Holla Forums vs. MGTOW

Get what, casual sex? I hope you aren't one of those Fashy Breeders that wants white people to have as many kids as possible without actually planning for it.

Lol, no. This "movement" quite clearly has some organization and money behind it. Shit like this doesn't usually just "emerge from the woodworks spontaneously." This is almost certainly more jewish social engineering.

Because most people online who are buying into this propaganda are either young, white, betas or bitter ex-husbands who are struggling to form relationships with women, and want an easy way out. White racialism can distinguish itself by making a statement that we are against this cowardly, childish conflict-mongering.

The issue with MGTOW vs natsoc is actually quite fundamental. The only difference is a single frame of mind when starting off. Change that, and your natural conclusions go from MGTOW to natsoc or vice versa.

That one variable is hedonism. What is more important, your own personal minmaxing of pain and pleasure, or the continued existence of your people, your obligation to your people, etc. Obviously, we all side with the latter. But if someone still holds onto that fundamental presupposition that the only goal in life is to maximize personal pleasure and minimize personal pain, then MGTOW becomes a logical conclusion.

So to solve the MGTOW problem, THIS is the point that needs to be addressed. Not "virgin shaming" or any of that dumb shit. You need to convince these guys that continuing our own races existence is important, and that just saying "I don't care what happens after I die" is the wrong attitude to have.

Of course, it always ends up being EXTREMELY HARD to convince people that fully embrace this hedonistic, nihilistic POV. But again, that is the point that needs to be argued.

Lol, no. Obviously no. But you need to be able to talk to girls in your life. Being confidant is nice. You'll like it. But obviously you don't need many women. You just need to find one honest woman. If you can't do that, you have nobody to blame but yourself.

Well said. Any suggestions as to how to convey this concept in a concise format that can be digested and understood in 5 seconds?

Need proofs.

It did after more men were getting burned by divorce. No wonder they're walking away. Change the system, bring back incentives (that's the biggest issue right now, not enough appealing incentives for men to want to contribute to the world), and you'll see guys more eager and hopeful toward the future.

Until that time? Expect 'MGTOW' to only grow in numbers.

There are no honest women in a sick society. And that's why people are drawn to mgtow crap instead of getting married, and then divorce raped. Thinking you can actually have a functional family in the usa right now is just naive.

Unfortunately, no. I'm not really sure how to succinctly address the broader problem, which is hedonism. Perhaps trying to make an appeal to culture. Something that says "these are all the wonders that our ancestors have built, and this is what you are helping throw away for our descendants"

Also, I believe that the MGTOW problem will probably at least partially sort itself out if we can start improving things first. Part of what leads people along the path of hedonism/nihilism is this conscious-or-unconscious idea that everything is hopeless, there's nothing we can do to fix our situation, and we should all just give up and die. And honestly, it's not hard to see WHY people would think this way, seeing how things are the way they are. But it also means if that if we get some improvement (whether economic, social, or spiritual) going on, it can help uplift these downtrodden people who have given up, and get them to see that there is a glimmer of hope.

So perhaps the answer is to give them hope.

I don't remember the precise quote, but it's something along the lines of "plant a tree knowing that you won't be around to sit under its shade."
Butchered the shit out of that I'm sure, but by and large that mentality is gone. If you restore that vantage point, you will help society prosper and undo its sickness.