I'm a bit confused. I was thinking about this the other day

Nevermind what I just said. I did some more reading and Marx just stated that someone's labor value is worth the amount of money required to keep that person alive for the day. So someone who works 12 hours makes as much money as he would as if he had just worked 6. This sounds retarded.

Because I don't own a multi-million dollar plant that makes soccer balls or a multi-billion dollar plant that makes cars, dumbass. It would be extremely inefficient if everyone were to produce everything for themselves and for trade not to exist.

but the plants would be collectivized, meaning that you can join the workforce of said plant and create the commodities yourself, dumbass

except trade could exist, in the event that you are such a retard that is unable to join a production line that makes computers you could always join another worker's co-op and engage in trading

that's fucking dumb, modern economics requires specialisation. you realise manufacturing something isn't as easy as just turning up and pressing a button

but there is still a space for specialisation to exist, however it would be democratic

thats because of capitalism and the way it arranges the productive forces

the need of an important workforce that will consume the products made by other workers in order to continue existing is a requisite of itself

mein gott, i can't tell if you're trolling or not, here's your (You) anyway

What I mean is just provide a standard rate of pay. It wouldn't necessarily be directly tied to what is produced by what they are doing so much as it is tied to how much they work and the difficulties/risks associated with that kind of work. I suppose it's not quite like labour vouchers in that sense, but they would be non-transferable so they wouldn't exactly be currency either.

I don't want inequality, but perfect equality isn't always feasible unless you have FALC or something. People who have disabilities and the like could be supported through a social safety net.

Besides, economic equality is a means to an end. Socialism and labour vouchers doesn't need to create perfect equality of wealth, it needs to create equal institutional power to end relationships of subjugation and domination.

Yeah some retard straight from highschool is going to walk straight into a collectivized computer factory and build his own computer. How would that even work when machines do the majority of the work? Even if the faggot went to some shoe factory to make some new shoes, how does it make sense that he is the one that gets to keep the shoes he makes while the people who sent the raw materials to the factory gets nothing?

All of this just sounds a lot easier with the current system where people are just paid by wages rather than have people who don't know what the fuck they're doing going from factory to factory making things for themselves with raw materials they may not even have in the first place.

Be right back, I'm going to go build my own house, something every citizen can do.

Unskilled manufacturing is trending towards automation. Skilled manufacturing requires some level of time investment.

Also, only so many workers can operate a given plant. What are you going to do, go in and demand that they democratically vote on letting you use the plant to make a computer?

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