EMP Catastrophe - Thread

Have a bump, I missed the old happening threads and i'v seen on some of the lower quality news websites saying "conspiracy theorist predict ww3 on May 13" doubt it

who here getting comfy at the thought that an EMP could destroy all of the jews plans.

More war mongering bullshit from the Jewish press.
What more is there to say?
Any country with missiles and an atomic bomb can launch an "EMP attack."
If you want to worry about anyone, worry about the Israelis who could conduct such an attack and attempt to frame the Norks as responsible.

this.

I think it's clear that North Korea is just a stage filled with props and characters to be used in whatever plot line the warring parties create. Pic related is a launch facility of theirs, I don't buy it.

How would that be part of their Jewish plan? They would lose control of their propaganda, financial and political power. Israel would be turned to ash if America couldn't defend them and and Europe would correct itself once CIA is unable to meddle in everyone's politics. China would implode from the lack of imports and exports.

the best OS for missile systems. I stand assured that this system is completely secure from Stuxnet-like meddling from enemy states

Exactly, to best shape outcomes it helps to control both sides. Assuming the Norks are really as independent as is made out (which isn't certain at all) then the Kikes do the "controlling" by creating a cast of fictional characters and events, based upon reality.
Once they have set up their media narrative then they can present NK as whatever threat they wish, as it suits them, to justify whatever actions it is they have planned.
It looks like the Hollywood set of a James Bond movie villain's control room, one guy is even looking at a picture of the Earth, kek.
Your mind is supposed to fill in the blanks, "omg, he is looking at the whole world, they have control over the whole world, omg, do something leaders."

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How do you figure that?
Loss of American defense would give them the perfect excuse to deploy some of the hundreds of nuclear weapons they have in their arsenal.
Also what makes you think that EMP would affect the military? All military electronics are hardened against EMP, even the newer civilian datacenters are hardened and would be unscathed by a high altitude detonation.

I for one welcome our national socialist overlord

Some predict Israel has around 1100 Nukes, although most predictions are around. 480

I was JUST going to say this, did they model this room after Goldeneye?

archive.fo/pzwUk

Reminds me of "Diamonds are Forever" in terms of the plot, but Blofeld had a laser mounted on his satellite rather than nukes.

you can just make your own out of copper coil and plastic explosive

wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosively_pumped_flux_compression_generator

Current flows from negative to positive though.

Most of Israel's nukes are F16 carried bombs. They aren't all kept assembled and ready to launch at one time. The only nukes that could touch anywhere outside the Middle East are the 50 or so in their submarines. Their nukes are mostly defensive against Middle Eastern countries because of their experience with the Yom Kippur War. The Samson option is overblown and quite frankly worth enduring to turn Israel into nuclear glass. The major cities can be rebuilt without subhumans and without the architectural monstrosities of the last 70 years.

All electronics that are faraday caged will survive, such as computers with metal cases, and most breakers/fuses will be tripped. Nothing cataclysmic, maybe a few unprotected transformers will burn up, tops.

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Doesn't change the point, Israel would potentially benefit from "loss of American defense" as they could claim necessity in the use of their nuclear weapons against neighbours. But the American military would not be knocked out by an EMP anyway so that's a moot point.
As far as their nuclear stockpile, they have the capability to wipe out the Western nations to such a degree that there would be no coming back. Israel has ICBMs.

Literally not how anything works. Holy fuck.

Just a few years ago when KJI was still around they were taking pictures of their technology centers with tube monitors and walkmens. How did it go from that, to this so quickly?

This is an issue about as old as 1880 (search "Edison effect"). Prior to this point, current was supposed to flow from positive to negative. This is partially because clouds held a positive charge and the ground was negative, lightning was assumed to fall from the sky rather than rise from the ground.

Edison essentially invented the world's first diode and through this, learned current actually flowed the opposite direction. From there we had a few options:
Option 3 was the generally accepted one as it required the least effort. After the discovery of the electron not much later, it was basically ordained that "current flow" was the opposite direction of "electron flow" in order to update as little shit as possible. Some textbooks did update to flip the current flow to match electron flow but many still keep it as it was. In fact, some textbook distributors literally have two versions of the same book floating around with the only difference being which way current flows.

Those are much, MUCH, weaker than nuclear EMP's.

ITT:
people underestimating an enemy proven to be compromised by major players the same players that occupied them then gave them freedom during the Korean War

WE MUST ASSUME THAT THIS ENEMY HAS OUR CAPIBILITIES AS WE SELL OUR CAPIBILITIES TO FRANCE, SAUDI, GERMANY, (((ISRAEL))), JESUS ARE THERE OTHER COUNTRIES WE SELL ARMS TO? OF COURSE FAGGOT, IT'S OUR NATIONAL BUSINESS

The US has always been one of the major pushers of arms sales - what better way to push a sale of newly acquired EMP-resistant weapons than to show the whole world that we armed / allowed a hostile state to test an EMP.

No one has any national allegiances to anything other than capital - capital is our God. We worship the god of digits - this god just allows us to feel better about ourselves if we have six zeros worth of influence. This god does no care about anything other than perpetual growth - which cannot happen in a system with finite resources - and greed.

Though, at this point, we all know who our masters are. We know the means of control - we fight at every turn, we know they know - arguably, they are afraid of us. However, they will only fear us when we quit squabbling over nationalistic ideals, goyim military tech, and quit using their monetary system.

It's baby steps but it starts with not underestimating the Norks.

Tfw no way to make sure only shitskins and cucks die

Any modern electronics textbook will use electron flow as it's required to understand how semiconductors actually work.
Same with physics and chemistry. The only people who still generally talk of flow from positive to negative are electricians who don't know any better.

Also how long does an EMP last?
Is it permanent? Is everything affected permanently fried? Or will shit turn back on eventually?

I dont want to drop a grand into a new PC if we're about to get slapped by the electromagnetic Jew

An EMP can't touch anything that's in a Faraday cage, in a similar way to how lightning can't touch anything in a Faraday cage. The electromagnetic radiation produced by the EMP destroys electronicas by inducing a current that is far above what the components are rated for which causes them to burn up, trip fuses, etc. A Faraday cage completely insulates whatever is inside of it from EM radiation, since the current is induced in the cage and then dissipated. You can, for example, wrap a phone in aluminum foil to completely render it immune to EMP effects.

Electronics? Maybe.
Electrical engineering? Fuck no. "Conventional flow" is still the overwhelming standard. Electron flow is introduced almost solely to explain semiconductors.

Export versions of aircraft, tanks, missiles, radar and just about any warfare tech you can think of are "nerfed" so that they don't present the threat you imply.
For example when France sold Exocet to the Argentinians, they included a remote disable function, which Thatcher forced Pres. Mitterand to hand over under threat of nuking Buenos Aires.
archive.fo/lcUNJ

That's what I meant by electricians. You are still taught electron flow in electrical engineering though.

Of course. I didn't say you weren't. In fact, I even alluded to this when I said "it was basically ordained that 'current flow' was the opposite direction of 'electron flow.'"

Pretty much everyone who touches electricity is aught electron flow is negative to positive. They refer to current flowing the opposite direction, not because they "don't know any better," but because that it literally the standard by which electrical drawings are generally made.

Man you're stupid.

Wrapping your phone in foil will not protect it against EMP.

Not really arguing except for the last bit. I can assure you that most domestic electricians really do not know any better and will argue until blue in the face about this. Maybe the newer generation is more thoroughly educated.

As an example, take a look at the orientation of this diode.

No clue if that's true tbh.

Aluminum foil is a conductor, it absolutely will.

jesus christ

Yeah fair enough.

I wouldn't bet on it, especially considering that aluminium doesn't shield against magnetic fields.

It's photons or charge itself that flows. The electrons usually just get carried along for the ride.

The best is electron holes in pn diodes. Topest keks.

As long as you have a connection to ground or an insulating layer between the foil and device, the device will be safe.

bullshit. Here's an experiment for you:
Take any magnet you have lying around and wrap it in foil with a piece of the foil hanging off. Hold that hanging piece to one of the screws on your light switch or outlet, these are generally tied to earth ground (if you want to be sure, shove that piece into the ground plug of an outlet). Then take a piece of ferrous metal and see if it sticks to the magnet. It will.

Do the same thing except between the magnet and the foil, add a layer of paper. It will stick.

That's not true though.
Thickness and material are crucial factors and aluminium is pretty much the worst metal in terms of shielding, closely followed by copper.
Look up skin depth and frequency. The lower the frequency, the thicker the material needed to effectively shield against the EMP.
What's the frequency of a nuclear EMP?

I think people are assuming that because foil blocks a microwave signal in the Gigahertz, that it will block an EMP in the (? who knows?) which could have a frequency tens of thousands of times lower and need a shield thousands of times thicker.

Seeing as ecac is an idiot, but his heart is in the right place, what steps could or possibly should be taken to avoid total catastrophic EMP-based destruction of technology?

Nuclear EMP's are usually double exponential. It doesn't really make much sense to assign it a frequency. The frequency is effectively 0.

Well you need a shield several times the skin depth for the expected frequency. The closer to the pulse you are, the more multiples of skin depth you will need for protection.
Here from Wikipedia:

How does that integrate with the info above?
Is that the actual waveform or is simply the intensity of the aforementioned MHz pulse?
If it's really an arbitrarily low frequency then the shielding will need to be really robust.

That's the waveform. It's effectively DC.

You can see just how poor a choice Al is on this chart.
Steel alloys are at least 10 times more effective but obviously a lot harder to work with.

Static fields don't induce current, your point is irrelevant. We're talking about nuclear EMPs with frequencies in the microwave spectrum and above, extremely high energy radiation. Aluminum is more than sufficient for shielding at these frequencies.

Nuclear EMP is nowhere near microwave frequency.

I think it has definite frequency band according to height.
Here's a seemingly reputable page about it.
archive.fo/pp5Iz

Apparently the range is 15-250mhz, which is still sufficiently high to make aluminum an effective shielding material.

How can you just make the blanket statement "aluminium is effective"?
It is only effective if it is thick enough.
The frequency varies with the height, I've seen it quoted as low as 1khz.
ids.nic.in/jces/art-3.htm
Taking aluminium as the shield and designing to cover 1KHz, you end up with a skin depth of 5mm; effective shielding requires several skin depths,

Just to add, obviously it's better to use foil than nothing, you might be far enough away that it makes the difference, but don't assume your shit is protected with just aluminium foil because it probably isn't.
Better would be to fabricate a steel box to store spares.

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lost

It's not static, it's a pulse.

Is Holla Forums for mainstream war propaganda now? North Korea is not going to EMP the US for fuck's sake..

I would. Wiping out either the east or west coast would do wonders for our nation.

you all realize… EMP means tay is gone forever?

not if we protect certain electronics with the static protector cage thing you can make to stop EMP force

Kim won't because
Won't happen until a year into Trump's term at the very earliest

Lrn2rd nigger, he was obviously referring to the magnetic field as static, thus rendering the proposed experiment, supposedly demonstrating the uselessness of the shielding, invalid

Depends how many they have to use and their tactics.
e.g. It would take a few (3+) to totally knock out the USA

Yes some of it is shilling. They've also realized that shielding is absolutely critical for weapon systems that rely on digital electronics.

It would be the overture of that kind of Happening.

Aluminium foil doesn't even rate when talking EMPs. If they are serious and competent there'd be at least 3-5 EMPs at different altitudes. Everything not in a properly insulated and grounded steel box will be fried period

Stay a while and lurk.

North Korea doesnt need ICBMs to succeed. They are experts at disguising ships and changing cargo in the middle of the ocean. They could float a nuclear weapon onto a fishing boat and set it off in Honolulu or LA.

Who are you referring to as "enemy"? Kim isn't an enemy. The only enemy we have is the Jew.

FUCKING DO IT KIM YOU HORRIBLE LITTLE MANLET DO IT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Good thing I have innawoods capabilities
and a gun

If Kim Jong Un was to nuke California and wipe LA off the map, do you think he would get a Noble Peace Prize?

WEST TEXAS BEST TEXAS

There should be a chan peace prize man

North Korea doesn't have the technical aptitude to make an EMP weapon, let alone get one into orbit without anyone noticing.

here we go
an EM pulse doesn't just fry everything it touches; those shit-waves have to come in contact with something that can interact with the electrons or photons or fucktrons or whatever EM stuff is made out of
So What?
there's lots of shit that does that right now 24/7. Antennas, water, shit made of many types of metal, non-metal shit that can carry an electric current [spoiler]human skin or THE SKELETON INSIDE THAT WANTS OUT[spoiler]
The issue with EMP occurs when stuff starts to collect more electric charge than it was designed to handle. That mostly happens through the Pulse inducing/stacking incredible amounts of current on conductive surfaces, liek wires. Funnily enough, most electronic devices that contain conductive surfaces are usually designed [spoiler]at least in 'Merrica[spoiler] to handle higher currents than they normally use in their day to day operation (Thanks FCC and UL).
Your faggy iphones and shitty handheld radio transcievers will be fine. More cars/trucks will work than one would normally expect.
Big issue is powerlines and the stuff that monitors and fiddles with the electricity it carries. Those trashcan-looking things hanging on the poles? Most of those are going to give Mike Pence a hard on. They can make high-voltage switching stations with the ability to handle that shit, but they are more expensive, so most places don't have them.

lol failed spoilers

Will my sega Saturn survive?

TLDR
if its plugged directly into the wall, or somehow on the local power grid, its gonna have a bad time.

surge protectors might help, but might not. IDK

Embarrassing/pol/.

This is the plot to the Electric Synagogue game Homefront.

if it does happen, people's/retards' stories about it will be hilarious
"Dat daggone ee um pee blew up my uncle's phone right while he was fappin"
"The EMP Pulse made my espresso machine shoot my soy half caf mocachino across the room and blinded my left eye and put these cut marks on my wrists!"
"I watched as the that 747 gracefully fell from the sky onto those spics outside Home Depot"
"I hear that any unborn babies that were around when the EMP went off can shoot electrcity from their fingers!"

You're doing it wrong.

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true

If they were to profit they'd curt ties with US yesterday, you're talking out of your ass.

The fact of the matter is Pissrael wouldn't hold out even vs nuke'less Middle East. They'd get swarmed.

In that case,he's still retarded because current flow isn't the only way a magnetic field can fuck your electronics. And even so the collapse of the magnetic field WILL induce a current. He's wrong in pretty much every sense he can be wrong.

nukes ARE EMP weapons.

It is a magnetic field first and an inducer of current second. Anything that uses magnetism to store data will be wiped clean (lol, bye bye hard drive) regardless of whether current is induced. That is to be taken into account before any other effects are considered.

As far as induced current goes, you can't just assume the chassis ground on any such device will act sufficiently as a Faraday cage at the energy levels we're talking about. Cars will generally be better off than you phone to be sure, those can be struck by lightning without harming the driver (though the electronics will be fucked in such an event). I don't doubt a lot of cars will survive an EMP, but cell phones would almost certainly be fucked.

Of course.

True but not all EMP weapons are nukes.

It's an electromagnetic field not a magnetic field.

It depends on the era it is from. Many modern cars make extensive use of fiberglass/polymer body panels and what exterior metal they have is usually too thin to be of any real protection. The modern car is not a safe bet unless you need to salvage motors (electric or mechanical) and batteries.

To be honest, the US electrical grid is in such a state of disrepair that you don't even need a nuclear warhead to collapse it. A coordinated attack using only a few thousand people could do the same as an EMP attack.

Its not just the US either, most developed countries electrical grids are just as susceptible to being completely fucked over in an instant.

the more "3rd world" a country is the better its population can manage in such a scenario. thats why wars in the 3rd world lat so long, while wars in developed countries end in days.
not to mention russia rellying on its backward equipment and advanced electronic weapons to make their own grand startegy

So their plan is to fire EMP first before launching nuke? This sounds like starcraft strategy vs protoss.

And that's irrelevant if you read what I responded to.
There is absolutely no functional difference between a magnet and an electromagnet other than that one can be changed/turned off. You would see literally no differences in the experiment I outlined above if you used an electromagnet vs a permanent magnet.
Absolutely true. Anything less than a bunker is not a safe bet.

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kek, still butthurt one day later.

EE here. Just fucking shield your phone in a metal. Something like lead. A few inches will be fine.

Metals resist E&M waves based on their frequency, normal ones (Ghz range, cellphone and shit) dont make it past 1mm of aluminium. Its called "skin depth" and is subject to exponential decay.

Wanna protect your hard drives? A hard metal safe will do. Also glue a metal wire onto a cold water pipe and onto the save. This will stop any static electricity from shocking you when you try to open it. Maybe put some dielectric material on the hdd before it contacts the safe.

In terms of "our electric infulstructure", we'd be more fucked if a few of those power stations get bombed by a team of commandos. Impossible to trace, out in the open and easily destroyed with thermite or whatever.

That would be one hell of an iPhone case.

Btw this guys a fucking idiot. Ask me any questions and I can answer them correctly.

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I can do the equations later…I have an exam soon. Probably less than 1 inch. It has to do with these equations. Skin depth is 1/alpha

And you only need about 5 skin depths.

W = 2pi*10^(19) btw