China's Combustible Ice Breakthrough Grabs World Attention

I would also like to add that your example of "any fire causing a firestorm" is a pathetic straw man equivalence ignoring context completely. Any fire could start a firestorm, if it's surrounded by fuel and energy you fucking idiot.

Note, roughly 12,000 years ago there was a MASSIVE release of methane into the environment which many cite as the cause for the end of the iceage.

Thermodynamically stable is different than mechanically stable. The clathrates are stable because the hydrogen bonds between the water molecules form a cage-like structure for the gas molecules at that temperature and pressure. The precise nature of the cage shape changes depending on the gas present and the T and P. I don't know if the gas hydrate is buoyant, but if it were, the mechanical stability comes into play. Hence, unstable and stable.

It isn't unstable, only so much of the hydrates(which constitute a tiny portion of the sediment's volume) can sublimate into gas even if the sediment is exposed completely to the surrounding sea water. Stop freaking out shit which cannot happen. You couldn't extend eruption more than a hundred meters beyond the area you fluxed with hot fluids to mobilize the methane even if the conditions were perfect. Grain flows regularly cut tens of meter deep and tens of miles long trenches in the continental rise all the time and release methane. Tectonic events cause the sediments to undergo turbity and grain flow and expose hundreds of square miles of saturated sediment yet the supposedly castostrophic release of methane has never been recorded. The amount of energy needed to move that much soil is huge, only a tectonic event can even come close.

What you want me to tell you, your hypothesis is shit.


It's not a strawman, do you realize the amount of energy needed to move tens of meters or more of compacted muck? What your asking, a chain reaction mobilizing the hydrate crystals in the sediment over hundreds of square miles simply cannot be achieved. It is like thinking a campfire can start of firestorm in a forest which has been through a week of rainstorms. You don't have the energy needed to do it, and the fire cannot extract enough energy from anything it would catch on fire to propagate itself. There's no combustion going on here to input energy into the system you understand the hydrates are merely sublimating due to increased temperature or decreased pressure.

It's not buoyant, it sits on the seafloor in the atlantic and there are massive deposits under the seafloor as well. In the Bermuda triangle, there is so much that as it offgasses due to weather conditions, large amounts of bubbles come to the surface. In fact, in some cases, boats have been known to sink due to the quantity of the bubbles.

They aren't different in any relevant way to my point which is why I'm confused you are bringing it up. Either way there is a store of potential energy which is released. How are you not getting this?

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Don't forget about Methane Clathrate!

No the end of the ice age caused increased temperatures which released a shitton of methane over the course of several thousand years, possibly contributing to the warming trend to some indeterminate degree. Or at least that is the consensus as the cycle of glaciation seems to be driven by solar output and continental position more than anything else.

Have a source that isn't a kike on that one?