Antifa hate thread

AntiFa has done nothing for us. They never attack bourgeoisie or captalists because they are in cahoots with them - they discredit the left.

I'm in a Marxist-Leninist study group and member of a communist platform of the socialist party here. I'm not a full-time revolutionary because I have uni and work but I've done more than any of these ugly dykes in their entire life.

Fuck no, I love antifa. The threat Neo Nazis pose is real to ethnic minorities such as myself.

Antifa keeps large groups of idiots from getting together and doing real damage.

Fuck all you sympathizing crypto fascists. The US is a million time more powerful than Nazi Germany, it's too dangerous to let such a country even flirt with fascism

Some can be reeducated, but it would take far too many resources to educate someone like that.

You'd basically have to pull them out of poverty and undo years of trauma to even have a chance. Fuck that, I'm poor too but I never blamed it on poor black people or jews

Kek, you guys really are no different from Holla Forums. The only difference is that you guys actually fucking read. You know it's bad when the fucking tankie is making the most sense ITT.

Only crypto-fascists dislike antifa

youtube.com/watch?v=U1MYMVfyHi0

kys. Besides, anybody who uses the prefix "proto-" or "crypto-" pretty much reveals his autism

Using the tankie flag is pretty much admitting you are a fascist.

We have the God-given right to bash the fash wherever it appears.

This.

Why? Do you have Vanguard that can get shit done?

I'm probably the least supportive of Antifa here, but unless you have something else, I don't see the point of whining about them. At the very least, they are getting cardiovascular exercises. Makes them healthier.

Fascism cannot be "combated ideologically". You have to go out and kill the fuckers - one of the faults of Antifa, btw. They don't actually murder people (which somewhat justifies their inability to pinpoint actual threats), nor do they do their thing in an organized manner.

I strongly disagree.

That speaks volumes about tools we have, since AntiFa are mostly useless.

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you're stupid

pick one
youtube.com/watch?v=mRiy2YtC_gc

Amerifats shouldn't be allowed to post on this board.

My local antifa has exposed more fascist and neonazi activity in the past few years than law enforcement has since WW2.
They're pretty much an investigative journalism collective.
everybody itt kys

Name a single fascist power or movement that isn't only a bunch of LARPing faggots

The whole capitalist ruling class

Fascistsm is gangsterism, not LARPing.

Why would the capitalist ruling class want fascism? That way the would partially cede power (as in corporativism). They want an authoritarian state without welfare nor regulations so they can do as they please.
Fascism isn't the best state form for them and most far-right movements today have socialist/collectivist economical ideas and hate capitalism.

I wouldn't call it fascism because that makes fascism simply a buzzword. This is something else, something even worse and more powerful.

If you don't care about people, then what's the point of being a social activist you moron?

This. Also the far-rightists are the ones initiating the violence in the first place by advocating the exclusion, removal and killing of people they consider outsiders of their tribe and the preservation of oppressive systems like capitalism and traditionalism. Antifa are merely retaliating against their violence.

Tell me something new.

honestly lol
It was exactly the same
pay lipservice to the working class but once in power, they're porkies' worst

Because they can use the ideological powers of fascism to justify the systematic oppresion of the third world

Capitalism is liberalism, not Not Socialism. You have been brainwashed comrade.

Power, and money are the things I love most. Becoming a high ranking official in a global communist empire would give me a lot of power and money. Social activism is just a means to the end. I believe in social, economic, and sexual equality. "I want fairness for all. I believe a global communist will be the fairest order for the future of everyone's children." I can say it just like the best of them.

You are a tankie, not a communist.

But the third world is already fucked why do they need to further justify it? This is a rather different issue.

You can see the same happen within the left, specially today. Many promises, lots of big mouths and then nothing. More status quo and more failed socialdemocracy.

Lmao

No, Read Parenti dumb faggot

Well, liberalism surely is capitalism you fucking trotskyist

And? That doesn't mean fascists don't use capitalism to their advantage

Fascism is an extremely degenerated form of liberalism anyway

I've never agreed with that. It's just retarded to say something is one thing when it clearly isn't. Degenerated liberalism would either be civil war then something else or an authoritarian state as I mentioned before. Asser would've taxed the fuck out of the bourgeoisie, too bad that manlet killed him (and yet they still implemented social programs). If we talk puritan fascism (as in Italy) that's another thing.

But didn't Lenin apply the NEP? Indirectly quoting: capitalism is a revolutionary force which is needed to industrialize a country and then to be able to use it in favour of the workers.

You are talking about Fascism, not Nazism. You realize that, right? That's practically all three-letter agencies (and quite a large chunk of police around the world). That's IMF. That's financial lobbies. That's quite a few EU policies.

And I'm not even talking about Third World or former Second.

Capitalism is the enforcement of private property, markets are simply a tool used by capitalist regimes to rapidly industrialize the economy and provide an ideological base to support it

We dont need capitalism to industrialize, we need markets, we can figure out things without the middle man

Liberals seek total liberation from a social repressive force, liberals do not belive on materialism, this isnt in any way different from fascists that put themselves and the nation n the victim side and label outaiders as the oppresors

Fascism is liberal to the core

Also

Nothing new

>working ''''people''
hahahahahahahahahhaahh

Hahahahahahah read a fucking book, you dumb faggot cuck

>But didn't Lenin apply the NEP? Indirectly quoting: capitalism is a revolutionary force which is needed to industrialize a country and then to be able to use it in favour of the workers.
This is bullshit.

Capitalism was not called "revolutionary". It was described as "step back" - unavoidable step back, but still step back.
Industrialization was Planned economy - literally opposite of free market (Capitalism).

And NEP was used simply because Soviets did not have administration for Planned economy at the time.

Because they feel threatened for some reason - either internal or external. Have you even read anything about class struggle?

Except they don't hate Capitalism: they don't intend to replace it with anything else.

Which means it's not real Left.

Screencapped. I literally got down syndrome from this pirate poster. Are you the one that shits up /liberty/? Please stay there.

I forgot this fucking quote:

kys

lolno

Without theory yes

all neo-nazi groups in europe have 10-20 murders on their hands, and are heavily involved with the military in some countries and with the underworld in others

I'm from greece, golden dawn has murdered around 15 people and traffics illegal weapons all the time. they aren't larpers, they are gangs and should be dealt with brute force

Well atleast we know that theyre really just fascists larping

Hi Holla Forums

Even without theory it's good within capitalism.

You dont seem to know what antifa is

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kys faggot, I was obviously replying to OPs post.(USER WAS EXILED FOR QUESTIONING THE INVISIBLE DICTATORSHIP )

bash the fash tbh

fascists honestly deserve to die

Violence only strengthens political movements by giving them martyrs to circlejerk over.

cringe

All you have left are martyrs.

nod an argubent :DD

kys

URE EITHER WITH ME OR WITH THE SITH!!!!

Really though you have enough martyrs already.

oh i get it lol you think sage is a "downvote" because you're new here

nice, upvoted

You act like you're from 4/pol/.

no further comments necessary, your honor

Not an argument.

There is, I can list them.

10/10

Hi Holla Forums

It's a mark of not being from Holla Forums.

I'm guessing you're a Nazi fuck who got beaten up?

Are you retarded

nice try, Nazi

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there are neo-nazi groups that murder people irl, and there are people that actively fight them irl. your internet larping has nothing to do with any of it, stop pretending that anything posted here or in Holla Forums or in reddit matters

I'm just saying, all those things together paint a pretty clear picture.

This has very little to do with class struggle though.

Not to mention antifa routinely shits up black metal and neofolk shows, something I am personally quite passionate about.

you're simply wrong. murdered minorities are proles, while fascist reactionaries serve as a capitalist paramilitary force

well who would have thought

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triggered faggot

Crisis was much better than Death In June

user, please dont be so retarded

wow racist much

Bullshit maing

You're retarded if you think National Bolshevism is closer to NS than it is to Stalinism.

dunno if you're being serious, but targeted minorities in european countries are immigrant proles

People being from Holla Forums makes it more likely that they're nazis.

And Stalinist isnt the definition of "red" fascism?
theyre just russian nazis, get out newfag.

Nazbol is simply homo art

kick out the nazis then

You must be a shitskin fuckhead to say that stupid shit. Fascism isn't tradition and therefor isn't reactionary. Fascism isn't capitalist either. Capitalism is liberalism.

There will be no voting in communist future, liberal scum.

These two posters are why we have gulags.

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wow you're fucking retarded

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Italian fascism considered itself to be futurist movement, though Evola did have some influence on post war currents like Ordine Nuovo.

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Fascism is Not Socialism. Not Socialism… is you guessed it: Not Socialism. Capitalism is liberalism, or at least traditional liberalism.

This. Socialists are just as bad, if not worse than capitalists. Total fucking idiots who don't know shit, but run off their mouths.

kek

Nah, I've come to the realization that Not Socialism is 20th century thinking. I want a new one world order to secure the existence of my people and a future for white children. This will be achieved through global communism, and advanced technology to replace and phase out our enemies.

dumb tankie worshiper of a failed state

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>implying the fascist revolution isn't a regression to traditional values youtube.com/watch?v=wx3MKue1EWQ

holy fuck, and these dumb tankies claim no one but them have theory

at least you understand capitalism is powered by liberalism

fucking mega faggot

I liked antifa until they accused me of being a nazi for liking black metal, and attacking teenagers at harmless concerts.
Fuck antifa man. Theyre left wing tea party and dont seem smart enough to know what fascist means. Seems like they serve neoliberal status quo interests more than ours

Kill yourself, theyre attacking peoples bands for making one harmless hitler reference joke in 20 year old photos
Yet they leave the actual nazi's bands alone because the crowd is too small to fuel their egos by crashing the party
Fuck antifa

Calling bullshit right their. If you dont wanna be grouped in with nazis, don't hang around fucking nazis for the sake of being an edgy teenager

You just don't understand, if you grew up listening to extreme metal and were passionate about it you'd understand our problem with antifa, since they are a menace to the metal community.

I say this as a punk, If you dont wanna get shit get the nazis out of your fucking gigs.

your problem is with the nazis, not the antifa

Are you retards? Antifa is known to harass apolitical metalheads.

Clarification: I'm not that Holla Forumsyp in stealth with tankie flag above me.

Same story happened to me. A friend of mine helped running a small concert location for harmless Pagan metal, Black Metal, Gothic and Industrial - not even Neo Folk. I used to help out there from time to time because I was in a Black Metal band myself that disbanded once everybody moved to a different place because of university.

Anyway, the local AntiFa/SJW leaders were constantly going on about how using pagan symbolic and associating with a genre that spawned people like Varg makes the place a stronghold for fascism that is cloaked as a cultural center. Obviously that was 100% bullshit. Personally, I don't really care what the political allegiance of somebody is when I go to a concert and listen to music unless they put their crap in the lyrics, which doesn't happen in Metal, and most of to the Black Metal dudes are nihilistic or are both radical left or right for edginess because Stalin and Hitler killed many people. Pagan guys are LARPers and I highly doubt just because of traditional symbolism, any of them would hold real life right wing views besides a slight infatuation for the pagan past. Ironically, I had some of the best discussions about communism with some of the more educated Black Metal guys.

We are a medium sized town so I guess the AntiFa chapter wasn't big, but they continued agitating so eventually 20 guys invaded a concert at the place, grabbed the mic and starting talking about subversive fascist superstructures, another one spit in the audience which caused three minor brawls and in the end the police had to come cleaning this place up. In the aftermath, they wrote down their bullshit articles on their nationwide leftist blogs and websites about how they took action against Nazism.

Now you guys are telling the problem IS NOT the AntiFa when they are clearly the one that initiated all the aggression while fighting spooks and it's my fault to hang arround with Nazis. By the same logic and lack of differentiation they should come for you as well, since you hang arround on a website mostly inhabited by Nazis.

Forgot the best part - someone found out later that the guy who was spitting into the audience worked for a government organisation that's supposed to make people aware of right-wing extremism. No idea if he got fired or congratulated.

Tbh its not just metal shows anti-fa, at least in European countries, even targets left-wingers who are even mildly controversial:

counterpunch.org/2012/09/25/the-death-of-free-speech-in-france/

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I can confirm that. In Germany, Sahra Wagenknecht, one if the few actual Socialists in DieLinke, called out Merkels immigration policy as one that favors big business, undermines minimum wage and has IdPol character in general.

Few days later, your typical AntiFa shows up at the party assembly and throws a cake into her face because apperently this makes her fascist.

What was the name of some of the bands at that event? What have you done to get rid of fascists in your scene whenever you have encountered them?

I wasn't there in person but I can assure you they weren't active fascists. How am I supposed to know the political views of people that don't talk about poltics?

Black Metal is a diverse scene, you can encounter every ideology from Fascism to Liberalism to Communism, do you think I'm going to be a SJW style cunt and inquire aggravate people because they don't share the same opinions than me? After 5 Whiskey Cokes and a concert playing next room? What kind of autistic bitch you think I am? The revolution is not going to happen in the Metal Venues of this world.

Funny, I'm a tankie yet I'm more laid back have less of a dried-up cunt than most Anarkiddies and Trotzkists.

source please
what do you rich western whitebois even know

borders are fascist though

thanks liberal

removing borders means removing the private property they protect idiot

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borders exist only to create discrete economic zones for the bourgeoisie for the enforcement of their property rights

so the elimination of borders means the elimination of the material conditions which necessitate them

you fucking idiot

You are a disgusting individual.

Because you let Nazis fester in your ranks

Alrighty this was in the 19th century but now we got the bourgeoisie pushing for less borders protection as well as free flow of capital and wageslavery. Borders and tariffs are one of the last retreats of countries, spook or not, to keep more or less autonomous.

How is the removal of trade tariffs working out for you in Africa where they flood the market with disgusting chicken pieces? I think somebody just slept through the entire 20th century.

I don't think metal subcultures have a political in-group mentality. If there happens to be a small clique of right wingers, they usually leave others the fuck alone so they get left the fuck alone. Again, why are you on a chan? Don't you know they are flooded with alt-right and Nazis? You let them fester in your ranks, you crypto-fascist!

What you are trying to say anyway? I can't listen to Wagner anymore because he was an antisemite? Glad nobody gives a wet shit about what you think

antifa is kind of shitty, but not because they beat up nazis. all nazis deserve to be terrorized.

so does this board tho tbf

look at what you did

It's not hard to be tbf anything that's not "pure" triggers Trot/Anarchist excluding post-left anarcho-dirtbags autism too hard for them to function.

Get out

>post yfw German anti-fa who call themselves anti-Germans worship Israel and the US.

I fucking hate those guys.

not all german antifas are antideutsche tho - their numbers are actually pretty low.

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is this satire?

no

If we can do it with punk we can do it with whatever the fuck we want.

antifa tends to break shop windows and light random cars in the downtowns

and steal shoes

The tankie said he used to be in a black metal band, and do you really think shitting up metal shows helps anything?

Punk is different from Metal as it originated as being contrarian per definition.

Metal is more escapist, like, born out of Hippie Hard Rock like Rainbow or Led Zeppelin, and started appropriating fantasy/occult topoi from the beginning. When Metal mixes with punk, it's pretty lefty, like Thrash Metal (even though Dave Mustaine is a infowars tier nuthead these days).

Black Metal can be potentially leftist with its Nihilism, but that would be less of a political leftism, more like a Stirnerfag individualist leftism. However, there are some distinct communist bands out there, like Panopticon (I really like them).

youtu.be/KNVVPzjQzI0

deathmetal.org/article/the-difference-between-metal-and-punk-rock-its-not-literal/

Well said.

Oh gee yes lets all hold hands and sing kumbayah while the nazis put us in ovens, I sure hope some other military force defeats them so we can have a museum built for our ashes later on down the road.

Fucking libtard, you could say the same thing about communists just wanting to hurt people because of their need for violent revolution. The best thing to do is nip nazism in the bud before it creates global genocide and mass suffering.

But the best part is, Antifa is literally the only group actually physically standing up against capitalism instead of just vote brigading on reddit. Watch antifa news outlets and twitter feeds, they'll show you countless examples of antifa members shutting corporations the fuck down, at least temporarily before the pig cops show up. Sometimes, though, they win, like with the Dakota Access Pipeline.

Pick one - at least in my country. Some responses of you guys make me think that American AntiFa might be a little better, in Europa they are pozzed as fuck tho.

why do you use the exact same language as Holla Forumsyps?

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I don't really like how Antifa here is bunch of druggie and alternative kiddos.

who do you think torches refugee homes in germany?
who do you think is causing hate crimes to rise in the west?

Murders and similar things don't really have anything to do with class struggle.

What the hell have you been smoking?

And where are the LeftCom with their Rosa?

but no really, where are those literal nazis murder sprees

Too many sources to post here:
google.com/#q=neo-nazi attack refugees
google.com/#q=far-right attack refugees

Then fuck your class struggle.