Holla Forums vs. MGTOW

Get what, casual sex? I hope you aren't one of those Fashy Breeders that wants white people to have as many kids as possible without actually planning for it.

Lol, no. This "movement" quite clearly has some organization and money behind it. Shit like this doesn't usually just "emerge from the woodworks spontaneously." This is almost certainly more jewish social engineering.

Because most people online who are buying into this propaganda are either young, white, betas or bitter ex-husbands who are struggling to form relationships with women, and want an easy way out. White racialism can distinguish itself by making a statement that we are against this cowardly, childish conflict-mongering.

The issue with MGTOW vs natsoc is actually quite fundamental. The only difference is a single frame of mind when starting off. Change that, and your natural conclusions go from MGTOW to natsoc or vice versa.

That one variable is hedonism. What is more important, your own personal minmaxing of pain and pleasure, or the continued existence of your people, your obligation to your people, etc. Obviously, we all side with the latter. But if someone still holds onto that fundamental presupposition that the only goal in life is to maximize personal pleasure and minimize personal pain, then MGTOW becomes a logical conclusion.

So to solve the MGTOW problem, THIS is the point that needs to be addressed. Not "virgin shaming" or any of that dumb shit. You need to convince these guys that continuing our own races existence is important, and that just saying "I don't care what happens after I die" is the wrong attitude to have.

Of course, it always ends up being EXTREMELY HARD to convince people that fully embrace this hedonistic, nihilistic POV. But again, that is the point that needs to be argued.

Lol, no. Obviously no. But you need to be able to talk to girls in your life. Being confidant is nice. You'll like it. But obviously you don't need many women. You just need to find one honest woman. If you can't do that, you have nobody to blame but yourself.

Well said. Any suggestions as to how to convey this concept in a concise format that can be digested and understood in 5 seconds?

Need proofs.

It did after more men were getting burned by divorce. No wonder they're walking away. Change the system, bring back incentives (that's the biggest issue right now, not enough appealing incentives for men to want to contribute to the world), and you'll see guys more eager and hopeful toward the future.

Until that time? Expect 'MGTOW' to only grow in numbers.

There are no honest women in a sick society. And that's why people are drawn to mgtow crap instead of getting married, and then divorce raped. Thinking you can actually have a functional family in the usa right now is just naive.

Unfortunately, no. I'm not really sure how to succinctly address the broader problem, which is hedonism. Perhaps trying to make an appeal to culture. Something that says "these are all the wonders that our ancestors have built, and this is what you are helping throw away for our descendants"

Also, I believe that the MGTOW problem will probably at least partially sort itself out if we can start improving things first. Part of what leads people along the path of hedonism/nihilism is this conscious-or-unconscious idea that everything is hopeless, there's nothing we can do to fix our situation, and we should all just give up and die. And honestly, it's not hard to see WHY people would think this way, seeing how things are the way they are. But it also means if that if we get some improvement (whether economic, social, or spiritual) going on, it can help uplift these downtrodden people who have given up, and get them to see that there is a glimmer of hope.

So perhaps the answer is to give them hope.

I don't remember the precise quote, but it's something along the lines of "plant a tree knowing that you won't be around to sit under its shade."
Butchered the shit out of that I'm sure, but by and large that mentality is gone. If you restore that vantage point, you will help society prosper and undo its sickness.

Precisely. Things like MGTOW are the final form of hedonism, but the problem has gone back decades now. The most obvious example being the boomers, who have done everything they can to suck up as many resources for themselves as they possibly could, while kicking the negative effects down the timeline until after they're dead. An example of this is how many boomers are getting reverse mortgages so they can get some extra cash right now to spend on frivolous vacations and such, while also making sure their children get no inheritance or the house when they die. That sort of thinking of "fuck my offspring, they're on their own and they don't deserve a single dime"

I approve of this memeing. The /r9k/ incursion on Holla Forums has always been the worst sort of degeneracy.

NEET and manchild are completely orthogonal concepts. Many (likely most, in absolute numbers) manchildren are employed or students and thus not NEETs. A manchild is somebody who preoccupies himself with things that are for children. For instance Harry Potter fandom, watching cartoons, excessive video gaming, burying himself in DnD books, collecting star wars toys, pokemon, etc.

Work in tech and you'll see employed men who excessively indulge in all of these. They are manchildren. Men who consume like children.

straw man

actually, if you look back far enough, it did. Doesn't mean the jews haven't taken it over or pushed it more recently though, I haven't kept up

show us your tits

Nobody is ever ready for children. People who wait until they're ready end up getting mentally deformed autistic children because they're past their prime reproductive age. In past decades before (((birth control))) you had a kid when you had a kid, not when you wanted to. That is the natural mode of reproduction for white people. Planning your parenthood is a jewish plot to decrease white fertility.

When I said planning, I meant actually being ready to raise kids, not waiting until you are ready to settle down at 40. People like you almost sound like niggers with how badly you want white men to risk ruining their lives over muh birfrates. How many divorces are you willing to go through to breed for the white race?

Inevitably this means
So you keep on using birth control and putting it off year after year, waiting for the right promotion, then before you know it your wife is 35 years old and your child is incapable of socialization.

Even if you did make 200k a year and had the ideal situation for raising kids, what exactly is stopping your wife from leaving when she finds someone better or gets bored? Will your neighbors stone her for adultery?

If they aren't going to adhere to the 14 words and provide a future for white children then they aren't natsoc, end of story. The only way a MTGOW can redeem themselves is by going full-on Dylan Roof.

This goy said all the stuff I was gonna say. But I'd add this;

Lots of men are MGTOW now and disenfranchised and don't understand why. Many already lean right and if we showed them that feminism is Jewish then we could seriously swell our ranks. Most of them probably just don't know the scoop with kikes being the reason everything is all fucked.

tits or gtfo

Good point, your wife could divorce you so you should give up on ever trying to reproduce! Fuck continuing the white race and shit, there is risk involved so we should all give up now!

Kill yourself, seriously.

E. Michael Jones on Barren Metal; British Empiricism vs German Idealism
you tube.com/watch?v=W4p7A0EtZqg

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mgtwo is a consequence of being a cityfaggot. chase liberal garbage you get liberal garbage.

If you want mgtow to stop looking like a better deal than finding a woman and starting a family, make starting a family more attractive. Right now women have power over men in almost all parts of society and getting married means handing over your life to a woman. And if you aren't some naive idiot you know what happens when you give them responsibility. Look at Germany or any HR department.

MGTOW exists because starting a family forces you to take a ride on some one else's roller coaster.

Independence of man is gone. Society, women, and Government are becoming shit. Half of marriages fail. Beyond that how many are shit? Pay Government a shit ton of taxes for niggers and Israel. Debt still goes way up anyway. get divorced. Lose everything. Alimony or child support. Left with nothing.

A situation of a happy family with a strong male leader is becoming harder and harder. You fucks will criticize someone who isn't able to become the ideal. At least give them credit for realizing they can't make it happen. failure equals wage slavery and compromise.

this is about all there is to it

and the reason I don't attack mgtow is because many are just frustrated and want to or are trying to change the system, as are we. Instead, use precision to attack the hedonists/degenerates among them, or redirect the ones trying to change legalities, or teach them about larger cultural marxism and then on to the jew.

In my personal experience:

A man I know who makes a lot of money refuses to continue relationships with women who try to have sex on the first date.

Another man, this time with blonde hair blue eyes, is depressed with his life because of the "vapid sluts" he's had as gfs

One man is in college, he's completely opted out of relationships independent of knowing about MGTOW

All three are jealous of me because in my pre-redpill days I had a trad gf and wasted the opportunity

I'm not an MGTOW but I'm not a hypocrite either. I can understand the MGTOW logic.

Bigger Jews to gas. If you see them trying to recruit, getting pushy with their ideology then give them a slap. It's their business. They don't want to marry? Have children? No fucks given.Otherwise, you've become the Jew.

Being raised without a father is hell.

Its better not being born man.

t.single moms son.

Kill yourself.

I don't get the MGTOW hate. I've never looked into them but isn't their philosophy just to stop giving a fuck what other people think about you and living your life for yourself doing things that make you happy?

Their philosophy prioritizes hedonism over reproduction, and therefore over the future of the white race. It is fundamentally incompatible with National Socialism.

Nice detail there, OP.

Blaming MGTOW is like being the doctor who treats the symptoms and not the problem.

There's a lot of issues with it, but from a pragmatic POV, the issue is that it's white men giving up on society and decided to hide away and not have children. Do I need to explain why this is an issue, in the current society?

Honestly, I wouldn't give a shit if there was a fraction of men who just wanted to give up and die off if we lived in a homogeneous society with no demographic issues. But that's not the world we live in. We are being replaced and our birthrates are too low. And then on top of this, we have tons of ACTUALLY REDPILLED men decided to end their genetic legacy instead of having lots of children and making sure those children grow up redpilled and traditional.

And the whole "b-but they started it first!" attitude doesn't change the issue.

Blaming MGTOW is blaming grown men who refuse to be apart of the solution, and instead revel in degeneracy. Instead of swearing off women they should seek to improve women and themselves, and defeat the jews.

Well stated.

How do you do that when modern society encourages and financally rewards women to be the worst people they can be.

Funny how these always pop up when we're being raided.

I think one way we can bridge the gap with the MGTOWs is coming up with ways to address many of their financial concerns. For instance, ways to hide wealth from your spouse, whether that's in the form of secret accounts or gold bricks or buttcoin whatever.

If you're just going to give up, then at least go out with a bang like Dylann Roof.

MGTOWs aren't supposed to proselytize.
their whole motto is 'let men come to us, the system will drive people away by it's own merit'

Man up. Despite the odds being stacked against you, traditional women still exist. And just about any woman who hasn't already permanently degraded herself can be made to follow a man if the man is strong enough. Women are natural followers, and men are natural leaders. But MGTOW are beta faggots who have forgotten how to lead.

Somebody who is MGTOW is saying they're too weak, too pathetic, to lead a woman. Improve yourself, then find a woman and improve her. Giving up because the odds are stacked against you, or because you think it's hard is for faggots. If you're going to give up, then at least have the guts to kill yourself.

Oh look, it's the (((user))) who is incredibly triggered by AWM art. Filtered for being a kike.

I want to fight in the war, not pointlessly martyr myself like an inbred suicide bomber

All their financial concerns fundementally stem from paralyzing risk aversion. They're cowards who aren't willing to stick their neck out for the white race. That cowardice needs to be addressed.

I have honest woman

How can you possibly think yourself capable of fighting a war when you're too scared to have white children?

because death is freedom from this gay planet

This is nothing more than a cleverly disguised mgtow thread
mgtow are losers who nobody cares that they are going their own way. Let them go their own way white people are better of without these weak genes in their gene pool
saged and reported as slide thread with a topic not welcome in Holla Forums

He's just assblasted that AWM has contributed infinitely more to the struggle for our race than he ever will.

a large part of their mindset is post-hoc rationalization. They subconsciously over-exaggerate just how bad things are and pretend women and divorce rates are so unbearable bad that the concept is just untenable.

And they overstate the risk. for instance, they'll cite divorce stats that don't take into account serial offenders, shotgun marriages, race-mixers, degenerates, etc. The studies also just use a binary metric of divorce vs no divorce, rather than looking at time to divorce on a hazard curve (that is to say, a divorce after 3 years is a lot different than a divorce 30 years later after the kids are grown up and out of the house). And that's not counting the fact that once you're redpilled, you KNOW how women act, you know what redflags to avoid are, and you know how to handle/treat women instead of being a beta cuck who gets walked over.

Play your cards right and have half a brain, and this won't be a problem.

this is a blatant D/C thread

Hating society doesn't mean jack shit if you're just going to relish in the decline instead of helping.

Then kill yourself faggot. Do society some good, quit wallowing in pathetic hedonism.

I'm pretty sure he's an ADL kike who's concerned that AWM became active again. AWM's drawings have proven massive memetic impact, so the jews fear him. Thus they want to separate Holla Forums from him.

They absolutely fear AWM. Notice how they'll go on and on about Pepe, but they won't dare touch the happy merchant.

What "division" are you suggesting? That you'll be so triggered by being told to improve yourself and follow the 14 words, you'll leave Holla Forums?

Correct on all counts.

I wonder if any of the people itt saying find a huwhite woman and get married for muh birfrates actually live in a western european country or the usa and have experienced what divorce does to children, or are even married themselves. It just sounds like a lot of larping without any real examples. I just need to "man up" and have more power than the US government to get a traditional woman, I guess.

Nobody said it'd be easy faggot. You do whatever little you can to help instead of making things worse.
MGTOW make it worse the same way feminists do, they pit women and men against each other despite the two working together for the whole existence of mankind.

Do you have a list for this or something similar?

stop making everything black and white. You fucking brainlet.

MGTOW isn't about degeneracy. It's about independence are pursuing worthwhile pursuits without the carrot of sex and shit women.

You faggots need to stop being so hardlined. Be constructive or shut the fuck up.

You're on Holla Forums and you don't know what to look out for in a woman? No, I don't have a list. There's a basic gestalt that any uncucked man should have in their mind.

Kill yourself faggot.

Maybe you should stop consuming so much jewish media, stop watching pornography and lurking social media. Leave your house, leave the city, and go spend time with actual people. Functional white families still exist all across America. You could have that too if you put the effort in. But instead you choose to be a defeatist who's decided that "it's too hard" so you won't even try. You're absolutely pathetic. Improve yourself, or kill yourself.

You haven't sold me on women or dating at all, in fact you've done the exact opposite.

But maybe that's the point.

And this right here is why arguing with a MGTOW is like trying to convince someone to eat foot lest they starve.

Yeah good points there, you really convinced me to get married in 2017 you larping retard

What are you even doing here if you're not a national socialist?

'Potential' implies that Holla Forums and NatSoc hasn't been counterantinatalist from the start. Fucking lurk moar, you goddamned faggot.

The obvious things like problem glasses and pink hair, sure. The subtle things are more tricky.

The biggest problem that nobody seems to address is that MGTOW aren't doing this for emotional reasons, they're doing it for pragmatic reasons.
In today's society, it's a huge fucking gamble to settle down with a woman, because even if you think you found the right one, there's always that unbalanced option on her side to just nuke everything and still extract resources from you.

They've seen what women can do to men, through suits, divorce, child support, etc. If Holla Forums is to do something about this, they need to stop fucking blaming the MGTOW for making the most pragmatic choice, and present them with a choice that both continues the race, and is less risky than rotting away alone, but safe.

It's the same tired bitching.
Until the root of the problem is fixed, again, MGTOW is only going to continue growing. Rational men don't risk their livelihood because of traditionalist LARPing.

MGTOW sit around all day playing children's games and watching cartoons while refusing to grow up or take on the burdens and responsibilities of being members of their blood and nation.

A man stops being a boy and becomes a man when he first accepts, willingly, the weight of duty upon his shoulders. It could happen when he is nine, it could happen when he is thirty, or it could never happen at all.

Manchild is a completely apt and accurate slur that any Fascist would use to describe such an irresponsible dutyless post-adolescent adolescent individualist.

MGTOW deserve to be called manchildren all day every day until they either flee to the safe space of their darkened basements or are shamed into growing the fuck up.

The fact that the term makes you recoil so deeply says more about you than anything else. Cutting a little close to the quick, are we?

hmm

Look for a woman who's parents are still happily married, and who still has a healthy relationship with her father who is a strong male role model in her life. Make yourself a stronger male role model, while maintaining a good relationship with her father. Do that and you'll be 90% of the way there.

Other obvious redflags:
>covered in tattoos (one or two small tattoos is far from ideal, but the more the worse)
>excessive interest in traditionally male hobbies (Particularly hobbies that her father doesn't participate in. If she likes deer hunting with her father, that's not the end of the world. If she likes spending her time playing video games, that's a problem. That's attention-seeking behavior.)

THIS IS THE STUPIDEST SHIT IVE EVER READ. PLSRIP OUT MY EYES FAM

It's none of that, mgtow is a response to feminist laws and a society that favors women over men. You are naive if you won't admit that these things are a huge problem. It's like a cancer on our civilization that people like you would prefer to ignore and just keep saying that we will make it if we keep trying.

MGTOW is a black and white issue, because MGTOW-tards have made a binary decision to not reproduce. MGTOW is a degenerate philosophy, full stop.

It's really not, if you're not autistic. You just go on your gut instinct and deprogram yourself from all the kike propaganda.

Here are some fundamental red flags:
Not a comprehensive list, but you get the idea.

As far as how to treat women, the PUA guys aren't actually wrong here. It's that that they embrace the hedonism and the decline by using their knowledge of how to treat women by using it to just get tons of easy sex rather than using the knowledge to lock down a good woman and keep her

it makes perfect sense, the point is it's the sick jewish society they are reacting to. Traditional advice in the new society is what led so many of them to being exploited for divorcebux or disenchanted by hedonistic women in the first place.

cunt detected
OP disappears and you show up, consider my almonds activated

no, it comes from an aversion to parasitism, just like most of us don't want to fund jews. It's only mistaken when they are so afraid of parasitism they resent having kids at all (kids and wives are naturally parasitical so the aversion has to be suppressed somewhat with hormones/bonding or culture.) But not wanting to work for decades to fund a woman if she betrays you is perfectly reasonable from both rational and biological standpoints. It's slavery to a traitor at that point.

Consider me baited into a reply, won't happen again though.

And yet it's growing, as are other degenerate philosophies. Why?

I wouldn't call myself MGTOW. They have good points and alot of bitterness.

I want a happy family on a farm away from the treachery of the Jew. Pretty hard to obtain in my opinion.

Anyway - I am curious as to what the response to MGTOW will be. They are saying fuck you to the system. and fucking up shekel flow for useless government spending.

Either man up or kill yourself. Hedonist fence-sitters like you are part of the problem.

So do I.
Having a family and raising kids is something that would otherwise sound appealing to me were it not for the fact that the modern woman today is by no means marriage material.
And I'd really rather not deal with Shlomo Lawyerberg were it to end.

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It's only pragmatic if you're self-absorbed and only care about yourself rather than your people.
Also, many of the concerns of MGTOW are EXTREMELY overblown. Yes, there is absolutely a problem with women and all that right now. But it's not so bad that all is lost and you shouldn't even attempt to find a good woman.

You can keep doing your fashy breeding, I am not going to become a slave.

They're doing it for what they perceive to be pragmatic reasons because they are risk adverse to a fault. They don't want to risk their hedonistic lifestyles to further the white race.

Such cowardly men cannot call themselves National Socialists.

is not organizing issues as black or white too hard for you? You fucking brainlet.

Flood the country with shitskin migrants to replace us even faster. Wow, those MGTOWs really stuck it to the man!

This entire thread is full of "his people" telling him to kill himself. And you expect him to just walk back in to the shitshow that is marriage in the modern age?

You're absolutely pathetic. Men have laid down their lives to fight for what they believe in, but you aren't even willing to risk your possessions? You are lower than dirt.

What exactly is your argument? "waah Holla Forums is being a big meanie now I'll definitely never care for my race!"

And once again, I'm going to tell you that this futile depiction of modern marriage is overblown. It's nowhere near as bad as you convince yourself that it is. Are there problems? Yes, of course. But as long as you're not a dumb beta retard, it's really not beyond the pale. Stop this post-hoc justification of why you should never ever settle down and have white children.

That's not an argument.
When I say "pragmatic" I refer to things like financial stability, secure ownership of your property, not being dragged through courts, etc.

Believe it or not, I'm not even MGTOW, I'm just representing their case with that post. And as I predicted, you have failed spectacularly to provide any answers to the problem.

So again, I'll repeat. What actions should the average MGTOW take, that is both beneficial to the continuation of his race, and less risky than dating?

That is a good point. MGTOW isn't going to make a big impact in my opinion. Maybe. it would happen without it. The debt is so immense the only way to get out is to have lots and lots of wage slaves to tax. Importing zombie voters is already top agenda of democrats.

You don't consider it an argument because the frame of your argument is flawed. Yeah, if all you care about is your own immediate risks and benefits, then MGTOW seems like the best option. The point I'm making is that your entire basis is wrong.

I've been shamed so much your tradcon pussybegging is in vain.
NO GTFO

Maybe I'd be more inclined to reproduce if I didn't have a better chance of a game of Russian roulette. To have my wages garnished for years. To never get to see my children because of (((family courts)))

Fine. You be the breeders I'll be the foot soldier. What does it matter at this point. Both tasks need manpower.

Still waiting on that explanation, bud.

No.

Okay.

No, not interested in tone policing, just pointing out that saying "kill yourself" is only going to drive people further away from your cause. You make it clear that you don't give a single shit or a fuck about the wellbeing of your fellow white man, so don't act shocked when they'd rather not play the game.

You're not very convincing.

its not just possessions. You go to fucking jail if you don't pay child support or alimony. You literally can be put into slavery to fund a treacherous cunt.

I think you are living in 1850 and not 2017

There is NOTHING stopping a woman from leaving you, even if you have children with her, and it's actually encouraged by society. The laws that we have encourage divorce. She can leave you, take your kids, and make you pay for it, by force by the government, even if the kids aren't yours. And you are trying to make that sound reasonable?

Do us all a favor and pull an Anders Breivik, and sooner rather than later. If you're not going to help continue our race, at least do us all a favor and take out the chosenites that work against us.

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I'm not convincing because the only one who convince anyone of anything is himself. You choose to believe that marriage and modern gender dynamics are so bad that it's completely untenable. You choose to believe things are worse than they actually are. There's no reasoning with someone like that.

Trips of Truth. MGTOW are the epitome of manchildren.

Because of jewish subversion of society and weak spined faggots like you who are all too happy to go along with it.

Your problem is that while you claim to have rejected feminism, you have not actually rejected the fundamental premise of sexual egalitarianism. You expect women to meet the same standards as men, even though that is biologically absurd. Women are not equal to men, but that doesn't make them parasites. To call women parasites and swear them off is to abandon the 14 words. Abandoning reproduction is abandoning your race.

If you're not a National Socialist, then what the fuck are you even doing here?

MGTOW have made a binary decision, and are thus degenerate. It's a black and white issue. There is no "gray area" to refusing to have white children.

Why are you here?

I could ask you why someone that sounds like they are from TRS is here but that's not an argument.

There is no problem. We all know everyone here at Holla Forums are uber-alphas who will never have problem with court or sluts and will have 10 children each while mgtows are going to continue playing videogames.

wasted

just pretend the guns not loaded, the stats are exaggerated, boyim

Absolutely pathetic.

Men have laid down their lives for their race, but you're scared of being thrown in prison for missing child support payments so you won't even try. Lower than dirt.

Pick one and only one. Go risk your assets if that's what you brings you satisfaction.

Fix the laws surrounding marriage, make it so its not a risk to one's livelihood and you'll get things back on track.
Didn't a daughter's father used to pay the man to marry her? "Dowry" it's called isn't it?

lol

Nigger, I've been on Holla Forums since Holla Forums was /n/. You're a coward who won't reproduce and have no right to call yourself a National Socialist. Go back to /r9k/ where you belong, then kill yourself.

webm for you OP. And for all the MGTOW faggots in this thread to watch and learn from.

O I am laffin.

go get married like you are saying everyone else should do and stop shitposting

won't get baited again, cunt

Raise children without getting married for all I care. But that's not what MGTOW advocates. You faggots advocate abandoning reproduction entirely because you're too cowardly to risk failure.

The birthing of white children cannot be put on hold for more tenable political circumstances. That's not how human reproduction works.

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No faggot, I've already explained it to you I'm not going to be throwing my life away frivolously.

if there's a war, I'm there muh glory and killing leftist bolshevik scum and everything.
But if you want me to kamikaze like an autist then you clearly don't give a fuck about me and I will do nothing for you.

Honestly I don't know, I guess I get off the adrenaline? I enjoy doing high risk shit for some reason. And a majority of women have been shit to me for my whole life so going out of my way for them is ridiculous.
so what

I never said I was mgtow, but I can understand them

Makes sense, thanks.

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Thanks for outing yourself. Reported.

Without white children, there is nothing to fight a war for.

I come from a predominately white area and the families that weren't Christian were living in trailer parks getting beaten by their parents.

Then when i go to cities and meet people who grew up non-christian and atheist they are the stupidest morons I have met. Mad at world and see everyone and every living thing with "dead eyes". A very holier-than-thou attitude that could only ever listen to someone like brainwashing Sam Harris

tbh lad, kys

then get breeding, clearly I'm not getting any pussy.

It's all of that and more. Instead of fighting, which is the man response, you give up. You failed to pass the civilizational shit-test. For the sake of petty non-revenge against a vocal minority that is already doomed by their own actions, you would watch your entire civilization burn and your blood go extinct from the face of the earth.

You are all manchildren, and you deserve to be mocked for your lack of authentic masculine values until you either kill yourselves or accept the accusation and do something to change it.

You are a genetic dead end lusting after cartoons and gook pornstars. Instead of building a better future for your children and working to secure the existence of your people, you devote all of your time and energy into complaining and whining. You rebel, but it is a kosher rebellion that results in more degeneracy and less white people. You are the limited hangout for the real redpill. You are the controlled opposition.

If every MGTOWfag dropped dead in the next five seconds, the entire world would be better off for it, especially these spaces, where your presence is a cancer on the far right and an inhibitor to our shared goals of cultural conservatism and radical traditionalist revolution.

Not much of an argument, kike.

And yet, the birthrates, and the marriage rates, continue to decline. Appeal to nature with respect to reproduction sways no one in this day and age.
You think some of the users here challenging your mentality is bad? On faceberg it's nothing short of a nightmare. Most comments on articles about declining birthrates are met with "good muh climate change! too many people overpopulation and sheeit!"
It's so, so much fucking worse than the MGTOW you're annoyed by. These are normalfags, often in relationships, choosing to go full DINK lifestyle.

If you lack the personal strength to improve yourself, you'll be worse than worthless in any war.

We've only had a new BO for an hour and the shills don't even bother changing IPs anymore.

If you don't think that's a problem, you do not belong here.

I'm not saying the courts aren't against our favor. I'm saying you choose to believe the DEGREE to which things are against our favor is worse than it actually is. You choose to believe that there is an insurmountable probability of being cucked, divorced, slapped with alimony payments, and forced into jail. Now, this is all possible, I'm not disputing that. What I'm disputing is the notion that these things are all likely to happen.

Yes, there is risk. You can minimize risk without becoming a monk who contributes to the decline through inaction.

And for fucks sake, stop using social media. It's giving you a warped perspective on the reality of our situation. Only narcissistic people use social media, the more narcissistic they are the more actively they use it. Using social media selects narcissists to be your representative sample of the average woman, drawing your worldview away from reality.

I think one of the major problems here in this thread is we're arguing against their egos. Convincing somebody to improve themselves means getting them to admit they require improvement. Their egos resist this.

I DO think it's a problem. A huge problem, but I'm also not retarded enough to stick my head in the sand and pretend that the court system isn't an absolute nightmare.

The best course of action, then, is to actively work and mitigate those risks before first going after men opting out. When it becomes less of a gamble to get involved in a relationship with women, when it's far more safe, then you can objectively look at guys who want no part of it and tell them that they're the ones missing out.

Right now? They're the ones who look at married men with pity and a sense of "glad I'm not that guy."

The issue is these are real people, often in real relationships, who unironically have these views.

And what percentage of women uses social media? 90%? 95%?
Your shrieking about how pathetic we are doesn't really stick, because we've heard that non-argument so much it doesn't hold any weight anymore.

Im not MGTOW.

They have a point fuck face. A lot of women are shit. Honestly, of all the women i've ever known only a very small number strike me as wife material. If you can handle a normie life of keeping up with the jones's, constant interest shekel payments, and a corporate career FUCKING GOOD FOR YOU. It's really hard for me to be "normal". You realize alot of MGTOW see a normie life as a hollow existence that is forced upon them. For if they step outside the system their life could be destroyed.

Living a life slave to a pussy is not a way to go through life. Think about that. There are greater pursuits. having said that, a goal in life should be to have children. that is what I want. I just want to live in a different world. I want to be part of a community I love. I want to spend my time with family. Avoid hollow materialism. Avoid corporatism. Now how is that so easy to obtain?

Fucking wannabe.

TITS OR GTFO

Nobody is asking you to pretend the system, be it courts or otherwise, isn't rigged against us. We're asking you to fight anyway, even against unfair odds. Because the white race is worth fighting for, even if it's hard. Even if there is risk. Even if it kills you.

We're in the middle of a race war. Fight.

The existence of narcissists should not dissuade you from fighting for the white race.

Not even close. Your perception of reality is completely warped.

No, they don't. Their philosophy leads to the extinction of the white race. Their philosophy is thus an enemy of National Socialism.

Women are necessary for the continuation of the white race. That isn't parasitism, that's the nature of your species. Stop denying biology.

Fucking find a rope already.

Be it through cowardice or malice, you're making yourself an enemy of the white race.

Provide facts. Proof. A source.

muh breeding

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your being useless and dogmatic.

Remind me, what are the 14 words?

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A good woman conforms herself to your political believes. If she already has strong political believes before you meet her, you need to seriously consider where those strong political beliefs came from because normal women won't do that to themselves. If her right wing political beliefs came from her father, that's going to be fine. If they came from a previous man, that's a redflag. If she came up with them herself, she's not normal and you need to be wary of that.

I know what they are, and they don't say mindlessly get white girls pregnant for muh birfrates

The future for white children will be single moms beating them and making them into trannies.

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I don't think you do.

u must be a woman

If you think that white men renouncing reproduction is defensible, then you are anti-white. Reproduction is the future of the white race, to renounce reproduction is to renounce the white race itself.

You're a degenerate that would get a dozen white girls pregnant just to feel good about yourself and your own ideas, and not thinking of the consequences.

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I tried to address this issue on Holla Forums before. Not regarding mgtow but the issue with women being a massive problem destroying families that Holla Forums refuses to address.

Best idea/solution i was able to figure out with some anons was basically skip over the millenial filth and start hitting up 18yo Gen-Z virgins.

I have a slew of mental defects that make me want to kill myself everyday. I probably will, but am holding out for the day when I can kill niggers and lefties.

I find it irresponsible to pass these diseases onto other human beings. Am I welcome as a bachelor soldier or should I not bother?

MGTOW are just (((misguided))) traditionalists duped into an anti-family, self-castration CULT that manipulates their insecurities to create pointless gender wars over false exaggerated myths like "muh alimony". At this point, they are on the same tier as Sjws or Vegans, with all their "you won't talk down this smart man here with your SHAMING TACTICS", "muh true version of mgtow that has never been tried™", only preaching about how great it is for people to go their "own way" and stay away from dem "evil" white woman (oy vey) and instead focus on purchasing some material goods just to leave to some old uncle when they die alone and unable to defecate on their own.

And it sounds like a gay romance title. At least use it as a platform to redpill people on who is behind this, making sure you bring them back to healthy ideas, traditionalism and raising european families, just like National Socialists did.

that is some MGTOW.

Some MGTOW focus on honorable pursuits. They do have a huge SJW tier anti woman stance. However, alot of them want to have a family. Just in a different place. A different world.

The more you talk, the more obvious it is that you are not white. Self-hating mulattos and happas aren't welcome here.

If you have sex with one virgin gen-z without marrying her first, you are the problem. And unless you are a virgin yourself, you're filth that deserves filth.

Hello shill. Will you also desperately try to preach me about how EVIL and unhealthy it is to eat meat so to convince me that your new died was the best thing ever? Please do tell more… on Leddit, fuck off faggot

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you are a triggered fucking moron. Read what I wrote again because you are acting fucking confused. I am not MGTOW.

What, you think children just pop out and fend for themselves? Or did you miss the part about how our aversion to parasitism is a liability when it comes to women and kids, which is why we are genetically disposed to white and feel fuzzy around them?

Remove the cum from your eyes and you might read better.

I didn't even read what you say, I hate MGTOW faggots that much. They are "going their own way", to be huge, useless faggots. They are like the monks in the middle ages, riddance for bad genes, brotherly faggotry, members of a cult. But at least monks had some "purpose", be it diddle children or whatever, unlike these idiots.

MGTOW and other cucks who don't want to reproduce because "muh laws are bad" (it's not - alimony is capped at 30% of your income no matter how many children, and is designed for niggers and junkies who beat their wives) are a waste of resources…

Sorry about that…

funny how the thread just dies when certain people quit sperging

just a coincidence

Go slurp the previous 50 mens' semen from your wife's snatch. Women must be eradicated and replaced by artificial wombs.

Obviously i mean marriage.

If i recall, it wasn't recommended for men in the thread, the reason being inexperienced men dont know how or when to say no and be authorative with the wife and their inexperience leads to problems such as rebuking unwarrented female jealousy and "shit tests" (im not sure how else to describe the odd name and phenomenon). For men, experience had a lot of long term benefit. It was recommended to have a home and car under your name if possible before marriage. Remove the ability to be fleeced by a possible divorce.

Theres a lot Holla Forums is letting go undiscussed regarding men and fathers predicaments as it gets shut down here, that mgtow isnt shying away from asking which is why it is growing for men. This is making them far more advanced in relationship behaviors when it comes to women than Holla Forums. The problem is that they essentially forfeit the game which longterm wise is bad because society needs to remove current politicians and change laws to remove the yids and their influence.

Let us say they are right hypothetically, what then? Dont lynch niggers and jews like ferdinand the bull? Bullshit.

Holla Forums has the best goals, HOWEVRR don't want to discuss the obsticles preventing reaching that goal because white knight manginas get offended that women are sabotures.

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Having a wife and kids and feeding the ZOG machine with tax money and new white bodies isn't fighting. One man with a scoped rifle who kills 5 major ZOG kikes will do more than 1000 of you retards having 4 children apiece.

I believe i already suggested thst this is the one way MTGOW can redeem themselves for not following the 14 words. Of course, MTGOW never does this, preferring to complain about how the world is so unfair, play video games, jerk off to anime, and wait for the artificial womb (which they will never be allowed to use even when it is invented).

There is no way to be MTGOW and also follow the 14 words. Its been long established that not following the 14 words is the same as race treason.

Be autonomous, it's what you should do anyway instead of contributing to a system bent on genociding you and your people. You don't have to be a wageslave cuck to have children, traditionalism isn't about wageslavery.

That is why you marry virgins anyway… You cultist fuckers diddle out with college students, staceys and the worst possible trash you can find in big cities and then wonder why you're frustrated with all the shit people you meet…

Yeah protecting woman is surely "beta". It's not like they're part of your people and make up half of your ancestors…

Take your faggoty postmodernism back to huffpo and shove it

You white knights need to realize that winning them over with emotional arguments is going to do jack shit. Show them some benefit to the action and they will take it. It's called risk/reward, and all you are saying is to take the risk. You need more than just talking about white birthrates when they have trust issues the size of a jew's nose.

look around

men don't really care about their female ancestors, only the families they come from.

N I N E T Y T H R E E P O I N T F O U R P E R C E N T
statisticbrain.com/marriage-statistics/

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You could approach mgtow as a temporary action.

Most mgtow are only that way because it's the most effective means of removing women's unjustly obtained rights short of an armed uprising.

I think Holla Forums should advocate Mgtow on the premise of "go mgtow until shtf, then swoop in to scoop up the rewards and rebuild a fairer civilisation"

Speaking of which, Holla Forums should promote.

there are alot of people who deserve a fucking bullet in the head. That is obvious.

Like I said before, if you have had sex outside of marriage, you do not deserve a virgin wife… you deserve filth.

you tried, schlomo, but it's time to leave, MGTOWS objectively have literally no place here, they aren't welcome

this is cringey r9k tier shit

"divorce raped"

goos goyim, using the (((MGTOW))) lexicon

have you considered communism? you obviously don't belong here

every mgtow I've ever encountered is a weak, pitiful, pathetic, socially crippled beta male addicted to the digital jew

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this board isn't for you, may I suggest reddit

you aren't a foot soldier for shit, you're a basement dwelling shut in video game addict

Plebbitposting is the worst.

I think it's time you should take your medication for autism.

You can not reason with the unreasonable.

pic related

That's a perfect receipt for getting sent to prison for domestic abuse.

Also you don't get rid of cockroaches by out breeding them,you do it by killing them.

Maybe you should get out of your basement from time to time to see how women actually behave.>>10278525

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that's a funny way of saying that you're a simp

Protecting people that do not give a shit about you and who are willing to sell you out to the jew is indeed beta, or at the very least a sign of naivety.

Good luck fighting with the government faggot ,see where it get's you.

You are so tough behind the keyboard.How about you grow up and stop chest puffing like nigger you filthy cretin.

If every cuckold like you who pedestals women would drop dead in the next five seconds ,feminism would stop existing.

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MGTOW has no place in society. Sure, it may be a reactionary force to the extreme feminism that is pervasive throughout the West, but it ultimately comes off as "REEEEEEE"-ish. Should women be allowed to vote? Of course not. Are they easily influenced and manipulated by (((pop culture)))? Of course they are. However, one cannot place blame on the woman for acting like a woman would. This would be similar to being surprised when a nigger eventually chimps out. It is our duty, as men, to right the ship and women will naturally fall in line. If we blame white women, the kikes have won. Personally, I believe it is the mark of a faggot to blame women for certain issues within our society. During the height of Weimar Berlin, did Hitler blame the women?
FUCK NO HE BLAMED THE KIKES

You don't give a shit about men, so why should men give a shit about you? MGTOW's going to kick your retard Nazi asses.

MGTOW is feminism for men.
Makes absolutely no sense.
Who ever has fallen for it was retarded to begin with.

Oh boy, another divide and conquer thread created by a woman. It must be so terrifying knowing that your gender is becoming more and more irrelevant by the day.