What's wrong with this?

It's not the KMT doing it. KMT supports reunification with China… just reunification with China with the ROC as the official government, which has obvious incompatibilities.

The Democratic Progressive Party is the one in power and recognizing full independence from China (not declaring independence, simply recognizing that they're already an independent state, meaning that they're the only one's not toting the "One China Policy" bullshit.

Oh, I heard it over some stream/youtube and they said it was the KMT and I REEEEEEEEE'd the fuck out.

If the USA thinks the EU are going to engage the PRC with them then the neoliberals have a hot bottle of petrol and styrofoam to contend with.

kek, if Trump recognized and preferred the ROC over the PRC, everything would fucking implode. Mainland China and the US have an uncomfortable, but mutually necessary economic relationship.

I guess Trump had the right idea after all

What the fuck are you on about m8?

Taiwan's president is a female lady woman, my dude.

Here is a list of the countries recognizing the ROC as the legit government of China

Oceania:
Kiribati
Marshall Islands
Nauru
Palau
Solomon Islands
Tuvalu

Africa:
Burkina Faso
São Tomé and Príncipe
Swaziland

Europe:
Vatican

Central America:
Belize
El Salvador
Guatemala
Honduras
Nicaragua
Panama

Caribbean:
Dominican Republic
Haiti
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines

South America:
Paraguay

As you can see, no United States to be found in that list.

t. delusional expert

This would mean direct military confrontation with America, and probably a world war.

Beware of 50 cent army in this thread, China's paying double for shitposts.

Were you dropped on your head frequently as a child?

why are news sites and reddit so desperate to come up with bad things against trump? he's literally not even president yet.

he is middle America personified which is as anti california champagne socialist as you can get

Chinks can't comprehend a worldview where they aren't the biggest thing on the planet. Zhongguo - usually translated to "the middle kingdom". In truth it's more like "central authority". The Chinese see themselves as the center of the universe and nothing else - man, nature, or anything in-between - changes that viewpoint for them.

Because he spent so much time and effort shitting on them (as they shat on him).

It's one of the few reasons I wanted him to win, so they can at least pretend they're somewhat objective (I can't imagine the fellating that President Hillary would've received from them)

Let me correct that for you
It would be like Hawaii delcaring independence, electing its own president, getting tons of money sent in from China for defense. Then the hawian president calls the new Chinese leader and congratulated him on winning and then America flips out.
The U.S. has been giving money to Taiwan for a while now, Trump accepted a congratulation call and suddenly now its a big deal.

Because it hurts Chinese legitimacy to rule over Taiwan and is a slap in the face to their political agenda.

Being enemies formally and informally has different political and social ramifications. The Chinese state might have to have some sort of response to a situation like this otherwise they might look weak

Historically, Taiwan has always been a part of China.
America should not intervene in China's internal affairs.

Why do they all recognise the ROC?

I'm guessing they just haven't revised the status of either since the Cold War

Wrong as fuck lol

CHYNAH

You fuckers have the most inconsistent ideology of all time, I swear to fuck

can't we just get Japan to rape Nanking again?

It's almost as if certain flags on this board are for all intents and purposes designated shitposting flags

you're getting memed fam

Maybe you guys are right, taking nazi flags seriously is a waste of mental energy

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ROC had existed before PRC, so not really.

Is he wrong?

The free market in the United States says a dictatorship is more desirable than a democracy. You reap what you sow.

yes. The media are a bunch of cry baby fags, but it is likely trump made a super stupid move by speaking to a nation we have not publicly spoken to since the 70's. He likely just fucked up decades of strategic planning on the US's part

dictatorship or democracy have nothing to do with it its all about the flow of money

That is exactly the point. These people want capitalism and complain when they get it.

Who? When? What people? awful lot of assumption in there. The people want to be healthy and fed nothing more nothing less whatever state that can offer that regardless of political ideology will win the people.

China is a way better country than the one I live in. They ban things like porn, cheating/cleavage/etc in movies, and are actually trying to improve the living standards of their people. I am a staunch opponent of imperialism and American influence in East Asia.

which doesn't work because chinese people themselves are shit

China has 4x less murders per capita than the US, and some of the highest test scores in the world (inb4 theyre all cheating)

Nice try though.

Except cheating IS rampant, and crime is only rare because even minor offenses are clamped down on unreasonably hard. In terms of ethics the government is very criminal.

you can't kill people if they kill themselves first.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_China

Only if you discount the state organ harvesting/plasticizing corpses for exhibition. :^)

>>>/infowars/
Unless you have some financial stake against them, there is no reason to be anti-China. They're one of the few forces of good left in this world.

china is the antimodel of what communism aims to achive. Besides the great famine the current regime is now socialist in all the worst ways plausible

How much does the CPC pay per post these days?

No, I'm genuinely curious. I want to get on board and fight online for communism, comrade!

Besides, you are presumably Caucasian. Racism against non-Asians is still common in the region. Why would you defend that?

Not unless you are:

1. a fisherman in the south pacific
2. taiwanese
3. tibetian
4. one of the millions of middle-class investors stuck with toxic assets because of the sell ban Beijing has currently placed on their stock market
5. a Unionized American factory worker

If it keeps crime down, who cares?

7. A sane human being who gives a fuck about human rights and the environment.

China isn't capitalist, which is part of the problem. Their system is a demonic hybrid of the worst aspects of communism (isolated bureaucracy) and capitalism (private gains, public losses).

Because the government of a major world power is far more dangerous than a fucking street thug. Defending tyranny for the sake of safety is the reasoning of cowards.

Sounds to me like you don't know shit about either.

Chinese people are usually respectful to Western workers and tourists. The only "racism" would be some merchants trying to swindle a naive tourist, but that isn't the fault of anyone but the merchant.

The south Pacific, Taiwan, and Tibet all belong to China, so no big deal. As for the trade war problems, of course China will look out for their own interests, as will many nations.

Ironically, China is now becoming the world leader in fighting climate change.

How much does the CPC pay per post these days?

I won't quit asking until I get a number figure.

China's economy is still command-driven from the PRC party politburo, as all major companies are nationalized. This is why all their banks simultaneously wrapped mortgages into securities (sound familiar?) about two years ago to shore up cash. When US banks did it in 2006 they did not do it in the same quarter nevertheless announce it on the exact same day.

But on the flip side, these companies still offer publicly tradeable items which people began to sell off about ~18 months ago. This was when the PRC went full retard and simply banned people from selling them, effectively making them toxic assets. Does this sound even MORE familiar now? Not even porky is this fucking stupid.

Yes my son…..yes…….

I wish I could make some extra cash on the side.

*CCP politburo

Harsh penalties =/= tyranny. Although I'm not saying China isn't oppressive in other ways.

They tend to despise non-white foreigners though.

He is right about China's growing environmentalism.

Awww, are your chink overlords not paying you enough?

China has been attempting to fight AGW for decades. It doesn't mean it's been effective. They still import more coal than anywhere else.

Go look up the "Great Green Wall" and how much of an ecological failure that's been because of the Chinese insistence to use monocultures for their reforestation projects.

"Communism" does not mean "central planning" any more than "capitalism" means "free markets".

pretty interesting stuff
youtube.com/watch?v=Hm81z9L5qEE

And?
Why is the chinease state forced to accommodate africans or south Americans? They can treat them however they like, you trying to micro manage other nations social policies is a form of US imperialism.

Oh no trust me, for a number of reasons built up beyond the 20th century, Asians really do despise Americans.

I mean, for Japan, you tested the first two live nuclear weapons on cities.

For Korea, split in half in a forever state of war until they get nuclear hot.

For China, well, it's China. I do find it funny Jackie Chan started shitting on Capitalism so now they sort of black listed him from film.

Vietnam? Do I even need to say shit?

Laos? Cambodia?

It goes on and on. There's not a whole lot of love left for Westerners across the continent.

has anyone read XI? Book I think I might make a thread about it. From his perspective he very much wants to play the long game and get revenge for everything from the boxer rebellion on

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Japan and S. Korea is American clay

im pretty sure viets are actually really pro-burger

China already offered to give Taiwan the freedoms it gave Hong Kong and Macau, Taiwanese "Nationalists" are essentially Asian Dixiefags.
Also it's funny how Holla Forums is siding with the social liberal taiwanese nationalists (which promote Worst Korea-tier fun) over the Traditionalist Kuomintang

Unbelieveable

I'm Viet, and while it depends,

we really aren't. Seriously the amount of shit talking that goes behind closed doors in the family is ridiculous. It may be that way in the country itself, but for all those that immigrated out after the war into America, the resentment is as real and concrete as racism in the south used to be a century ago.

Not to say I agree. But come on.

Also the resentment is still alive and well in Vietnam, the war didn't happen much long ago. You can't rape that many women, kill that many civilians, just bull doze from village to village and leave behind a fuck ton of land mines

And then not have resentment. It's lasting. The only thing I can say is, I'm not that way anymore.

dat typical asian passive-aggressiveness lmao

It's not passive in the household

China is communist

1.China is lead by Communist Party
2.That makes marxism mandotory subject in school,just like Poland did under communism along SU
3.Strict party discipline
4.Ideological debate within the party
5. Party is ruled by democratic centralism(marxist-leninist practice, used on SU)
6.National congress and polibyro meetings are limited to few days(just like in SU)
7.Multiple parties form "United front".(For example National congress of SU had 23% of it`s members as independents and not members of any party)
8.State owns nearly all land in country collectively

Sounds more like market socialism than free market capitalism to me. Hong Kong is definitely free market capitalist.

are you the "its not about defeating capitalism" guy?

No, but I`m familiar with the false-flag.

You seem to like buying their weapons though.

Post disregarded!

I'm an American citizen. And you seem to produce a lot of weapons to use, so obviously the world will use them.

DELET THIS.

I'm just saying, nations buying arms from the U.S. are usually quite friendly.

Whats wrong with the first picture? Are you a fucking normalfag or something?

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Yes, poor innocent Japan.

The Kingdom of Hawaii was an internationally recognized nation before its annexation by the United States, so it really does apply.

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wow sounds like communism really sucks then

thanks i'm a #porkymissile now

Come on, family.

friendly reminder
youtube.com/watch?v=Qgy4DxHJzE4

wew lad

Two bombs wasn't enough. And they're actually one of the most Ameriboo countries in the world

We were genuine shitters, but in the long term we're the only reason SK isn't part of the worst Stalinist shithole in the world.

Even if we didn't fuck them over 1% as hard as the average Euroshit did, as our chief political rival anti-American sentiment is at least understandable.

Charlie loves us nowadays, because the other option is a neighboring superpower that has a millenia-long history of fucking with them.

Yeah, they have every reason to hate us, but I think they've largely gotten over it, like Vietnam.

Ask the Chinese how they feel about the nukes and they'll probably laugh. You don't see the Chinese crying about "muh second Holocaust" in weeb-land. They'd rather ship American construction equipment in from over 6,000 miles away then use Jap-made equipment from next door. Maybe its cause the Japanese killed at least half a million people in China with bioweapons alone but hey what do I know.

Japan is so autistic about admitting they did anything wrong in WWII that they fucking left UNESCO over the inclusion of Chinese documents on the Nanjing massacre. The last refuge of the Jap is to scream "think about the civilians gaijin! Never again!" and "das racist whitey" while denying their fascist dictatorship and their spooky monarchy did anything wrong. I'm sorry I'm not sorry.

Japan was like a rabid dog, it would have kept on destroying and killing until it was forced to stop.

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None of that has anything to do with killing innocent. But feel free to prattle on.

Makes sense I guess.

Side-note: Would you be fine with USA dropping a nuke on Germany during the war?

Very interesting, but it doesn't change the fact that it made sense for the US to attack Japan in any way it could, including with nukes.

Well, yeah. Is a few thousand deaths from cancer more important than the brutality of Japanese imperialism, or the deaths that would have resulted if the war had been drawn out? Are atomic bombs really so much worse than the incendiaries which killed so many more people?

Sure, why not? They bombed the shit out of Germany with conventional weapons.

Are you implying that virgins are cute, young, and are babies?

Only if it caused as much butthurt as the Japs crying about "muh 200,000" and "its annudah Hiroshima" all the time. In reality Germany got bombed pretty damn hard but they got over it, they realized they were wrong; I have no problem with the Germans.

"Two bombs are for to end war" is just meme though.
It's more of "contain communism" thing.

they "got over it" because those who were bombed are all fucking dead you retard.

the CPC infilitration ITT is real

a) No they're not all dead
b) You can be angry about something that didn't happen to you
c) The Japs haven't gotten over it

Japan actually had perhaps the bulk of their overseas troops in China so it was significant. I don't know whether to call it "heroic" the term never seems to measure up to the ideal but the joint invasion of Japan was something the Soviets agreed to at Potsdam once the war with Germany was finished. I think it saved a lot of lives tbh the Japanese leadership didn't give a shit that the Americans were bombing, and even nuking Japan: foreignpolicy.com/2013/05/30/the-bomb-didnt-beat-japan-stalin-did/

The stupid move was not talking to them since 1970 and all the backstabbing "strategic planning" the US had done around the world. Trump made the right move here for once.

Taiwan is completely fucking irrelevant, what the fuck do we gain by talking to them?

Nixon did the right thing by recognizing the government that controlled 99% of China as the government of China.

KYS tbh

I'm guessing their governments are ultraconservative, Paraguay's is

Carter is the one who recognized them as the government of China, all Nixon did was normalize relations. The China relationship has not benefitted the US at all, Taiwan was always a strategic ally in the region along with South Korea and Japan. Normalizing relations with China turned out to be economic suicide and was done with sole purpose of exploiting their vast population for cheap labor. It has not benefited the average American nor the American government at all.

Are you functionally retarded?

Also I would add to this that these political games of make believe where China pretends Taiwan is still part of their country and Taiwan knows it's not but can't actually say it, are just fucking stupid and juvenile. It's all about China's own pride and fragile ego. I don't really care about either country, but I'm glad Trump normalized the idea of, "let's stop playing pretend."

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No, but you are if you don't believe a country that buys trillions of dollars in US government debt doesn't somehow benefit the US government.

Against who? Mainland China?

Stalin agreed at Yalta to attack Japan within three months of Germany's surrender, and he fulfilled that obligation at the last possible moment. If he had done it sooner a lot of lives wuld have been saved.

Sure, but the Soviet people were war-weary and its understandable that the country that had carried most of the weight in the fight against Germany wasn't ready to jump into a new war all at once. The obligation was still upheld, and regardless of whether more lives could've been saved as a result of entering the war sooner, the USSR's entrance into that front of the war still saved lives.

That guy doesn't understand realpolitik

Yes? I hope you realized America has been good terms with Japan, South Korea, Taiwan (and to a lesser extent) Singapore, to circumvent China' rise in global influence

We were also allies in both World Wars and in the second time our diplomatic friction with Japan had a great deal to do with our interests in China since she was a big trade partner and was aligned to the US.

I'm not in the habit of arguing about whether Chinese social-imperialism or US imperialism is better but our spat with China and the wars that we fought over it literally did not have to happen:

counterpunch.org/2016/12/02/the-coming-war-on-china/

It's widely acknowledged among historians that Nixon's meeting with Mao helped the US "win" the Cold War. Plus China's willingness to allow us to run huge trade deficits and to even help finance our budget deficit has kept the US a super-power capable of unilateral action when it otherwise might've begun to seriously falter.

Oh fuck off with this ridiculous pap, it's just a rehashed "Th-The Allies bullying Stalin is why he decided to annex half of Europe and the Cold War happened! Why couldn't we just ignore Soviet aggression and get along?"

You mean when he was still a guerilla movement that even Stalin assumed would ultimately be crushed by the Kuomintang after the war ended? It's almost as if he was trying to push the right buttons to ensure post-war Western support (for when "We're going to kill all the capitalists and other reactionaries once we seize power lol" just doesn't work)

In the first place, Stalin was ambivalent about Mao because 1.he didn't think Mao was a real communist 2. it was understood that the Americans had significant interests in China and he didn't want a post-war confrontation with the Americans. Meanwhile, the OSS actually gave the CPC weapons during the struggle against Japan because they didn't think the KMT was getting the job done. In fact, while Stalin was lukewarm about the CPC, there was actually a Mao Zedong lobby in the US, just like the KMT lobby. And there were people like Robert Service who were saying that the CPC had more "American-like" values and ideas then the KMT (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_S._Service).

When Mao did come to power he held out the olive branch for years, but in stead the right-wing in the US had an autistic shit-fit, and McCarthy (who was in the pay of the KMT) decided it would be a good idea to go after anyone with any left-wing sympathies in the government and/or anyone with an I.Q. level about the double digits.

Their butthurt cry was "Who Lost China?!" as the US government continued to turn down any suggestion of rapprochement with CPC they sat wondering in amazement why the Chinese were turning towards the Russians. They had noticed that the CPC was more pro-American then Russian so instead of capitalizing on that they decided to spurning the people who won the Civil War was the way to weaken Soviet influence and communism in China. It made zero sense.

You clearly don't know much about the Chinese revolution because the PRC had open capitalism until 1956 under the guise of "Peoples Democracy" (in fact on star of their flag is for the national bourgeoisie) and after largely bought out their industrial capitalist class's property to whom they paid a 5% annual interest to after that. They even had an alliance with the Hong Kong capitalist class going back to the 30s and that never ended despite the formal anti-communist rhetoric from the latter group.

The Chinese model of "socialism" had always been weak compared to the Soviet model and not just do to a relative lack of industrialization, it was also due to the fact that Chinese communists were more "liberal" in their economic and world outlook because feudalism hadn't really been overthrown in China. That's why France recognized PRC in 1962 because DeGaulle correctly understood the PRC.

If we look at China today it does trade with nearly all the Western countries and it has billionaires, it clearly is no threat to the capitalist system, in fact China is one of its key pillars. I don't think it would've made any difference if we would've recognized them sooner, if anything it would've accelerate their degeneration, most socialist countries degenerated rapidly when they began to do open business with the West. Look at Yugoslavia we spent billions of dollars building up their socialist state and they certainly weren't no threat to us. Stalin believed that Mao was a Chinese Tito and I think there's evidence to show he was right, it was in America's interest to side with China and split the socialist bloc as Nixon understood.

Instead we got taken in by the Chinese version of WE WUZ REPUBLICANZ N SHIET. Just like we got taken in by Israel and wasted trillions of dollars and millions of lives cause they couldn't handle the bantz coming from Arab nationalists who called themselves "socialists" to trick the people cause they were so spooked out by muh commies.

Questioning the Cold War religion and its theological history in America is just like questioning the Zionist religion–you're not allowed to do it.

As for the East bloc question I'd recommend you read Stalin's Wars by Geoffrey Robberts. There's plenty of evidence that Stalin wanted Eastern Europe to have relative autonomy and trade with the West, he just wanted a buffer zone between Germany and the USSR because of this little thing called WWI and WWII (the later killed 20 million Russians conservatively). The hostility towards Stalin coming from the West gave the communist parties in the "peoples democracies" the leverage they needed to push towards becoming full-fledged socialist countries. If anything Stalin was facing pressure from his left on this issue as well as pressure from the Allies who were swinging to the Right now that the threat of Germany making France a permanent summer-resort was over with.

revolutionarydemocracy.org/archive/#capchina
TL:DR I dare you to read Mao's talks with Kissinger, Ford, and Nixon and maintain that he was some kind of thorough-going communist revolutionary. He was clearly an eclectic opportunist.

How is China "social-imperialist" and not just imperialist?

I used that phrase because it still has a red-flag as its national phrase and a nominally "communist" party. In practice, its just imperialist as you point out, it has a huge private sector and private accumulation of wealth similar to a Western nation despite its large public sector.

I used the phrase simply as Lenin meant it when he was talking about the second international: "Socialism in words, Imperialism in deeds."

*national flag

Taiwan is a part of China according to China, Taiwan, the UN, the USA and everyone.
In fact, China can invade Taiwan tomorrow without breaking a single international law.

This is in contrast to the American point of view, which sees itself as an equal team member of the global community.

I've heard of the 50 cent army, but not clear on what it is

Of course, every Western nation has its cabal of idealistic idiots in government.

Yes, let's ignore Mao's fanatic hero-worship of Stalin to the point he excoriated Khrushchev for "revising" Stalin's legacy. Oh wait, let me guess, Khrushchev was the real Stalinist all along and Stalin was actually the good guy.

About that
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landlord_Classicide_under_Mao_Zedong
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_to_Suppress_Counterrevolutionaries
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-anti_and_Five-anti_Campaigns#The_Five-anti_campaign

I don't think massacring landlords and redistributing their land to the peasants or massacring businessmen and seizing their assets counts as capitalism

The rapproachment under Nixon had far more to do with the Sino-Soviet split after Stalin's death (remember, with Mao repeatedly denouncing Stalin's successors for being revisionists) than any actual similarities in ideology between Mao and Stalin.

Yeah, and ask Holla Forumss buddies at the IHR that there's plenty of evidence Hitler was just a little concerned about Stalin and didn't actually hate Slavs or order the deaths of Jews.

Isn't that the point? If you're an exporter, you don't need tariffs to protect domestic industry, because it's already strong and exporting. The point of the tariffs would be to make Chinese goods uncompetitive with US manufactured ones since US ones make up for their higher labour costs by not having to pay the tariffs.

(Which would make things cost more, but would also create more manufacturing jobs in the USA, so people have more cash to spend.)

Both South Korea and Japan are American puppet states

Nothing.

Commies are delusional.

China's paid shitposters.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party

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He is acknowledging the somewhat uncomfortable historical fact that the situation w/r/t was created by the U.S. and is maintained by the U.S. alone. Almost all instability in the region is created by consistent U.S. interference–

Though I do think it's funny that Taiwan has shifted from "we are real China" to "we were never Chinese"

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This article is probably full of shit– Wikipedia articles of China are really pathetic. "Wumao" are college students who almost exclusively post "cheerleading", which are short posts saying positive things about a local event or person– they rarely ever engage in argumentation and almost never post anywhere outside the vast Chinese net. When they argue its mostly for because they like to get a reaction since they are, after all, bored students. Most western knowledge of this phenomenon comes from a Harvard study from around 2008… An interesting conclusion of that study is that Chinese censorship is done essentially contracted out to site moderators and it basically works… Just like heavy handed moderation.

Wumao kind of act like CTR boogeymen– it first matter if they exist or not. They act as a shield for dodgy propaganda such as Falun Gong, and protect NATO friendly narratives about the PRC.

I wonder his this guy feels about the U.S.supporting Democracy is the Middke East– setting aside the fact that the US has been aiding Taiwan's government against China since long before they were a democracy.

Yes, and the pro-KMT China lobby of yesteryear (counterpunch.org/2015/05/26/china-lobby-pre-wwii-israel-lobby-pre-wwiii/) and the Israel lobby of today certainly fit the bill. The fact that there are pro-Taiwan idiots on the internet amazes me, when they've become essentially irrelevant, its not even the 1970s anymore when you could beat off to it as the latest NIC.

Let me throw out a shocking thought for a moment: What if the people who were funding and backing Mao in the US government, just like the people who backed Ho Chi Minh or Tito, did it cause they knew were doing?

With Vietnam it became hard to keep up the act when even CIA professionals came out in public to say that Ho Chi Minh and the Vietnamese communists were far more nationalist then communist. Wasn't that amply confirmed by the fact that the Vietnamese were drawn into the American web almost immediately after the war ended, sure they were more pro-Soviet than US after having had 4 million civilians killed violently but isn't it interesting that they willingly lined up for the anti-China Greater US co-prosperity sphere known as the TPP?

In this case, who was right the CIA professionals or the McCarthyist idiots and drunkards beating the war drums?
On this episode of "I-Don't-Know-What-Capitalism-Is" we have the specious argument "land reform is somehow anti-capitalist. Which means we have to consider violent land reform in 17th-18th century Europe to be imminently anti-capitalist despite the fact that it coincided with the rise of capitalism and many of its proponents were capitalists or political representatives of the rising capitalist class. Uncompensated or marginally compensated Land reform in right-wing capitalist countries such as Post-War Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan are also now proof of communism.

Also
archive.is/Ht9ZD

This may come as a surprise to you but have you considered the possibility that neither of them were Marxist-Leninists? That maybe they were just fighting over who would be the leader of the socialist camp?That maybe Hoxha was right, at least about this issue?

So you know enough about Marxism-Leninism to know what revisionism is but you'd know what the Marxist position on land-reform is–that its not necessarily anti-capitalist, that the bourgeoisie actually turned to it when they were just establishing their system. That's pretty suspicious to me tbh at least you're honest enough to admit that it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with real ideological similarities between Mao and Stalin. But you don't seem to realize that somewhat undercuts your assertion he was a hardcore revolutionary who was just playing the West to get money to carry out his communist plans.

Let's test that out: massline.org/SingleSpark/Stalin/StalinMaoEval.htm

Here is a list of Mao's quotes on Stalin, while some of them count as "hero worship" the vast majority are moderate evaluations tending to the negative portrayal, others are down right anti-Stalinist. Reading Maoist doctrine and reading these quotes its pretty clear to me that Maoism has far more in common with Titoism and Trotskyism then Stalinism. And you admit that begrudgingly but the latter ideologies are really no threat to the capitalist class imo you might say their the leading edge of it. Many of the neocons were/are """former""" Trotskyists.

Can it be said that Mao had a Titoist/Trotskyist ideology while hero-worshipping Stalin? I honestly don't think so based on those quotes I linked.

Let's see about that (revolutionarydemocracy.org/archive/ChinaAlbania.pdf):

Between January 1950 and December 1951 in the eight leading Chinese cities, 92,000 new private enterprises were set up with state support.15 Private industrial production almost doubled in the first four years after the revolution, from 6,825,000,000 yuan in 1949 to 13,109,000,000 yuan in 1953.

Interesting but what does Mao himself have to say? marx2mao.com/Mao/OSC53.html

Ok everyone knows that the early PRC was capitalist but what about the controversial era when private business was nationalized and petty-trading and production for the market was suppressed from the first link pg 14?

Wow they sound really oppressed. I think I was just overwhelmed by a wave of humanism to weep for these poor businessmen.

There's more stuff if you want to read more (marxists.org/history/erol/albania/albania-1.pdf) but suffice it to say I don't really buy the line that Mao was a leninist or that the changes that happened under Deng or Hua were all policies of their own making that didn't have precedent under Mao even during the Cultural Revolution.

cool post comrade

give me some reading recs plz