Mech games tier list

Kill yourself.

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Ah, I see. Are the Front Mission games good mech games?

no, they made no changes to the game in the last year except cosmetic shit that you can buy and adding new mechs.
It's not p2w tho, there is a LOT of grind to get a new mech, but the cash you get upfont is enough to deck out at least 1 mech that will be competitive if you don't choose really poorly. I know I sound like I'm defending this shit but I just want to correct that it really isn't p2w in any way. Just usual f2p cosmetic bullshit

I'm not supporting it in a financial sense

The strategy ones are pretty good. Fuck evolved though.

Yes, as opposed to Super Robot Taisen, that are fun TRPGs, but barely mech games. In Front Mission games not only you can change pilots and weapons, but also a whole lot of parts of mechs.

If you can buy ANYTHING gameplay related with real money, it's instant 100% unquestionable pay to win. Like, there is no discussion there, holy fuck, you dumb whales will defend anything.
Fucking costumes/paintjobs/auras/anything that doesn't have stats or function - it's not p2w.
Mechs/guns/anything changing stat/character slots/storage space/boosters/etc - it's p2w. Doesn't fucking matter if you can grind to get all that, you still can fucking buy it instantly. It's the definition of p2w. Congratulations on actually making me backside bothered over obvious shit.

Evolved felt like what new Armored Core should have been, with basic controls and mech feel working perfectly fine with both KB+M and gamepad, but actual levels, forced parts, linear upgrades instead of customization and a whole bunch of other shit really dragged it down into the abyss of bad video games.

What actually is hard to grasp?
Let's pretend some unspecified game has a weapon that can be bought with both ingame and real currency.
If you buy it with ingame currency it has 10 damage and 60 accuracy.
If you buy it with real currency it has (shocker) 10 damage and 60 accuracy.
Two players of equal skill will not have an advantage over each other using the same weapon.

well, I just disagree on that definition. To me p2w is if you can get superior gameplay items with real money, that are not reasonably accessible to f2p players, and this is not the case. For example, MWO would be p2w if $ only hero mechs were superior to other variants, but they are shit and nobody uses them (they only have an increased in-game money grind rate which is not gameplay related)

also this

Armored core is shit.
Starsiege is great, you faggot.

Also, where is Macross?

Nigga I'll cut you