The far-right provides the meat, and the revolutionary left

That's simply not true, we just want to get on with our livelihoods as usual and not have to deal with living off worse tomorrow, just like the day before

I don't think you understand the circumstances that have led us to behaving into the way we do

the ones that don't understand circumstances are you

so fuck off with your class collaborationist ass shit

The problem is that the left can, at various times, go farther right than you, because we have always held stronger convictions. We can best you at deathcounts, we can be far more anti-Semitic (albeit with more subtle tact and humor than Holla Forums could ever hope with every single oy vey and appropriate of yidspeak), we can be far more religious, and so on.

You don't even know what your own ideology advocates for. All you have is a bunch of vacuous platitudes.

You can't go back you dumb cuck, capitalism has evolved with technology and no longer needs what you idealized about the "old times". It's not going back even if you get rid of the jews or niggers or whatever is the boogeyman of the week because some other group will become the jews or niggers or whatever to fill the hole in the system. This is because Capitalism is about benefitting one class at the expense of the other, and as long as you are prole you will be exploited by the bourg. The deterioration of your way of life is intrinsic to the capitalist system and won't stop if you put a porky that looks like you in charge.

It is. As long as you respect workers being able to self-organize.
The problem is not nationalism, racial supremacism, anti-immigration stances or social conservatism. It's not allowing communities to self-organize and collectively own and manage the means of production.

Do you think worker communes would've voted for mass third world immigration? Gun control? Giving money to unemployed minorities that refuse to self-organize and work for a living?
Rojava is a great example of this. No taxes, no social security besides the altruism of the local community, an armed populace that understand the importance of the right to bear arms, reverence for the military and no meddlesome central government.

It's a lot closer to what paleoconservatives want than the scores of socjus liberals that have almost completely monopolized what it means to be "left".

Then give up on trying to rule over the proletariat, because we make up the vast majority of it, and we'll be making further inroads as time goes on.

Its silly how you people just continue boxing yourselves further and further into irrelevance, while having some things that might be correct.

If you are far better than us, then why would you ever be in such a desperate position where you are right now, grasping at every single chance of continuing alive over the years. I said it once and will say it again, just let us do our stuff on our own little playland, and we might actually want to pay attention to whatever your wishes are

Which is why I am here, trying to hand an olive branch at you people and see if we can at least, tactically cooperate.

But I think I may be just wasting my time

Because 20th century communism is over. It is dead. This means that every accusation against whatever government as socialism, whether it be Venezuela, North Korea, Obama, et c. is really a charge against yourselves. Now, ideology has such a hold on the great population that we have people like you who color themselves with the 'nazi flag cos nothing really fits me better,' as if you were really trying to be moderate and extend a branch; really, it just comes off like you are chasing your tail.

Yeah we tried that in Nazi Germany and all the marxist were sent to death camps to be tortured and gassed.

You aren't. Just like Holla Forums tends to think every person here is a socjus democrap pro-Clinton liberal, people here tens to think every s-cial conservative is a pro-feudal totalitarian.
Liberalism, and by its extension socjus need to be crushed, and that will only happen if we work together.

You're delusional fyi

He's not wrong. Most workers in the west are still white and a lot of them are actually reactionary.
They, not college snowflakes, are the backbone of the revolution.

I'd be willing to tactically cooperate

helping you into a noose

You're just as retarded as he is.

kys

Great way to deflect guilt away, blame it on everyone else

I did say that it kinda fits me, not that am exactly one to one associated with anything Hitler's Germany or the NSDAP ever did. Am pretty sure I'd be just another mongrel due for the lamp factory for them

Yeah, well, that won't happen if all we come up with are insult exchanges over who did what in what year

Yes, am delusional that the latest events aren't showing in the 'far right's favor.

Are you saying that I am Venezuelan, North Korean, or Obama?

You have to be the worst poster on this board.

War is the crucible of revolution, not Westernity.

You forgot Corbyn, Melenchon and a few others. Lest of all Mujica, the current god of the socdems and faggots worldwide

None of these are me. Do you want me to associate you with Hitler every time you post too?

You mean like their defeat in Austria
Or are you taking Trump as a "victory" lol

The communist party and the Nazis collaborated on a lot of issues during in Weimar republic.

The KPD voted with the NSDAP on pretty much any motion that would destabilze the democratic order and even participated in jointly organized strikes.

the "far-right" will never ally with the "far-left"

and how'd that go?

Yeah, because getting anywhere away from its base 30% all the way to 47 is a defeat for a movement that's been historically ostracized both on the right and the left.

I think your point got lost somewhere up, I don't get what you mean

It pushed the Nazis into power.

Never again maybe but it did in the past.

Check the demographics of both socialists and nationalist parties in the west. Socjus slacktivists are not the future.

There's more than one of us. And we're not all pro-Israel.

And who's going to fight that war? Some upper-middle class urban kid who thinks "the revolution" is about posting hashtags on twitter while sipping Starbucks coffee?
Just take a look at Syria, Spain and Russia to see out who fights and who doesn't.

what happened in 1945?

And also, what would the far left and the far right achieve together?

That's what's in question on this thread, what exactly. Because the far right alone only wants a couple of things that to some people here are just empty platitudes. What would the far left do if it could count on the far right to do its bidding, other than having the far right drive itself down a cliff

wew

Socialism is the future. You'd better start dealing with it.

The only thing you're good for is target practice.

k den, what are the goals of the far-right in your opinion, at least the goals that you think are far-right and would want to see being accomplished?

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That question alone would cause the far right to unravel and dissolve like the witch of the west when applied water, lets not go into that.
Lets just say our programme 'ends' where the last 'threat' to our 'way of life' ends.

If the far left becomes something that doesn't threaten that, then it ceases to be in the list.
If the capitalists become something that does, they enter the list.

You catch my drift

you wanna debate? then present your position on what would you as a right-winger want to accomplish, YOUR opinion, not anybody else's, I'd like to see which of your ideas are compatible with the far left ideas.

Maybe I should start:

just to name a few

And who will bring about that future?
College liberals with their gender studies and other useless degrees have no appetite or will to bring about socialism or (world) revolution.
They will leave at the first signs of hardship, as they did during occupy, when all those virtue signalling snowflakes would flee whenever the porky enforcers brought the batons, tear gas and water cannons.

Do you know who's fighting for socialism in Rojava? Workers and peasants. They might not have enjoyed Ivy League educations, but they're trying everything they can, and it's working.
How many mayonaise gendered liberals do you know that have founded worker cooperatives or volunteered to fight for revolutionary causes?

Far-right compatibility is mostly based on worker empowerment rather than outright class warfare.
The whole concept of Fascism for example is based around rejecting class warfare, as are right libertarianism, paleocons, social conservatives, etc.

You can achieve a very high degree of socialism without engaging in mass expropriations and forced collectivization.

Our programme has only one point that can become many:
Defending our way of life and ensuring our future generations enjoy life as good or better as we did and our forefathers did before us.

Anything else is mostly a bunch of platitudes, things that some politicians come up with to shore up support from certain groups and so on

If the prime objective is served by anything in your list, then it can happen for all I care.

If it doesn't, then it'll be met with not just resistance but with … what's the expression in anglo? supreme prejudice?

Exactly, never again. "Social fascism" was retarded as fuck

The far-right is about having a strong state led by a single party, not as a MEANS but as an END. The far left is about a WHOLE CLASS having the economic and political power, namely the proletariat, be that through the state, councils, confederate units or whatever, the end goal is the END of the STATE.

If you're saying this is not the case, I'd like you to point to some valid sources which would support your response.

What is this way of life that you speak of actually like? If you could expand that'd be noice

Well, let me tell you that's dumb and it falls due to its own weight.

What did the nazis do with power after getting rid of all their enemies? Literally what every other party does in government, and it would have eventually devolved back into multiparty politics like Franco's Spain did if it had been allowed to continue.

That's the problem I see with Fascism, it has a programme to 'go after' our 'enemies' but nothing else

Having affordable housing, having affordable health care, having a job or several jobs that just about afford your and your children's future. Not having a doofus determine his fate, his beliefs or lack thereof

There is no worker empowerment in fascism or far-right ideologies. What the fuck are you talking about?

I agree that it is mostly in name only. But some of the people who follow fascism do believe in worker's rights of some shape or form

also

Communists want a CLASLESS, MONEYLESS, STATELESS. Fascists, DO NOT. Can I get any more clear on that?

What are you trying to say?
That you don't want housing, health care and a better future for your children?

What happens is that Fascists don't care for theory as much as you do, we worry about anything that might come and topple the little house of cards that holds everything we hold dear in this unforgiving world. While you people rant about the workers and the proletariat…

clarification:

bourgeois democracy=multiparty politics that Spain turned into after Franco

…society. I omitted that.

>mostly in name only
lol

We already know fascists have a myopic understanding of the world.

also

yeah, but not having to pay for it because money, at least I don't want my progeny to pay for it, I want them have communism when there's no more money

faggot

why not just go full communist then? If you don't care about which theory is correct, why not?

I hope you aren't serious

Maybe am concerned that my stuff will be stolen during the revolution, maybe am concerned my family will automatically get gulaged and my name besmirched for some 50 years until communism falls under the weight of its own faggotry because some pretentious faggot will probably seek to wipe out all of his own supporters… oh wait, that's not 'communism' that's just another state-capitalist ploy, of course I have nothing to worry about.

Either way, am still open to some things happening, like democratization of companies, more worker rights and the stuff regarding workers organizing. I suppose eventually a revolution might be okay, but only as long as we don't get shafted like we've been every step of the way in the past

After all, I remember Kronstadt…

kill all fascists, fascist sympathizers, and there families, unto the third generation

troll detected, SAGE in all fields

SAGE

tbh you havent actually expressed any fascist views so far in this thread. Just typical liberal fears of commie revolutions (they actually apply to any revolution), and general normal worries about life:
These are all normal worries, and on this board we believe the solution is socialism.

What determines if you are a righty or a lefty is what your plan is to fix them.

So, what do you think is the way to fix these issues?

No. Despite their rhetoric the fascists/reactionaries are ultimately fighting to maintain the status quo. That's why they always start purging communists/leftists when they get into power, rather than focusing on liberals.

What is liberal about fascism?

Private Property.

You mean state property? Things are only 'private' in fascism until the state needs them.

Daily reminder psychoanalysis is Jewish.
youtube.com/watch?v=JFnu7C8gCTc

I mean if we live in a democratic society and you guys aren't advocating genocide, we could both vote to nationalize banks it something. Whatever

Psychoanalysis is a spook

Then why do fascists privatize industries when they take power?

Because they think that's the best way to run them (aka tend them for the good of the state)

"All within the state, nothing outside the state"

t. behaviorist faggot

No one in psychology takes that shit seriously. It's just pseudoscience.

my man there probably couldn't be more opposite ideologies

Left and right are meaningless terms today. The far left might be able to ally itself with some of the elements of the alt-right that aren't so enthusiastic about capitalism and materialism. Although libertarians need to be purged. You Nazis should consider distancing yourselves from them.

Not really. Anarchists supporting Nazis is not unheard of. Especially if it's against Communists.

This is your brain on NazBol.

pre ww2 the communist party of yugoslavia was supporting ustase separatists because they were against the monarchy

The fact is, the "far right" of today is much more economically populist than the "left" of today. The terms have been so improperly used by the media (and the common man) that using these terms is pointless and only leads to unnecessary confusion.

How's the support for Chiang Kai-shek doing now-a-days?

The "Left" you speak of is Right through and through.

I don't really care about mass-media. Their job is to describe reality, not to shape it.

The post was that "there probably couldn't be more opposite ideologies".

I'm aware but people still don't understand what the "left" is. If you call yourself "left" you're just going to be associating yourself with establishment liberals who work for wallstreet and bitch about pronouns. The word has been so misused that it makes most blue collar workers cringe.
It doesn't really matter what their job is. They have shaped reality. Whether we like it or not.

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Slow down

Fake news. Assange is Russian. Confirmed on CNN, which is very real and unbiased news.

Because dark matter isnt detected by neutrino detectors, so if they were the same particle dark matter would have to be at a much lower energy. Also known as temperatures at the particle scale.

youtube

a party of mice has to make it from one side of the dump to the other

Yeah, right.

Nigger, he knows what's he's doing.

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Too many.

King tried to jump a guy after he returned a punt for a td. Didn't mcafee absolutely rekt a punt returner once? Then he was asked to do a random drug test after the game?

no one makes friends anymore. we substitute the internet for it but the internet doesn't literally hug you

It's mostly Nessa No Rakuen. I only have 18 files in it.

All those things, no matter what, whether they be janitors, engineers, porn stars, scientists, or neets.

Your stuff wouldn't get stolen by the revolution. It's stuff like land, factories, farms, and things used to make other things. It would then be put to use ensuring the well-being of all.

Two words: Giorgio Freda

lol

2/10 I skipped the whole thing. But thank you profoundly for the M96, I have a beatiful 1901 karl gustafs m96, last remnant of a once great society of men

Yes, I'm surprised it took xur so long to find this out.

This has made me curious though, what exactly has Trump said about transexuals that they are all shitting themselves with fear?

einstein was smart in spite of his whiteness, not because of it

if that was the case then more whites would be achieving today, and they're not

pretty much the peak of white achievement was during colonialism. now that the playing field is level, whites lose at everything and even your president acknowledges this

think about it. you lose in athletics, entertainment, science, technology. literally everything

Nah, he was bron in Kenya.

Their hate for whites is fascinating.

It's a total coincidence that every country tried to kick them out, if possible.