New World Order

It strikes me that most of Holla Forums is internationalist in their thinking. Globalisation is a related trend that is currently supported by he global elite, as this same global elite has control over the process and as such benefits most from it. My question is would Holla Forums support measures designed to accelerate the pace of globalisation in the short term, with longer term aspirations of taking control of the global system once it is in place to bring about their ideology?

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Would Holla Forums support ripping down the current trend of globalisation and starting again from the ground up?

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how would this even be possible? Are you going to ban trading and technology that makes global communication possible (for example the internet)?

I live in poland, and yet I can communicate with you and we can discuss on equal footing. That is part of globalization too

You seem to be making the mistake of thinking the global elite have created this trend, when in reality they're responding to it and attempting to manage it in a manner consistent with their interests. The problem conspiratorial view of history is that it stresses will above development and ideas above material conditions. Globalisation is the predicted outcome of increased international trade, advancement in communications technology and greater ease of movement internationally. It is not an ideological program.

a one world government would make tax avoidance difficult
borgy don't want that

This. Great post.

It's a hypothetical. Humour me.

Banning trade wouldn't get rid of the internet. That's retarded.


I have no issue with this. I take issue with the mass movement of capital and labour.

You may have misread my post I wasn't saying that.

Do you actually think trade should be banned? Why?

Fair enough. When I say in OP 'accelerate the pace' I mean support directly policy decisions that further the global integration. These are the ones that do come about from up high, trade agreements, easing of national borders, taking powers away from nation states and giving to international institutions.

Yes I'd tariffs on countries in which the state is active in undercutting western manufacturers. We're already in a trade war in all but name. It just so happens the current political elite in the west are on the same side as the capitalists who own factories, that is the side that is IMO against the vast majority of the population in western nations.

It doesn't "just so happen". It is what has and will always happen; it cannot happen any other way.

How about electing somebody openly opposed to their plans?

Two options:
1 ā€“ won't get elected;
2 ā€“ won't oppose their plans.

Yeah no.

This. Globalisation with the bourgeoisie in power is directly against our own interests as it is used to pit the working class against each other in a competitive environment and break up unions/organisation by making the pool of potential labour so large that unions on that scale become impossible.

Also this

You are the one playing by the bourgeois rules, mate, not me.

Tell me more about how your shitposting will bring it down any day now. Honestly. Please do. Cause I see the left offering no solutions or even ways to fight. Nationalism and protectionism my not be ideal but at least they are something tangible. If there was any recourse from the left I'd consider it, but sitting around saying 'it's all capitalism's fault' achieves literally nothing.

It won't. Neither will your vote, whatever it is. Voting is LARPing, plain and simple.

Preparing for the revolution, no matter when it will come, is the only course of action that can give you or your children tangible results. The only reason you believe otherwise is because you trust the myth of democracy more than scientific socialism.

Yeah no. Sounds far too much like dying on my knees to me. What are we waiting on while waiting on the revolution anyway? A leader? A new theory? You can spend your whole life waiting, especially if you are waiting on somebody else doing something they don't want to do.

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Preparing for what and how exactly? Unless you're getting fit, learning to shoot and learning survival skills then you're wasting your time. And there is no reason you can't do that shit and try work for change within the current system at the same time.

Honestly, if thjat's the extent of leftism these days I'm not surprised the right is gaining. You're essentially just /out/ with questionable theory.

Preparing for war.

By building an army: a party, a state and the production units that can sustain them. And by growing.

But there is a reason: no matter how hard I try, I won't bring change within capitalism.

It's like saying you can reach the moon if you keep trying to jump towards it. You can't. What you can do is build a rocket.

Lmao nerd

This place is becoming shitpost general. Anything that doesn't have an accepted leftist solution gets shitposted to oblivion.

Rightfully so

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No

Nice spooks nerd

Keep beliving globalisation is a plot against the white male and not just capitalism trying to solve its inherent flaws

You are a terrible poster my man

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That doesn't seem related to the question in OP. Want pull on the big boy pants and offer an answer to the class?

this was a shitpost m8.>>992419

One other poster has engaged, and even he didn't offer an answer to the question posed in OP. Why is this question so hard to answer?

Far-right and national parties do not stop bourgy globalisation

Bourgy can implement austerity and claim tax reductions for himself arguing about how taxes are just spent in minorities, further diluting the class struggle by distracting workers with the notion of race and nation

But hey if you want to go through the XXth century again be my guest

My bad: it was indeed. For my defense, this particular poster is capable of way worse.

And revolution is the only solution anyway.

They at least address the issue. Whether or not they would stop it is yet to be seen so I don't know how you can claim to know what would happen.

Only final solution maybe. But that doesn't give you the right to stand back and announce yourselves above it in the mean time. You people are meant to be politically and economically astute, and meant to care for the common man. So why not fight with the tools available. If you fight hard and they rob you, you get more support.

Ok classcuck ,:)

What are these tools?

Voting. Holding their feet to the fire in social media. Using the fifth estate to make it harder and less desirable for them to lie. Hell if you box clever you may just get your revolution in your lifetime. But telling people not to vote in their own interests cause muh racism is doing less than nothing, it's actually counterproductive.

This is something that naturally happens under capitalism, you may try to "slow it down", but you won't stop it unless you erase the entire system, think of it as of rolling a boulder up the hill without a flat top.

Lmao

OP, Iā€¦

In what language do I need to tell you that this is not a tool for fighting?

Propaganda? Sure, that's a good thing to do (although we cannot rely on propaganda alone, nor can we expect to ever be a majority, even within the proletariat).

What is that?

That's very doubtful. But if you're right, well, fine.

What is counterproductive is to let people think that voting could be a tool. Voting is not and will never be a tool.

No, Global Capitalism is the natural result of capitalism and technology. Tearing it down, even if it were possible, will just result in the same years down the line.

Not him, but voting, as a way to exist in the popular consciousness, can certainly be a tool.

Could you be more explicit?

Overton window and such. If the political environment(like the American one, at least until recently) does not allow non-parliamentary based organizations to offer a sufficiently strong alternative to the existing status quo, then voting for those "softer" parliamentary based organizations might sightly deradicalize those non-parliamentarians in the eyes of the common man enough to gain more support.

Do you really believe that shit?