Pokemon "Stop calling for help you fucker" Edition

Copypasta from previous thread

Sun and Moon are leaked.

Sun Here
mega.nz/#!j1RGBDzS!zcIhl3SC_86tkyd-nUBvzg4_GTdhFQUXPOh-x0DryXw

Moon Here

mega.nz/#F!Fp83GZCI!nf54eMmTLuvZ0bMbZOcOdg

Moon upload is shit. I can't find one in one part that isn't on shitty sites with capped downloads, feel free to give me a good link.

Download them before they get DCMA'd.

pastebin.com/d1j1RmYJ

VGC 2016/17 Legal Mon/Items
pastebin.com/4ddvU5Ai
pastebin.com/fLW3jBSz
pastebin.com/jqZzdtTn

QRs for every Regional Pokemon, Shinies included.
imgur.com/a/EFOqs

Z-Crystal Locations:
pastebin.com/N72qyTHR

There's a lot of stuff still being researched/dumped, but just ask any questions you have, I'm sure an user will answer. Ask for something, and if no one can give it to you, someone will probably be able to find out themselves and tell you.

Thread Questions:

Other urls found in this thread:

nintendo.co.jp/netinfo/en_US/index.html
twitter.com/AnonBabble

Also, I said I was gonna leave the download for 1 hour but I'm gonna leave it until it gets down.

On a side note, should I feel bad for Team Skull?

it's the one thing that makes me not want to play at all

this is like a fucking movie at the start

Do the work on pc?

Yeah OP, do the work on pc?
You didn't even say.

pokemon sux

What?

Also fuck forgot to mention

The password for Sun is lurantis

Do they work on the pc?
Do they have an emulator or what?

The pc emulator for 3ds games is Citra
test it out

Thanks

What the shit did they do to Persian. Is that fucking Garfield?

The dialog options are the best part of this game

Yeah, it's a shame they didn't make its shiny orange

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So only female fire/poison lizards can evolve?

I guess Nintendo really does know.

ara ara~

Post full pic.

Don't

You can easily find it on e621.

I don't think my anus has been torn as bad playing pokemon as today fighting 5th trial's Totem Lurantis with the sunny castform

I still barely made it out of that alive, but god damn I did not anticipate this.

For some reason it's giving me extraction errors even with that password

God this game is all sorts of bad

You can refight it tomorrow.

You're not the only one who struggled with that

Its lurantis

Not Lurantis or LURANTIS user.

So after extracting it, it should look like this right?

yeah

Alright! Thanks man

Kartana is fucking stupid.

Citra doesn't work worth a shit yet. Can only play a couple games after a load of work tweaking the settings and even then it barely plays them. It's coming along really well, but it is best to wait on Citra for now.

What do you expert of a mon named after muh 6,000,000 times folded steel

Asking again:


I just got the fairy badge fairyziumonite X. How many hours til the league?

Like 10 minutes.

I'm loving moon, but god damn the little wiggers of Team Skull are the worst.

not couting cutscenes

> castform
What? I don't even have it registered as seen in my pokedex. I remember the fight, but not being any more annoying, nothing has been challenging than any other battle before or since. I think the pikachu mimic was more infuriating because of wasting my starterionite on it after god knows how many sleeping turns just so it survived thanks to the ability to have a fake hp bar or whatever the fuck that was

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So that would be 10 minutes + 4 hours in badly animated cinematics?

Damn

They are as good as X/Y and ORAS. Read: Not very good.


That won't happen lad, sorry to burst your bubble.

On the bright side, it is rumored that a new primary hack method will be released next month after it is confirmed Sun and Moon doesn't fuck with them or something like that. I'd say keep an eye peeled in the 3ds homebrew threads. But again, right now even in that thread it is just considered a rumor

Sell your 3ds and buy a 2nd hand one, it should be below 9.2

i dont want to lose my eshop games, i dont think they can carry over even if the NNID is the same on a new 3ds

Nah that Aether Foundation President is Worse I mean why the fuck would you decide to make a portal to another dimension for the sole purpose of bringing in dangerous beings who just wreck shit
Is this a refuge analogy

Pretty sure on any firmware you can back up your NAND

what the fuck does that mean and how can i do it

The analogy doesn't really work when the refugees are absurdly powerful when in reality they're just freeloader terrorists.
I just fought cynthia in the battle tree leading with buzzwole and the battle ended with it at +6 attack and full hp. Garchomp counter confirmed.

The 3ds Hacking guide has how to back up a NAND

Reposting a question from the last thread.

I've got a question about saves on the 3DS. I've got two 3DS' (old XL and N3DS). The XL is homebrewed and the N3DS is not (it's on 11.1 and I don't want to update it further). Is there a way to transfer the save data from one 3DS to the other without having to do a system transfer?

Read calmly and patiently this thread's OP pasta


Try and read about it online in other places like leddit and gbatemp until you get the basics on it (maybe even watch jewtube vids). It is not that hard if you are at least a tiny bit tech savvy.

I've looked there. I don't trust myself enough to hardmod my 3DS. I'm gonna have to stay a good little goy to Nintendo for the rest of the 3DS life cycle or at least until homebrew becomes a thing on the latest system update. On the bright side, I got my Wii U hacked so I can homebrew shit on there all I want (it makes a decent emulation machine)

But XY and ORAS were good, you dumb nigger.

Why are all the new forms and pokemon so fucking shitmon tier

Lol guise let's keep adhering to Pokémon battles even after fusing with a world-ending beast

Like seriously, can GameFreak learn from JRPGs yet?

Hahahah, no they weren't.

Something isn't meshing with me.


Koala seems like it's going to evolve
sea cucumber seems like it's going to evolve
Stoner dragon seems like it's going to evolve.

Am I just being weird? These seem REALLY off

All XY have going for them is the then-new "Oh Em Gee it is finally in threeeee deeeee" factor with varying opinions on how that ended up.

ORAS didn't even have that because the novelty wasn't new. They didn't have nostalgia factor either because gen 3 is by far the most commonly cited as worst generation (Doesn't matter if you don't think it is actually the worst or not, it often comes up in the bottom)

oh boi, oooohhhh boi. You better get used to smash that A button bro. It is like that the entire fucking game.
Even after beating the league, I just got a 15 minute long cutscene where the credits should go without a chance to save, but got healed, and I am now inside yet another battle

If Conkledurr isn't one of your favorite fighting types, then you don't know SHIT about pokemon.

Say that to my face and not online.
Your stupid bitch pillars can't even hit me faggot git gud.

what the fuck is that thing

Marshadow
Fighting/Ghost
Abilities: Technician
HP: 90
Atk: 125
Def: 80
SpAtk: 90
SpDef: 90
Spe: 125

Spectral Thief: The user hides in the target's shadow, steals the target's stat boosts, and then attacks. 100% accuracy [Ghost] 90 BP, Physical.

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Thanks for the thread, OP. I fell asleep and didn't remember to come see if last thread died or not.
I will get some more information and put it in pastebins, and I'll grab some new links, preferably without passwords and in one file.

Fuck GF

user, if they got rid of the trade evos, they would be finally admitting there is no point at trading anymore. And it really isn't, since the point was to interact with friends to obtain the unobtainable, but now with GTS/internet trading said interaction doesn't exist anymore.

With no trading, the series would have to stop the One Game At The Price Of Two scam it has been running since the beginning. And they obviously are never getting rid of that.

It's two games for the price of none.

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For us it might be a game at the price of none, as you may recall saves are interchangeable between versions (some user got to inject his moon progress into sun effortlessly if I remember correctly)…
But we all know at least one normalfag that must have both versions of each pair.


I'm fine with just Arcanine, thanks. I am not into airplanes.

Nah i'm good with lopunny

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Worst gen ever, holy fuck. I didn't think they could pull it off, but here we are.

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You heard me

It was hard to top Gen 6 as the worst, but they managed. They truly outdid themselves

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Pokemon was never good.

to be fair, its called "Hyper Dark Crusher" in japanase, so the animation makes sense

thats mimikkyus ability, which acts as a 1 hp substitute i think

Nigger don't even pretend. No one would play these fucking games if it weren't for the new pokemon they add each game. Just admit that they have been scraping the bottom of the barrel for a long while now.
I'm not going to judge you for eating shit, but at least admit it's shit that you're eating.

Nah, seriously kill yourself. A game is more than it's art, artfag.

I think he mean he only cares about porn of the new pokemon.

I think you are missing his point. The artstyle is one thing, the design of the new monsters is another.
For example, how Gold's protagonist looks like a badass motherfucker in the original artstyle and like a crybaby in the remake's.

Regardless of what you think of the new monsters, shit or not (reeeee genwunner reeeeee), what do you think would happen if there were a hypothetical Gen 8 without a single new pokemon?

Which pokemon game is the comfiest?

making a nihilego with boosted stats is hard, man :^)

Good fucking joke, mate.

Honestly at this point I don't think it makes a difference. There are already so many mons you could easily get through a whole gen without introducing even one and still have it feel varied. The real questions are "Does the gen have a new region?" "Does it feature new items that change up combat?" and most importantly "What changes have they made to the combat system to increase it's depth?". That last one is really all that matters, because even if you're a little bitch who just can't stand new pokemon: Your favorites are still in the game, just use them.


Weak bait, m80-8.

That's a neat way of saying "Has been rehashed for over a fucking decade".
That doesn't mean I think they should completely change the way the game plays, but to say that that's the reason people play these games is a big stretch, mate.

the hundred knight from "the witch and the hundred knight" :^)


the only thing strictly worse about gen 7 is the removal of rotation battles.
and no new fairy tale girl and hex maniac trainers, though ghost loli and fairy painter somewhat mitigate that

another thing that does suck in gen 7:


gen 6 was kinda lackluster, to be honest

It's why I play the games, as well as the friends I play the games with. What is so hard to believe that the turn based JRPG system in Pokemon is comfy and enjoyable without having to constantly reinvent it until it's totally unenjoyable by either action fags or turn based fags (like Final Fantasy). Dragon Quest has been basically the same system since it's dawn on the NES, and it's great and still beloved by many Japanese players as one of the best game series of all time. What is so hard to follow here?


Because the core fans don't want it. Go play Final Fantasy.

fuck you ill just make my own pokemon game. itll take at least ten years and itll probably be shit.
but THERELL AN OPTION TO RECEIVE A RANDOMLY SELECTED, WHICH INCLUDES SHITTY OC ONES, ALL OFFICIAL STARTERS AND PICHU AND EEVEE AND AN EXTREMELY LOW CHANCE AT A SECOND SET OF STARTERS THAT ARE FLYING, FIGHTING AND ROCK
its gonna be the worst game ever

So long as it doesn't change the core series then I wish you all the luck in the world.

did this EVER happen, lets be real here.

There is probably an example of it somewhere, but 0% chance with a Nintendo property.

I'm trying to be very optimistic with Metroid.

do guys ever get more than the 5 initially available hairstyles? Also where the fuck is my red hair gamefreak?

I just told you I don't care if they rehash the same gameplay system over and over. I'm saying that the monsters are what keep people coming back to the new installments and thus if those new monsters look like absolute garbage then it will in turn be a shit generation.

Gingers are extinct in the pokemon world.

Misty

She was among the last of her kind. She's dead now.

Well what about the hairstyles, the options this game are worse than xy.

Funny because I was just telling you I do care, sounds to me like you're not listening and are too hung up on why you keep playing pokemon while ignoring why other people might. If people care so much about how the new pokes look then why was Gen 6 so popular sales-wise? A lot of people are trashing the designs but it sold better than Gen 5. Have you ever considered some people like the GAMEPLAY of pokemon and will keep coming back to it because that and it's world is what they enjoy?

Why is the Pokemon community so shit? New games come out, lots of info and all you see is people crying about release dates and spoilers.

I can't wait for them to get the games and see how bad they are. It will be glorious to see them rail roaded so hard they can't catch their special snowflake team until the 4th island 50 hours deep of "walk to this spot, skip text, walk to next spot".

There are more hair styles/colors is malie city. I know this because I literally just found the salon 5 second ago and made my hair the most horrible purple.

I think 90% of pokemon players are using mostly the same shit they used in gen 1 or children who it's all new to anyway.

but that's what makes them hilarious

Well damn Call of Duty must be the best FPS series ever made.
kek, I love the series but the gameplay is pretty mediocre and hasn't changed much.

The battle system hasn't changed, the gameplay has. Now we're FF13 tier JRPG.

I see, thanks

Has been the same for over a decade, and thus can't be much of a deciding factor of quality anymore. I understand certain people don't care if they're buying rehashes year after year and if you and your friends are some of those people then that's on you, but again, that's not my point. I'm talking about what decides the quality of the game. Pokemon doesn't have a lot going for it if you take away the new pokemon from a game, since that's about the only factor that sees significant change.

See

So are there any screenshots of all the clothing options yet? I need to know how badly male characters got fucked over again.

lurantis is a meme

whats lurantis egg group anyway? i cant decide if its a plant pretending to be a mantis or a mantis pretending to be a plant so well well that it fools the typing system.

Haven't played pokemon since Ruby and Sapphire, so I got two questions:
and

Adhd kids seriously need to just stick to Call of Duty and Final Fantasy.

Yes, kinda but it's not very good yet.

Funny, because it seems like your brain just shut down not even halfway through reading my post. Brush up those literary skills.

People still buy it so who am I to judge.

Cry more millennial.

What is the point of nigger Oak? Is he in the game only so that the anime """writers""" would be able to use him?

Same thing happened with Iris in Black and Alexa in XY, both served little to purpose

What do you mean "yet"? Its completed and released ain't it?

he means the game is good and the emulator is shit

There comes a time where you should just give up and you're long past it.

i dont think you have actually seen enough digimon
please tell me which digimon the new pokemon resemble

ar least you posted a neat digimon

I just beat the game so the only one I actually got to face was Nihilego. In terms of design however, probably Xurkitree.
I liked her but the story felt really railroaded. Her and Gladion were the only characters with any notable character development. Was really let down with how Guzma turned out.
When compared to Gen 6, definitely. I still say Gen 5 is better but this Gen definitely didn't leave me disappointed (yet). Still have to go through the Post E4 content so that might be subject to change. I was pleased to find that the game wasn't a walk in the park. This was the first Pokemon game I wiped since Platinum. The level curve was perfect and I hope whoever was responsible for making that happen is in charge of all future games.

Also here is best Bug

Funny, I was just thinking the same of you. And if you'd stop acting like a kid I'd stop treating you like one, but these non-arguments don't change the fact that you value "muh new pokeman" over gameplay, and on top of it you're one of those fags who thinks everything has to be constantly reinvented to be good. Honestly, consider suicide, filtered.

hey guise can I make request? you see I'm high and i'd like you to post some supercute and retarded mons
just few pics pleassae. important

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You're a real joker, but perhaps you'll feel more at home on reddit.

seem freindly, these are the mons yould gewt to opera theyre peacefull and i lawk it>>11238145
o2two oparea fans and theeir little swerd brother
i like them all

Is there a ponytail? Can Shantae finally be real?

There isn't for male characters, probably is for female.

I think that's only after the E4. The see the new hair colors/styles in Hau'oli City as well

No ponytail. You can now get pigtails though

Just like how hard it is to code Ice Climbers again?

Yeah but you're both only Grass-types and not Grass/Bug or Grass/Fairy.

Gladion & Type: Null sidestory was wasted potential. The point of it was for him to break the restraint on Sylvally through some sort of ground-breaking revelation, but here they didn't use that where it counted (i.e., the fight with Lusamine).

They're saving it for the 3rd version or whatever they decide to go with now.

Lol dude, this is a legitmon, and you're telling me it's not?

I'm glad, my 3DS is fucked and I was planning on picking up a 2DS for a few other games. I might grab Moon then.
Also, that is a pretty good bug, I actually like some of the designs in this gen, especially that water strider. It's like what Surskrit or whatever should have been.

They're not going to do anything, especially since how bad they realized they fucked up with X&Y. Literally needs to stop at this gen and just do something else, since we're never gonna have a central game that sells on DLC content.

Considering how they let X\Y slip by with no 'definitive edition' after B\W I have to assume they are done with this trend at this point.

Worthless.


Ice Climbers isn't hard to code, it's hard to run reliably on 3DS hardware, as far as I was aware. I thought it had slowdown just enough that they said fuck it, not including.

A quick warning to all anons with old 3ds models or 2ds: The games have a fuckton of slowdowns and can even freeze during certain events. It is highly recommended to play on a New 3DS.

N3DS are also easier to get A9LH installed on to, if you can downgrade to 9.2. They're really solid.

I had slowdowns on the New 3ds regardless. Are you saying it's even worse?

Probably not-moon-princess, 'cause I was really hoping she was some sort of otherworldly final boss, but they threw that out of the window.

Literally didn't utilize her in the best possible way ever. As soon as I saw her in her new duds, I started hoping she'd become a trainer partway through the rest of the story, but nope; GF cucked us by sending her to Kanto.

Neither as it's a totally different experience from the cookie-cutter formula we're used to. Nü-Pokémon is made for the mobage generation of idiot children who don't care about form or substance as long as it gives them instant satisfaction. That means if you wanted to get into 7th gen expecting a challenge, you're better off sticking to the older gens you liked the most. Or better yet, just stay at Showderp.

But y'know what, in the long run, it's a bit of a step down. It's only slightly better than XY.

Did you set Luma3DS to overclock on N3DS?

Yes. Much worse.

Game runs fine on my o3ds, granted I only just did the water trial and the only real slow down I've had was the double battle where it reached the single digits.

Is there already a pokesav for sun/moon?

It's not pokesav anymore. We're using PKHex.

It's the same as pokesav or does it have anything different?

I'm downloading it right now to see for myself

Stop. You're probably downloading the gen 5 one.

Using Clock+L2. Still lags badly in any battle with more than 2 Pokemon

Fullderp here.

Any ideas for fun and interesting sets on the new Pokemon?
How about sets that are just plain overkill (like that guy with 185 SpA that learns Tail Glow)?
We're starving for fresh sets to play with.

Name's is PKHeX7 the one I got, not the first in google I had to look a bit around first.

You know what, I agree that I've seen the lag, but that's only during double battles when there's 4 mons on the field.

Should probably turn it off to see if anything changes.

Powering up Splash with a Z-Crystal boosts the user's Attack by 3 stages. There might be some room for fun there.

Only if you suck my cock, you lewd naval bird.

You guys realize since this is just a semi modified XY engine that means the game only runs at O3DS clock speed, right?
Caring about frame rate in a turn based RPG is pretty autismal to begin with

But the camera angles, user!

What about them? They have no impact on the game still running at O3DS clock speed only.

It's like they're trying to show you how to git gud or something

something from Yokai Watch or some shit.

You do know Luma can force overclock and extra cache, right?

The games are hard coded to run at O3DS clock speed, aren't they?

Pretty sure not, Stan. If Pokemon somehow does do that, it's retarded. But the extra cache can actually break some games like Senran Kagura because it wasn't expecting it for some reason, while the extra CPU grunt helps with some of the slowdown.

How shit is it? Worse than X/Y and ORAS?

How about you just play it yourself and form your own opinion?

I lost interest in Pokemon some time ago. Not just for the decreasing quality but also just moving on to different games. I'm just curious as to what's become of Pokemon by 7th gen.

I'd say it's better than gen 6, but not by much.

Final Fantasy hasn't had a stable gameplay system since 6.

Trump + Red Card

Gameplay is exactly the same but it won't shut the fuck up for three seconds and your pokedex is now Navi.

How do I move the camera so I can comb ALL of Solgaleo?

You don't move camera in Refresh.

Yeah but I can't get the fuzzies out of it's mane since it's face in on the top screen!

Should I restart the game? I'm over 20 hours…

Gen it in, or ask an user to gen one and trade it to you.
Red Card can be bought with 48BP from either the Battle Royale or Battle Tree

And this changes my question how? Make up your own opinions, faggot, quit making others think for you.

Mystic Water, and all the other items like it, is useless and Red Cards can be bought at battle facilities usually.

Keep the stylus at the top part to move pan up. Had the same problem with Lunala and Zygarde.

Pokemon is dead, even more now after they fucking up again and not learning from last gen mistakes. Maybe, right now, it is in its peak popularity and it's only downhill from now on.

Do you get it in the game or have to go through a shitty event?

for what do you need a red card?

You're trying way too hard to shit on a game you clearly haven't played considering how wrong 2 of those claims are.

Gumshoos with Red Card forcing a switch in and getting extra damage due to Stakeout is a fun tactic.

Your Pokédex talks or what?

It has a Rotom in it, so yes.

Can anyone explain this?

Does pkhex works with moon? Anyone knows how to use it?

Sort of. It doesn't actually have a voice but it has text in game and makes dumb comments all the time. Doesn't stop you from playing like Navi would, though.

Review copy had nerfred speeds as anti-piracy/to fuck with smogon?

First Dark Gym Leader

he does not give a fuck

Please stop. Those idiots are convinced it's legit.

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Not a single fuck

Actual gym-leader or post-game boss?

He's a Kahuna

Trial Captain aka Alola Gym Leader. Since there's no formal Gym in Alola (haven't played it), you fight Trial Captains elsewhere, for example Nuna here is fought on the street of a city.

I think they went with an interesting thing this time, when you show up in Alola, the whole Gym government is just forming, and the pokemon leauge is actually only recently built. As such, the gym system is based around island traditions and the fights seem much less formal.

Nuna's just out on the street when you fight him and his pokemon levels are lower then a post-game fight, and so was the trainer's, so it's definatley during the story.

It's a smogon may may.

wait, no, he's a Kahuna woops

I've been looking over the Z-Moves, and I've had a thought.

In doubles, lets say you use a stat-boosting Z-Move on Splash, so you wind up with 3 stages in Attack. Or something that gives it Speed.
What's to stop you using Psych Up to copy it onto something decent- so that even though you have no damaging Z-Move, you've got 3 or 2 stage boosted attacks?


Or if you could somehow keep Eevee alive for a turn (since it can't use Eviolite and a Z-Crystal),you could copy it's 2 Stage boost on everything. MegaGardevoir Hyper-Voice would be insane (assuming it was protected from Bullet Punch Scizor).

In fact, Azurill can learn splash. No need to belly-drum, just use that. Would still need to keep Huge Power- or would it's natural attack be decent enough behind 3 stages? (Sap Sipper could be a shock- but more things are learning to beat faries).

It won't matter now- ORAS and XY can't transfer yet- but am I missing anything?
Because if not, I might just try a Psych-Up strategy.

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WHERE IS MY SPEEDY BUDDY CROBAT?

If you were intimidated or had someother Attack debuff, belly drum is far superior. It brings you to +6 no matter what, instead of just adding +3. Besides, that then frees an item slot for it and leaves you with a Z Move for something else. I'd personally want a speed boost of something that isn't a scarf for Wishiwashi. That thing has monstrous stats, if it ever gets a chance to attack. Honestly, I just want one with perfect Health and Speed IVs, and everything else that's good enougb is fine. Minimize the weakest parts and smash things in the face.

Ah shit, fair point.
I thought Wishiwashi's speed was too low to even boost?

This is the wildest ride I've ever been on, please don't let it stop.

Nah m8, I was finding a list and pics of clothes for the user that asked, and someone spammed that speeds were different according to each review copy, then someone posted a Smogen link, and the smogen one was posted later.
I didn't find the list of clothes, either.
PkHex supports clothes modifying, I believe, and gender swapping, so you can change if you don't like it.


Z-Move for Belly Drum raises attack and heals you, I believe. Not sure if that's heal then take health, so you can use is successively or if it's take health, heal back to 100%.

They rebalance and add more moves every game.

For example, they increased Leech Life from a trash 20 drain move into a really fucking useful 80 drain TM move that you can put on ANY

BUG

EVER

which adds even more tools to a previously underpowered line when the game was just a single player RPG, which also gives Crobat an extra tool to stay alive.

so

will be happy.

Also I heard that Zubat are common mons again in Alola, so you can get your Crobat.

THE BUGS ONCE AGAIN REIGN SUPREMEME
WIMPOD TURNS INTO A BADASS HOLY SHIT

It's pretty fucking pathetically slow. It would probably be a better idea to assault vest it to maximize wallability, or leftovers to get it back into schooling if you can stall, but I just want it to sweep even if it's impractical.

Leftovers and Aqua Ring as a setup.

Protip:pouring more gas on the fire (more moves and mechanics) and maybe 1 or 2 single move or mon related changes aren't

That sort of talk is what gets your team sweeped by bugs, saltmaster.

rebalance*
Auto correct is fucking shit

Also Leech Life was literally a useless move and the only draining moves are Grass and Fighting.

Golisopod's ability still blows, though. It immediately switches out if its HP goes beneath 50%.

I can only see it being used as an awkward replacement for X-Scissor, and there weren't a ton of mons that used that move in the first place.

I will say it's pretty huge for Mega Beedrill because that, along with the Mega Evolution instant-speed boost, gives it a chance to reduce Stealth Rock damage a bit if defogging isn't an option.

I know what leech life's stats were, one move being made not shit isn't enough to consider a proper rebalance

Call back when they rework all of gen 1-3's pokemon and stats to finally work with the gen 4 damage split change without just using it as an excuse to repackage old mons.

It can be useful when used in conjunction with the new bug priority move.

But that change was to benefit old Pokemon like Rapidash and Kingler which had underutilized attack stats since all Fire and Water moves were special before.

This actually WORKS for it, as one of it's strongest moves is called First Impression, which does more damage on the turn it's switched in. It's also built like a fucking tank, so unless you get a bad matchup, you'll always get First Impression in unless someone uses a huge move off the bat.

Equip it with an Assault Vest or Leftovers and you're even better geared for the playstyle.

Also him having a switchout on 50 percent health is even better, as his Emergency Exit ability gives you control over who you switch him with, which means if you have a counter to the pokemon who just switched him out.

You're not thinking hard enough about how to use something like that to your advantage, he's a unique tank that gives you the ability to control the fight. Cmon, man, you're better at theorycrafting then this, I know it.

Question, in the 2 v 2 online battles is there an option to team up with a friend and fight two other people?

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Can you give me some examples of the Pokemon that are worthless now?

help

Should I call 911, user?

Shupper and Duskull + their evos
finally 2 ghost type Pokemon made around ghost being physical and when the split came one got a shitty item trade evo to damage control and 2 gens after that the other got a Mega

As many examples for mons who were crippled to match the amount of ones you gave who benefited but mine unlike yours were relevant due to being the only actual viable ghost types with ghost moves


Whip your dick out and start master baiting at them, they'll run at the sight of your girth

They got Shadow Claw to fix that though, unfortunately Shadow Punch was kinda shitty though and then introduced a better Physical Ghost move in Gen 6. I can see where you are going but I can't think of others who got shafted by the Gen 4 Physical/Special split.

Do you have it?

Scizor does not learn leech life.

It doesn't work at all after the first turn, same rules as fake out.

Yeah, instead of giving them a lazy stat buff, they gave them actual strategies and niches.

Scyther got Scizor and Technician, so both are equally viable, since Scizor trades speed for defence and the Bullet Punch Swords Dance Strat while Scyther kept it's speed while retaining the good moves and gaining new ones like X-Scissor for non technicians and Bug Bite for Technicians.

This is basically the same shit that happened to most pokemon as the ages passed by.

Magmar, Electabuzz and Rhydon are exceptions since they got evolutions that were straight statups with more moves.

Duskull line was shit were shit before Dusclops got an evolution, and Dusknoir is an objectively better design, and with the addition of Evolite the original finals actually got BETTER. Also Banette got a fucking Mega Evolution, nigger.

Rhydon, Magmar, Electabuzz, Dusclops and the like are all now viable in actual fights because of the addition of Eviolite, which ramps up their defenses like crazy. Dusclops is notably a fuckin' wall, too.

Seriously, if you gave up on your favorites, then you had no favorites, dumbass.

Sure do user.
You didn't read my spoiler, did you?

Scizor really doesn't need Leech Life as it is now, it'd be too OP.
Also note that it's a Fake out with a power of fucking
90

so where does porygon-z ability to explore alien dimensions fit into the lore

no
They're still both shit, dusclops was maybe good in gen5 when super knock off wasn't a thing
And they still made it kinda shit, like audino.

It doesn't flinch, though.

The part where he is the one who opens the portal to the UB world.
Also the part where he doesn't go to alien dimensions. Pic related.

Fake out flinches while first impression does not. You're leaving out very important information here.

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The PP stall was beautiful. Only used the first three mons.

maybe I should attach an image next time

What Pokémon are you guys using for the battle tree?

Saying no without elaboration is a funny way of admitting that i'm right. Scizor's stat totals are actually around the same, and some stats DECREASE.

Who seriously uses Knock Off in a match? There's very few pokemon that actually use it.

so maybe Banette and Shuppet were always shit

Flinching is nothing, it's a priority 90 move, nigger.
Hint, Extremespeed is a rare normal move with almost no STAB outside of Arceus and it only has a power of 80.

Wimpod's evo has monstrous attack, and gets an STAB since First Impression is a bug move.

DO THE MATH

Kartana/who the fuck cares/nothing matters after kartana

Nigger I used golisopod in my playthrough, I know what it's capable of. You're overhyping it way too hard and forgetting that bug isn't that good offensively.

Bug/Flying is a shit typing, it also gets no priority besides quick attack. It's objetively worse than scizor.
In gen6, everyone. Will probably change in gen7 though.
It can only be used on the first turn the pokemon out, so it has some usability to kill weakned poges but that's about it.

Does anyone have a list of wild Pokemon locations and does it include the Pokemon found in the Island Scan?

It's very popular in the meta right now and I'm sure it's why Bisharp is in OU.

I'm using pic related in the Battle Tree. Might use Pelipper and Araquanid too.

So we've got Trump Red Card and Golisopod First Impression.
You've got Al Muk's HA and Passimian to inheret either of the above to carry on the tactic.

Any other new schenanigans?
I was thinking too small Psych Up copying a Z-Move boost.

How tall is Buzzwole?
Is it a manlet?

It has huge speed compared to most mons, and it doesn't need a priority at all. Leavanny has an even worse shit typing, but I kicked asses for the same damned reasons. Scyther has damned good stats. Also, learn to use fucking U-Turn goddamn.

It can also hit with a 90 move with STAB before anyone else, and since it can actually fuck over a player by giving the player an extra switch out to secure a type advantage.

Yall are shit at playing bugs. It's not about pure power, it's about status effects and dirty tricks. Bugs are fast, they can exploit a bunch of solid tactics and with shit like Leech Life they now can drain you to death.

A good bug specialist or someone who uses bugs understands that brute force isn't how they play. it's about "annoying" your opponent and making them panic, or cornering your opponent and taking advantage of his fuckups.

7'10", 735.5 lbs.

Pick one

So these ultra beasts or whatever (like that swole as fuck red bug thing), they have a random chance of appearing when I evolve something? Like, I could take a ratata and try to evolve it, but I could get one of them instead?
Also, if badges are gone, how the hell does the story work? I understand you're the champion by the end, but the champion of what if there aren't any gyms?

You become champion by beating the Elite Four you dingus.

The island challenge has trials, doing them is like doing gyms.

I think someone was bullshitting about the evolve thing.

Also champion of Alola's Leauge. you arrive in Alola just after they basically built their leauge.

UBs have nothing to do with evolving. You fight one in the middle of the story as a plot thing and see them a few more times as plot things but you can't catch them until post game.

More like you're the beta test for the league and happen to be the first champion.

Oh, so practically speaking, nothing's changed in that regard? Gyms have just been renamed?


I wouldn't doubt it, I'll be the first to admit how much of a dumbass I am.


Thanks for clearing that up! That one did sound pretty fishy

so when chaining calls for help, is it better to kill the intial mon that called for help or the one that arrived?

Think I'm gonna work towards this.

Might swap Trump out for Golisopod or a psychic or water type.

I wonder why nobody ever listens to Holla Forums?

Memes aside, gumshoos is the early game rodent pokemon for this gen. It's going to be shit.
Have fun with that.

Fair warning, if you want Salazzle on your team it needs to be a grill. I learned that the hard way, and had to replace him with Alolan Marowak

I am aware, I might sub it out for A. Marowak and use the poison urchin.


I don't understand your objection. I tend to enjoy things more if I don't pay for them.

Yes because people pirating a pokemon game is going to hurt sales to the point of the series being canceled.

That is an awful name.

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So has anyone found Necrozma and what about the fluffy legendary, is that one even in the game yet?

Fuck off, you baiting nigger.

Is the QR scan thing rare pokemon a shiny?

Apparently it's on Ten Carat Hill.

Necrozma is a roaming legendary that spawns after you do the UB shit and I have no idea what you mean by fluffy legendary.

please respond

Not bait, just common sense, Captain Autismo. You fags will say anything to justify your stealing. And do I really need to remind you that stealing is what niggers do?

>most trainers have just one mon, maybe a third have 2 and i can count on two hand the ones having 3+ not counting "bosses" and I've beaten the game
I don't know how gamefreak does it, but man they have consistently dissapointed since they started on gen 5

For those who have used them, hows Decidueye, Alolan Exeggutor, Alolan Marowak, Inferoar, and Alolan Muk?

I want to avoid doubling up on types, but I've got some choices in ghost, fire, and dark.

I always did want to join Team Rocket

Need I remind you that getting tricked by corparations into buying shit without trying it first (when demos and scripted videos are prettied up slices that don't account for the whole game because companies fake them) is only playing into the Jew's hands?

You can try to remove our ability to rebel against the corrupt industry all you like, but you won't succeed.

You'd bitch just as had if there was no plot at all.
Not even worth reading the rest since you're clearly retarded.

Just wanted to warn you that you can't evolve Crabrawler until the VERY late part of the game, its stats are
HP: 47
Atk: 82
Def: 57
SpAtk: 42
SpDef: 47
Spe: 63
You can keep him if you want but he is gonna fall behind soon.

He was pretty good I guess, he is useful as any other starter.
Really fucking good, it's pretty much a better version of Kanto Muk. It saved my ass and sweeped a bunch of stuff in many cases.
I can't say about the rest since I didn't use them yet.

You mean like how YOU won't succeed at rebelling against the "corrupt industry"? I don't think "trying" a game means playing through the whole game days before it comes out. You'll pirate a game because it doesn't have a demo, but when you do get a demo, you'll just pirate it anyway because it's not enough for you. You will ALWAYS make an excuse. Like a fucking child. Like a fucking RETARDED child, in fact. Pic related is you, faggot.

I suspect Dhelmise will get alternate forms in the future that modify it's 3rd stab and ability, similar to Rotom.

Hello Nintendo Marketing Department.

I want halfchan to leave.

I highly doubt it. Even in d/p rotom was presented as being somehow special as you could only catch one while dhelmise is just a random pokemon that happens to be stupidly rare.

So why bother giving a shit? We're not going to listen to you because you yell and scream at us, this sort of shit is exactly why Hillary lost the election along with so many other groups failing at other tasks and you fucks never learn.

So why do you give a shit? You mad that everyone isn't playing by your rules? Because let's be honest here, you're not screaming and crying like the babies you're posting because you're morally concerned, you're sperging out at a lack of control.

You're being insane and telling people to stop pirating when the ones who actually make the small effort aren't going to listen to you, and the ones you yell at are only going to consider pirating if this is how you treat them.

Being a sperg doesn't actually get anything done, it just makes you look like a child.

You can leave too.

Why do you fags respond to bait?


Fuck off, retard. Pokemon was never for the story, the reason I'm mad is because they're forcing it. If it had no story and was literally Mega Man style of choose which ever gym you wanted in whatever order, it'd be a fantastic game.

Are you kidding? You don't know what effort looks like.

It's not even that the text sections are that long, is that there's no damn exploration between them. I'm six hours in. I've been down two streets and into a field. I was in a tiny cave for five minutes.

Of said playtime, an hour has been cutscene. THat's just straight up unacceptable for a pokemon game.

It's pretty bad bait considering he didn't even continue on after the first two posts.

You act like this is the first time a pokemon game has had an actual story or something.

Clicking the post number and leaving the text field blank is too much effort for who you're replying to.

Oh no

Just wait until you have the same experience another user and myself had: You'll be so railroaded you'll completely forget there's actually a desert area.

Who are you quoting? That's not anywhere in what I said, and if you think it is, you should probably graduate middle school before posting on here.

Nobody cares.

Keep crying fgt.

Not really, I complained about how heavily x/y forced the story and hand-holding on you when they came out too

now where have i heard that before?

Saging because I'm off topic.

Totally agree.
At the end of the day you have pirates, and "honest pirates".

Pirates will always pirate. If something is genuinely impossible to pirate, they won't play it. They'd rather not play it than pay for it (be it hating the company or just being a cheap-skate)

Honest pirates try before they buy, and purchase the game if they like it (in some cases even handing money over to the dev at cons. If some stories are to be believed).

Now some people will claim to be honest pirates, then just play the whole thing- making them a pirate.

But even so, you still have pirates and honest pirates.
People who will never buy, and people who will always buy if they enjoy it.

And nothing will change their minds.
Aside from giving the honest pirate a decent demo.

marshadow I think is its name. I figure that magearna is a distribution legendary.

So you've never played Pokemon before? Are you trying to fit in here with the generic "faggot/retard" slinging and using ebin swears? Are you from reddit and/or underaged, by chance?

There's been heavy plot since gen 3, and the only reason there wasn't before was because of limited space on the cart.
You probably hear it a lot because you're an idiot and I really don't want to put effort into a post calling you retarded when we've already established that you are.

Marshadow is a ghost, it's not fluffy. And it will probably be an event tied to a movie in like 6 months or so.

Male Ace Trainer is sexy.

References himself as "harder than diamonds." Damn meme translations are everywhere now.

user, legitimately, can you read or are you merely pretending? No one said these were the first to have a story. And if you actually played the games, you'd know Gen fucking 1 has a story. The problem is how it forces you into a linear path with no fun allowed.

Don't you have homework to do? It's a school night.

No one says that here, it's off-board jargon. You outed yourself as a retard because you think that "retard" is too offensive, so you say "downies"

Literally from reddit.

You mean like Gen 1?

Wow. I had no idea people were this desperate for attention.

Please kill yourself. It's pretty obvious that you've never played these games and you're here to be retarded.

A friend of mine gave me a genesect code today. Do the special codes work with Pokemon sun and moon?

I've played every Pokemon game, user.

Except there's nothing stopping you from ignoring the plot and exploring. If anything, the game telling you were to go is good because it lets you know where to avoid when exploring. If you missed the desert, it's your own fault for forgetting about it.

Except gen 1 has no optional areas except the unknown dungeon and maybe some connecting routes with nothing on them.

Probably not.

The Genesect event is for XY/ORAS

What are you doing in this thread? If you don't like pokemon just go discuss vidya you do like.

He probably doesn't even like vidya of any kind.

So not only are you stupid you're also in denial.

It just seems like you are trying to derail the thread when you say you don't like pokemon as a video game.

Yes there are, from skull blocking baths, to Pokemon, to barriers needing someone permission to open. Along with rotomdex constantly reminding you where you need to go, the giant red flag on the minimap and the black screen that resets your character if you try to cross a boundary. the only thing you can do is backtrack
wow you're retarded

Why are you saging if you're talking about Pokemon in a Pokemon thread then?

Look at this faggot
He really wants the attention. be courteous, now.

You came into a thread to insult people, don't play the victim.

you've never played this, huh? Every town so far has had some bullshit NPC stop you and force you to go around a different path.

You mean like it's RAILROADING? :^)

Nigga, it's not the optional areas, it's that with sufficient exploration, you can do lots of things in different order. My brother was a literal retard and didn't beat Lt. Surge until after he beat Blaine. It allows for all kinds of exploration if you have found the proper equipment.

Anyone?

Road blocks only prevent you from going forward, not going back. The game does not force you to ignore everything but the main path, and as soon as you beat the fire trial you can go back to anywhere to explore areas you either missed or weren't able to get into before. And knowing where the actual story progression is in advance is useful for exploring because it lets you know to avoid it. This is not difficult to understand.

You're also retarded. Being able to skip surge in gen 1 wasn't due to game design, it was due to oversight and not bothering to put something in to ensure you actually do it.
Not only that, but missing major things is the opposite of exploring.

He's right, though, you can ignore the NPC and backtrack and explore things you passed by before, like going back to the first island after getting Lapras on the second island to find stuff like the one cave that leads to a patch of grass with Bagon and other Pokemon in it. It's no different than getting stopped by not having a bike to go down the Cycling Trail or the Pokeflute to go down the seaside routes in Gen 1. You had to still go through NPC interaction to get through both. You could explore easily before doing all of that by going through Diglett's Cave and exiting near Pewter City, going through the Route 2 side route and getting the items that lay there.

Guilty as charged.

so is this piece of shit a special 'tile' only again or can I chain for it?

10/10 mental gymnastics. Whether it was an oversight or not, the game shipped (twice, given they revamped it for Blue Version and Yellow Version in Japan) with that intact. And that was part of the charm of exploration.


Yes, after you get fly you can revisit areas but fuck you if the story isn't done with that island yet. And by the time that you finish the story on the island, there's not a lot to explore. I won't lie and say there's nothing but it doesn't feel as rewarding to be given the Hawaiian tour rather than going out on your own.

So?
Wrong.
I'll agree to that, they really just needed to space the NPC interaction out more, have it happen every few towns not nearly every route.

Do you really not see a problem?

Going to need to elaborate rather than just say one word. There's some surf spots when you can, but they don't add much. Unless I've missed some stuff, aside from Battle Tree and the Tapus.

So why are you even deigning to talk to us sub-humans if you're so superior?

This is a roundabout way to call you a faggot, by the way.

Ha, he got banned and deleted

A friend just worked something out.
Baring in mind Mega Rayquaza is so OP, Smogon give it it's own tier (Anything Goes)

> 252 + Ark Choice Band Mega Rayquaza Dragon Acent vs. +1 252 HP / 4 Def Bewear Fluffy:332-392 (74.7- 88.2%) – guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock.
> + 2 252 + Atk Munior Acrobaics (110 BP) vs. +1 252 HP / 4 Def Bewear: 264 - 312 (59.4 - 70.2%) – guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock.

Not even Mega Rayquaza can one shot Bewear.

Bear in mind it's weak to fire and fluffy only applies to contact moves.

user, please. This game is a walk in the park. I beat the elite four and him____ with my starter at level 64-ish and the rest of my party somewhere in their upper 50s. With a useless panda at roughly 50 because I thought it would be a good idea to level him up while in the league but ended up being a wasted slot.

This game is not hard. Stop this meme.

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hehe
Bear in mind

Mega Rayquaza usually carries Fire Blast (or just Draco Meteor).
It's one of the things that makes him so deadly: You can't send in a physical wall to stop him.

Yeah I assume Megazard Y Heat Wave would kill it fast.


BRB, sending that to friend.

Agreed, tentomon is cool

Ok. So to make the game super hard I should play with a party of one pokemon only and preferably underleveled.


I used one single max revive, out of the 3 or so they give you. For free.

After almost every step you take, either after or before an important battle you get Lillie or other NPCs to heal you. You don't even have to Fly use Charizard to go to the pokemon center and walk back to where you were.

Changing from shift to set is not inventing your own rules. Stop being retarded.

Did you at least turn the Exp share off?

The game literally starts on Casual mode where you can shift your mons while knowing what the next mon is in a game where type advantages are important.

It's a second difficulty option every game's had. You go to the options and change the rules to something other then shift. Battles with others don't use shift rules, and the game starts on shift mode.

when do the orbs start being sold at the marts

I know it is an in-game option. Why would you have to force yourself to that? Again, if we are going ignore what the game does or gives to you just to do stuff to make the game harder then might as well box every pokemon you have and battle with a single one. That is going to be a challenge, right?

Point is the game IS easy. You are just trying to find what to set off or ignore to make it harder. That will make the game hard for you, that doesn't erase the fact that the game IS easy.

3rd island, I think. But then they become a staple, not only one mart sells them, like speciality balls.

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Yes user, Bayonetta is easy because you can pick baby mode. Now please fuck off.

Ha, you are literally complaining that games have difficulty settings at this point.

I have no real words for this level of casualry

Bayonetta is easy because it offers such powerful tools within early game that with the time it takes you to get to higher difficulties you've have attained the ability put their application to extents that render enemies inefficient.

Only Hack and Slash I know to let to buffer carry on combos after a dodge too, pretty neat feature that keeps flow.

Am I the only one that forgets to turn Switch Mode off? I'm gonna do it for Sun if I get it.

I always turned it off because my young ADHD ass didn't care about switching since I'm probably fighting with that Pokemon to level it and those 2 text menus feel like an eternity

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I leave it on because I usually just spam B after a faint anyways, so I've often wandered with my lvl50 water into a lvl 60 grass-type
tfw autism makes the game harder without you even trying

I hadn't even thought about this, but will you be able to trade Pokemon fromORAS and XY to Sun and Moon? Pokebank doesn't carry over items and I like my Mega Lopunny and Slowbro

you can literally buy all the mega stones, I've heard. it's likely that the transfer of pokemon is one way.

FUCK YOU

No, but you can use PkHex to copy paste the boxes over, saving time, money and items,


Take this with a grain of salt, but I've heard the shop that sells Mega Stones only contains half of them.

Make it a policy to catch every new pokes you meet, no matter how shit.

I go in the options anyway to turn the text speed to fast. It's hard to forget to do that because the game is slow as fuck without it

Literally only one generation did this (Gen 1 to Gen 2), and even then it had a fuckton of restrictions because of what Gen 1 DIDN'T have (no new moves, no held items, no new mons, etc)

Any pirates wanna confirm or deny?

I am a pirate, and I can't do either.
You need to use the Festival Plaza to get the stones, but grinding for it is ridiculous until the 18th when we can do missions properly to farm FC.

Gotcha, well at least it sounds like there's a way to get them, so that's some good news. I appreciate the information and help.

Sorry, let me clear that up. It's a long slog to get the ability to purcahse them, and the people that have claim you can't purchase all. Whether there's a 2nd store is yet to be seen.

I keep getting error code 006-0502 while trying to connect, is anyone else having this problem also? I've used internet features before this.

Retard. Have fun getting your 3ds banned from online.

Well, I found an Alomomola at last. It'll be useful breeding material I guess. Might as well look for a fucking feebas while I'm here.

I can still go online in other games just fine, it's just moon giving me this error. Seems like it might be down for maintenance.

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More like it was never up to begin with. Stop being retarded.

Online is fine, it's turned on for review copies.
As for error message, google what it means, they have a database of each error message.

nintendo.co.jp/netinfo/en_US/index.html
It says there's maintenance for Monster Hunter X and 4U, but I think the time matches up. I'll wait a while before trying again.

d-don't misunderstand me, it's just for Aqua Jet Huge Power Azumarills! Also Feebas GET!

SciresM added some code to Sun/Moon that allows for QR injection like Gen 6 had. Also, PkHex got updates to mess about with other things, Like Pelago and can reset things like Tapu encounters.

You don't know what you're talking about.

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Sorry, let me rephrase:
SciresM hacked Sun/Moon, edited some code and using his modified copy of the game, can inject pokemon through QR codes, as well as remove the 10 codes a day limit.

Apparently, the QR function of the base game is incredibly secure.

Fuck. Moon has been taken down already

Fuggggg.
I'll find you a new one in a minute.

I dunno about half, but yes, Mega Stones are able to be bought in Battle Tree for 64BP a pop. I didn't look carefully at the whole list though.


Fuck you, that little shit never appeared for me, so I stopped trying.


Please kill yourself.

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