time.com
Why arent you supporting your local pirate party Holla Forums?
Icelandic Pirate Party on their way to vctory
Benjamin Turner
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Mason Ortiz
Because parliamentary liberal politics in a capitalist society, especially those based on internet freedom (which isn't inherently a bad thing, but is low on a list of most peoples priorities, or it should be at least) will fundamentally change fuck all and leave the vast majority of people still barley clinging to life.
Asher Jackson
They also root for direct democracy and """"""""civil rights""""""""
Via direct democracy the people can change laws to make it harder for porky to exploit them
Jacob Parker
wew mate.
Jackson Thompson
that doesn't mean they're going to achieve it. You must understand what it means to be involved in parliamentary politics to begin with, it starts with slogans to gain political support form some base of the population, this does not mean that once a representative of the party is elected that they must follow that party line, since they are going to merely be a puppet for the people who actually own the country, and since this is a capitalist society that means capitalists and and bureaucrats and all manner of other nonsense. So why should i support a political party that spouts slogans that appeal to me when they have nothing to do with how those politicians may actually act once elected since in order to stay elected means to play into the political and economic process that is in no way aligned with my interests and the interests of the vast majority of people? Because they new copyright laws? Fuck copy right laws, im hungry, i want food. If you feel so strongly against laws, break them.
Christian James
this.
Representative democracy is inherently hierarchical. Direct democracy is more anarchist.
Jack Evans
Is the anarchist way to go mate.
Anarchism 101.
Julian Sanders
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Tyler Turner
APPLE JACK ON THE SHIT
How can any one take that man serious?
Bronies must hang.
Jaxson Kelly
delet???
Samuel Ward
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Gabriel Robinson
ye just got fucked.
Me saved it already mate.
Aiden Smith
You are being shortsighted tbh
While I agree about bourgy democracy, a direct democracy of some sort can make it easier for workers to develop their own worker-controlled industry and so on, as well as pushing gun rights, lax taxes for poor and middle classz and higher for the upper class, better education and less alienation and so on
A direct democracy wont eliminate the capitalist form of production overnight, but it will help create a base for it
Owen Diaz
I think the point they were trying to make is it would be difficult to implement direct democracy due to the bourgeoisie having their way with lobbying.
I have a counterargument to that though: baby steps. Reforms like the alternate vote, limited campaign funding, anti-lobying laws, etc will pave the road to direct democracy.
Nathan Price
Bookchinite activists pls go. No "ocracy" can be anarchist.
Carson Scott
how the hell do you expect to have society without organization? Are you a primitivist or somethign?
Oliver Butler
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Sebastian Roberts
if this happens I am moving to iceland
Gavin Johnson
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Camden King
How hard would it be to move to iceland and start a federation of co-ops like mondragon over there?
Charles Wood
le anti-downvote
Daniel Nelson
Can someone explain to me how direct democracy is hated here, but dictatorship of the proletariat is loved?
Sure, the rich get to vote in a direct democracy, but they represent only ~1-5% of the population, far from enough to actually matter.
Lincoln Torres
Autisticc MLs, aorthodox marxists and tankies
Michael King
The influence of the bourgeoisie is extraordinarily disproportionate. You can't guarantee that worker interests will always prevail in voting.
theguardian.com
Logan Perry
Sure, but why would any reasonable direct democracy not ban lobbying or other bourgeois meddling in politics?
Easton Parker
ITT: basement dwellers who demand a perfect society and shit on any attempts to work towards achieving one.
Hudson Clark
You can't ban lobbying, you can only drive it underground. By doing that even less information of who petitioned who will be available.