Class action lawsuit against Counter-Strike: Global Offensive developer Valve was filed Wednesday in Florida by a...

Lolberg, pls.

thelostparadise.com/globalopsgame/
We could have live in a world in which this took off instead of CS:GO.

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holy shit I actually have this in storage somewhere

it was aight.

Isnt it a T rated gameM

Some of the additional services on Steam (such as the Community Market or whatever "gambling" they're claiming) may require 18+

A judge may interpret it as gambling and require the damaged party to be 18+ regardless of what Valve's EULA says.

It will be … worth the wait

Did you miss the part that the sites can integrate your steam account and valve has done nothing to stop it despite being able to blacklist sites from accessing your details?

I for once welcome this shit because maybe it would lead to reduction in microtransactions or children in online games.

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Fakku has facebook integration yet you wouldn't see a parent sueing facebook because his kid fapped to some NTR doujin.
Facebook and valve are still shit but this is outright retarded, only person at fault are the parents for letting their kid play a 18+ game and the gambling site secondly.

That's because gamers still aren't taken seriously and are have among the worst consumer rights. It's still pretty a wild west, in terms of legal happenings

Fuck you, give those doujins back, they belonged to the public the moment they were posted online.

So its Valves fault some dumb kid spend all his money on a shady third party website? I'm sure whatever lawyer this mother gets is going to be as good as the team of lawyers the billion dollar company has.

The argument might be something like Valve didn't care about websites scamming retards since the gambling sites had the ability to sync your steam account and inventory to it.

QUIT TAKING DOWN ALL THE MEME50 DOUJINS

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

You'd have a point if gun manufacturers could actually do that.
Valve can very easily limit steam account access from certain sites.
In this case it would be more like a gun shop selling guns to a known notorious criminal.

There's a funny story with the Winchester home being haunted by "those" killed by their rifles.

Valve isn't responsible for whatever 3rd party sites do though.
Neither is Remington is responsible for whoever gets killed by their guns.

Whatever 3rd party fansite do or laws they fail to follow are entirely their own responsability, in this case valve neither makes a profit out of them nor endorses them.

The boxes and key bullshit is still bullshit but sueing valve for this betting sites crap is baseless and just outright jewish.

Anyone hoping that steam burns from this?

I kinda am.

Valve is responsible of which sites they give access to sync up with steam.
They have blacklisted scamming sites from doing this before.

Hell no, all of my vidya are stashed in gaben's drm vault

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Learn to pirate, faggot.

Use cracks from GameCopyWorld to play them without having to open steam, and to keep them just in case if steam actually does crash with no survivors.

I hope that bitch mother loses and has to pay a large lawyer fee. Valve and those two douchebags shouldn't be responsible for the actions of retarded kids, it should be the parents, who clearly aren't very fit for the job anyway.

I do 9sometimes), but the ones that I've liked I've bought. Which is a lot

A: ESRB ratings have no actual legal weight. It's all self-policing that retailers choose to follow because they're pussies.
B: From what I've heard, the gambling sites say that you only have to be 13+ to use them.

if you want to support the developer then buy it through the website.
if you want to legally own the game at the cheapest cost use G2a or wait for it on the humble bundle.
i only use steam for multiplayer
double post?

Once upon a time, Steam guaranteed that in the event the service ever ends, they'll release all of your games. I wonder if they'd actually stand by that nowadays, or if it's even possible with how deeply ingrained DRM shit is now.

I've bought at least 1/2 of my games off G2A, but that still goes through steam. I don't play any multiplayer games on steam really, I just like the ease of having all my games in one place that's easily accessible and logs my hours and shit

I remember that, but I don't think Valve does

This is something anyone who has ever bought a game on Steam should do. Fuck Valve, you payed just as much as someone who bought games on any other platform does, and you deserve to keep them even if you get suspended or if Valve ever goes down the drain.

Do it so you can rightfully play the games you payed for whenever you want to.

aren't all those crates really just gambling targeted at minors?

For the casual mobile shit it is, but you can find hundreds (if not thousands) of twitch/youtube channels of grown men doing CSGO skins shit

You can actually make an argument that the Valve's system is closest to gambling due to the ability to turn items into real money instead of just valve fun bux.

[citation needed]

Didn't Valve make Steam open so sites could use the info for stat tracking and shit like that? They just provided the info what people do with it is on them.

Nice info, thanks

Steam is going to take a hit. Less people will want to use the site due to shady services/shady practices.

Another issue is, would developers and big name publishers and companies might want to drop publishing deals from Steam, since they don't want to be associated with Valve? Depending on how much limelight the gambling issue becomes and if Valve is found guilty.

Let's see how big this is going to get…

Yes, site linking I believe.

This is like suing the government for someone underaged gambling at a casino because the government is creating the cash people are betting there.

Likely:
-Valve loses and pays damages, gambling sites become regulated and about 60-90% of gambling for CS:GO stops. Alternatively, 3rd party gambling/trading sites are shut down en masse, and CS:GO takes a huge hit due to losing its only means of profit for people who play to gain money.
-Valve wins and life goes on.

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No, because casinos and online casinos enforce the minimum age to gamble legally.

Those sites did none of the sort and used misleading videos on JewTube to entice kids to gamble.

And this is Valve's fault how? Or you also want to say that guns kill people and spoons made you fat?

It's entertainment designed to separate you from your money by offering you the chance to win big while stacking the odds titanically heavily against you regardless of whether you know it or not, a legal scam more or less

I don't think anybody would really miss gambling if it were to be heavily restricted or otherwise stamped down on more heavily than it already is

This. If I want to sell a product to children knowing that it's addictive and children get addicted then that's their problem.

They should still be suing them instead. Because this still smacks of suing the wrong person. You don't blame tobacco industry because a cigarette burned down a building, you blame the careless fuck who put that cigarette there.

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This is valves fault for ENABLING AND MAKING MONEY OFF OF UNDERAGE GAMBLING.

Gambling is not only degenerate, it encourages people to throw their lives away to people who are all too willing to take them.

Posted in the last thread.

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>tfw Steamfags will defend this

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angry burger detected

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Also posted in the last thread. Valve's drops and marketplace is exactly the same as freemium model mobile apps that prey on addiction.

twitter.com/Eight_Thoughts/status/751254077900615680

Don't see it

twitter.com/THEGAYKLINGON/status/751324137956802560

Wait, I don't get it.
Op says something about gambling and now youtube faggots are no longer partnered.
What?

learn to read. Those fags own and illegally promote the scam site

It's 2016, reading's for figs.

More likely:

That's assuming a judge doesn't throw it out on day one because if I remember correctly, the Steam terms of use mandate arbitration to resolve disputes specifically to avoid class-action lawsuits.

It's also a third party market.

There could be a market for McDonalds toys but I wouldn't hold them responsible for it.

you forgot something

If i could just walk in the steam store, buy a happy meal and just walk out, i could do what ever i want with it.

But not like mcdonalds is steam working! To buy a happy meal in this digital mcdonalds you have to make an account and everything is binded to this account. So you can't jsut walk out with your happy meal. The only way out is with valves account. And the only way to do things with your happy meal is with valves account.

…and?

What point are you trying to make? and how does said point relate to my point of it being a third party market.

only the account you made on steam settled what you can do and what not with your game, i know, DRM can be a bitch.

Steam didn't do anything to prevent users to log in with their steam account ona gambling sites that is now sued. If this never came out it just had continued.

It's a third party market.

You do realise what that means right? It's not steams market.

Valve keeps being sued these days.

Except Valve gets a cut of the resale.

No of course not because I doubt that valve can be held liable for bad parenting.

And that's where you mcdonalds analogy falls apart.

Well I already bought the rights to go there and have fun. The 'meals' are an addition to the game they introduced at a later date to make more money.

Yes but it's not something you have to buy.

Man you're the one who brought up this stupid analogy. I was just putting it on the same terms as CS:GO and Valve.

My analogy worked, you changed it.

a 3rd party market that only works with a steam account

Your analogy worked because you left out important details. Like Valve taking a share of the resale of shit you already gambled on from them. It's pretty much how I would run a 'legitimate' crime organization.

This is relevant why?

That is still irrelevant to the point that it's not gambling.

This is like arguing with a Jew.
It's a slot machine with a freemium system backing it up. It uses the same tactics as gambling to get people addicted, with the same flashing colours/sounds, the same jackpot payout and the same exchanging real money for 'chips', or in this case, keys.

anybody who defends this bullsht gambling is a fucking jew who is shilling for Valve and they need to kill themselves.
Gas yourself and you family you fucking kikes

Valve anus lickers, pls go away.

But you can play games without connecting to steam, you functional retard. Offline mode.

I'd rather be a jew than a soc justice faggot

Gambling laws refer strictly to the direct transfer of money. With keys and crates, you are guaranteed a win.

No such thing.
Keep trying.

Again, and I had this exact conversation yesterday with other anons talking about the Yakuza using the same tactic with pachinko machines…
If you put a dollar into a slot machine and it always pays out a quarter, it's still gambling. You're just gambling at a cheaper rate.

So every item in a crate is worth more than the price of the key?

It was me you were talking to. I looked into panchiko machines yesterday and I would say that they are gambling, the same way as a slot machine. My understanding of the prize system was wrong before.

No. But that doesn't mean it's any less of a win.

Gambling targeted at kids is the most degenerate thing the "gaming" world has ever engaged in.
Fuck these jews hope they go bankrupt over this.

I hope Valve goes bankrupt so gog can become the only digital distributor around.

What are you talking about, steam has an offline mode
kill yoursef

Ever shut down and reopened your machine disconnected from the internet then tried to play half your steam games?
It won't let you access them without logging on and it doesn't give you an offline mode option since it doesn't remember who you are.

Valve shills getting
BLOWN
THE
FUCK
OUT

Worth mentioning, some games still work offline regardless. I think Civ's 5 is one of them? Most Valve games I think also do. But shit like Dawn of War and X-Com don't.

VALVE IS FUCKING GAY, ANYBODY WHO HAS STEAM IS A KIKE, SHOULD BE BANNGED FROM Holla Forums
Fuck off you gay ass shits, Steam is okay but defending this means you like dick up the ass you fucking cucks

yes
no

If these lawsuits go through, this might be the end of Valve's fucking horrible crate system.
I mean, they'll still be afloat because of Steam, but it would be nice to see these Jews get fucked over for once.

TBH i actually wish more companies would do what Hatred devs did and make their own "store" on their own website, that way i can give 100% of my 15$ to the people that actually matter and not some fat bastards getting little kids into the hell of gambling.

Unless the game is using 3rd party DRM its literally not "ingrained" at all. The normal steam copy protection consists of a single dll that has been cracked to death.
Why are underage faggots like you allowed to post here

AGREED
Vlave is okay becuase of steam but he crate jew system neds TO BE DETROYED because of the fucking gambling jew shit, what a load of crock

Its not a lesser victory because it isn't a victory at all you fucking kike.

That, and making phisical editions. Man, fuck digital only. Do you guys know the hustle that was downloading the 22 GB of Yakuza 5 with a 140kb/s rural european internet connection?

Stop changing the words faggot.

Win in this context is not the same as victory.

How is it a win when you actually lost value?
Changing the terms means nothing in this context.

Change win to prize and you'll understand.

Come on now. Steam is just shitty DRM, it's good enough to not be a nuisance, but it isn't a positive

So slot machines aren't gambling if they give a coupon that says "You tried" by your retarded logic?

You do realise that even if you manage to win this little argument and prove it's not gambling it's pointless since it's still taking advantage of people with gambling addictions even if it isn't in itself gambling. Which is going to inevitably lead to some laws being passed to try and regulate it.

You're arguing semantics, I mean the fuck sake you're now trying to distinguish between terms that mean the exact same thing.

Stop sucking Valve's cock.

Just fuck off already, you've already displayed a complete lack of critical thinking skills.

hmmm

When did 8ch become soc justice central?

Pachinko is classified as gambling. Its just that Gambling for cash is illegal in Japan so Pachinko is used to circumvent that.

You don't even know what gambling is you mong, what makes you think you know anything else?

Feel free to read my first post faggot.

Someone tell me what's so appealing about skins to the point that people spend hundreds of dollars just to get some shitty ass knife skin and act like retards about it.
Sure some of these skins can be sold on the market for a lot but I'd assume with how the chances are you'd be spending more in keys than what you make back with a rare skin.

I just don't get it, what's so appealing about some skin you get to see for a little bit? It's not like you're staring at the weapon for the entirety of the game, you just buy it, go "oh that looks nice" and then focus on the game itself and after a while you even forgot you have a skin.

This, if these people don't have self control they'll have to learn a lesson. This kind of thing is true in every kind of hobby, control yourself. People always try and indemnify the addict while condemning the medium for being addictive when it should be the other way around.
This shit is so dumb, especially considering all the restrictions Valve already has in place in regards to trading items.

Why can't people ever take responsibility for their actions, maybe the mother should have been more involved in her sons hobbies and warned him of the consequences, but no this is Valves fault. No fun allowed, we need to regulate and lock this stuff down even more just because some parents don't watch their kids.

dictionary.com/browse/gambling
Read up you kike
Your world dilution and obfuscation may work on reddit but downvotes won't save you here

When has social justice ever given a shit about people with gambling addiction? Why the hell are you openly defending jewery?

Your first post was arguing hollow semantics, I already pointed this out and you haven't tried to dispute it.

Other people have them and you don't.

Fuck off kike.

Either you don't read or you can't fully comprehend English.

Fuck off kike

Soc justice isn't something that spawned 3 years ago.
How the fucking times have changed.

It is a gamble, not gambling.

Holy semantics batman
Fuck off kike

No, it's called fucking English, which you've displayed a lack of mastery over.

You have literally no argument you fucking kike. The only thing you have are your shekels and your big nose.

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And taking a gamble is to engage in gambling.

Argument over. You've just admitting you're wrong.

Don't you have some foreskins so suckle on?

Holocaust didn't happen.

Well you are illiterate. That's not an insult.

oh vey

The only poeple who are against gambling are brain dead idiots who have no self control then whine and go full dindu nuffin when the consequences of their own actions hit them in the ass.

Don't like gambling here's a tip, don't do it.

Kike please. The only language you have any grasp of is hebrew. If you knew an inkling of English you wouldn't be arguing semantics like a chink executing a business deal.

Keep calling it semantics beacuse you didn't understand the context.

Or people who want to see vidya developers make money by developing quality vidya instead of employing casino tactics.

Are you pretending that you can't turn items into real money? The legal gray area here is that you don't do this with Valve's help. You do it elsewhere, organized by other people. Personally, I believe Valve are Jewish enough to be prepared for all this way ahead of time and they've set up a good legal defense as soon as they started taking advantage of kids gambling ON OTHER PEOPLE'S WEBSITES. They will come out unscathed, but some of the gambling sites will go down.

Yes actually. I happen to not have internet access over the week, but steam games installed on my laptop.
There's only one I can't play.

I am not against gambling on its own but I sure as hell don't want to see it in video games with real money.

But microtransaction bullshit has been implementing itself into every aspect of the industry with no sign of stopping and this is another worse precedent. I understand responsibility and am worried about the rammifications of this but If anything this case is just blatant shilling for psuedo pachinko gambling and needs to be stopped.

t. all companies producing sweet foods

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Might as well cancel all state mandated age restrictions and blame parents for everything then.

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How are loot crates gambling?

it's almost too easy to turn the received items into real money

That's gambling if we're being honest, but the law is not and pretends that you have to have a chance to win REAL MONEY back out of the system. Well, you can, you just need to take your immaterial not-money winnings to some place else where you convert them back into real money. That place else is not being run by Valve so Valve won't have to pay shit. But really, they are in fact profitting from enticing kids to gamble. Just not according to the existing legal definitions.

so it's pretty much like pachinko in japan

archive.is/8U82s

Yes.

That's not what gambling entails
In reality most of you are christfags who believe that any money put at risk for a reward is gambling, so are fucking toy/gumball vending machines. And snack vending machines in general. You trust those pieces of shit yo work every time? I dont.
Your definitions of gambling could easily apply to banking and insurance too.

Also it should be noted that valves loot crates could even be said to be better than those toy vending machines because you're guaranteed a reward every time iirc.
Either way, all this drama is stupid. Valve should revoke api access from the actual gambling sites, buy loot crafts themselves are not gambling, no matter how badly Christ/moralfags want it to be, for moral superiority reasons or our of guilt of someone having destroyed their lives with an addiction to something that was actually gambling.

2016 is shaping up to be the year it all HAPPENED

I don't know what "most of us" are - I doubt it's firm Christian believers - but I can tell you that personally I am a fedora tipper of the highest order. When you put money in a vending machine you should get whatever is triggered by the button you pressed. If there is BY DESIGN a risk of not getting the desired item then yes, that's gambling and shouldn't be accessible to children. By design, that's the important part. Of course every machine has a margin of error. The other week I had a case of beer and one of the bottles turned out not to be properly closed. If you're stingy or just OCD you can always get a refund. You could call the company that runs the vending machine as well. The tiny margin of error does not equate to the "the house always wins" odds in gambling.

Another example for why "real money back" shouldn't be part of the definition of gambling: Pokemon card packs are gambling and when I was in elementary school all my peers sunk money into that. I spent about 30 D-Mark, others hundreds. Children are idiots and have to be protected from themselves.

There is plenty of gambling in banking and insurance as well, and I don't think it's a controversial statement to say that large portions of those markets SHOULD be illegal. You don't have to be religious to think so.

Loot crates aren't gambling in any state that isn't a backwater chtistfag state like Utah. Actually I think there's less risk with lootcrates than with actual vending machines, because with loot crates you're guaranteed rewards every time and with vending machines there's the risk of malfunction.

It's mostly 10 year-olds who don't know any better using their parents' money.

You don't know about toy capsule vending machines? How about gumball machines?
Certainly with some of these toy vending machines and what they dispense there are actually rare toys with value that fat exceed to investment of 25 cents.
How about the fact that you're not guaranteed a reward, in practical terms, every time you use a snack vending machine?
Wow, some bimbo gave her child access to her credit card. Sounds like its her problem of not supervising her child and not valves problem. The gambling angle is a cute way to get coverage, but the fact is it isn't gambling anymore than toy capsule dispensers.

2016 has been a pretty damn interesting year so far.

Best Case: Loot crate keys have to be classified as gambling, meaning the easy-underage-money is harder to get, cutting out a chunk of jewy devs income.

Worst Case: This shit gets protected under some clause, and while the youtubers will be punished, the companies running and encouraging the shilling get off scott free.

Either way, shilling is going to go underground and be sneakier.

The best case is that valve restricts api access to gambling sites. Loot crates themselves aren't gambling. As much as I hate f2p shit valve certainly isn't targeting specific whales.

I do. It depends on what you can get out of them. Is there a toy in every capsule? Not necessarily gambling. Is there a piece of shit that noone wants in most capsules and everyone buys in the hope of getting a rare good toy? Gambling.

If people are paying to get something but are unlikely to get it, if most people "lose", that's gambling in my view.

I already adressed that in my first post, wtf.

Agreed. She shouldn't get shit. And yet the case shows once more that gambling laws are fucked when what Valve is doing is legal. Valve ARE exploiting children, and so are gumball machines and toy capsules (Kinder Surprise) if they are designed to not give you the thing you want.

Yup, very accurate.

How is it not specifically targetting whales with a tendency towards gambling-addition?

Loot crates by definition are gambling.
Why the fuck do you think I argued with that kike for so long in this thread?

Because you can't fucking understand the subtly of English.

Meanwhile on Holla Forums…

Gumball and toy capsule machines aren't considered gambling because you have a guaranteed payout and any worth is determined by a secondary market. I'd argue that crates work the same way. However, the fact Valve run both the crate system and a means of selling the rewards for actual money could make it trickier.

After reading up on it it seems like most regions have pretty shitty gambling laws full of exceptions. Like pachinko machines being legal because you trade your winnings in at a different establishment.

it's called drugs and yes they're usually moreso illegal than alcohol

You better make trading card booster packs unable to be sold to chilluns too, you god damn retard.

also let's not forget about the steam market being directly tied to the store, where you can acquire videogames and hardware like steam gamepad which arguably have real money value

Only a faggot wouldn't.

Nice freudian slip.

This is why analogies are bad, we're not talking about alcohol we're talking about self control. There's no reason to fault the producer just because people don't have self control. The whole "even to kids" bullshit is still not their fault either as the children should be kept under control or taught better by the parents. How do people ever blame anyone besides the individuals effected? If you choose to gamble that's your fault, if you let your kid gamble that's your fault.

Better to teach these people a lesson or how to deal with their addictive personality than try and protect them from every little thing.

I literally don't give a fuck about the whole gambling thing I only enjoy seeing this shitty industry burn.

Wait, really? Holy shit, in this case Valve might actually have to pay up!

That assumes people here are okay with Lootshit in their games as a principle which is completely false.
No game with a price tag should come with microtransactions.

Just because you hate f2pshit doesn't mean its okay to claim loot crates are gambling or ride in on a moral high horse whining about "muh gambling muh chilluns." I hate f2pshit but I don't think it should be illegal.

That's not how it works. Even if people sell the games/hardware that's a third party market.

How are loot crates not gambling?

As someone already pointed out
1) humans in an aftermarket determine their value. Everything could sell for 2.75 or 2.50 and add whatever value nullifies valves percentages versus what you paid for the key if humans were perfectly logical, but theyre not.
2) you are guaranteed a reward every time.

Its more akin to a TCG booster pack or capsule toy from a vending machine.

How does it assume that? I'm speaking generally about addiction and responsibility, the onus is on the individual to resist not the producer to stop.

Sure, I agree with that but it's not what I'm talking about.

That isn't the case because of how the system works. You have to be delusional to think that valve has no control over the market and that they do not control the odds of the items get released. Every item does not have the same chance of dropping from a crate.

No you aren't. You aren't guaranteed an item whose value is above the value of the key.

The difference here is I've yet to see a vending machine with a man standing right next to it saying he'll let you sell whatever drops out if you give him a cut of the profits.

The important thing people need to consider though, is that even if this is classified as gambling it doesn't really mean much.

No one calling for an outright ban, just for regulation that'd bring it in line with other forms of online gambling - literally the only people who should be worried are children who cream themselves over the thought of paying $2.50 for a 2mb knife texture.

this is why it was inevitable for the government to step up, the whole crate business is gigantic grey area clusterfuck and valve was playing with a fire

Also about this point. Both TCG and Capsule toys do not have their own market of goods. They may control the supply but they do not sell the toys or get a cut from third party sales.
Valve has a direct incentive of controlling the market as they get profit from third party sales.

Honestly, I think Valve's biggest fuck up was being so lenient with third party sites.

Crates are one thing, but letting random schmucks use your API to run actual gambling sites seems really dumb, it's like letting someone operate a betting ring out of your own garage then acting surprised when the cops come knocking.

If nothing else, I hope these lawsuits knock Valve down a peg or two and remind them that they're not as invincible as they think they are.

Don't humans' irrational spending habits also determine the value of all currency?

Depends. If you already have a skin and it's NOT valuable for resale, and you "win" it a second time, can it really be said that you received anything? And if the odds are set up in such a way that most "crates" only contain garbage noone wants, can you really think of this system as a system where "everyone gets something"? Looks like, really, almost everyone gets fucking nothing.

Doesn't Valve deal with the IRS in relation to these trades and fees? If that's the case shouldn't this have already been vetted by at least the US government?

Doesn't this give Valve impunity? They're not the ones running gambling operations, other people are, I'm curious what the Valve api legal documentation looks like but I doubt they'd be stupid enough to not put responsibility onto the third party using the service.

There you go changing words and sentences again, giving off an entirely different meaning.

Quit being a retard.

And so what? Valve isn't setting the value. The market is setting the value.
Let's take the tcg booster pack. Distributor stores sell you the booster pack, and right at the counter you just bought your booster pack you can sell ultra rares to them, of course keeping in mind that you'll get less because they need to make a profit. So, you just blew your own argument by overlooking this.
Just because some faggot like you isn't worried about the consequences, even to things that I personally do not like, and calling for more regulations because muh chilluns, doesn't mean anything. Go fuck yourself with a rake please, and keep pretending that you are on some sort of moral high ground because every unwise use of money is gambling by your definition, and people must be protected from their illogical human behaviors by duh gubmint.

I thought so but see

If you can turn loot items back into STEAM currency and then use STEAM currency to buy REAL products then Valve themselves are offering a way to get real money out of loot crates.

You ever been to game shops/tcg distributors? Some of these chains have exclusive rights to redistribute in the US and allow you to sell individual cards.
You're a christ/moralfag who want to protect humans from their illogical behaviors. Never mind the fact that this little shit probably didn't have a job and mommy gave him her credit card without supervision.

You're missing a step. How does real products turn into real money?

Isn't it already gambling if I can win real products? Wasn't the first line of defense "these are just virtual items with no real merit"? If I can exchange them for real products that reasoning goes out of the window. But you're right, Valve won't give me real money.

I just want to see microtransactions die

Only reason I see this as a potential good thing. More problems with microtransactions, the better. Ideally developers would just voluntarily drop that garbage like crates and separately sold content entirely without more legal restrictions on games, but when you can't do something that needs doing the right way, sometimes the wrong way will have to do. As long as the wrong way isn't so wrong it does more harm than the goal does good.

I couldn't care less about the gambling aspect in and of itself, though, to be clear. I just prefer the old system where you bought a game and had all the content, the end.

I've had this happen before, it sucked. But at least in my experience, it seems offline finally has finally started actually working. I've started my computer, found the connection was down, (I have unreliable rural internet, it goes down a lot,) and played my Steam games no problem. Been that way for at least a year now.

With that said though, the matter of Valve being able to take your games away is indeed garbage, I'm not saying Steam is perfect at all. But offline mode does work now, at least.

Just tell me how you can exchange them for real money.

No, its not.

Except in both of these examples it's a third party purchasing the items.

In this case valve is the producer, distributor and reseller, which introduces a huge conflict of interests - as it stands, there is nothing to prevent Valve from purposefully manipulating drop rates, without informing others, to stimulate the market.

Though it is illegal to falsely advertise a product in this way, there's currently no third party involved to ensure that Valve isn't manipulating their ratios. Requiring Valve to conform to the same legal standards as the rest of the gambling industry would help deal with this issue.

Labeling crates as gambling would force Valve, and many other companies, to be a lot more transparent about their drop rates. It would help limit the risk of a crate offering one drop ratio, while secretly using another.

I understand you're very invested in this argument, but there's really no need to be so angry - unless you're a child, it's highly unlikely you'll be impacted by this even if it does go through, in fact, you'll likely benefit from a more transparent, fair system.

Its a third party purchasing your shit on the Steam market too, you retarded piece of shit.
Actually, selling cards at the counter is worse because they pay upfront yet give you less because they're absorbing the risk and all that. I would say that its easier to consider tcg gambling than what valve is doing.
Versus exclusive right to redistribute/partnerships and in these chains you can sell your ultra rates at the counter?

I just want an admission from all the moralfags in the thread that this is the way they also feel about tcg. I want them to admit that they want age restriction on tcg, the nanny state fucks.

This is what you get with secularism.

>mfw gambling box opening of any kind is stopped until further notice

Well, it should be.

How businesses are even able to operate in the state of Utah is anyone's guess, pretty much every investment/business model is gambling on part of a proprietor by that definition.

what will twitch whores do now?

Implying that MS won't be the one to become the only digital distributor around.

silly you, women don't need to do anything, they can always marry, and have couple of kids

I'm assuming he meant Steam the distribution system rather than Steam the DRM.

So how do you make steam money with crates?
Do you open them and sell the skins every time?
So you have to pay at least one key?

I wouldn't get my hopes up. I've seen videos of people unboxing TERRARIA crates.

These things are not alike at all. Of course the greentext you posted can't be the definition of gambling as that is too vague. But don't pretend you can't see how Valve's loot crate system is obviously gambling in every real sense, except legally it isn't because they are outsourcing the "real money exchange" part to other companies so Valve can't be held accountable for that. It's like those streaming sites being totally legal because someone else hosts the movie. Yeah, you're not breaking the law in its literal definition but you're very obviously doing something the law was INTENDED to prevent.

You buy keys, open crates hoping for an expensive skin, sell the skin in the marketplace if you want funbux or trade the skin to someone for equivalent in keys and then you sell those keys to another online reseller for real money.

disgust

It's not that hard to draw a legal distinction regarding business activities where the possibility of loss is included by intentional design.

I mean, would you say that all accidental deaths are suicide? That putting a gun to your head and pulling the trigger is the same thing as driving a car knowing you might get into an accident? I doubt it. We all recognize the difference between a thing happening by accident and a thing happening by intention. In gambling, loss is part of the intention.

LPing is fucking cancer, but a strawman webcomic is still a strawman webcomic all the same.

Again, that's the Utah definition of gambling. I understand the difference between both, its just the fact that everything is risk/reward. Banking and insurance, stocking items in a store, and more.
The fact is that valves f2pshit is no different than tcg. I still havent seen any of the moralfags start railing against tcg arguing that da gubmint should restrict it to 18 or older because we need to protect muh chilluns from themselves, along with all of the other regulations that apply to gambling, in effect putting a bunch of game stores out of business or hitting them pretty hard.
Be careful what you wish for/meme into existence, just because you don't particularly like an instance of something like this.

Try not to treat every image as if it's meant to be used as some kind of argument. Pic related should show why you're wrong and I'm right.

Here I am trying to scrape to together money to buy a new GPU. Every little bit just to scrouge up 300-400 dollars, and its been frustrating.

And these putrid cunts sit there and gets thousands of dollars from lonely beta orbiters.

Am I mad ? Mad does not begin to describe the levels of anger I am experiencing right now it goes beyond words the level of hate I am feeling right now. Every bone in my body is hot with anger, I feel as though I may melt.

Please post a fucking trigger warning next time.

Are you trying to imply that the image here isn't an argument?

I never said every image was an argument, but the one you posted absolutely is one.

But wait the one who is right is the one drawn in a silly manner.
what does this mean?

It's just a comic, I posted it and I'm not using it to drive any kind of point? What's the problem and furthermore what's the argument?

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never said anything about you pushing a point, he only criticized the image itself.

it was always like that
its just we see it more nowadays thanks to internet

I don't understand this at all, the image was made around the time Nintendo was doing that thing with YouTube videos, it's just for comedy, to make light of the situation, not to drive any kind of point or argument.

If I'm not making any argument and the image is not making any argument what's the problem? Is it because I posted a comic outside of a LOL thread that it's expected to be taken seriously? I'm confused.

no words to describe the despair and disgust this makes me feel

I also saved this

fucking news sites

What amazes me is how there are millions of free skins for other games but suddenly when other people see what skin you have it becomes a multi million dollar skinner box.

You guys are really underestimating the fuckery going on here. The core question of this case is 'do digital goods have value'? The instant it's decided that they do, the entire modern gaming industry falls apart.

If a digital good has value, then every single MMO become illegal overnight. All facebook and mobile games. All online games of any type with any form of long term progression, all illegal, because they are creating and destroying things with real 'value'.

The industry would literally collapse in on itself overnight and lawyers and judges are to fucking stupid to realize that so they may very well set that precedent in this case.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Can you imagine the shit that's going to go down if they decided digital goods have value? Seriously, think about it for a bit. This shit could get crazy.

This makes my dick ROCK HARD.
A precedent here might be extremely harmful to CCGs as well, which I really want to see. Here's hoping.

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hey all you faggots defending valve

it's a problem because CSGO gambling isn't currently considered actual gambling under law, which means it bypasses the typical age restriction associated with gambling. the reason it isn't considered is because valve claims that skins aren't money, even though they can be sold for money on the steam community market. oh, and valve also applies their own tax on those skins. so they generate the skins in their game, then get money from people selling them to each other. it's like printing money.

only a jew defends that shit. go teach kids to be "responsible" somewhere else.

But Valve doesn't actually run any of the gambling 3rd party sites.
RNG roulette boxes are still shit but Valve doesn't own any of the third party sites, nor any of the paypal cash out ones either, in fact they strongly advice you against using them.

Judge will probably tell valve to blow it out their ass.

Any prosecutor will have a field day because the service "all age" and the service "+18" are a literal click away in the same interface, no matter how fine the prints of the EULA are, that's fucking thin ice.

We all knew that was coming when valve started printing money with their auction house.

Don't worry though I'm sure they've locked funds to cover the record fine they will be getting (it's called a risk assessment) out of the BILLIONS they made from the marketplace.

That wasn't anons point at all, dumbass

I'm torn but it will be entertaining either way.

But CSGO gambling is actually run by 3rd party sites.
Crateshit is still cancer but the real issue with gambling has been the entire youtubefag sites non-disclosing the fact they owned the casinos they were advertising kids to use.

I dunno, I think it's funnier to see cancerous YouTubers lying about their mission to scam kids.

Are you one of those facebook users who thinks that anything that tastes remotely good must not be addictive?

I don't think websites are responsible that far under the law for kids lying about their age online, it's not like they are the NSA to be able to invade your webcam and check.

and those sites wouldn't be able to offer kids gambling services if valve hadn't created the whole damn corrupt market.

What does stopping a kids casino scam have to do with the idea that copying is not theft?

What do you have to worry about if this YouTuber scam gets shut down and an age restriction is placed? Are you underage?

That's like blaming drug traffic or Las Vegas on the government though.
Valve isn't the one running the casinos.
Faggots paying $$$ on skins or horse armor is outright bullshit, but let's not pretend Valve is the one actually running the gambling joints here.

Sugar is addictive, that's not a controversial statement. I don't use facebook.

There is a reason we can shit on certain companies here but not others.

It has potential to be addictive. Just "addictive" makes it sound like tobacco or heroin.

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I think you missed the point

what I'm saying is that what valve is doing is more corrupt than the gambling sites. they've created an entire market that they own, and all of the product sold in that market cost them nothing to make cause it's digital.

it would be like the government making the drugs and having other people sell the drugs. but it's not the government's fault that people are buying the drugs, is it?

An age gate won't prevent kids from participating in this, I still think it's a better idea to treat the root cause not the medium. The only way to stop people from over participating is to teach them self control, trying to put walls between them isn't going to do anything but slow them down, not solve it.

Spoiler warning: The lawsuit won't do shit to Valve as they don't facilitate the "cashing out" of skins. This is more of a raffle then it is gambling on their end.

Those YouTube fags owning the betting site will get btfo by the FTC however. But these lawsuits are retarded.

Are you talking about the marketplace or everything with skins in general?

Skins = drug is a bit of an issue here.
It seems like you're implying that the issue at hand here is that there are skins, and to me it is the gambling.

Korea uses social security numbers to make accounts to everything, that's how they can tell who you are online, the fact people have been increasing facebook and real phone numbers as IDs online means we're heading that way.
People wanting to check if you are over 18+ with age restrictions would just push it there faster, that's a huge issue for anonymity advocates like everyone on this fucking site.

This lawsuit is the parent and lawyer saying:

It's just one of those 'fat guy slipped on a banana going to a McDs, better sue McDs' american sue your way to get rich quick mentality.

the gambling is an issue yes, but I just want to remind people that steam marketplace itself (particularly CSGO and TF2 shit) is equally if not more retarded

Valve charges like 5% last time I checked and the fact the marketplace is retarded has more to do with the community being retarded than Valve itself.
The marketplace just follows the rules of the open market, is pretty much a microcosm of our own economic system.
People could be selling their ($20) avg. price skins for $0.5 and after enough time that would be their own value.

Personally I'm glad I was able to just cash out the worthless hats to be able to buy games without spending a single cent there, most games with micro-transactions don't give you that option and once you have bought your Annie skin you can wave your money goodbye for good.

The marketplace at least allowed you a chance to get some of the value of whatever shitty skin you never gave a fuck about back on worthless vidya. It certainly seemed to me as the fairest model out there. Valve is still jewish as fuck for trying to sell mods though but I don't think they are to blame for people paying $200 for knife skins or kids gambling.

Tobacco and heroin also have the potential to be addictive. Semantics.

That one does work offline

You know honestly I'm conflicted on this kind of thing, I think people are entitled to anonymity and privacy but at the same time I really wish we had some way to restrict certain places on the internet to certain age ranges. The current situation seems bad and the solutions seem bad as well just in different ways, I don't have a better solution though.

I always default to better education and better parenting, if we had that I feel like we wouldn't have kids being shitheads and ruining everything to begin with. It can't be helped though.

Valve's going to get fucked. All sorts of games before you were born or paying attention had to pull these kinds of gambling elements, second life was forced to ban gambling for their game currency due to the IRS.

It's probably too big to kill.

It will be worth the weight.

that shit has crates?

Yes, but they're not the "buy an item with real-life money" type of crates.
terraria.gamepedia.com/Crates

YOU
FUCK YOU
I didn't know if you'd have the audacity of showing your face again, but I'm not shocked that you did.
I tried this on two games last time you tried to pull this shit. I fell for your shit meme and it didn't fucking work in the slightest. I even shut Steam down before launching each game, and sure enough, Steam had to launch, log in, and come all the way up before the game launched.
Fellate a gun you fucking faggot.

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This is more like someone putting a slot machine in the play area in Mc Donalds.

Steam Smart Emu also works nicely

Paul come on I just got done dealing with you

I called this day and every valvedrone laughed at me, looks like you kids should have read up on law :^)
I hope the fat kike dies without a penny

Nigger valve can revoke steam account access from certain sites. They have done so before in case of scam sites. In order for the gambling sites to exist, they need access to your steam account.

But I looked up in google and valve had already flagged all gambling sites at 6 months ago according to leddit.
I recall valve openly advising you against using this sort of sites even if they didn't outright ban them unless they openly stole your items or something.