MASTER OF MAGIC

Daniel Barnes
Daniel Barnes

MASTER OF MAGIC

Did anyone play this game? Or the "spiritual successor" Worlds of Magic that I haven't yet played?

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Liam Powell
Liam Powell

do any of you kids even know this game

Dylan Sullivan
Dylan Sullivan

If you mean the original DOS one, yeah, it was very good. It rivaled both Civ and Heroes in my opinion.

Hunter Cruz
Hunter Cruz

GoG fixed it right up playing it now on Win7

James Harris
James Harris

Does Insecticide work with it?

Joshua Bennett
Joshua Bennett

That game was fucking amazing. I loved to play as the edgy guy and do edgy magick all day, enslaving my people and wrecking havoc all around.
It was great to craft some OP items, summon a powerfull hero and make him exterminate everyone. Enchanting a stack of doom to make them unkillable was great.
It also had the mirror plane that was pretty unique and all resources worked in an interesting way, as well as actual differences between each race.

I still haven't tried the new game but it seems to be a direct port from it with all the features and the same gameplay but shinier graphics.
While I was expecting something new, I can't say it disappoints me.

Age of Wonders 2 and a few other clones that came in between try to improve the formula and sometimes they do it right, others not so much…

Benjamin Peterson
Benjamin Peterson

It's pretty noice and satisfied my hero building needs like no other game did.
Klackons did nothing wrong.

Carter Long
Carter Long

God tier game. I play it on my fagbook pro.

Nathaniel Walker
Nathaniel Walker

If I actually had a counter of how much total time in my life I've wasted on Master of Magic, I'd probably die of shame.
It's the only game that's been installed on every computer I've had since it was released.
I even played it on a DS with a Dos emulator.

Connor Perez
Connor Perez

hellya, I was playing this game in dosbox forever.

I'm gonna check out Worlds of Magic and see if it doesn't suck.

Myran
Trolls
Alchemy
Warlord
4 books of nature magic.

build:
regenerating (immortal), magic weapon, super elite war trolls. – hoping to dear god I can find more spell books once I get rolling.

Josiah Sullivan
Josiah Sullivan

My own usual choice is:
Myrran
Dark Elves
Node Mastery
Warlord
One book each for life, chaos, sorcery and nature magic.

There is the easiest game possible with that setup, as dark elven cities produce amazing amounts of magic power for your wizard. First an all-priest stack with some heroes, later replace priests with warlocks. Flying, invisibility, heroism and crusade are the spells to go to. On the highest difficulty Myrran magic nodes usually contain spellbooks and magic retorts with more perks for your wizard. At the start of the game conjure as many magic spirits as possible, cast endurance on them (if known) and send them to scout the map.

Easton Nguyen
Easton Nguyen

fuck yeah doom bolt

but dark elves produce so much mana that you will research all your spells toooooooo fast, it is always a race to get more books before your forced to research mastery.

Matthew Perry
Matthew Perry

Lately I've been dicking around with barbarians and chaos magic, especially Immolation and Flame Blade. Flame Blade augments both their throwing and melee attacks, and Immolation triggers on both. So, when attacking, an elite Flame Bladed Immolationed barbarian spearmen delivers a 40 hit throwing attack and a (4*number of enemy figures) Immolation attack before the enemy gets to even exchange blows, and then does both again in melee phase. Berserkers make a stronger attack, and cavalry (with first strike) deliver all four strikes before an enemy can counterattack.
Also I like high growth rates.

Current build:
Barbarian
Channeler
Conjurer
Chaos Mastery
7 Chaos

Jackson Perez
Jackson Perez

There's also Warlock - Master of the Arcane, which has most of the characters from Master of Magic, I don't know just how similar they are though.

Jose Collins
Jose Collins

Learn to switch priority on power distribution wands when needed.

Ayden Thompson
Ayden Thompson

naked fairies and nagas

Jacob Long
Jacob Long

Probably useful for some of you, here's how many spell books you need to enchant artefacts with permanent spells:

Sorcery
5: flight, invisibility, magic immunity
6: illusionary attack
7: haste

Nature
2: resist elements, water walking, stoning
3: giant strength, pathfinding
4: elemental armor
6: regeneration

Chaos
2: flaming
5: lightning, destruction
6: chaos

Life
2: bless, endurance
3: holy avenger
4: righteous
5: planar travel, invulnerability
6: true sight, lionheart

Death
2: cloak of fear
3: death
4: power drain, wraithform
5: vampirism

Maybe not complete as I never go below 5 books in illusion if I use it at all.

Charles Bennett
Charles Bennett

mfw all six heroes have regeneration effect

Jaxson Morgan
Jaxson Morgan

…and then they get cracks called into the depths of hell. Because once, just once, you decided to play without sorcery and therefore without flight.

Mason James
Mason James

yeah, until magic resistance makes that not a thing, that happens so rarely i admit it is a reload moment.

Charles Taylor
Charles Taylor

I'm pretty sure flight and wraith form are the only ways to protect against cracks call.

Colton Phillips
Colton Phillips

tbh I can't remember but it seems to me that it was never an issue in my flightless games, I often don't invest in sorcery, though I do try to buy trinkets with wraith form or flight on them…

I just used my trolls to zerg rush the Sss'ra and his Draconian city just as soon as I could buy 8 swordsman. It was close but he is dead and the plane is now mine for awhile.
feeling comfy

William King
William King

I usually start with humans on Arcanus and rush towards mithril paladins, then the blitzkrieg on Myrror begins to get adamantium paladins. Fortify Arcanus with them, then throw a plane seal and take all of Myrror for myself. Most often you can avoid wars on Arcanus this way while still having its most potent units.

Nathan Howard
Nathan Howard

Worlds of Magic failed. The devs learned some lessons from that failed launch and released an overhaul called Planar Conquest (which they gifted for free to all WoM players). By all accounts Planar Conquest is much better. Haven't played either though.

Benjamin Jones
Benjamin Jones

I think what I usually rolled with was

Myrran
Dwarves
Alchemy
Artificer
Book picks to taste, maybe Famous or Archmage

I have simple tastes, I just want heroes and money.

Eli Garcia
Eli Garcia

People on the forums are saying they are playing with it, so it should work. The GOG release is just the original DOS version bundled with DOSBox and it shouldn't be using any cracks. I know I didn't need any crack for my CD version.

Tyler Moore
Tyler Moore

I think I discovered my earliest bug in this game. Summoned units would disappear after battle, but you could use a spell to return them to your capital and they'd turn into real units.

Either that or my memory's not that good.

John Richardson
John Richardson

Yeah, it's a real bug from back then. But it is not especially game breaking as they have from now on the upkeep 7 mana/turn. It's too much just for Phantom Warriors or a Fire Elemental, isn't it? Even for a Phantom Beast it's pushing it a bit.

Angel Gonzalez
Angel Gonzalez

Come to think of that, I never exploited it on Demons summoned by Demon Lord either.

Nathaniel Nguyen
Nathaniel Nguyen

Master of Magic thread on Holla Forums
I didn't create it
It's so beautiful, it brings a tear to my eye.

My favourite game of all time, right here.

Don't bother with Worlds of Magic, it's broken. Go for Planar Conquest instead. It's the same game, just fixed.

Elijah Cook
Elijah Cook

The d20 thing is weird to me though. How's that working out?

Zachary Jenkins
Zachary Jenkins

It's… okay. It works similarly, thankfully; instead of each figure rolling a d10 for each point they have in a stat, they get a bonus to a single d20 roll for each figure.

Christian Taylor
Christian Taylor

I'm really curious as to how with a template of perfection Worlds of Magic became in the eyes of everyone who has played it. But I will find Planar Conquest and have a go.

William Reed
William Reed

became (shit) in

Colton Butler
Colton Butler

They're an indie studio without much experience. Their Early Access reviews were positive so after a lengthy period of Early Access they released it, but really it was still unfinished / obvious beta. Then they got a barrage of complaints and poor sales so they made patches and then went back to the drawing board (I think they had to rework the UI too) and re-released it. The Planar Conquest re-release was gifted for free to all WoM owners, and WoM support was discontinued. By all accounts Planar Conquest is much better.

Chase Gonzalez
Chase Gonzalez

Try Lionheart on them instead. And bring them to the Champion rank.

Dominic Sanders
Dominic Sanders

You could always save-scum Chaos-Channeling them to have wings. But that's quite risky, as they become vulnerable to many spells usable on fantastic units only.

Julian Young
Julian Young

And only the wraithform from artifacts, if my memory serves.

Samuel Wright
Samuel Wright

And nightblades are decent units for guarding important spots on the map. If you have flight and your enemy has not, you can always skip the turn 50 times to make the opponent withdraw from the battle.

Isaiah Perez
Isaiah Perez

no hill or mountain in sight
Roll again.

Dominic Scott
Dominic Scott

Did that in my chaotic days but spamming flames over the whole battlefield just isn't my style anymore, it got boring.
Really should try going for death magic someday, but muh guardian spirits…
Regeneration on artefact works on undead heroes, right?

Bentley Bailey
Bentley Bailey

Probably. Undead troll units still have it.

If I would have to choose between chaos and death magic, death sucks mightily. For example if you want new zombies, you can't fight with a full stack, last I checked.

Noah Russell
Noah Russell

And for me it's not "muh guardian spirits", but "much archangel bonus" and "muh high prayer" "muh crusade" "muh planar seal", "muh true sight" , "muh stream of life", "muh incarnation"…. You get the picture.

Austin Thomas
Austin Thomas

What is Eador Genesis like?

Camden Sanders
Camden Sanders

Holy shit I love this game. Lately I've been trying to beat it with every mono-color build. Nature and Death were super easy, Life was okay, Illusion was kind of a pain, and I haven't gotten through Chaos yet. They don't have a lot of solid spells like Life, and they don't have a late-game dominating spell like the other three.

taking nature books on trolls when one of their superstar spells is Regeneration anyways
Do Life instead, you can endurance your starting swordsman and make him unkillable, then later planar seal and roll all of Myrror without any pesky interruptions.

Robert Perry
Robert Perry

Not to forget "muh warlord + crusade" on adamatium paladins. Life is pretty OP tbh fam.
But Torin? Overrated if you ask me. Get all three axe wielding heroes, then fill the roster with casters that bring spells from other schools you don't have naturally or archers. Torin may be strong in melee and casting but he doesn't add versatility to your doomstack.

Hudson Young
Hudson Young

Disagree. Spell Blast and lot of mana practically win the game for you. You stop worrying about opponents casting the spell of mastery ever. You can also easily disenchant or even steal any global enchantment that your opponents have. Blue magic is pretty good.

Henry Watson
Henry Watson

He has armsmaster or armsmaster* often. That means other heroes fleshing out quite fast.

Logan Watson
Logan Watson

And with blue magic you can make the most amazing artifacts in the game. Permanent haste and magic immunity for your heroes, m8.

Justin Reyes
Justin Reyes

And you probably don't know about the Confusion + Word of Recall trick, right?

Nathan Hill
Nathan Hill

Doesn't work on heroes, just normal units. Now, if we were talking about leadership, yes, that's nice. Doesn't work on fantastical creatures tho, so Torin can't boost himself with this. Then there are quite some buffs you can't lay on Torin in combat, just on the land map. Yes, he's strong, but there are better heroes.

David Ross
David Ross

there are better heroes
ROLAND THE PALADIN ALL DAY ERRY DAY

Samuel Gonzalez
Samuel Gonzalez

Although it pisses me off if he has useless Arcane Power on him.

Brandon Nguyen
Brandon Nguyen

My bad. I haven't played the game since switching from WinXP to 7. Somehow I couldn't make it run there. Time to torrent the GOG version, I guess.

There are less than six heroes better than him, and that's all that matters. I'm counting two champions of life, one of chaos, one of nature (you can't have the necromancer and the death knight without death books). The illusionist is worse, for example.

Dylan Diaz
Dylan Diaz

Then look beyond the champions. None of the three axe wielders counts as a champion but they all can throw devastating attacks before the combat even starts. Enchantments on an axe also increase their thrown attacks. I'll take Shalla over Torin every day of the week, every week of the year, same as the other 2. They may be more reliant on artefacts but I'll be pumping mana into those nonstop anyway.

James King
James King

Enchanting flight requires only 3 blue spell books.

Kevin Allen
Kevin Allen

Thx, noted.

Dylan Ward
Dylan Ward

If you equip both with the best equipment possible, have the same positive enchantments cast on them, and have them both on the Demi-God level, I doubt that Shalla or Fang would win against Torin one-on-one.

Colton Stewart
Colton Stewart

Especially that he can have your Web and Cracks Call spells in his repertoire, heh.

Zachary Garcia
Zachary Garcia

I'm quite sure Shalla, Gunnar and Baghtru all have a fair chance at defeating Torin if wielding a good axe. More importantly, they're less likely to catch damage in melee at all as they annihilate all but the strongest opponents before they can counterattack and dispelled enchantments can be refreshed in battle which many can't be on Torin as he's a fantastical creature that can only get these enchantments on the land map.

Austin Sanchez
Austin Sanchez

Database errors have stopped my last two comments, sorry.

Parker Long
Parker Long

Axe-wielders? Not only the amazon, which can be pretty good with blademaster, but the orc and the barbarian as well? These suckers? I usually hire them, cast water walking or flight, and dispel it after moving them on the sea squares, lol.

Blake Foster
Blake Foster

dispelled enchantments
You know about the Spell Lock, right? And I'm speaking about one-on-one, without wizards directly interfering.

Nice, tried again and it worked.

William Peterson
William Peterson

The Orc is pretty shitty, but the Barbarian is actually a total powerhouse in disguise.

Joshua Gonzalez
Joshua Gonzalez

They have both very limited and shitty selection of traits.

Julian Taylor
Julian Taylor

The Barbarian is pretty good, for a Hero. He gets Might, Constitution (sometimes, I think) and Throwing. Which makes him pretty good for a few gold hire.

Justin Collins
Justin Collins

No blademaster, shitty defense, only one random trait or trait upgrade, if my memory serves. I also like to have legendary heroes first, which allows me to hire champions faster.

Mason Richardson
Mason Richardson

Wiki says:
He has no Random Abilities, and thus will be the same every time you play the game.

Josiah Johnson
Josiah Johnson

masterofmagic.wikia.com/wiki/Random_Abilities
See yourself at the bottom of the page.

Henry Wright
Henry Wright

Try Lionheart on them instead. And bring them to the Champion rank.

I prefer what I'm doing now.
I've done life to death, and anyway Lionheart is a rare, and Champion requires both Warlord and the Crusade spell, so I'd be going from a fast start to a much slower one. The game is usually in the bag by the time I have a very rare.
Furthermore the point of the strategy is to one hit everything, so the hearts from LH are mostly wasted.

Also works well with the heroes mentioned.

Easton Turner
Easton Turner

I confess I need to read a FAQ – I finally picked this up and I'm a bit lost. (Same with MOO2 – when I was younger I was fine with the interface, but oldfag me gets confused)

Ian Harris
Ian Harris

NEVER
underestimate the effect of a highly enchanted axe thrown in your face before it gets used to cut down what remains. I did at first as those 2 don't look like anything special but they're very very effective if equipped with a good axe.

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Ayden Reed
Ayden Reed

axe-throwing ability
Additional 11-12 damage dealt without equipment or enchantments. Won't prevent the opponent retaliating if you don't have first strike, and you don't have it.

While generous caster ability paired with Web and Cracks Call spells will bring down anyone, eventually. Moreover, if you have haste from your artifacts and movement points maxed, then the fight might be quite lulzy.

Kevin Young
Kevin Young

*anyone corporeal

Ian Parker
Ian Parker

Not denying it doesn't amount to much without equipment or enchantments, but a hastened flaming +6 axe thrown twice into someones face before proper melee starts isn't just a strong argument pro axe wielding heroes, it's the slaying of gods. Or dragons. Or whatever thought itself immortal.

Ryder Brooks
Ryder Brooks

Planar Conquest
Isn't that a mobile game though?

Kayden Morgan
Kayden Morgan

Eador: Genesis is more for Heroes of Might and Magic 3 fans, although it's also its own beast. It's great though. Played it and recommend it.

Here's a review: tacticularcancer.com/content.php?id=3904

Christian Allen
Christian Allen

fixed it right up

If by "fixed it right up", you mean "made you pay for DosBox", sure.

Brayden Murphy
Brayden Murphy

It's released on both PC and mobile. The mobile edition has shit graphics (why the fuck they used 3D instead of sprites I do not know) but the gameplay is still real. They didn't do that weird shit where you neuter and casualize it to hell for a mobile release.

Adam Hernandez
Adam Hernandez

So why did they go d20?

David Roberts
David Roberts

I torrented a version of "Planar Conquest" to "check it out". Couldn't get it to even get past a frozen loading screen. Went to the steam forums and found "1000000000000" bug posts.

:(

Lincoln Parker
Lincoln Parker

I wish there were more let's plays of Master of Magic on Youtube. I want to see some different builds and combos utilized that I may not normally do, or someone doing a challenging combo to win with.

Chase Turner
Chase Turner

MASTER OF MAGNET!

Henry Scott
Henry Scott

There's a couple interesting Worst Wizard challenge videos.
Pic unrelated.

Hunter Sanders
Hunter Sanders

Aping Age of Wonders series, I guess?

Tyler Powell
Tyler Powell

I remember great wyrms from the nature realm to be the greatest pain in the ass for melee-oriented heroes. Try clearing a Myrran nature node featuring nine of them (I have seen that repeatedly on impossible difficulty) with one and only one of your beloved characters and then return to tell the tale.

Joseph Gray
Joseph Gray

*black knight

Isaac Thomas
Isaac Thomas

You can't expect to win unscathed, because it's impossible to deal enough damage in one attack to clock all the 45 hitpoints they have.
Shalla is always charmed, so she should be more survivable because of practically ignoring their poisoning attacks, but that would be a close call anyway.

Carter Roberts
Carter Roberts

9 would suck, but six heroes (champions, geared, leveled) with 3 summoned wryms or other with either regenate or reincarnate will get you through it.

Sebastian Ramirez
Sebastian Ramirez

also fly i guess

Mason White
Mason White

Sole flying Warrax can just clear the node after clicking "Auto" button.

Austin Collins
Austin Collins

*on impossible difficulty with powerful magic

James Scott
James Scott

editing MOM

That actually would be pretty fun.

Jackson Hill
Jackson Hill

It's a pretty extensive mod.
The creator is also continuing the work of insecticide and made a 1.5 patch available that includes all the bugfixes without the mod stuff.

Grayson Kelly
Grayson Kelly

If he doesn't run out of mana, afterwards catapulting himself into a suicidal melee attack. The point wasn't presenting the unbeatable genocide machine, it was about presenting the strongest heroes without ranged attack. Of course they'd be supported by ranged attackers, Warrax quite often one of them. One other frequent support would be Alorra, weakening threats with magic immunity before a flying axe finishes the job.
it's impossible to deal enough damage in one attack to clock all the 45 hitpoints they have
Shallas unmodified thrown attack at demigod is 12. A flaming +6 axe adds 9. Jewelry bonus also adds to thrown attacks, so another 4 can be added. That's a thrown attack of 25. Hastened then means 2 thrown attacks before melee is entered. So, while unlikely, it very much is possible for Shalla to kill a completely healthy great wyrm only with her thrown attack. Bahgtru and Gunther have only 1 less innate thrown attack so they both could do this as well, they're just less likely to achieve this result.

Anthony Howard
Anthony Howard

Test that in practice, then.

Oliver Diaz
Oliver Diaz

Demi-God Warrax has at least 90 mana. That's 30 times using a ranged attack, and, if my memory serves, you don't need more than three shots per wyrm.

Juan Brooks
Juan Brooks

How would I do that? There's no indication if a kill happened before melee. I just have to trust in the known formula.

Mason Gonzalez
Mason Gonzalez

Don't be daft. If you have no additional sources of defense points, your hero would be wounded if the wyrm doesn't get killed before entering melee.

Ethan White
Ethan White

The wyrms 60% hit chance still has the possibility to deliver only blockable damage. Even emerging unscathed from battle with a great wyrm doesn't guarantee that it was slain before melee.

Kevin Cook
Kevin Cook

So you do it multiple times and test the expected result vs actual.
You don't even need a large sample size, since we're mostly testing "can it be done at all."
Even emerging unscathed from battle with a great wyrm doesn't guarantee that it was slain before melee.
Just make sure not to go out of your way to pump defense.
I'm curious, I'm going to run the math on it now.

Ethan Robinson
Ethan Robinson

On the other hand, being wounded each time guarantees that it wasn't.

Noah Fisher
Noah Fisher

While Shallas attacks have 100% hit probability we're still talking about overcoming 12 defense at 30% defense probability with 2 attacks of 25 strength and a maximum of 5 blocked damage to achieve the tested result. I have no idea how high the success probability would be but that sounds like a shitload of testing.

Lucas Martinez
Lucas Martinez

D'oh, forget as great wyrms aren't immune to magic and don't have true sight, so illusionary attack enchantment should achieve a pre-melee kill every single time. Huh. Might take some days but I think I'll try it, should work.

Jace Hill
Jace Hill

Yeah it's pretty easily done.
As far as the testing goes, the question I was referring to is whether an undamaged Shalla means she killed it with the thrown attack or merely blocked all the damage, so you need the opposite set of probabilities - her defense and the wyrm's attack.
Unbuffed demigod Shalla has 8 defense, which means she'll block an average of 2.4 hits, up to a very small chance (about 7/100000) of blocking 8 hits.
The great wyrm has a 60% chance to hit and 25 swords, so it delivers an average of 15 hits and has less than a 1/100 chance of dealing less than 9 hits.
In other words, even if she had a 100% defense chance with 8 shields, if she thwacked a wyrm and got out unscathed even just once, you can be pretty certain that she killed it before it could do damage.

Landon Reyes
Landon Reyes

ITT: Master of Mathic

It's amazing. I never thought I'd see people discussing my favourite game so thoroughly.

Oliver Powell
Oliver Powell

In the old days before the 1.2 patch I also took Channeler when it had the cost of one spellbook and Artificer or Charismatic for better odds of trading spells with other wizards.

Ayden Young
Ayden Young

What the fuck is this?
It looks cool, but I've never played it nor do I even have a basic idea of what you do beyond cast spells and found cities and shit. If I were to consider getting this, should I instead get this Planar Conquest thing I've seen mentioned?

Blake Garcia
Blake Garcia

There isn't really a 4x that does magic as right as Master of Magic does. Lots of options and almost every single one is, or at least feels, broken. Get it for free and install the fanpatch to fix most of the bugs it has.

James Nelson
James Nelson

Could you even cast Black Channels on a hero? Other than that, neither Animate Dead nor Life Draining attacks/spells would work or heroes.

Gabriel Robinson
Gabriel Robinson

Yes you can.
masterofmagic.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Channels
Just let them reach max level before making them undead as undead can't gain experience.

Caleb Allen
Caleb Allen

Not worth it, personally. The bonus is rather small for a one-figure unit. On the other hand, high upkeep units with 6 or 8 figures are the best targets for this spell.

Kayden Walker
Kayden Walker

Really trolls are the best targets, as they regenerate, even though they don't have many figures. Especially as they have a relatively shitty economy.
The underlying problem with Black Channels is that it's expensive with low upkeep, but best works on cheap units. But why throw BC on a swordsmen or spearmen to make a suicidal unit when you can summon 4 skellingtons for the same mana cost, and no production cost.
It would make more sense to me if it was cheap to cast with a steeper upkeep.

Isaiah Morris
Isaiah Morris

Not swordsmen. Slingers, longbowmen, pikemen, berserkers, hammerhands, javelineers, high men magicians and so on.

Ayden Phillips
Ayden Phillips

I'd never want to give up the ability to heal on the high-end units for such a proportionately small gain. Especially after getting them to elite level.
And again, it's just not worth it on the cheaper units, especially ranged. +1 ranged damage, only to be whittled down by a few trash enemies? No thanks.

Jackson Fisher
Jackson Fisher

Torin the Chosen is potentially the most powerful unit in Master of Magic, and one of the most unique. He is simultaneously both a Hero and a Fantastic Creature belonging to the Icon Life.pngLife realm. Torin obeys rules pertaining to both these types of units - with awesome results.

Torin the Chosen is available only to Icon Life.pngLife-wielding wizards who have acquired the Incarnation spell. Casting this spell (for a cost of Icon Mana.png 500) will summon Torin to your service. The same spell can also be used to bring Torin back from the dead - with his statistics intact - if he ever falls in battle or is dismissed. Torin will never appear for hire on his own under any circumstances, and cannot be summoned nor resurrected by any other spell.

masterofmagic.wikia.com
mfw I discover MoM has a wikia

Gabriel Butler
Gabriel Butler

Get it on GOG (Good Old Games) and give it a try. Very affordable and well worth the purchase.

Jordan Russell
Jordan Russell

Just let them reach max level before making them undead as undead can't gain experience.
Or you can use Armsmaster if you want to level your undead.

Carter Ross
Carter Ross

It is worth it for garrison units mostly.

Jason Cruz
Jason Cruz

You can have a "zero spellbook" wizard too.

Dominic Harris
Dominic Harris

Doesn't work on heroes, only normal units. If you want an undead hero you need to level him up before casting black channels or he'll never reach his full potential.

Nolan Davis
Nolan Davis

Actually you should add +2 to both attack and defense of the great wyrm due to nature node aura.

Jack Ramirez
Jack Ramirez

The latest fanpatch 1.50 is generally better than 1.40n, except one point:
Less strict requirements on starting location of wizard's capitals, which means that you can have even more shitty location for your starting city than in the base, unpatched game. Expect rerolling the game map more often because the place you start has the maximum population limit of 8 thousand and is in the middle of a swamp or big desert.

PLIGHT - Psyringe's Lush In-Game Help Text is outdated, covering only the changes till and including 1.40h. Still better than the initial help.lbx file.

John Carter
John Carter

6 tiles
shitty starting location

10 tiles
mapgen/game crashes

Why can't they just set it back to 8 and have done with it?

Grayson Parker
Grayson Parker

*sub out "tiles" for "max population" and that last post is all good. I had tundra on the mind.

Samuel Harris
Samuel Harris

Learn MoM modding and do it yourself.

Joseph Green
Joseph Green

I understood that as with tiny landmasses there might be not enough good starting locations for every wizard and the map generation script would hang the game trying to find them over and over again.

Brody Ross
Brody Ross

BTW what is the meaning of that blue crosshair icon just after upkeep?

Aiden Martinez
Aiden Martinez

Ah, so it's unit's to-hit bonus. Why there? In unpatched game it was shown somewhere else and that only if it wasn't zero. Why fix something that isn't broken?

Owen Roberts
Owen Roberts

Out of curiosity, what's the best way to obtain Mystic X?

Thomas Hall
Thomas Hall

You could spam Summon Champion.

John Ward
John Ward

Any way to maximize those odds?

Connor Morgan
Connor Morgan

to be specific. save the game 1 turn before summon champion will be cast. hit new turn, and each time you will get a random champion who is not dead and you have access too.

mystic x should be available to all wizards.

Tyler Diaz
Tyler Diaz

Well, I didn't want suggest a save scumming method, but sure that works fine.

Dominic Ramirez
Dominic Ramirez

mystic x should be available to all wizards.
Ah, I thought (s)he might have been specific to chaos wizards.

Connor Howard
Connor Howard

masterofmagic.wikia.com/wiki/Mystic_X_the_Unknown

Charles Davis
Charles Davis

In the fanpatch changelog there is a mention about disabling savescumming heroes with Summon Hero and Summon Champion spells. The target is decided once you begin casting the spell.

Noah Morgan
Noah Morgan

*mention of

Grayson Ramirez
Grayson Ramirez

that really isn't a huge deal considering that there is only like 8 champions + torin. it isn't that hard to get the champion you want, also some games mystic X is (relatively) useless.

Caleb Brown
Caleb Brown

Yes, I couldn't unhear that either.

Lincoln Wright
Lincoln Wright

Any thoughts on Warlock series?

Jace Ward
Jace Ward

It's shit.

Logan Long
Logan Long

Where do I get the fanpatch and what are some of the other notable things it does/fixes? Lots of older games like that I didn't know had such fanpatches to them cus they weren't really massive games just yet with things you could easily miss.

Carson Nelson
Carson Nelson

Make sure to have neither Life nor Death spellbooks to disqualify their respective champions from being summoned.

Adrian Williams
Adrian Williams

Torin can only be summoned via a life spell.

I'm fairly certain the death hero/champion requires a book of death too.

Kevin Powell
Kevin Powell

seravy.x10.mx/CasterofMagic/

Has the Caster of Magic mod, which includes the 1.5 patch, as well as a separate option for just the patch with no mod.
Unfortunately Seravy's documentation is kind of shit and despite stating that the non-mod version would stick to bugfixes, he couldn't seem to resist making game balance changes in the 1.5 version as well.

realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthread.php?tid=3663
has the last Insecticide patch, which is about 95% pure bugfix, 5% interface improvements and gameplay options.

Nicholas Kelly
Nicholas Kelly

pet pev of patchers.

I fixed a dozen bugs but I rebalanced your favorite shit to make it shit. ta ta

Mason Anderson
Mason Anderson

Unfortunately Seravy's documentation is kind of shit and despite stating that the non-mod version would stick to bugfixes, he couldn't seem to resist making game balance changes in the 1.5 version as well.
That annoys the shit out of me too.

Landon Carter
Landon Carter

What kind of balance changes are we talking? Is it making things that were underpowered overpowered or something? Trying to change fan favorites into being a more challenging thing to use? I remember watching a let's play saying the Klackons in the game are crap.

Logan Cook
Logan Cook

He means that without them both, there are 4 champions less to roll a pick from, increasing the odds for MysticX in result.

Leo Jones
Leo Jones

It makes the AI less retarded in specific ways, making it more difficult to exploit as you are used to from the past.
There are still ways to abuse it even in 1.50. For example if your opponent has devastating spells you want to prevent him from casting in some important battle, you can drain him out of mana in several meaningless scuffles in the same turn, as long as he has a battle summoning spell in his spellbook.

For example if I fight Tauron and he casts Disintegrate on my newbie hero on the first turn of battle for one of his cities, then I attack him first with a single unit of Nightblades (which have innate Invisibility on them) as far from his fortress as possible (the other plane is the best). I initiate combat, move my unit somewhere out of the way, watch as he summons Fire Elemental three times, then press done 50 times, making my unit retreat safely. Repeat the process until he stops summoning elementals due to lack of mana, then initiate the important battle I mentioned before.

Henry Ortiz
Henry Ortiz

*than you are used from the past

James Gomez
James Gomez

That wouldn't work against wizard with True Sight or death realm units in his army. The variant with flying units is less effective because he can attack them with magic or ranged attacks. The variant with magic immunity is less effective unless you have a speed advantage large enough to avoid melee before exhausting his mana pool for the battle.

Gabriel Bell
Gabriel Bell

*with magic spells or ranged attacks

Kevin King
Kevin King

They are crap due to unrest tables imbalance. Gnolls are also crap, if less, because of their weakness to magic.

Elijah Robinson
Elijah Robinson

See for yourself. If for not for that, you would be able to offset their other weaknesses by settling more cities with other races you conquered.
masterofmagic.wikia.com/wiki/Unrest

Carson Reed
Carson Reed

If he has Flame Strike already, that also can be a problem for that exploit.

Wyatt Ramirez
Wyatt Ramirez

Kali and Tauron are Lodoss War ripoffs

Carson Martin
Carson Martin

Most of MoM names are actually random mythologies not lifting off other games but off of real dudes. Lodoss War certainly didn't invent dragon-people either. Just'saying

Ryan James
Ryan James

er, not 'of real dudes' but off real mythological history, same as most games and books..

Owen Hernandez
Owen Hernandez

kali
Just use pentoo m80, more efficient and does not have fucking kde. I mean shit you are going to be using the terminal for 90% of the time so why you would need a full DE is beyond me.

Jaxson Baker
Jaxson Baker

is that a rare farage

Noah Davis
Noah Davis

Planar Conquest is kind of fun, but also broken in character creation. Negative traits and Positive traits aren't exclusive even when they should be (Pious and Apostate can both be taken, and taking both gives you a net gain on resources, with 0 loss in character points). And then if you take ascetic, which would normally seem bad, but also take alchemy, you get a net gain in character points whilst basically completely neutralizing the penalty from ascetic.

Bentley Cruz
Bentley Cruz

Actually there's a lot of interesting shit in these sketches. Wonder what all this extra content was going to be for?

Justin Collins
Justin Collins

So which of these two patches would be considered better? They're not compatible with each other are they to overlap their bug fixes/AI Fixes right?

Christopher Peterson
Christopher Peterson

Well they both fan patches fix their share of bugs from 1.31, but they also make gameplay changes that seem to be at the discretion of the author.

From a pure bugfix standpoint, 1.5 probably is the best since I believe it incorporates all of 1.4's improvements, but you might want to play a quick game with all three "in use" versions to see which one you like the best.

Robert Foster
Robert Foster

Just now I'm playing MoM via GoG because my older dosbox version has been lost. I was using summon champion, saved before the spell finished, get mystic X every time (with a shitty set of stats) – conclusion, GoG is using 1.5–

Liam Morris
Liam Morris

lol– and then I get Aerie– ok so maybe GoG isn't using 1.5 afterall–

Cooper Taylor
Cooper Taylor

Vast MoM thread with in depth game discussion.
Am I dreaming? When did Holla Forums's taste get so good?

Ayden Wright
Ayden Wright

So, I have an android phone and have tried to use it for gaming, but the lack of actual buttons (no, not going to be using a controller like an autist) makes emulating games pointless (haptic feedback is useless, and input delays/lack of buttons makes platforming etc impossible).

Are there touch screen, android ports of games like MoM or Alpha Centauri? I would kill for those.

Isaac James
Isaac James

As far as Master of Magic is concerned, there's Planar Conquest for the android. There's no spiritual successor to Alpha Centauri though. We're still on the PC classic with kyrub's fanpatch.

Connor Ramirez
Connor Ramirez

Are the fan patches bug fixes or AI improvements?

I dig the bug fixes, but don't really want to be turned inside out with Skynet level AI…

Logan Roberts
Logan Roberts

If you want bugfixes in Alpha Centauri there's the scient patch (and pracx for a resolution hack which also fixes some graphics fuckups). Kyrub's patch is a straight AI improvement patch working on top of scient's patch, in case you felt Alpha Centauri was too easy / AI was too exploitable. Classic only and the AI becomes much more clever. (Kyrub is also the guy who made the Insecticide patch for Master of Magic, btw.)

For Alien Crossfire there's a more extensive bugfix in the form of yitzi's patch, but I think he did a touch of rebalancing too.

Jaxon Kelly
Jaxon Kelly

Either more champions or preset Wizards, I guess.

Connor Rodriguez
Connor Rodriguez

Finished my first game of MoM in years just now. I have started a few games but it's been years since I finished one. Thanks Holla Forums for keeping me company.

Dylan Young
Dylan Young

No problem.

Wow'd it go?

Grayson Scott
Grayson Scott

Resistance does fuck-all against Cracks Call.

tbh I can't remember but it seems to me that it was never an issue in my flightless games, I often don't invest in sorcery, though I do try to buy trinkets with wraith form or flight on them…
That's probably why you weren't having issues.

Nathan Sullivan
Nathan Sullivan

I played a troll, nature wizard starting with alchemy and myraan. Ended up with a couple extra nature and a book or two of sorcery and chaos. Overall my strategy is quite lazy as I just get two stacks of troll warlords until I can get 6 champions with regeneration rings. I essentially run every combat on auto.. I know that is lazy but yeah.

cracks call just doesn't seem to do shit, even if you cast it on some level1 dudes with lame magic resist not much chance of success imho. The game I just played I never lost a unit or hero to cracks call.

Nolan Garcia
Nolan Garcia

The game I just played I never lost a unit or hero to cracks call.
Cracks Call has only one in four chance of working in the first place. Therefore it's totally possible to have a game with zero losses to it.

Aaron Morris
Aaron Morris

Is there a patch that fixes bugs but keeps the AI largely the same? i dont want to play against Skynet level AI but want to be playing on Impossible…

Isaiah Russell
Isaiah Russell

Why would you want to play against retarded AI? For example it was much easier to start on a different landmass than other wizards, because AI was really inept with handling sea transports. Sometimes it created whole stacks of nothing but ships and never broke them into smaller ones that would be actually useful for ferrying land units. At the same time, it had huge armies that were bottled up on its initial island. Again, why would you prefer to keep the game behaving the same way forever?

Kayden Ward
Kayden Ward

*inept at

Isaac Cooper
Isaac Cooper

Cracks Call is a retarded little spell with a flat 25% chance of working (doesn't care about resist). If it works though, it's an insta-kill unless your creature has flight or is incorporeal (wraith form).

I want to play on Impossible difficulty
but against retarded AI
Dude, how about you just play on a lower difficulty instead?

Michael Diaz
Michael Diaz

it's pretty good

Grayson Reyes
Grayson Reyes

I didn't explain myself very well.

Minor AI tweaks are fine to prevent clearly bugged behaviour, but playing against a computer that has a resource advantage ON TOP of a massive AI upgrade is fucking ridiculous.

If the AI is good enough, then remove any resource buffs.

Tyler Miller
Tyler Miller

So play on a lower difficulty?

Adam Mitchell
Adam Mitchell

That's why there is a new difficulty level called Extreme. The same AI as on Impossible, half the physical advantages.

Liam Foster
Liam Foster

In visage only, or do they share more characteristics than that?

Robert Garcia
Robert Garcia

And it lasted for 12 days till now. Heh.

Jaxon Torres
Jaxon Torres

Never tried playing it. How does it stand compared to Age of Wonders 2: Shadow Magic or the total conversion mod of Civ4 called Fall from Heaven 2?

Kayden Sullivan
Kayden Sullivan

The last two sketches look like a part of the scene showing banishing/defeat of an opponent wizard. One of portraits in the first pic looks like Tauron in the diplomacy gem.

Lucas Parker
Lucas Parker

playing against a computer that has a resource advantage ON TOP of a massive AI upgrade is fucking ridiculous
The thing is "massive AI upgrade" in this case isn't from normal to superhuman, it's from potato to normal.

Christopher Young
Christopher Young

One new feature is slightly unfair. Only the human player is penalized for violating Wizard Pacts with scouting units that wander to pact pal territory. AI-against-AI pacts ignore that problem now.

Hunter Morales
Hunter Morales

Don't know much about Warlock but IIRC it uses a 1 unit per tile setup like Civilization V, but not as shit.

Michael Robinson
Michael Robinson

Normal for AIs, at least. Its idea of waging war is still often just producing/summoning units and rallypointing them to one of your bases, and in-combat targeting is also sometimes retarded. It does handle water maps quite well compared to its baseline.
I'm not shittalking the AI too much here though, Hard without real cheese builds keeps me rather busy in the first place, mostly because I play too defensive.

Asher Bailey
Asher Bailey

Yeah, I meant normal for strategy AI, which still tends to mean quite exploitable.
I have yet to be impressed by AI in a 4x, maybe someone here has a recommendation.

Hunter Gonzalez
Hunter Gonzalez

Funnily enough Trolls are a great race to turn undead with Black Channels thanks to their regeneration.

Thomas Ortiz
Thomas Ortiz

Death is the school i have the least knowledge in as i usually play the white-knight and summon "the Chosen" if i get lucky enough to get that spell. What does black channels do?

Brayden Richardson
Brayden Richardson

Open your mouth:
masterofmagic.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Channels

Gabriel Barnes
Gabriel Barnes

Look at the bottom of this screen when the game is starting. It will tell you which version it is.

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