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>washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2016/10/21/its-official-venezuela-is-a-dictatorship/?utm_term=.3f25fdf8ed34

Apparently a ruling party trying to use ambiguity in different interpretations of a constitutional clause = dictatorship.

Fucking end me, fam.

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I just don't understand what the article even says that justifies it being published in a major news outlet other than as click bait.

There's no ambiguity in the constitution, they're just wiping their asses with it and doing whatever the fuck they want. People just took it when they delayed the governor and mayor elections, but now they care because they delayed the recall referendum for false bullshit.

So when are they going to start calling Bush and Obama dictators?

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They delayed the second step of the recall referendum indefinitely (read: it will never happen) because of "fraud", even though the National Electoral Council already verified all fingerprints as an additional step after the signature collection, so any "fraud" would have no way to affect the


It is a dictatorship when you violate the constitution to avoid elections.

Today's national assembly session:

reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-idUSKCN12N0PY

They're probably more informed about venezuelan politics and what has been going on before this than you.

I hate how Maduro uses strong arm tactics to avoid being ousted from power, but how is avoiding a recall referendum using the power your party has an indication of an existing "dictatorship."

It's certainly un-democratic, but the opposition seems to cry "muh dictatorship" to avoid having to talk about how they've been cynically exploiting the economic crisis to get their people in office. Every time Venezuela has had an election since Chavez has come to power the opposition drum up false charges of vote rigging etc.

Yeah, I can't see how regularly violating the constitution and using the supreme court and national electoral council that you own to delay elections so you can't lose power would make anyone think that this country is a dictatorship.

source: your ass

My position on Venezuela isn't that I like Maduro, just that I dislike the opposition more.

As if the opposition in Venezuela wouldn't strongarm the fuck out of the country if they had control of the judiciary.

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I think it's notable that the opposition cry about democracy even though they've worked for years trying to undermine the legitimacy of every Venezuelan election (despite thorough international monitoring)

It's also notable that the opposition would also be autocratic. There's a material difference between autocratic left policy and autocratic right in an oil rich country.

and your point is?

I'm not going to defend Venezuela's government as some beacon of socialism (because it isn't) but I just get majorly TRIGGERED by rich, often US born, Venezuelans portraying the opposition as some kind of saint that will liberate the country from a modern Joseph Stalin.

Actions like delaying a recall referendum are worrying because you want a ruling party to be able to peacefully cede power, but to say "literal dictatorship, full 1984" is just dishonest as fuck given the realities in Venezuela.

But then again I guess I do hate Maduro and the policy of capitulation to Capitalists with the several exchange rates.

Does anybody have an alternative view on Venezuela? Does the Opposition have redeeming qualities?

I'm genuinely curious

state "socialism" fails once again

The opposition willingly and purposedly failed all the prerequisites needed to conduct the recall, in order to create a conflict of power and honestly a show to their supporters.

What's their endgame? seize power through force because they know that if the referendum takes place next year according to our constitution, Maduro leaves office but the vicepresident takes control until the end of term in 2019. All this because the appropiate time to ask for a recall was exceeded, by them on purpose, developing in this situation.

The opposition has no redeeming qualities. They literaly do what the US tell them to do. There's a high chance that the "new" law projects the've been passing in the National Assembly are being redacted and consulted with US government officials and capitalists aid.

Venezuela was and is just completely fucked. Chavez was worse than a despot: he was a genuine imbecile trying to be one.

There were loads of names from people long dead attached to the recall petition. (Makes me wonder if Maduro's side was involved in that: 1. Create fake signatures for the recall. 2. "Find" the fake signatures. 3. Bingo! Recall doesn't happen.)


You can put that sarcasm aside, there is nothing hypothetical about the opposition being thugs. They had a brief coup in 2002 that didn't last three days and in that short time span they already managed to shut down some media outlets and torture journalists. There is no moderate opposition movement that distances itself from these guys.


My view is that people in Venezuela are stupid. Here's my program: Stop even trying to peg the exchange rate and let it float. Land value tax. Create a sortition-based chamber that every proposal for constitutional changes must go through. (The sortition-based chamber also reviews all politicians mid-term and decides on whether to do a recall, instead of that collecting-a-billion-signatures shit.) Enact approval voting for single-seat elections. Legalize weed and warez.

Nope.

See: caracaschronicles.com/2016/08/15/how-to-disappear-10000/ (article written by the same guy that wrote the one linked by the OP)

Also, there was an additional verification step later on where people verified their fingerprints, so why would those dead people matter at all when they didn't affect anything?

This, this so much this.

Venezuela was never supposed to be socialist, and she never will be.

We're dealing with very hypocritical people.

just think, you say that other people could do worse, but when was the last time that "other people" had power? i bet that some people posting here were born after chávez was elected.

She?

Countries are referred to as "she" in English.

Wow, you sexists need to be castrated.

We were extremely better during Chavez in office, everything went to shit after he died, the oligarchy went full throttle with the economic warfare and black market exchange of dollars and corrupt officials inside the government, practically jumped the fence thinking "well the revolution's over, better take whatever i can to ensure my well being overseas, or try to consolidate my position as a bourgeois.

Everything went to shit when Chávez's health was getting worse and Maduro took power, actually.

Maduro is a God.
venezuela's downturn was due to oil prices and Chavez failing to secure food independence for the country.

Both right, except Maduro being a God, although i have to give it to him, he has done things, Chávez wouldn't have dare to do when he was in power, for example, the OLP's basically raid against criminals everyonce in a while.

Anyway, i'm from Venezuela, ask me anything if you want.

I dunno. Lately respectable outlets have been pretty much making shit up about foreign countries who are on the Bad Guy List.

Pretty much the impression I've been getting from overseas. The western press wants to use Maduro to discredit Chavez (and by proxy leftism in general) but he had real achievements which raised the standard of living for the working class dramatically, and most of the problems happened after his death.

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Do you like Canserbero?

The PSUV sucks, but their American-backed opposition is significantly worse.

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i have no idea why you guys would be unpopular, seems something people would love to hear

Not trying to defend Maduro, like if my life depended on it, but the conditions in which he received the government after Chávez, were particularly difficult to say the least. And actually the U.S. meddling and the opposition haven't given him a break since 2013.

Also add to that what this guy says
, the delaying in applying real socialist measures, complete naivete from Maduro, not acting in the right moment due to indecisions and you have the perfect storm.

And being honest the people inside the government when Maduro took power had different factions, it was divided, Chávez somehow concentrated all those factions and keep them at bay, if one could say that.

Obviously all those groups, factions have a little bit of power "quotas" and different goals ranging from hardcore communist, socialist, reformist, opportunists, bourgeois in disguise, fifth columns, military etc…

The thing is, I cannot side with the opposition, even if I disagree with lots of things from this administration, the opposition represents everything i'm against and what drove this country into this point (Without them fucking up with neoliberal policies in the eighties and nineties, we wouldn't even had Chávez) and if they comeback, we are going back to privatize things again etc etc etc… if there was a way i could give you or show you their government plan and the things the opposition is trying to pass in the national assembly… wow


yeah, i was a fan even when I listen to mostly rock music …very sad what happened to him, didn't know he had so much following

But Venezuela is a dictatorship. A dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, like every single "democracy" in the world.

Western media has been trying to claim Venezuela is a dictatorship for 15 years now but they clearly didn't really believe their own lies because now that things are slightly moving in the direction they claim they were moving in already for 15 years they're going all "IDS HABBENING" like they're surprised their predictions were even just semi-true, because deep down they didn't really believe Venezuela is a dictatorship so it's big news to them that it might move in that direction, even though they claimed it was already there for 15 years.

Kind of how Holla Forums always gets overly-enthusiastic whenever they find a Jewish connection to anything they dislike. Deep down they know that Jews have nothing to do with it, so the idea that there might be even very weak evidence that some Jews do have something to do with it is surprising even to them, even though they've been claiming worse things about Jews all the time.

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