Got talking to this neckbeard today. He was going on and fucking on about how "confirmative assent" laws violate due process because the accused aren't allowed to enter "evidence" and how they're apparently "automatically" found guilty and jailed. Pointed out Brock Turner but he said "he was innocent." Was going on how girls "shouldn't get drunk or get into those situtations in the first place" when I brought up date rape. He went on and on about how freshman rape courses don't make sense because we "don't have classes on not stealing." Pointed out that stealing isn't the same because there's a perceived problem that a lot of male students don't see rape as a problem (case in point). He said "most rapes are commited by women."
My girlfriend was raped and didn't report it because her Greek system sorority sisters told her "not to cause drama" when she was in college.
Took all of my restraint to not flip on him. I used to be against gulags but every day I become more and more enraged by the existence of these people.
Those consent laws aren't really targeted at rapists. They're targeted at beta dudes whom feminist sluts regret having sex with.
There is a level on which many feminists actually desire to be raped, it is this conflict that arises from this which sparks the obsession and the hunt for scapegoats.
Noah Martin
It was Holla Forums tier and it was on Holla Forums
Joseph Sanchez
I know it sounds alien and that you're going to need an enormous amount of empathy to understand it, but I can tell you from theory and experience that it's true.
Isaiah Rodriguez
>>>/reddit/
Ian Cox
Why do you try? People (outside of an intellectual context) don't change their minds on issues like this from conversations like yours.
With regards to 'confirmative assent', the idea that criminalization changes behavior on any major scale is a myth. A founding myth of the liberal state sure, but nonetheless a myth.
It always amuses me how reactionary opinions need to be based on mind-reading akin to freudian psychoanalysis, rather than anything tangible.
Luke Howard
no thanks, I have sci-hub. Fuck off.
Daniel Fisher
top kek
Julian Gonzalez
"Affirmative consent" is pure ideology and utter bullshit. /r/ing the zizek webm.
that said, the guy does sound like a dumb neckbeard.
that said, you're an oversensitive cunt.
Jaxon Hall
/thread
Ryder Martin
It's not really mindreading when girls admit that they have been raped, desire to be raped, feel disgusted by both and at the same time lash out guys that have nothing to do with this.
Just put your ideology on hold for a moment and think of the "Holla Forums are actually cucks because they talk about cucking all the time" meme. Then realize that the only difference between that logic and the logic that I used is that you consider feminists to be on your team.
Conflict arising from a contradiction between desire and ideology resulting in projection isn't pop-psychology anymore than general relativity being pop physics.
Easton Ramirez
It's not psychoanalysis, psychoanalysis takes weeks and intracate thought. It's just user projecting and deluding himself into thinking his blogspot tier beliefs have anything to do with science.
PROTIP: You get the data and then arrive at your conclusion, not the other way around.
Asher Rogers
No thanks, I have sci-hub. Fuck off.
Hudson Hall
Individuals admit this. Not groups of people. For generalizations you need 1. Stronger evidence 2. Actual generalizable evidence, like statistics.
No, god what the fuck are you saying. The difference is that we don't fucking base policy or world view on a meme. Also, feminists aren't on my """team""". I just happen to think that they're a whole lot less retarded than the people making fun of them.
Christian Gomez
do you actually support this bullshit?
Ayden Garcia
Tell that to half this website.
Daniel Edwards
Do you think people seriously think "lol Holla Forums are cucks because they say cucks all the time"?? Do you not realize this is just a shitty attempt at making fun of Holla Forumstards in a way that might provoke some self-awareness? (Like you're lacking like now?)
We don't think that you're cucks, because we don't think calling anybody a 'cuck' bears any meaning. We call you, and think you are, fucking reactionaries.
Having deep emotional conversations might seem like rocket science to you but I don't really see it that way.
You're so deep in Science! faggotry by seeing this as matter of statistics that you fell right through it's bottom.
Justin Thompson
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Colton Thomas
feels > reals
Elijah Williams
"Neckbeard" is a classist slur, normie.
Easton Sanders
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Kayden Wilson
Nice backpedaling BTW
Isaiah Anderson
Lol
Josiah Allen
Where did I generalize about the critics? I only generalized about Holla Forums.
It's not about science, it's about simple fucking argumentation.
Adam Rogers
Oops, didn't mean to imply that Holla Forums are not critical of mainstream feminism.
John Gomez
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Aaron Campbell
I think you missed the point of what user was saying.
Nicholas Watson
I've seen no evidence that the reality of the feminist psyche matches their claims regarding their intentions. I have however, observed the contrary and have gained predictive power through my observations that allowed me see what was really going on with a feminist that was causing drama in my social circle. She's doing a lot better now. This gives me no rational reason to believe feminists on their word regarding their rape obsession.
You're free to provide me with the statistics that prove your position though, and the pie charts and even the mathematical proof.
Jonathan Davis
Yeah, sorry. They actually aren't.
Parker Hernandez
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Jonathan Lewis
No thanks, I have sci-hub. Fuck off.
Matthew Wilson
Then don't give me "that's not science!" non-arguments.
It's not science. It's not voodoo. It's not theology. It's not knitting.
Daniel Rodriguez
Individuality is a stupid meme anyway. Not even mad/10
Jaxson Davis
I think he's being ridiculous, but that's a pretty uncharitable reading of his comment. I think the user you're responding to means to say that "affirmative consent" laws gives individuals (and in user's opinion women especially) the ability to have sex with people in a way where they do not give explicit consent, only implicit consent (That would be sufficient evidence in most western countries currently), and then get the person criminally charged. Which definitely is a danger of affirmative consent laws, that decreases the legal security of sexually active citizens.
The words coming out of their mouth don't count for evidence?
Your position is now back from super-intellectual psychoanalysis emotional judgment into social science again? Can you fucking decide on what it is? Nobody here has taken any position do provide evidence for either, were just making fun of you.
I didn't use the word science, you did. I just told you that to be convincing in your claim you need fucking evidence of some kind. I'll even retract that. Just any fucking argumentation would be nice.
Parker Bell
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Joshua Nelson
Which is literally the single use of affirmative consent laws, as we all know.
Colton Hughes
That comic is cancer. There are legitimate reasons to despise neckbeards. It's more than just physical characteristics that define a neckbeard.
Nothing pisses me off more than a right wing, socially stunted neckbeard who transparently hates women just because they can't get laid.
Camden Long
that is what your comment implies, yes
Aaron Sanders
You hate them for being socially stunted or "autistic". If they conformed to neurotypical social norms an physical standards, you wouldn't hate them.
Kayden Flores
I'm not that guy but no? How the fuck do you read that out of it?
Alexander Foster
That comics gets it wrong though.
You don't have to literally look like a neckbeard to be a neckbeard.
Chase Nelson
Milo is a neckbeard
Henry Scott
Yes I would.
Luis Bailey
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Hudson Thomas
I've posted no documented evidence because video taping the conversations I've had with rape obsessed feminists and posting them here would be a really shitty thing to do.
Not in the literal sense.
Here for dummies, explained by a person you have sympathy for to ease the cognitive dissonance.
Alt-rightists will say terrible things about women and will employ ad hominems all the time, but as soon as you make fun of their smelly, sexless base they get TRIGGERED beyond repair.
Michael Bennett
W E W you people are really no different
Julian Bell
I'm not conflating appearance with behavior at all.
With neckbeards a large reason they've never been laid is that they're disgusting people with retrograde views on women. Loads of ugly fucks get laid all of the time. Being a neckbeard is a matter of behavior and values.
Also, is this you?
Jayden Wright
Milo is not alt-right. You have a point there though, they do mirror the feminists they most despise. Both are based in conflict between ideology and sexuality, and the resulting victim narrative.
Robert Peterson
Being smelly isn't to do with appearance. Neither is being sexless, mostly.
Christopher Phillips
Milo explicitly identifies as an alt-righter doesn't he? He's written articles on how they're "young and intelligent." Pretty ironic considering Milo seems like a fucking idiot who failed to get a degree twice despite his bourgeois upbringing affording him every advantage.
Julian White
He has a point with his neckbeard-SJW alliance, both stand for the triumph of the pathetic.
Chase Stewart
Yes, and your problem with them is their failure to conform to neurotypical behavior and social norms.
Bentley Reyes
No, it's their woman hateric world outlook based on their anger at rejection by women (even though the rejection was because they were shit fucking humans nobody wanted to be around See: Elliot Rodger) and also their racist "orcs v. humans"-tier outlook on politics in general.
Ethan Lopez
Oh also I fucking hate people who base their politics on fucking video games.
i.e Gamergaters
Jackson Gray
Milo has made it clear that he doesn't really believe in anything, except perhaps south-park libertarianism pure ideology. To him it's a device for "rebellion", for (blunt) edge, it's essentially leftist-romanticism taken further up the spectacle, the notion that being rebellious has value in itself, that's it's a complete worldview even.
John Young
So he's basically an edge lord?
kek when reactionaries think they're rebellious just by spouting nonsense that pisses people off.
Leo Russell
if appearance didn't matter to you, then you wouldn't keep mentioning it and using the word "neckbeard", retard.
Asher Johnson
No one wanted to be around them because they failed at confrming to neurotypical social norms and physical standards. You really think people like this are rejected for their political views?
Jace Bennett
I don't have an anime girl smug enough
Henry Sanchez
When did I say anything reactionary?
Oliver Murphy
So hating Elliot Rodgers isn't justified ?
Kevin Jones
His fame is the living proof that you leftists have won so greatly, that what passes as a leading right-wing figure is now walking away with your triumph.
Milo's essential argument is that leftists have gotten stale, paternalistic, conservative even, that they're not leftist enough and that he has therefor taken it upon himself to carry their banner.
The only basis for his views are that saying now most people think explicit racism is bad. So he just spouts madly racist shit to get a reaction.
That isn't the "left" going stale, that's just certain "right" views being, in this Zeitgeist, retrograde and discarded.
Christian Martinez
I brought up Elliot Rodger as an example of an individual who deserved not getting any attention from women.
The "everybody is a special snowflake so you can't criticize" is liberal bullshit akin to "well that's just like your opinion, man"
Colton Richardson
Also Neoliberalism is the dominant trend of the day. We live in a right wing world.
Milo supports the status quo entirely. His views align pretty well with the old rich fuckheads he'd share a gulag with if papa joe came back.
Nathaniel Brown
You can criticize someone based on their values, but you are basing your criticism on a person's mental ability to successfully socially interact which is ableist.
Tyler Robinson
Starting to realize you've been baiting me, famalam
Levi Diaz
when you talk to your waifu pillow and the normalfags give you that look and you see the patriachy in their eyes
His entire argument is that leftists have lost their edge and are now a bunch of boring conservatives who can't handle his fabulously offensive ass. That's all there is too it, that leftism has grown of it's youthful conception of coolness. His alleged conservatism is only a device to gain this sense of antithetical coolness.
Elliot was incapable of having the most basic conversation with women. He's the typical autist who bangs his head against the wall all day and speaks in grunts, he only had the added misfortune of half-realizing it.
Wyatt Martinez
You implying ableism doesn't exist or is a bullshit issue?
Blake Lopez
Being a chode isn't much of a disability.
Brayden Turner
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Leo Martinez
This whole college rape hysteria is based on a single flawed survey that had a ridiculously conflated definition of what supposedly constitutes rape.
Christian Barnes
That's how it is these days. Some ideologue pays some think tank to make a bogus "study" which is then published by the MSM for the express purpose of pushing whatever the narrative of the week is, and then that disinfo is lapped up unquestionably by the masses.
Jayden Martinez
There's that buzzword again
Dominic Campbell
OP, do you realize that supporting measures based on bogus statistics, supporting false accusers and the abolishment of due process actually ends up hurting real rape victims? Because it's weakens the legitimacy of the claims and the whole process? Please think about it.
Liam Stewart
Just because something is used as a buzzword doesn't mean it can't be used properly.
