, and begin building the group that will draft the organization's constitution.

Everyone involved is expected to maintain their own security and anonymity. I have no intentions of creating a "registry" of leftists.

Sincere apologies comrade, it was all in the spirit of shitposting.

Saved, comrade. I'm sure this will come in handy later.

youtube.com/watch?v=K3ubUblGZjo

I'm really a Marxist Leninist with an obsession for soviet tanks, could you please stop using the term as if it were an insult? That's petty bourgeoise. Fuck you.

By the way, a couple of us are still on Tox, discussing unforgivable, dialectical TRUTHS. I encourage you all to join. And probably follow this advice

My ID
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Tox
tox.chat/download.html

Autist anime shitposter here, never been a middle class college lib like Muke and Rebel.

I've always been poor as fuck, never lived in a real house, never had my own car and always worked outdoors manual labor for minimum wage, if I was lucky.

I'm not LARPing or armchair philosophizing this shit, it's painfully real for me. I will fight and die if I need to to see the revolution succeed.

While I am an anarchist, I will be fine with any form of leftism that is not:
Unless you get one voucher that proves you've contributed for the week that you then show to everyone, making the idea of having to work extra to afford extra needs aka a sudden hospital trip or car repair nonexistent
Self explanatory, I want freedom to do as I please on my own time thanks much
I wanna own the means, not some bureaucrat
I want roads and internet and air conditioning and space travel goddammit
No ban muh waifu
Christianity sucks lmao

Anything else is good

Well then you're in the right place, comrade! Why not jump into the Tox?

wut

tfw organizing with my fellow comrades.

Good luck with the revolution on a dead planet.

mental*
My english is not the best, but what I'm trying to say is that when the term was created, psychology knowledge was inferior then what we have today, so their definitions was quite limited also, and what was considered autism then is quite different from what it is now since it is not a loose comportment definition anymore.

Wow, ok, always thought tank was a compliment, tho. But I respect you, not like I used it in a pejorative mean anyways XD

It's k. I pointed out more to see the reactions then for being offended, especially with all the layers of irony
I covered myself with.

Primitivists are simply people that don't know Fully Automated Luxury Gay Anime Space Communism yet. Once you know and choose to not embrace it, tho, you're send to space gulag.

Would be just as dead under primitivism so no loss

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HIDE SECTARIAN POSTS
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Think this user just mean climate change is set to cause human extinction. The planet will be fine though. Humans won't.

you missed a character in your ID comrade

Huh, so I did. That's strange, the program copied it directly to my clipboard. Anyways, here's the full thing.
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For anyone in this thread wondering what they could be doing right now:

Get Tox and add all the Tox IDs from this thread. Also, post your own ID.

Keep the discussion going. The longer this thread stays on the front page, the better. Some good discussion points are:
-Name and logo / flag ideas.
-General "branding" and propaganda ideas.
-How to bring more activity to the thread.
-What to include in the OP for the next thread.
-What will need to be included in the constitution.

And if you have nothing else to contribute, feel free to post some propaganda for other anons to collect, spitball some out there ideas, or rant about capitalism. We don't want to pollute or derail the discussion too much, but it's more important right now that the thread stays visible on the front page. Unfortunately, my time is extremely limited right now, and I've only been able to make quick posts in between doing other stuff, but I'm about to have a lot more free time coming up soon and then we can kick this revolution into MAXIMUM SOCIALIST OVERDRIVE. Or, if some anons with good ideas step up to the plate and things kick into MAXIMUM SOCIALIST OVERDRIVE before then, I'm totally fine with that to.

ready for honey, fresh from the pot

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ATTENTION ONLY USE TOX WITH TOR ROUTING. IT IS THE ONLY WAY TO MAINTAIN ANONYMITY

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Where are mutualists on this?
As someone who hates whitey just as much as the next guy I don't think the solution to general ignorance/pigheadedness is genocide so agreed.
Or the inverse, IMO, where the movement devolves into circlejerking about Marx vs Hegel (anyone remember that ONE thread?)
Agreed, because only Asserists are particularly commited to socialism. Nazis generally prioritize their race spooks and fascism.
I don't know about that. We have the same idea of what the revolution should look like. Differences can be settled afterwards.
I'll agree with you there because they want a completely different revolution.
Agreed.

Anti-Capitalist Union of Rosa Luxemburg? She's the one figure everyone on the Left likes except maybe Marx. ACURL.

This is actually good advice. PRISM is still being used and our work is one of the FBI's biggest threats believe it or not.

Generally further left than market socialism.

Agreed, and there has already been some discussion on the Tox agreeing with this sentiment also. See

Perhaps this is true, it's definitely worthy of some more discussion.

This will be considered. I'll put up a poll once I feel there has been enough discussion and suggestions.

Fuck off! We're the People's Front of Holla Forums.

My ID is:
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The creation of a platform where we can securely and secretly share ideas, money and operations with the overarching goal of disrupting capitalism and the state as much as possible is only a good thing.

The stuff written about the organizational structure of OWS is a great place to start OP.
c4ss.org/content/9231

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Some relevant discussion is going on in this thread.

Only people who don't do shit post in threads like that. This is ridiculous. Stop thinking you're some angel coming from the sky and people who have destroyed their whole life in political fights need you empty, superficial "tabula rasa". This is awful.

People who've destroyed their whole lives in political fights, eh? Be clear, who exactly are we talking about here? The organizers of exclusive sectarian organizations, too small and isolated to ever be effective? The crust punks with placards who go do every "demonstration," getting their faces put on police registries and inciting only disgust and laughter from passers by? The direct action anarchists, damaging corporate property so some other capitalist can swoop in and make a buck repairing it? All those martyrs who "stood up for what they believed," their deaths and imprisonments changing nothing? The journalists exposing truths that only those who already support them will read? The academics who write dense, abstract critiques of capitalism that the working class have no chance of understanding? And I'm sure you rank among them too, you modern day Che Guevara. You're definitely not just some armchair revolutionary clinging to romanticized views about the ghosts of the revolution rather than seeking to avenge them by carrying it through. If you ever get sick of LARPing, comrade, I'll still be here, building socialism. Come hit me up.

uploading for organizational/constitution ideas

So what do you intend to do?

Write a constitution with a focus on pragmatism, co-operation, and security to refocus discussion and action within the left on core issues, unite the left and prevent co-option.
Create a platform where socialist activists can securely and anonymously communicate and share files.
Create an online press office where information on basic theory, propaganda, organization, effective direct action, practical skills such as first aid, and more can be found in a centralized, searchable, categorized, and accessible manner.
Create printable propaganda to be spread to every corner of the internet and meatspace.
Create a decentralized network of non-sectarian socialist organizations, student unions, etc., who are able to easily collaborate and share ideas and expertise for their mutual benefit.
Seize the means of dental hygiene.

Thank you comrade, I'm sure this will come in handy. I've saved it to comb through when I have a bit more free time.

Oh, and I forgot an important one. Engineer a social movement similar to BLM and OWS with a focus on spreading class consciousness throughout the masses, without any of the scary connotations of "communism."

Sounds cool.

Neat, how are you going to do it without the Sorosbucks? Would your group be the movement, or would you try and stimulate spontaneous groups until one catches on?

Manipulation of social media, propagandizing, publicity stunts, memetics, etc.

The latter. The group and movement would be technically separate, but the movement would act as a recruitment thresher for the group.

Include computer/game club.

We can't ignore the new means of production for the 21st century. Board games are also excellent tools for teaching mathematics, problem and puzzle solving which are all aspects of mathematics and computer science.

tfw on mobile phone and cant use toz

Anyone know an alternative thats usable on mobile?

Cool, I'm getting into this but it will take a while. Keep posting here and eventually I'll assist you in this.

OP are you out there?

also damn captcha

We've been talking about migrating to a better platform on the Tox, unfortunately I'm not the most technically knowledgeable, especially when it comes to phones, and all the more technical anons are offline right now. Maybe mobile support is something we should look into for our next platform, as long as security and anonymity can be maintained.

I intend to.

Wht not snapchat or maybe one of those anonymous messenger apps for cellphone?

I'll check the googlestore

Does anyone know if Kik is safe? its the best I could find
Also running outta battery. I'll be back later

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I nominate Slack.

Free, has a mobile app, and is fairly private. All based on invites

It's trolled by FBI because old men can't keep it in their pants.

doesn't whatsapp have end to end encryption enabled by default?

I've looked around a bit. I found something called Riot looks promising. Ultimately, I'm going to wait until we get the input of some more technically proficient anons and find an ideal platform before migrating from Tox.

Wickr might also be a good candidate, has both desktop and mobile applications

We should stick to something open source, no?

We might check out Signal then

alternativeto.net/software/signal-private-messenger/

Hm, looks like it's only available on desktop as a Google Chrome extension. That seems less than ideal.

Then ring would be a good option if you need desktop clients.

ring.cx/

This and Riot look to be the most promising options so far. I'll leave it up to discussion for now.

riot.im/
ring.cx/
retroshare.net/

These platforms are all looking pretty promising, but I'm not technically proficient enough to feel confident in choosing one yet. Maybe some more technical anons could look into it. Otherwise I'll have to do the research myself when I have some more free time.

From the Tox:

[22:32:01] Christcommie
Usually the casualty counts are skewed heavily in favor of the Israelis' opponents, where its something like 100 dead palestinians, 1 wounded Israeli, and 20 civilian casualties. For a military op that's a political bargain.

[22:33:21] Christcommie
None of yours dies, and your media can readily dismiss it as a police operation rather than what it actually is, a low intensity war.

[22:38:43] Christcommie
The idea is, Biopower is heavily invested in protecting the political legitimacy of its facade. No one really starts to question the facade, and "noble lies" are told to protect the system from falling down. If this is weighed and found wanting, people start to disbelieve in the power of the State, which is why everyone goes to Israel where it is consistently pressed on all sides even by state-level actors. They are literally recuperating the ideas I mentioned earlier, of the affinity group as a locus of revolutionary perspectives. I mean, what is a special ops fireteam now but a thoroughly choreographed and disciplined revolutionary cell or committee.

[22:45:23] BoltArmyMark
so is this a propaganda war then? our action need to be focused on eroding the legitimacy of the state?

[22:51:58] BoltArmyMark
what else is there?

[23:00:24] Christcommie
My message is, you are going up against guys who have studied your tactics and have poked holes in it seven ways to Sunday. Learn from it, and stop doing it. Occupy was a well-meaning if fruitless gesture, well-contained by the police. LulzSec fared a little better, but only because it was an instantiated Imaginary Party al a Tiqqun. They failed not because of bad opsec, but because looking for recognition IS bad opsec

Full transcript in the PDF.

Is this from the tox?

FUCK ME

Yes, I wrote it. It's difficult, but honest.

Here's my other thread:
8ch.net/leftypol/res/1133065.html#1149506

It's clear you've put a lot of thought into this. I was following that other thread because I know the writer of that piece IRL. I sent some friend requests on Tox earlier today. Will check back tomorrow. Would love to discuss more with y'all but I'm too tired.
this is me btw

Dude it has PC, mobile and web clients, has FOSS client software (not server software but really all that means is it's not decentralized) and is encrypted. The downside is everything goes through their servers.
Failing that, as someone who knows a bit of computer science and some coding principles but not programming per se, here's how I see it.
Ring is solid but it's a videoconference app above all which means its text and chat control tools are barebones, plus you have to have each other added which I think is pretty gay.
RetroShare is more of a private social network which means you have to add all those commies EWWWW. It's got some neato features that I think we could use that we not necessarily will, especially if it's kind of a jack-of-all-trades master-of-none deal and there's better alternatives, here's what stuck out to me
My verdict on RetroShare is "it's interesting and full-featured and we might grow into it and then decide to move but for now it's not the best option".
Tox, ironically enough, fits our needs pretty well from what I can tell, though I've never used it.
The only way to use Riot on your computer is through a browser, but it's a nice enough client so I personally don't take much issue. I really like the channel search, because it emulates IRC in the aspect that anyone who's looking for it.
Jitsi is definitely a videoconference app. I feel like people trying to use it like an IRC client would be frustrated by lack of text-focused features and bloat.
My two cents, this is a decision between Riot (Slack), Tox (Skype), and Telegram (Whatsapp). A major thing about Tox is that it doesn't support appointing moderators yet and development has been historically breddy slow. If we're going to kick this thing into fast pace ASAP Tox won't be able to keep up with us due to that, but if we're going to remain on the down low for now it won't be an issue.

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BoltArmyMark
I actually suggested the Bible be one of the central texts of the affinity group.
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BoltArmyMark
the Task today is not to recieve the gospel of Lenin, or figure out just what he was getting at in the 20th
annotated edition of Capital, but to connect Lenin to the people,
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BoltArmyMark
highly theoretical texts are not very useful

wew lad

Thanks for writing this up, comrade, it's much appreciated. Unfortunately I have a busy day or two ahead of me so if we choose to migrate platforms it won't be until Saturday at the earliest.

Good luck saving the planet when you can't live past 60 because no modern medicine

what if we dismantle EVERYTHING?

Put me in the security committee, coach; I'm ready to obfuscate!

Seeing as there are no other candidates for the position, you've got the job kiddo. Welcome to the Young Conservatives Organization ;)

I was thinking, to start us all out on the same foot, and we all get a good mutual understanding of everyone, we create a mandatory reading list. Each founding member has the opurtunity to suggest 3 works, not totalling more than 400 pages. What do you guys think?

Sounds good but some stuff has to be more meaty. Das Kapital or at least the Grundrisse is a must, and books that BTFOs libertarians like Menger, Mises, Hayek or Bohm Bawerk also.

Economy and theories of viability of FALC should be found also.

So Holla Forums is being FUCKING RETARDED and my post done got ate.
I've looked into the situation a little more and I'll elaborate if prompted but I feel like the two systems that are going to have all the features we need are Riot/Matrix and the Tox group chat update that is currently being stalled. We should set up a poll that has two questions- one for the organization's name, and one for whether it should be founded now or later. If later, we'll wait for the Tox update to come out, doing preliminary stuff in the meantime, and then decide between Tox and Riot. If now, we'll just use Riot.

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Capital is like 1300 pages. I think a series of lectures on Capital is a better idea.

as the creator of that blueprint, you are being far too ambitious with it. We are merely a small group of same-thinkers, together for company more or less. If you want mass participation and to change things, you're much better off joining any of the existing socialist organizations and working from there.
There is no need for a security comitee, or anything like that, and the leisure branch is purposely apolitical.

You're right on working backwards. Anything resembling a progressive stack in the constitution will need to be written very clearly and carefully, as we know how messy those things can get, but having people affected by an issue speak on it is obviously good practice. And while I agree on not alienating the normies with difficult texts, I don't think making a reading list for people coming from Holla Forums and similar places is a bad idea. Compiling and writing some accessible texts about the organization, socialist terms and concepts, etc. for normies is definitely going to be a high and early priority.

That was me obfuscating.

Sorry if things seem like they're going slowly right now guys, but things are still very busy for me in my personal life until Saturday afternoon. I suggest everyone who's able hop in the Tox on Saturday (I'll talk to the regulars in the Tox and try and get a definite time) and we can start really getting down to business. We should aim to have a name chosen, enough preliminary ideas for a logo / flag that we can have a mock-up made, discuss some ideas for a public website, and write an improved OP for the next thread including a list of short-term, concrete goals. I hope to talk to you all then!

Just because you were retarded when you were 16 doesn't mean everyone was.
I'm advancing the revolution and you're trying to irritate someone online because you're still angry that I blew you out once several months ago because you were wrong. Step up nigga.
Keep posting though. You're good for morale, reminding everyone there's someone more pathetic than them after all.

What you're describing now is literally the kind of LARP organization people complain about. The socialist identity and socialist activity have to be synonymous.
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Adding everyone who's posted their ID. Here's mine-
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Anyone can claim to be anything they want on the internet; speaking from "experience" can't be meaningfully distinguished from talking out of one's ass.

Having people affected by an issue speak on it may be good practice, but attempting to bring it about through anything other than differing levels of interest is fraught with so many major issues that you might as well throw out the concept.

Well when I pitched that I was talking about potential real life operations. Plus there's webcams. If something proves hard to prove then there's no need for progressive stack.
Really progressive stack was pitched to encourage people who are shy to speak up and pitch in their two cents, make them feel like it's closer to a nickel. At that, at least, it worked.

You're the one Larping by thinking you are building a war group from a community that has no potential to do so.

Whatever you say.

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I didn't delete you? I logged off.

Remember to hide autismposting.

warning: shitty

ATTENTION ALL

A group chat will be held tomorrow to make final decisions on name, logo, website, next thread's OP, short term goals and whatever else we find time to discuss. It's going to be held on riot.im. Connect through Tor and don't sign up with your e-mail if you care about anonymity (which you should). Room ID will be posted closer to the time of the chat. Everyone with even a tentative interest in the group is encouraged to drop in, so tell all your friends. If you're planning on dropping by, reply to this post with the times you'll be available so we can set an official time. Me and some of the other regulars will likely be on all day, this is just so we can get the maximum concentration of people on at the same time.

I'll be available at any time, quite probably, I'll announce if I can't come or anything

Its probable that I can't attend around 22-00.30 UTC

Forgot to say am Afu

Cat guy, are you out there? You've been gone for a few days

Snow here; I operate the Holla Forums discord and look forward to working with you all on Tox.
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Sent ; )

riot.im/app/#/room/#leftypol:matrix.org

This is going to be THE spot tomorrow to be for class conscious comrades looking for a deep dialectical connection with that special somebody. I hope to see you all there. Sectarian squares need not apply.

possible flag designs and we can use "red alternative" or "liberation alternative" for the name

forgot a flag

we should use more subtle imagery that isn't inherently communistic.

It's going off. Tomorrow. 2PM EST (7PM UTC). Feel free to come early or show up fashionably late, this ain't no lame, show up right on time conservative chatroom, it's a seedy collection of HOT LEFTIST RULEBREAKERS. Be there. Invite your friends. Leave your sectarian shit at the door. Let's get this shit happening. Last one in is a class unconcious lumpenprole.

Don't be a borgie, a defeatest, or a sectarian elitist! Come join us in the chat tomorrow at 2PM EST! riot.im/app/#/room/#leftypol:matrix.org

I propose we make the Swans Filth album a flag because it is totally badass.

Waiting for better ideas comrade.

Lets not reference a band

Yes I was only half-joking.

How the hell you people do not know about XMPP or Jabber (both same thing).

You can use existing server or configure your own, which connects to the network, like e-mail.

Encryption can be SSL/TLS for server-client communication and even GnuPG for client-client communication.

Many servers, or your own server can support transports to other communication networks.
One can have it on virtualized server or real metal server.

And the most popular feature are chatrooms like on IRC. Many servers implement web-interface allowing anonymous users to join any chatroom on the server.

Use free software or get spied on by proprietary client/server software.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XMPP
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_XMPP_server_software

Meeting in 2 hours and 15 minutes

Set it up yourslf nerd, not all of us are tech autists who can handle that type of stuff

Pls don't insult fellow posters

One and a half hours 'til impact. riot.im/app/#/room/#leftypol:matrix.org

riot.im/app/#/room/#leftypol:matrix.org

4 5 M I N U T E S

Go back to r/socialism

15 minutes boys. Don't get left behind. Jack in NOW!

riot.im/app/#/room/#leftypol:matrix.org

VOTE HERE FOR OUR NAME strawpoll.me/11905367/r

Should we use Traditional Red / Black / Gold Color Schemes?
strawpoll.me/11905496/r

RED HOT SOCIALISTS ARE DECIDING THE FUTURE OF THE LEFT IN THE CHAT WHILE YOU'RE OUT HERE SHITPOSTING. HOP ON IN, COMRADES.

riot.im/app/#/room/#leftypol:matrix.org

In regards to militancy, I think that a good limit is militant organizations for self-defense. Also, gun clubs are fairly innocuous.

there are gun clubs in most countries and hunting rifles are legal basically everywhere.
I'm planning on joining a gun club and taking a hunting license over the next couple of years just so I can arm myself (and maybe hunt lol).

Riot was developed as a more secure replacement for XMPP, it's also more normie-friendly and has better clients.

Current mockup flags

The resolution from this weeks group chat.

1. we will meet again next sunday at the same time
2. next week we will have a completed manifesto
3. next week there will be a library of relevent documents
4. two weeks from now we will have a website set up with domain, i2p address, fossil server and riot server.
5. the OP for the new thread including manifesto, contact information, and to-do list will be posted by this time next week.

The poll is still open, but unless there are a lot of new votes and a big swing, it looks like International Solidarity is the name we're going with. Thanks to everybody who came out. I hope to see all of you in the group again next week. And anyone who didn't make it to the group chat, feel free to join us next week as well.

USE A TRIP, FFS.

I feel Society for Class Consciousness sounds better. Other one sounds too "babbys first socialist movement"-y.

I agree. International Solidarity is both super vague and too commie buzzword-y. Something like Class Consciousness Committee would make us seem more like a proper organization and less like a rag-tag bunch of punks and as such would attract people looking for a proper organization and dissuade LARPers.

Well I don't want to spend too much time on the name, because everything is pretty tentative until we have an official constitution / manifesto, but you raise a pretty good point. If enough people disagree with the naming decision we can bring it back up for discussion in next week's group chat.

Anyways, I'm not going to be able to go on the Tox today, but I'll try to be on Riot as much as I can if anyone needs me.

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Every day I wake up and wonder "how much more dumbfuckery is there in the world", and then see this shit. Grown ass shit stains jerking off to pony porn and then using it to attack the left. And nazis wonder why they aren't taken seriously.

/r/WorkingClassSocialism

Alright this is the final one, I'm gonna spend a bit of money to advertise it on /r/socialism and /r/anarchism.

A bit of controversy (like getting linked to SLS) Should get us started and get the ball rolling.

Need mods tho

Missed the meeting but still very interested.
I'm an entertainer, so I have opportunities to spread the word in interviews as I start getting more popular.

Quick question, is anyone here going to be in DC for Trump's inauguration? I will be and I think that may be a good way to get our message out there. Unless we're not ready by that time.

bump

Good. Because the left needs to get fit and get militant, in the real sense of the word;
Militant: combative and aggressive in support of a political or social cause, and typically favoring extreme, violent, or confrontational methods.

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OP here, serious apologies to anyone who's been trying to reach me. I was away from home and the laptop I brought with me was having technical problems. I'm free for the rest of the day and back on Tox and Riot. I'll be working on the next OP / manifesto, so anyone who has ideas, suggestions, or thinks they can help in any way, feel free to Tox / Riot me or reply to this post.

That's okay comrade, we'll be holding a metting same time next week. Anyone with entertainment skills will be invaluable for propaganda. We'd be glad to have you.

I'm back on Riot again, if anyone needs to contact me. @ReverendSmith:matrix.org

SVG based designs

lmao
Having witnessed the shitshow that was the International Socialist Students' Union I anticipate the hilarious failure of this iteration of Holla Forums trying to do something outside.

Prickly_Cactus was gulag'd so this would never happen again.

We are well on our way to meeting these goals. Good things are coming, comrades.

The Sixth International

I think some1 should open up a Telegram group
imma 2 lazy

We were thinking of it, but then someone came up with the idea of meeting on Riot

I actually brought up the ISSU in the chat. Everyone is aware of what went wrong there, which was mainly ambition.

Tomorrow there will be a meeting on Riot regarding the next steps, and we'll be discussing the
Manifesto and Website. We did not forsee this would take place on Holidays so we'll try and keep it very short this week.

meeting will take place at 2pm est (7pm utc) at riot.im/app/#/room/#leftypol:matrix.org

Barebones Library of foundational literature you should get to familiarize yourself with.
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Also, I want to bring up our long-term role among the myriads of socialist organizations. I'm going to be using the United States as my example as I know it second-best and most of us are operating out of it anyway. These can be split up into four groups, I think.
Firstly are the hypersectarian splitgroups like RCPUSA and WWP. These are hopeless and usually have like a hundred members or less anyway.
Then there's the middleweights. These include DSA (like them or not), SPUSA, PSL, SEP, and CPUSA. Most of these organizations are pretty (pardon) low-energy and we won't really have to be competing with them very much except DSA, SPUSA, and CPUSA. I'm tempted to include PSL on this but they throw all their weight behind their pointless presidential candidate and have like two fully functioning chapters. (I guess the Greens aren't socialist enough.) Now, all three of these are paper tigers. DSA is at where it's at because they have made peace with their role as a push group on Democrats, and the other two are holding on to their names mostly. But their combined 4,000 or so members can't be ignored.
SA has probably just over one thousand members. ISO is under that but in the same ballpark. The Greens probably have tens of thousands of active members even if it's less strength per member because of the fact that unlike these other organizations they have a major presidential candidate, actual down-ballot races, and a greater ratio of NORPs, yuppies and LARPers. These are the three big dragons, next to the three littler organizations.
Of course, founding yet another organization is one way to turn 6 inept and useless tiny organizations into 7. That's why I think CCC or whatever it ends up being called has to take a slightly different position. What exactly this is can be elaborated on later, but it's sure to be based on cooperation with other organizations that are willing to cooperate and creating an organization that is more open to busy normies than these organizations whose bases are twentysomethings with free time.

Also, I want to bring up our long-term role among the myriads of socialist organizations. I'm going to be using the United States as my example as I know it second-best and most of us are operating out of it anyway. These can be split up into four groups, I think.
Firstly are the hypersectarian splitgroups like RCPUSA and WWP. These are hopeless and usually have like a hundred members or less anyway.
Then there's the middleweights. These include DSA (like them or not), SPUSA, PSL, SEP, and CPUSA. Most of these organizations are pretty (pardon) low-energy and we won't really have to be competing with them very much except DSA, SPUSA, and CPUSA. I'm tempted to include PSL on this but they throw all their weight behind their pointless presidential candidate and have like two fully functioning chapters. (I guess the Greens aren't socialist enough.) Now, all three of these are paper tigers. DSA is at where it's at because they have made peace with their role as a push group on Democrats, and the other two are holding on to their names mostly. But their combined 4,000 or so members can't be ignored.
SA has probably just over one thousand members. ISO is under that but in the same ballpark. The Greens probably have tens of thousands of active members even if it's less strength per member because of the fact that unlike these other organizations they have a major presidential candidate, actual down-ballot races, and a greater ratio of NORPs, yuppies and LARPers. These are the three big dragons, next to the three littler organizations.
Of course, founding yet another organization is one way to turn 6 inept and useless tiny organizations into 7. That's why I think CCC or whatever it ends up being called has to take a slightly different position. What exactly this is can be elaborated on later, but it's sure to be based on cooperation with other organizations that are willing to cooperate and creating an organization that is more open to busy normies than these organizations whose bases are twentysomethings with free time.>>1176563

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I am functionally a caveman. What do?

You'll get future messages posted if you stay online, but to see history you'll need to ask dudes for the encryption keys.
Don't bother, nothing super important.

I made a better "antifa-style" logo, I don't know if I will be able to make it to the chat tho

Is it possible to make it look less UN like? removing the lines inside the globe perhaps?

I'd like Rosy Luxy to be on the flag but I know that might not happen. Other than that I like the branches, the color scheme and the gear.
Good call on not having a fist or weapons on it.

Maybe instead of having a globe we have the hand holding symbol?

Inside the gear I mean.

We probably are going to stick with the global for the "international" symbolism and this is mainly based off of what the group suggested last week

it will be a pain in the ass but I might try it

I tried it it looks like shit

Fifteen minutes boys. riot.im/app/#/room/#leftypol:matrix.org

Meeting taking place now. Please join if you're interested.

Well at the very least you're all committed.

Wasn't planned. Holidays is a bourgeoisie holiday anyway :^)

Resolution from today's chat:

1. we will meet again next sunday at the same time

2. next week we will vote on a manifesto at the next meeting

3. we will add documents to the library of relevant documents throughout the week

4. one week from now we will have the website set up with i2p address, fossil server and riot server.

5. the OP for the new thread including contact information and to-do list will be posted by tomorrow night

As you can all probably tell, I didn't succeed in completing the manifesto by today. I was either sick as hell or away from home all week. Anyone who wants to draft up a manifesto, or a part of one, and post it in the thread to be picked over is encouraged to do so. We'll collaborate, combine, and edit throughout the week and vote on a final manifesto next meeting. An overdue new thread will be made by tomorrow night.

New thread.