Wrpgs

Great game, buggy as fuck, incredibly easy to become ridiculously OP with certain skill/ability combinations. Play in turn based.

Arcanum is my favorite wrpg, but it's certainly a love it of hate it game. On one hand the combat is tedious and it's full of bugs( though there are patches that help these problems somewhat), but on the other hand the high points of the game are the closest any computer RPG has to what a good RPG should be. Almost every choice you make when creating your character will drastically affect your experience(aside from stats like beauty, which only affect people's initial reaction to you. Be careful not to make yourself too ugly though, or else certain people will attack just because you're ugly.)

*love it or hate it

Try out Neverwinter Nights 2

Jagged Alliance.

BG2 wasn't great, but it had a bit of story and combat going for it.

It also had made a great first playthrough which gave the player a feeling of a grand adventure.

Nothing really special.. except maybe for the crazy loot and crazy things that happen

They're called CRPGs, op-kun :3

f-fug

Stop trying to force your retarded shit you faggot

I'm seriously considering playing Fallout Tactics.

Wait for the final patch for AOD because they're gonna polish it up to have the same features as Duengon Rats.

YOU'RE retarded shit you faggot

Shadowrun: Hong Kong

I know you are, I said you are, but what am I?

you too

You should play BG2 modded after your first full playthrough so you can get more content out of it

Gibberlings 3 is the way to go and then after doing a run with that branch out more

Fallout tactics late game can fuck you hard with supply scarcity

also Icewind dale is great, expecially with a team of 3 I did a half elf ranger and his elf waifu initially but I needed a mule so I made a beefy human dude with conquistador armor and grew pretty attached to him over time

oh and elf waifu was wizard for mad spell power and the ranger did the sneaking shit and fought, beef mclarge heuge was a fighter obviously

I personally thought it was way better than BG

don't forget that ending

Use either the Redux or Equilibirium (a continuation of Redux) mod for bugfixes and general balance. It will save you a lot of grief towards endgame, since the game becomes a savescum fest due to one hit kills of your squad.

And there's always Jagged Alliance 2 1.13 too.

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it was alrgith fam, FO2 was better, remember that fight where you reveal to the mayor that his kid was killed by his own guards?

It could also be that you're now realizing that all bioware games, underneath the superficial surface, are the same game with the same goals and companion types

I certainly connected the dots after a few years when I realized it was a bioware game that it may be their fault that it was not so great

I remember every fight in either game being tedious horseshit that I wished would end as soon as possible.

user do you even play RPGs?

Once I've spent around 40 hours on the first one I've started wondering why that one is considered good in the first place.
The only thing left to do for me is go for the endgame, which I know everything or almost everything about due to playing the sequel first, and the only highlights for me were Durlag's Tower, which is TotSC content, and the thieves guild related quests. The world feels empty, most quests are very simple and unimaginative, combat-wise the game is very primitive until you get close to XP cap, it loses to any well-known dungeon crawler where dungeon crawling is concerned. I guess magic works much better than in BG2 or NWN, spells like Sleep and Silence aren't useless, for example, so I'll give it that too.
I've even started a new game in BG2 to make sure I'm not biased for whatever reason and the sequel still plays much better.

CRPGs were known as such before the term "WRPG" was coined. They were called like that to distinguish them from the original role-playing games, the tabletop ones.

bladder's gates are horrible abominations thanks to rtwp and their butchered ad&d. Bioware writing, characters and story doesn't make them any better.

Potatoes.

Every CRPG in existence.

They were pretty good at worldbuilding back then. Characters never were their strong point, they just never were terrible at writing them either. Stories in RPGs are almost always cheesy, simple or cliched, or a combination thereof.

BG1 and 2 need to be viewed in context. They both came out when cRPGs were in a major slump and were hailed as the precursors of a renaissance in the genre.

As such, neither game is all that good either in writing or gameplay, but they were the two games that popularized the cRPG genre once again and put them on the map for a lot of new gamers coming into the hobby.

I disagree, they run fluidly as far as mechanics go and I don't recall them ever feeling slow

What?
KoTC and ToEE

Yesh, I remember the hype, as it's called nowadays. But still, I've spent all these years thinking that BG1 was similar enough to BG2 to be on roughly the same level, so to speak. Instead it has very little to offer, unfortunately. The cherry on the top was unavoidable in-dialog instakill of the party's speaker, which tends to be main character.

Ah videogames before they were cool.

It was a time when they made PC games for nerds. I loved Baldur's Gate, the whole journey will take you months.

Personal preferences. It's as subjective as it gets.

Never heard of it, but I have very severe doubts that it implements the full range of rules even from the core books, somehow emulates a DM so well as to be sufficient for the experience to be comparable and gives players enough freedom to express their twisted creativity.

Pls.

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No, rtwp combines the worst of real-time and turn-based while offering very little to none of their strengths.
lmao ok

This. Saying the Infinity games are bad is like saying Dwarf Fortress is bad - They're not for you then.

Which has nothing to do with the quality of the gameplay, which is pretty shit, and a godawful implementation of the D&D ruleset. IE games are the poster child of everything wrong with RTwP and the reason a lot of people criticize that approach to combat.

BG1 and 2 mostly run off nostalgia. That's not to say there's not genuine quality to be found in the sea of mediocre quantity and trash mobs, but they're still games that are not greater than the sum of their parts. They're also an incubation chamber of all the stupid shit that would catapult BioWare to infamy in later years.

Thank you for reminding me just how fucking awful the romances in BG2 truly were. You had a choice between whiny, used goods elf, bitchy harpy elf and bipolar, batshit nigger elf.

It's like whoever wrote them was trying to warn us of the horrors to come.

That's a statement, not an argument.

If heroicfantasygames.com/KOTC_Introduction.htm is the official site page, then it means it was made in 2008. By that time I've pretty much lost any hope of modern RPGs being anywhere near decent.
Either way, nice rebuttal to the actually meaningful part of my post addressing the topic.

Did you isntall the faggot ass bitch fuck mod?

IE is horrible, it has nothing to do with 'for whom is it' bs.

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There is nothing wrong with the engine itself, it's just the garbage RTwP combat that sucks.

You never mentioned any mechanics, user said the gameplay was "fluid" and he doesn't recall the games "ever feeling slow", which is great if you're playing a racing game, but it's not exactly what I consider high on my list of priorities for a roleplaying game.

Did you quote a wrong post?

Yeah but it's sort of a package deal.

It's perfectly fine in the sense that the early levels aren't a drag like they would be in the real PnP. (There's a reason many games based on D&D start the story at level 3+)

you already tried to consult a neurologist to see what's wrong with your brain?

Are you kidding me.jpg

You still get shitty level 1 assassins and monsters who can't hit shit against your level 1 character who can't hit shit.
With the exception that now thanks to wonders of rtwp there's delay of 6 seconds between your attacks, while in pnp it just would be "you both missed, roll again", making it even worse than the real thing.

In the fucking tutorial.
The first pack of gibberlings or a single wolf is a different matter.

No, past the fucking tutorial.

Thank G-d people differentiate between PnP and computer RPGs on the video game board

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Eh, I've seen anons trying to re-invent the abbreviation. Thought this is a continuation of one of those.

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you are a big dumb cunt

Furthermore I was talking about how fantasticly well set up the GUI was and how easy it was to pick you action and shit and how the gameplay never felt bogged down by the mechanics as many games are today with shit interfaces

nothing seems like it's poorly designed mechanically

design choices are another matter

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Dungeon rats is kinda shit

Trump is a quadruple nationalist. He supports nationalism for you lizard people as well, now go back to your shitty desert beach.

Okay dumbfuck.

Are you playing a caster, or how about a hybrid or a zerker? BG2 is a much higher level dnd setting so eventually you're going to be balls deep in dragons, liches and worse as well as +4 (+7) weapons, 9th levels spells, epic feats and such.

Also arguably the story is more focused and the characters more interactive doesn't actually help when some characters are pure cancer but hey

Finally mods

I'm sorry did you never play the game and use spells and disarm traps?

You're the cretin that responded to my "gameplay and writing are shit" with "GUI feels fluid".

The games having a functional interface does not mean they have good gameplay.

No, I said the game is mechanicly fluid, and that it never feels bogged down. are you ESL? is that why you are havign a hard time grasping the words I am writing? are you some nigger that thinks Promise means "I'll try?"
the faggot store called, they're out of YOU

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lel
but I'm attracted to dumb faggots from reddit

bgs are naruto and bleach of rpgs
entry tier garbo

It comes as no surprise to me that homosexuals like you are obnoxious retards.

is that you're best bantz special needs child?

I bet the horsefuckers at /mlp/ could do better

I rest my case.

Pfft, people could care less about that shit here.
You should of known that if you weren't so new.

fucking outgroup faggot

I am sorry this isn't the hugbox you thought it was.

Illiterate cock lover.

This thread turned out better than most Holla Forums rpg threads.

this isn't you're home redditor, you have to go back

really?
thats sad man

I'll just go back to downloading skyrim mods.

The cancer is stronk in these

sorry fam

You need to go back.

And then there's this baiting monster.

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oh shit, your autistic

Speaking of autism, has the kid who got named dovahkin or w/e killed himself yet because of all the bullying he gets?

Fallout Tactics. Or try Temple of Elemental Evil for extra challenge, if you manage to endure the running around part before entering the Temple itself.

the chink?

The child is only five years old.

Never too old to kys, that's my motto.

(checked)

this one?
because that is some cool father son stuff

what is he doing

being a faggot?

Guns are worse than explosives there, melee is easier than both and certain schools of magic are overkill, like the summoning/time magic combo.

*throwable explosives

Don't forget this beauty

Hey, at least the nigger elf looked hot, and it was possible to turn her a little less crazy with some effort. Better than most 3DPD in that regard.

I actually grew to like used goods elf
no drama like the other two
lots of tsun tsun behavior
I think it's an age thing, the older I got the less I cared about the used goods aspect

I concur with the butt pirate, the other user is being a faggot too.

There's a rebalance mod that alleviates some of the more glaring exploits and makes guns actually viable.

Modeled after a porn actress.

not bad

The other two were used filth as well, one having been married to a stuttering cuck and the other being a drow, but at least they didn't have a history of being slave fucktoys.

That being said, all the romance options in BioWare games, and Western RPGs in general, tend to be shit.

Does the fact most of them are non-virginal, biploar cunts have to do with the fact they are written by hambeasts and beta enablers?

I DO NOT REMEMBER THIS PLEASE ELABORATE
the drow was the slave fucktoy user

no doubt

POSSIBLY YES!
yeah the lack of virginal romances, assuming you are right about aerie, does strike me as projection

oh wait I think there is some confusion
Used goods is Jaheria

Not to mention an agent for the Harpers.

You're applying modern-day senitments to a game made in the 90s. And Holla Forums sentiments at that.

what I'm getting at is, was Aerie not virginal?
thinking back I don't remember any statement in either direction

I am applying my sentiment I had when I was fucking 14 over 15 years ago

It's not even the "virgin" part that gets me, just how completely unappealing they are to the (supposed) target audience. Who the fuck found Morrigan attractive? Who wrote that bitch thinking a bonafide bipolar, mentally ill woman is how you do a tsundere?

I can't quite remember if she got raped while a slave, but it's safe to assume she was.

Nothing modern about them. You have to be mentally challenged to consider any of the three female choices on offer appealing, let alone worthy of pursuit.

She was an elf slave. If standard fantasy logic applies she was the main course during orc birthday parties.

B-But user you can't rape an elf

who?
the 3 were Aerie (muh wings), Jaheria (Muh Balance) and Viconia (Muh Evil)

fair enough

she was a circus act, see the winged elf, oh noes infected wings gots ta cut em off

Dragon Age. My comment was about female NPCs in cRPGs in general.

That was after that midget rescued her. Before that she had been a slave, and they cut off her wings to prevent her escaping.

Or maybe I'm misremembering the whole thing.

I honestly prefer BG1. BG2 has more content and stuff but BG1 is much more comfy imo.

The shapeshiter from DAOrigins.

Wasn't she captured by the actual carnies?

No, she was rescued by her "uncle" and started working at the circus where that other faggot went insane and cast illusions on everything, which is where you meet her and hopefully have the good sense to not let her join the party.

oh the ugly giraffe?

yeah it's been a while for me too

never played it actually
I thought this was the case

could have sworn she lost her wings IN the circus because they kept her caged for display and then wiz dude took her in and showed her the magic biz

No, I mean wasn't she captured by a different circus? A different circus where she first met up with Quayle before they decided to ditch those evul slavers and start anew?

You didn't miss much.

This.

Yeah, that might be it. Still, she must have taken dick from everything there.

that is a strong possibility user, you raise a good point

>bdsmlibrary.com/stories/chapter.php?storyid=9436&chapterid=30124
Confirmed for being a virgin before the bhaalspawn cape to town. :^)
Then again, an elf is an elf.

that's fanfiction isn't it user

Obviously. Canon Bioware writing would be up on tumblr:^)

lel

Anons I have to confess it's really nice to have serious discussion with fellow autists like this

Just mod it so you can fuck Imoen or the noble bitch.

Step up your game

Modding was a mistake.

And yet fun comes from some of the most unexpected sources. t. shar-teel romance for BGtutu

BG 2 mods and romances were a warning for the future. We didn't listen.

Sadly, you're right. The seeds of what would become modern degeneracy are all visible in BG2.

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Goddamn kids

This tbh, I never was a fan of isometric RPGs but this one takes the cake.
I played one of the EE (can't remember if 1 or 2) for about 36 hours, shit game.

worst of all though
That's right, get ready for 60 hours of
over and over and over and over again.

I couldn't agree more.

Not sure if shit bait or just plain shitter. Well played.

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Forgot to mention: Imoen is designed so that she never leaves you no matter what you do, but actually if you go evil she leaves you because "she's disgusted by what you've become".
So much for roleplaying as anything other than a white knight goody-2shoes!

t. never played bg:ee on anything more than easy difficulty

You're just a shitter, user. A punchline to the extended joke that is your continued existence. Go play something more suited for your skills, like Farmville or Mafia.

wew the edge

Now you're just being plain rude.

I am with you m8
BG is a really shitty RPG and a very badly designed game to boot.

Could have been an interesting character if she hadn't been the prototype for Elfpig and every other "lol so quirky XD" female character BioWare has shat out over the years.

And that's ignoring the missed opportunity of letting the player fuck his sister. Then again, Baldur's Gate was full of missed opportunities, especially with the premise of you being a child of the God of Murder. Being the living embodiment of such a concept should have given opportunity for all manner of interesting moral conundrums, instead we get the most cookie-cutter D&D campaign imaginable.

Welcome to Bioware.

can't tell whether this guy is truly retarded beyond down syndrome or just a shitty troll

He types like he's underage, so it's probably both.

I like this game because of how much you can break it.

please stop with that edge, you're scaring everyone

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I just started playing Lionheart: Legacy of the Crusader, but I am not sure which melee build is better. Should I go with evasion or shields or defensive magic? Two hand or one hand? Is a pure caster character a viable choice?

I agree BG is overrated as fuck but it's got hardly anything to do with it being isometric or most of the points you mentioned, really. Most of the party members suck, the world is fucking boring in BG 1 and it popularized the cancer known as RTwP combat.

BG 2 is a great game. Almost every encounter is well designed and very few trash mobs shit.
Also gotta laugh at all the casuals who can't into rtwp.

You can get a mod that lets you level a skill called "regeneration" to regenerate your mana.
Otherwise have a book handy (and play fire) so you can do something in between the 10-20 minutes that you wait for mana to regenerate.
Just play archer tbh, pick heavy armor so you can survive.

Well that too but the stuff I mentioned pissed me off to a greater degree than the blandness of the characters and the directionless, uninteresting story.

RTwP fags everyone

Thanks for the tip. Which magic/spirit is the best for that buildup?

Well, I guess I'll give you my mods On Volafile then, and a GOG games torrent which contains all you'll need.
volafile.io/r/BGpci4u

I'm Currently using the following.

Started playing Icewind Dale a few minutes ago. It's really good.

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There's nothing really wrong with RTwP combat in the general sense. The problem stems from implementation. IE games take a system that was always meant to be turn based and force it into real time, and do a horrible job of it too.

I never liked IE combat because no matter what you do it will always degenerate into a clusterfuck. Yes, there are spells that can lock down enemies, but that's just putting a bandaid over the problem, not really fixing it.

I hope you die suffering.

Overrated and buggy. The main plot sucks because they spent more time on the fluff and side quests. Dialogue is too pretentious for it's own good, but it's tolerable if you play as a retard.

It just has her show up, I did a play of BG1:EE before but I never got round to finishing, so I don't know everything through and through. The stuff I've added are mostly kitpacks, fixes to existing packs and kits that are in 2E or are adapted from 3.5 material, the other stuff is NPC banter, and expansions to quests, and the restoration fo cut content and stuff like that.

Welcome to Bioware games.

I have never seen RTwP implemented well, ever. The games that offer the most strategical depth instead of devolving into a clusterfuck are always turn based, i.e JA2, UFO, HoMM3, etc.

For what purpose.

Wish more RPGs gave you the option to convert party members to your way of thinking ala KOTOR II.

7.62 does a fairly good job of it.

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But you really are a casual, rtwp is perfectly fine and BG 2 has great combat.

In all seriousness, how can you call this a WRPG thread without mentioning Geneforge?
I never got around to finishing 4 or playing 5. How are they in comparison to the best game? 2

No it doesn't, the combat in IE games is fucking garbage

7.62 is alright yeah, but I still prefer JA2

I fully agree, but I get tired of replaying the game over and over again, and the pickings are slim in the genre. I'm only thankful Slavs are autistic enough to keep experimenting with the formula.

You're just plain wrong. I like turn based shit just fine but BG 2 really does have great combat.

There's also SS2 if you need your fix, and 1.13 for JA2 but I figure you know about that already.

You actually have a good amount of content outside of Ahkatla, but it opens up quite slowly.

I wish I could slap you.

Slaps come and go but you'll always have shit taste

Hammer and Sickle too, though that a reskinned SS. Also, there's Marauder, a more linear game based off 7.62.

Whenever I think about replaying SS2 I remember the godawful voice acting and pass it up. I wish the game had spawned a dedicated modding community because the engine really is fun and offers plenty of tactical possibilities.

And I have no idea how you don't enjoy it.

You deserve to never have spells prepared if you empty all of your spells into every encounter with reckless abandon.
Maybe you should stop sleeping in dangerous places
That's the trade-off of having stronger characters and getting better rewards from literally everything you do
You are actually complaining about being retarded. I'm assuming you're ass-hurt that you picked a spell you didn't want, so let me explain something:
Sorcerers only learn spells on level up, and have a limited selection of spells that they cast at will. Sorcerers are designed to be one-trick ponies that can cast their selected spells more often and more reliably than mages.
Mages can learn everything and swap them out when they rest.
It sounds like you played the sorcerer expecting it to be a mage.
Respeccing is cancer. There has to be inferior builds in a game in order for players to be rewarded for making a good build. Sounds like you just suck.

Hahahaha what the fuck you could just use literally any of the evil characters instead of Imoen. This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

BG is one of the only games out there that supports an evil playthrough as opposed to a good-but-edgy playthrough. In fact, the only "edgy" shit is stuff added by Beamdog because they are really shit at writing, further cementing the fact that the original game is better than the enhanced edition by miles.

You probably just played chaotic stupid though, because you sound like someone who can't tolerate basic mechanics from an RPG, complaining about evil being impossible to play in one of the only games that has a good evil playthrough while simultaneously complaining about spell casters in a game that infamously and wildly favors spell casters to the point that every top-tier build involves dual/multi-classing into a caster class.

Everything you complained about isn't a problem with the game. It's a pike with a skull on it used to ward off casuals that think World of Warcraft is the golden standard of RPGs.

You are irony given form.

There are many dozens of things wrong with the game, but you just want to complain that the toilet didn't have a bidet, and room service didn't want to wipe your ass for you, so you had to use toilet paper yourself.

I wish Rpgs gave you the actual freedom to make choices without getting fucked over like in Dragon Age: Origins (fuck you Alistair, you annoying faggot. When I forced myself to play the Gary Stu path Bioware wants me to choose, I still hate you).

The problem with choices in RPGs is that most are implemented around a morality system, and developer mostly assume few players will actively pick the "evil" choice on their first (and oftentimes only) playthrough, so little effort is made to make the choices compelling.

Few RPGs actually build their choices around (factional) reputation, which is a way more robust approach to take that makes it much easier to avoid the infantile binary morality and create more compelling situations that encourage repeated playthrough to see how events would have unfolded differently.

The trend seems to be gaining ground, or at least that's my impression seeing Bethesda's piss poor implementation of the concept. I hope more future RPGs drop the good/evil dichotomy and just present me with factions that embody different believes and ideals, give them all a fair shake and let me make my choice.

Until you get into ToB, which quite coincidentally has the same abbreviation as Tombe of Battle.

BG2 is still pretty weak at providing varying opportunities and options for different classes and alignments. This is why I liked ToEE so much until I couldn't bear crashes and bugs any more. Yes, I'm planning on reinstalling with fan patches and the like as soon as I get sufficient free time, this unpolished gem was shelved for too long.

That's bait and shit bait at that.

And still the thieves remain underappreciated.

There are a gorillion +2 ways to prevent being shut down. You just can't read spell descriptions apparently.

You know, I'd love to talk cheese but the whole bait routine kinda puts me off. Think you can keep your cockgobbling to a minimum?

Keep talking shit about a subject you clearly know little about, it's amusing.

So, that's a definite no on the limited cockgobbling thing? :^) Nigger I can plainly see your proxyfaggin baiting ass, so what's your endgame? Just bored enough to shit up random threads?

It opens up. You have locations outside the city to explore.

BG2 is superior to BG1 - better graphics, better companions, more items, better quests (usually with more ways to complete them).
It does have a slow start.

Are you insane?
giver her belt of constitution, Crom Feyir, Shield of Harmony, Robe of Veccna and watch as she rapes everyone.
Has has a bajilion spells at her disposal.

This is why we can have nice things.
The new generation are braindead morons who fall for hype and will play every piece of shit, the old generation is old faggots who grown to hate even the classics. They want the old spark back, but they can never have it without erasing all their experience, ergo nothing satisfies them anymore.

Stop generalizing so much, you can accidentally hurt someone's feelings.

being able to dictate a tactics set for each character, interject at any time to change targets or dictate the use of a spell or skill, split the party at your whim, and skipping the mundanity that is clicking an attack button for every character in every round in miss-prone low-level D&D are all good things user

Since this thread is up right now:

I just finished Shadowrun Returns for the first time (The Dead Man's Switch story). I'm a bit skeptical of the Shadowrun system itself but other than that it was a nice, tight and solid campaign.

You should play Dragonfall, it's better in every way.

As already stated, Dragonfall is the same mechanically but with a much, much better story.

OP, I am so sorry for this thread. I had no idea it would bring out these faggots. One question though, can I fuck people in Bg2? can I fuck that Imoen bitch?

Yes; mindfuck only.

It's objectively better even in that regard. The armor system is improved, the spells function in a different way, you have a persistent crew and the game is much less linear.

20000$ for some pussy!
GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE BRO

I don't follow. This a new cuckchan meme or something?

"What can change the nature of a man?"

This is an 18+ forum, user

I suppose that he finally snapped

Are you fucking retarded? it cost 20000$ to get Imoen back, and the quote is the main theme of Planescape Torment. If you played video games, fuck boy, you would know that.

YOU ARE THE ONE WHO HAS TO GO BACK

Fairly certain it falls to ~8000gp after the whole Bodhi gets involved factor. But you seriously expect me to make that connection without any context? Fucking hell, the pst meme made it even more confusing.

Also:
This some more weird ass humor?

It costs you that or whatever it gets reduced to, as Shadow Thieves get more and more desperate for allies, to progress to the next act of the story. You get an opportunity to get her back whether you want it or not.

Which in and of itself became a shitty maymay from an overall mediocre game. The setting and some characters are great, don't get me wrong.

IIRC, when she tries to have sex with you(if you go down her "route") and you have to tell to take it slow(or else she leaves the party later down the road, I think)she later says you're right and that the only reason she was so hasty was because she'd never done it before and thought she had to or something. I think that's what happens at least, it's been awhile since I last played the game.

Yes.

Hahahaha what the fuck did you even play the game? Your only options in dialog are goody-two-shoes paladin, ME EVIL ME NO LIEK U, or Bye. This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

She doesn't leave you, but when you choose to have sex with her the moment she offers, then the romance has ended.

If you tell her to take it slow, IIRC that's where the baby comes for ToB

CRPGs are gay tbh

Sorry your reading skills suck ass.

I don't remember exactly the implementation of D&D rules in the game, but isn't that both 16 for wisdom and intelligence that she has would restrict her to 6th tier spells and below? The 7th, 8th and 9th circle are beyond her grasp, right?

that would be true in 3e, but Aerie can learn all spell levels in BG2, which is why she's fucking awesome in terms of mechanical power You can load sequencers and contingencies with cleric spells too.

Are there any scifi crpgs worth playing apart from the usual fallout/shadowrun/underrail?

About to play this for the first time in my life. What should I expect and did you guys like this game?

You're not allowed to post here unless you're 18.

Talking about the 360 version here. My friend let me borrow his copy.

Only came around it now. It's one of those games I just ignored.

Its pretty good but not incredible, its the best one of the series so prepare to be disappointed. ME2 has better gameplay but the storyline goes nowhere, although femshep romance with Garrus was great, play as Femshep throughout the series as the male voice actor sucks.

Arcanum, it's basically Fallout: Steampunk Fantasy Edition.

WRPGs are dogshit. Like all western games.

He's just mad because RTWP isn't as abusable

I do remember building her into a monster with the highest number of kills in my party. She needs some items to truly shine.
Then again, I do recall using mods…

Waht this guy said. I know she was using TimeStop and high-level cleric spells. And with Tenser Transformation and Crom Feyir, she was wrecking golems in melee in the final act

Best of the lot. The only thing that sucks is the inventory.

Albion is an old classic

She'll never have the spell potential of either Viconia or Edwin without additional buffs, hence broken shit like robe of vecna. But her real cheese comes from sequencing cleric spells.

Yeah, but you can give that shit to anyone and they'll wreck all the same.

Fallout has one of the worst combat systems out of any RPG.

People call Baldur's Gate a bad series.
It's still talked about after 15 years.

Guess they did something right.

People call Hitler a bad goy.
He's still talked about after 71 years.

Guess he did something right.

Anyone who wants to play evil:

Do an evil playthrough in Planescape. I dare you. I couldn't do it, I was too invested in the story/characters.

You are literally Thulsa Doom.

my smelly fuck, were you born this way or did you have to try to get this retarded

Stay stronk brother

It's sad that I am starting to lean this way. The ones that seem to be remember and talked about still are edgy as fucking shit. I grew up playing both nip and west rpgs. Has there ever been a western rpg that isnt over the top flame button up shirt shitty tattoo black choke collar try hard? I guess Morrowind stands out as normal, but that is one fucking game. It is pretty sad that Demon/Dark Souls did it good and its fucking Japanese.

Do you really want to open that can of worms?

I haven't played underrail yet, waiting for a sale; how is it?