We're less than one month away from Christmas Eve, and most Venezuelans should know what that means.
The black market dollar exchange rate went from 1400 BsF/$ to 4000BsF/$ in one month, and 2500 BsF/$ to 4000 BsF/$ in one week, after being stable for a few months.
I haven't seen anyone weighing money, but it seems that we're not too far from having to do that.
Luke Ortiz
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Dominic Stewart
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Xavier Bell
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Evan Lee
That's not what I said. There are examples of socialism that failed (for different reasons). And then there is Venezuela.
Socialism is defined as democratic control of the means of production. Venezuelan production is state-owned and run by bureaucrats. This was the intent of the Venezuelan government. It cannot be socialism. If socialism complied with your strawman definition (the government controlling production) then all past and present monarchies would be examples of socialism.
Michael Walker
Could he have stopped it?
Jeremiah Richardson
He just died at the right time.
Alexander Sanders
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Dominic Ward
See my comment: Once again, if your strawman definition was correct, socialists should support monarchism.
Joseph Bell
Chavez looks like an alien
there is no point in arguing with leftists. it's only muh feels anyways
Aaron Johnson
This is impossible without representative ownership, with the socialist state representing the workers, A 1000 people can not together own a factory in the sense that one or two people can own a car.
Jacob Cook
Only selected branches of industry are nationalized. It's a capitalist, social democrat welfare state. They do have a socialist movement, but it's a weak one falling behind the revolutionary potential of the people and is not willing to take steps to actually construct socialism. I do have sympathy towards them since they did improve the living conditions for most people, but their socialist theory is bourgeoise and utterly useless at this point and needs to be overcome.
Lucas Moore
It only exists in context of dictatorship of one class or the other and not for its own sake. The venezuelan social democrat bureaucracy is attempting the impossible feat of pacifying both the bourgeoise and working class.
Josiah Rivera
As expected of an "anarcho"-capitalist, though. They are unrivalled in their sophistry.
Works fine. See cooperatives.
1000 people can certainly have _control_ of a factory. I'm not sure why it matters what sense they own it in.
Carson Sanders
And why not, pray tell.
Owen Cruz
How's socialism working for you, Holla Forums?
Doesn't seem to work for Venezuela.
Alexander Myers
Also
Gabriel James
2500 to 4100 in one week*
Camden Ortiz
How's Honduras's anarcho capitalism going for it. The place must be lousy with roads by now.
Mason Smith
literally where
Colton Cox
Can you frame the question in a manner that isn't retarded
Dominic Walker
Wew so did the Wiemar Republic prove the failure of capitalism then?
Owen Robinson
It's good to be honest, that will force the government to actually react, seize shit and distribute it directly instead of allowing corporations to hoard. Workers have already been sent to work the fields and make Venezuela self-reliable on food, the complete disruption of market exchange could leave a good window for workers to organize.
Just Capitalism, are you gonna say Chile was Socialism because Pinochet kept copper Nationalized, why is Venezuela Socialism for Nationalizing oil? Both kept their market economies, just differently regulated, like the US and Europe.
this was his doing, Maduro is fixing it.
We're not claiming they were outspoken fascists, just cryptofascists.
John Davis
fucking this < 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Jackson Butler
was response to
If you throw a banana into space and then say it rockets don't work I'll say that isn't a rocket , it's a banana.
Brody Harris
If you throw a banana into space, it falls and then say it's because rockets don't work I'll say that isn't a rocket , it's a banana.*
Jack Young
I've truly understood why right wingers say this given their romanticism, religiosity and nostalgia. Marxism is scientific.
Ryan Hernandez
Haha, you think that Maduro will react at all.
Easton Martin
Not to mention their mythical natural rights which come straight out of Christian Theology
Carter Torres
Maybe they can use the money as toilet paper
Jace Hughes
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Joshua Parker
To buy one bag of rice, you need around 45 100-bolĂvar bills. I don't even want to see how much a pair of shoes costs right now.
Kevin Garcia
one 1kg bag of rice
David Miller
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Matthew Gray
Enjoy your token factories publicly advertised as socialist enterprises while the bolibourgeois rake in massive surpluses. It will several decades until an actual revolution can occur here after so much bullshit this government has done to this country.
Not to mention still maintaining the ridiculous currency exchange which only benefits those capable of obtaining dollars through the official rates (guess who does?) and blaming a right wing propaganda website which posts the unofficial rates as the cause of the economic crisis. Fucking idiotic chavistas.
you guys should encourage him to go, lol he'll probably get killed there
Charles Peterson
lel 0/10, nice try
Lucas White
I'm on to you.
Julian Kelly
if i'm wrong explain why
Asher Foster
4500 now.
Matthew Mitchell
stay btfo, bootlickers
Kayden Cook
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Matthew Johnson
Cappies literally have no counterargument to this post
Brayden Baker
Why can't Holla Forums just fucking learn the definition of socialism?
Nearly everyone who criticizes socialism doesn't even know what it is.
Kayden Morales
i don't need to because i've seen the results of it 80 trillion people dead all because you want to give all power over to the state you fucking commies will never own anything we will destroy you something something mccarthyism didn't go far enough red scare
Aiden Barnes
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Except when we present them with evidence which compromises their narrative and they rely on muh infographs and calling people cucks.
Adrian James
Working fine in Rojava. :^)
Also, see
Brandon Brooks
Did wages rise during Zimbabwe's hyperinflation? Did people get paid more often?