What do anfems think of Realdolls?

Wouldn't male dolls for grilles and homos exist too?

That isn't rebel.
There's another Christ-flag user here.

Talk shit all you like but I don't see us working fewer hours at a lower intensity thanks to a century of technological changes.

They wouldn't need them. Females already have a buffet of men to choose from, and always will.

And yet the female sex toy market is much larger than the male one.

Ew.

You look real dumb right now.

They didn't become like that because of sex dolls. They were already like that. Your "solution" would be to leave them lonely and not be allowed to play with dolls, which makes them happy. Go fuck yourself, m8.

Ugh the influx of new users has included a disturbing amount of /r9k/ babies who cry about "women's monopolies".

This is a shit thread.

You misunderstood me. You skipped the sentence right after. I am for the rehabilitation of these people and their reintroduction into society.

Communism is about pushing people like these out of their slump where they ended up through the social consequences of Capitalism. This includes having people form the affinity groups and their own terrible communities. People like this are barbaric for the exact reason which he put down; if nobody is forced to interact with anyone in order to survive, if we all can interact with each other through machinery and never a Real Other person, society as such ceases to exist and Capitalism wins since no one could form any alternative to it and persevere in its construction and development. Direct action and systemic sabotage will only work so far. Look at what happened to LulzSec and to the Tarnac 9 if you want to see the difference.

LulzSec got ripped apart due to a falling out with some of their members and also bad opsec. The Tarnac commune (the alleged authors of Tiqqun and the Coming Insurrection) got ripped apart also due to bad opsec, but they were far more dangerous; they built an almost entirely self sufficient public squat in rural France whose experimental results showed that it is possible to reclaim land and machinery from Capitalist logic and its attendant State. They built a micro counter-state within the country; in the view of the security apparatus, it was practically an ideological bomb factory. They were what Zizek would have wanted, which was Thinking About and Creating a new revolutionary perspective a la Lenin, not necessarily creating a Union of Soviets, but adapted to the material conditions of the 21st century.

The key was that they were people who came together out of their affinity for the particular subject of socialism and communist revolutionary perspective and politics. How can this happen as people become more and more atomized and isolated? One of the key exhortations of Tiqqun is to FIND EACH OTHER. The problem is that in order to build a new society, we need perseverance. This will not happen if people can just mill about like in a milieu, where acquaintances are fleeting and you forget who they are, like Facebook friends.

I think that the coming of such robots will force people to take the idea of affinity grouping seriously and finally put aside feminist and sexual identity politics and turn loneliness into a potent revolutionary perspective. Both men and women would identify with this and obviate identity politics as such.

That's what I think will happen.

Some people want to be left alone. You should now kill yourself.

We already are

Why is no one saying the obvious? hyper realistic vr sex will develop a lot sooner than these will so they'd be a bit redundant

You haven't explained why being forced to interact with you is a good thing for anyone else.

Capitalism will not be brought down by workers meeting up to discuss socialism or people forming communes. The overwhelming majority of people have too much to lose to stand up to the police or really do anything more than vote.
Capitalism will be brought down by a change in the material conditions and nothing else. When people are no longer able to feed their families, then there will be revolution. When "worker" is an obsolete word, then capitalism will cease to exist.

Your dream of everyone holding hands and chatting over tea and cake is lovely, except for the fact that most humans are boring and contemptible. The people I have most in common with are distributed sparsely across the globe and in your ideal luddite society we would never meet.

realistic VR sex requires a high-fidelity brain-computer interface to transmit sensations. That isn't happening for at least 50 years.
If you're talking about a 3D video which you can masturbate to, we have that already and it's kind of shit.

Really, it's a form of soft eugenics. Assuming that realdolls reach the point that sex with them is essentially indistinguishable from sex with a human, those who for whatever reason lack the present capacity to elope with a desirable partner will instead be 100% satisfied with their sex dolls; having little reason to pursue a real partner, they will die childless. That said, without some form of realistic AI this will only happen to the most pathetic of individuals, as almost everyone will eventually become dissatisfied with the total lack of character, emotion, and an actual relationship.

w8, lets have a reality check here. who believes in le invisible god, again?

Or individuals who can't ethically pursue the kind of relationship they would like with a real human.

Anyway, you better hope there are more "pathetic" individuals out there. If population growth continues exponentially as it has been doing, we're all going to be up shit creek.

People can do what they want. The broad social implications don't matter if people are minding their own business not tangibly hurting anyone.

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I don't need to. People are biologically wired to actually need companionship. Neurological studies show that cortical tissue in the brain degrades during long-term separation or solitary confinement. You are actually hurting people when you support their withdrawal from society regardless of whether or not it is voluntary. Not even the monks and hermits of old ever lived by themselves; they would always meet up and pray, eat, and work together. Our natural state is a tribe or a commune, as spooky as that sounds. Ergo, we have an obligation to stick with each other. Otherwise we get Unabombers.

That is half true. Workers right now take up all their time working to survive right now as a means of pacifying them. Workers prior to the Russian Revolution took their time to educate themselves about their work, more efficient tools, materials, and other means of production as well as other subjects like medicine, science and politics. There was a shitton of preparation that took place before the Winter Palace was stormed. Lenin's "Peace, Land and Bread" campaign simply took advantage of the political situation to raise class consciousness and garner support.

People, despite all appearances to the contrary, are not retarded. They will rise up when they have the right information and are pointed in the right direction. Even today, there are whole swathes of the US population that are jobless and can't feed themselves, like in the Rust belt and former coal country like West Virginia. The conditions you wrote about are getting there. Just wait a few months.

So being able to relate to other people and be a socially productive person is genetic now?

That isn't far off, give it 10-15 years.

And they do, but can't act on it, so they hit a symbolic deadlock and shoot up and bomb public places. The most dangerous ones become lone wolves like the Unabomber or Elliot Rodger. They literally have nothing to lose, so they become the revolutionary subjects without class consciousness, ie. fascists. Your move.

10 million tons of food are wasted each year in the US alone and people still go hungry. Scarcity is enforced by the rules that exist due to Capitalism. Land that would be used for subsistence farming in the third world is used to grow cash crops and drugs. Food is grown through the use of poisonous chemicals that throw ecosystems off balance. It's a matter of policy and forcing the fuckers' hands. That's it.

That is a fucking weasel word and you know it. Effects of things that happen over long periods of time are never tangible immediately. This applies to both global warming and people's mental health. Hurting yourself as an individual also hurts the society at large.

Fundamentally, everyone owes each other the same respect we had since before private property, commodity fetishism, and Young-Girl-ism ripped us apart. This is is the least we could do to help people survive the encounter.

They will simply be slaves that must be liberated. Stop thinking of sapient AIs as objects and instead think of them as people. People who are seemingly innocent, durable, don't have a heart to stop, and can theoretically be brought back to life even if incapacitated.

It's in our best interests to liberate robotic sex slaves.

Sufficiently advanced machines will provide all of the necessary companionship and social interaction without any of the awful shit which comes with actual humans. If you're concerned about unabombers (which I doubt you are) you should support the development of human-level AI.

And the revolution still didn't succeed in the long run because the material conditions were not in place to force the transition away from capitalism. If the USSR had been isolated it might have worked, but it wasn't.

You don't understand what an exponential function looks like.
Assuming we perfectly captured all of the energy from the sunlight landing on Earth and converted it into calories, we could feed roughly 10^15 people. At the current rate of population growth (1.1% per year) it will take 1000 years for there to be that many people on Earth. That's less far into the future than the fall of the Roman Empire is in the past.
If you want fancy things like other animals, clouds, machines, living space, or pretty much anything else, that number is going to be a lot smaller.

In conclusion, you're an idiot and you have said nothing of value in this entire thread.

PS. All that awful shit which comes with actual humans includes the kind of interaction which causes people to become violent maniacs in the first place. It's no coincidence that schools (where large numbers of people are forced to interact in a dog-eat-dog social hierarchy) are frequent targets for mass shootings by students.

It would probably range from "this is objectifying women" to "they take jobs away from hard working prostitutes."

It's coffee without cream. It's woman without all the annoying part of woman

They're not really very appealing when they're completely motionless and brain-dead. Personally I'd much rather have a simulated AI loli I couldn't touch (using something like VR goggles) than a lifelike loli body with no mind. I can get all the sexual release I need with 2D porn. I'd like some companionship though.

Then again, such an AI companion would probably give me false hope and/or a sense of duty and discourage me from committing suicide. That could lead to some extremely unpleasant possible futures. I guess that risk is part of the human condition. You just have to live life one day at a time.

We all used to ride horses and most of the population worked in agriculture to ensure we had enough to eat. Stock exchanges used to have busy trading floors, filled with people.

Google "Combine Harvester".

I think people that are triggered by sexualized chuck-e-cheese marionettes being held up by visible steel poles are deeply hypocritical twats that are concern trolling about the welfare of men.

Funny how we these people are preoccupied by how lonely these men will become in this nebulous future with their sex dolls while serious problems like men's disproportionate suicide rate relative to women doesn't elicit the same concern.

The only people concerned about this are people who make money off of commoditizing female sexuality, which includes a huge number of young women.

If men, even a small amount of men have an alternative to sex it will lower the market price of sex from women. This triggers women that regularly commodtize their sexuality either explicitly or implicitly (friendzone) and the industries that support it (bars, restaurants, nightclubs).

Saw this same thing happen on the internet in the early 2000's. Tons of men complaining that they couldn't find women and blaming everything from hookup culture to the disintegration of traditional values.

When the real reason was was that women had reached parity in terms of earning wage labor capital with, and in some arenas surpassed them (since the 90's more women have earned degrees than men). And they had no interest in marrying a man that was equal or lower in class than themselves.

Women of course made it worse by claming these men's failures on everything to being bigoted (even though their fathers were mostly likely more so) to being weak.

So it looks like it's women's turn in terms of being forced to address how they commoditizie sex and relationships.

TL;DR No one real give a fuck about how sex dolls will alienate men. Just how sex dolls will make men more difficult to exploit.

If there aren't I'll become an anfem

kys

anfem, believe me or don't
strongly pro. takes weak men out of the gene pool without violent chaos.
polygamy's the future; the higher the ratio the better. the future is 99% female and all the males are god-tier.
they rule us, but since there are so few it's effectively minarchy outside the boudoir.
for it to work we need skynet and realdolls. it's honestly this or islam.

Fertility is decelerating worldwide, and already below replacement rate on every continent except Africa and Asia. Global population is expected to peak at 9-12 billion (mostly due to Africa) sometime between 2050-2100 before gradually declining.

lolno
China won't subsidise useless eaters

"Anfem" is not a legitimate political persuasion. Please stop feeding this board's resident trolls.

Not even two years ago the UN revised up ALL their estimates for population growth. We are well on course to set a new record for the 'fastest new billion people'

5bn in 1987 (13 years from 4bn at 1974)
6bn in 1999 (12 years)
7bn in 2011 (12 years)
today, 7.46bn, give or take.

That is, on course to hit 8bn by 2021.

I think they are massively overestimating the rate at which birth rates will decline.

You're not a legitimate political persuasion.

Technology changes but it's yet to reach a point where our social relations have fundamentally changed.

Most men will still prefer a real woman. Part of the draw to a relationship is a desire to care about another living being with a "soul" like your own.

The only women that will get screwed over by sex robots are the women who have shitty personalities that aren't worth being taken care of. It would basically just raise the bar for female dignity. Women who aren't dipshits will have no problem getting a decent man. It's only the dumb screeching feminidiots, fatties, and princesses who will find themselves being replaced.

TL;DR the only girls who have something to fear from this are the kind men shouldn't want anyways.

So, the industrial revolution redistributing the human population from rural farms to urban cities doesn't count?
What about the very first development of farming which allowed cities to appear in the first place? Was that not a sufficiently significant change to our social relations?

Anyway, it shouldn't need to be debated whether or not the development of artificial general intelligence will change our social relations. It should be completely obvious that it will.
The only question is how long it will take us to develop that level of technology.

Screw dolls, I just want an AI girlfriend.

Also humanoid, autonomous robots are still decades away and won't be feasible as fucktoys even then.
We're still in the process of figuring iut the complex kinematics behind human mimics, posture, gestures and general movement in 3D simulations.
Translating those into a model that is subject to real world conditions is going to be even harder.

You'd have to be REALLY fucked up in the head to even want to have sex with the clunky pieces of crap we have right now.

AR/VR Girlfriends will probably become more popular in the future (watch some of the stuff you can do with the Hololens, shit's amazing) but it'll remain in fringe territory.

If you want to discuss something that'll have widespread social consequences, look at CRISPR and AI.

Not him but that's probably because female masturbation is seen much differently from male masturbation. Like, try listening to two normies talking about dildos and two normies talking about fleshlights or other artificial vaginas.