Remember when Holla Forums said that Ingrid Carlqvist was a shill for the Jews? She now openly NAMES the Jew!
This really is an amazing development. Ingrid Carlqvist, one of the few Swedish journalists who isn't afraid to talk about Sweden's immigration problems, has recently come under fire by the Swedish (((media))) for naming the Jew during a talk she held a few months ago. Some kike-loving civic nationalist who attended her talk decided to rat her out and publicly accuse her of anti-Semitism on his blog, which was then spread out into the media.
In her talk, she mentions (((David Schwarz))), the man who started a debate in the media about immigration and advocated for Sweden to open up its borders to 3rd world immigration, in which he eventually succeeded.
She explains in the video that she was in absolute shock when she saw the Barbara Spectre video, and eventually found out that the Paideia institute (which was headed by Barbara Spectre for about ten years) had been given the equivalent of 4 million dollars by the Swedish government, after they threatened to have the Jewish World Congress publicly accuse Sweden of anti-Semitism because of some dispute about "Nazi gold" they accused the Swedish Central Bank of having in its possession.
She also mentions that although rabbis, Jewish leaders, etc. are generally strongly in favour of open borders and multiculturalism, she did meet a few Jews who said they were afraid of being harassed by Muslim immigrants. When she asked them if she could interview them, they'd often tell her they'd need permission from their rabbi/leader of a Jewish organisation to do so, which is quite telling.
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Christopher Russell
She also seems to be aware of Kevin MacDonald's theory about the Jewish evolutionary survival strategy: siding with other minorities to undermine the (white, Christian) majority.
Wyatt Collins
I remember watching this woman years ago trying to warn people about the impending Swedish disaster. Never thought she'd go full redpill. Good to see there are Swedes left that can actually connect the dots.
Christopher King
In the video she says that although she's gotten plenty of support, she has also received some pushback from cuckservatives who are fine with criticisms of Muslims, but have an aneurysm the moment someone starts talking about the Jews. Sound familiar?
Hudson Ortiz
We redpilled her. Bet it was With Open Gates.
Christian Clark
This is how it goes in the entire west. Jews offer kosher nationalism so people can vent their anger on muslims while at the same time injecting as much muh poor jews into it as possible. As if it's mandatory to defend Israel when you complain about muslims.
Isaac Thompson
Hope she goes back n Stefan's show and forces him to talk about jewery.
Bentley Green
I remember this woman from a few years ago talking against feminism and muslims. She knew what's going on, but now she knows who's behind it
Ryan Gutierrez
It's always great to see people gradually become more redpilled and eventually come to understand the JQ.
It's no wonder the Jews have tried to desperately to get the Barbara Spectre removed from Youtube. It was a video that really wasn't meant to be seen by the gentile European public.
Brandon Wright
Good video
In other good news - Black Pigeon Speak just named the Jew. Baby steps, but in the right direction. Listen in at 14:39.
Jaxon Martin
Into the trash it goes.
John Scott
So the organized Rebel Media/Red Ice shills are putting out videos in a coordinated way, where they "name the Jew" in order to appear less Kosher? New kosher right tactic, big deal.
Jason Robinson
That's what I was thinking about, a lot of people recently named the jew, that doesn't change the fact they're civic nationalists.
Gabriel Reed
No wonder people make fewer and fewer threads on this board. It's because shills like you are quick to come out to spam cuck porn the moment someone posts good content.
Luke Garcia
What's important is their reach. A lot of normies watch these videos and naming the jew will set them on the right path.
Landon Mitchell
Sure but the flipside is always eceleb worship and it always ends bad.
Parker Phillips
Bro Nathaniel has been getting musical recently
Kayden Roberts
nicetry shill
Julian Rodriguez
Obviously, but people will e-celeb worship anyway, just post the relevant clips, tell people not to and hope for the best
Benjamin Rogers
I support "ecelebs" if they effectively redpill millions.
Evalion redpilled millions and still is. You mad shlomo?
Ethan Williams
Daily reminder that "e-celeb" was invented by Holla Forums degenerates to try and D&C Holla Forums.
Jace Hall
MUH BASED ANTI ZIONIST JEWS!!!
Christian Nguyen
I've noticed this as well. Even if shills name the Jew its still good because the more whites who are redpilled on the JQ the less whites who will be destroyed by their degeneracy.
That is why we pusch forward the others only play catchup to our ideals , even the shills.
Matthew Williams
It's still true, you're not supposed to assume someone always tells the truth
Sebastian Rodriguez
Well yes. You sound surprised. Maintaining strict social cohesion and obedience of own ethnic ringleaders through mutual threat of execution has always been how kikes roll.
Aiden Foster
Red Ice have "named the Jew" in the past at least their guests. It's a shill tactic to isolate Holla Forums. It's also an attempt to d/c the white nationalist movement through baseless rumors and accusations. They are one of the few red pilled media companies out there. No need to write them off nor suck their dick.
Evan Smith
This, just be objective about it.
Samuel Thomas
Don't fall for it, just filter and ignore.
Jacob Lewis
I'm 90% sure that BPS is one of us. I've seen memes get posted here then end up in his videos literally a few days after.
He kind of hints at the jews in his last video, but doesn't name them explicitly.
Brody Walker
Kill yourself, kike.
Gabriel Richardson
Also there's certain risks with e-celebs; you use them to softly push normies but should they make fools of themselves they become easy targets to push normies away.
Logan Brown
Do you think Stanley Kubrick and Bobby Fishcer were scum because they had Jewish blood? The Jews who recognize the cancer of their own kind are incredibly valuable.
Cooper Long
There are no good jews. But there can be useful ones.
Tyler Watson
Nice argument there.
The word e-celeb is older than Holla Forums.
I know but I can't stop hating some of these attention whores, they're all "former" enlightened centrists who act like they have the answers to everything because they recently started spewing semi right stuff. Everything further right than me is LARPing, everything less right than me is cucking, I am the best and attacking me is puching to the right, this is my problem with them, they don't seem to care about the truth, just pushing a narrative that suits them for their e-shekels. It's helpful to a certain extent but the result is usually like that recent debacle with the 3% who thought they were in good company when they saw some of us doing the fight and then started acting like they had the moral high ground because we call niggers, niggers, and kikes, kikes. This talk by William Pierce explains my position.
Brandon Miller
What do you think of this video made by an "eceleb"?
Is it a good redpill?
Anthony Stewart
It's just following the new (((alt-right))) format to misdirect.
Ingrid Carlqvist along with her jewish media partner Lars Hedegaard have protected and lied for jews since they came into being, now the alt-right has shown they are willing to name the jew to some degree as long as you still vote for their zionist kosher candidate, for the jew, it's all good. Let the gullible let of some steam about jews, but continue voting for counter-jihad kosher nationalism instead.
Nothing has changed except this affected minor alteration to her standard jewish shielding MO to move into alt-kike territory.
This shit is just like the
Have a listen to Ingrid Carlqvist and Lars Hegegaard getting their jewish shielding called out on this Deanna Spingola radio show back in 2013, where they both pretend they've never heard of jews doinhg anything wrong ever, they claim the muslims own the media and banks etc. http:// grizzom.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/spingola-speaks-20130513.html
People here have got to stop falling for the manipulated collective amnesia and suddenly backing all the long time jewish frauds because they start mentioning 'globalists' or 'Soros' now and again. It's the same counter-jihad zionist program to misdirect and steer the goy to their aims, never our own.
Easton Lopez
I already watched it and I liked it, but my real problem with it was that Evalion was massively shilled here by the whole Coontown crew. Other than that, I didn't mind it.
Carter Rogers
At least Bro Nate calls out the jew accurately and points out their infiltration and subversion of the movement, which is more than any fraud alt-kikeiste has ever done.
Still he can't be completely trusted because he is a biological jew, yet he's more trustworthy than the (((alt-right))) kosher zionist promoting frauds.
Video, BroNate telling more truth than any single alt-right fake nationalist a year ago.
Christian Nelson
Evalion wasn't shilled here. She was suppressed and heavily D&C'd by shills because her redpilling was too effective/viral.
She was targeted as a massive threat.
On the basis you are not a shill - the problem isn't with "ecelebs" but your own large ego.
Who cares if an "eceleb" makes money or gains popularity? As long as it enlightens normies on the JQ it shouldn't matter.
Any media that shows redpills to normies should be promoted regardless of the content creator.
Matthew Nelson
She recently got herself a communist boyfriend. Evalion is now espousing being a Bolshevik nationalist. For reference, just look at her current twitter feed promoting Communist nationalism.
She films herself frigging off and shoving dildos up her arse, and she's still being pushed here?
Angel Diaz
He has repeatedly invited guests who name the jew and agreed with them. Then promoted the show to millions on kiketube. You don't need to have a swastika tattooed to your forehead to spread the word.
Xavier Nelson
Yes, she was absolutely shilled here and it turned twice into a three day shitstorm. I also have no problem with them making money.
Angel Smith
His an exceptional Jew, another Bobby Fischer.
Zachary Gonzalez
What about this one too?
Logan Peterson
wew, so she's just mentally ill, huh?
Nathan Sullivan
Did you get redpilled on the JQ overnight? For many people, it's a hard pill to swallow.
No such videos of her exist.
Angel Morales
Only after being brainwashed by a certain organization of "ex white nationalists"
Leo Walker
it's called shilling
Isaiah Hernandez
Christian whateverino ? I forgot his full name sorry.
Carson Gutierrez
did she get brainwashed by that fat fuck?
Ethan Reed
She's a fucking professional liar, like everyone else associated with the alt-right and the fraud cartoon nazis of DailyStormer and TRS.
They have only ever lied to their readers/listeners, for years, and now we should trust them?
Xavier Gutierrez
Believe so.
Hail to the almighty one, all but he are shills! We shall do nothing forever in his name!
David Allen
Maybe it's just me, but it seems like there's a coordinated shilling campaign going on on this board to get everyone to distrust every and all YouTubers, journalists, etc. Holla Forums likes.
Evan Evans
You don't need to fully trust someone to have them as an ally. Use them for all they're worth
Oliver Murphy
there is
Austin Foster
Lurk more.
Asher Rogers
BPS is a kike, go watch his travel channel.
Lucas Allen
2 years ago anyone pushing these jewish frauds would have been gassed in an instant.
So you;re trying to say that those warning others against trusting lying jews and kosher frauds infiltrating the movement are the real "shills" and not to be trusted. So the only one's we should trust are those promoting lying jews?
Oh fucking dear!
Robert Price
Sounds like you'd gas 95% of the European population if it were up to you.
Jonathan Brooks
People here need to stop defending certain persons and start defending the work they do. This way, when they veer off course, you won't have so much trouble recognizing their faults. Ofcourse there are people who have been exposing the jew since forever and they should be lauded for that, but this doesn't mean everything they say and do is correct.
Lincoln Martinez
Only the jews, then the traitors from the marxist left and as we see the equally harmful kosher zionist right
Caleb White
You don't have to trust her, what matters is her content. She openly names the Jew, which is something only 5-10% of the ethnic Swedish population dares to do.
Jack Fisher
Honestly, have you ever heard all of her content for the last decade? Absolutely 100% jew shielding, not ill informed, but purposefully shifting blame away from jews.
Xavier Turner
Openly naming the Jew can get you thrown in jail in some European countries, remember?
Jacob Martin
Why tell me to only judge people from their content alone, and then you refuse to recognise her content is and always was 100% shielding of the jew to shift the blame elsewhere.
Ever heard of a place called TRS that insults and mocks jews, being run by B'nai B'rith tier jews designed to trick goys into supporting kosher nmationalism?
Hunter Smith
wrong ID replied to in my last post>>9876681
You're the guy pretending Evalion never filmed herself frigging off with dildos up her arse.
I have no intention of communicating with you any further
Jaxson Gomez
This just shows how much red pilling we still have to do. I mean you have a journalist who's supposed to know a little bit of what's going on in the world and she's completely oblivious. "I thought they were swedes that just pray to another god…". Kikes are a nation within a nation and have loyalty only to themselves.
THE "INTEGRATED JEW" IS A MEME LIKE THE "MODERATE MUSLIM"
Henry Collins
Well, I hope she is safe. Car accident when?
Blake Peterson
You mention TRS as an example of 'good content', but it's not because they support muh based nationalist jews and fags. Their content is utter shit. They see laughing with jews as a funny meme just like cuckchan.
Wyatt Bell
No I mention TRS as a sign of jewish subversion and infiltration designed to destroy any chance of real nationalism. I made that point clearly
Alexander Lewis
Fuck off you fucking TRS/alt-right supporter. We don't need your jew shit here.
Colton Phillips
Reported for Red Ice shilling. Enjoy your ban jew.
Gavin Davis
Please tell me which YouTubers I'm allowed to watch. I need to know so I can be part of the Holla Forums hivemind.
Nathan Smith
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Justin Rivera
Make your own decisions.
Elijah Peterson
Dumbass. Thanks to people like you, the number of threads made per day on Holla Forums has fallen from 50 to 20 in recent weeks.
Jaxson Edwards
There is no Holla Forums hivemind you dumb nigger. Only post here if you want your beliefs challenged.
Anthony Long
It's because the journalists live in a Jewish lead echo-chamber that reverberates a thousand times with the same kosher talking points.
8ch and other areas which are redpilled about the JQ are banished to the backwaters of the internet where only the outcasts and people who are truly off the rails venture.
Nolan Torres
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Brody Murphy
This video exemplifies how fucked right-wing politics is.
At the top of all these movements, Jews remain.
Alexander Gutierrez
That's why we shouldn't spent too much time here. We need to go where the normie is and spread the word. First thing is to mention the jew whenever we can simply to desensitize the normie. Too many people still cringe when you name the kike.
Jonathan Clark
Gib me your gold goyim!! Forgot the 6 million?
Ayden Murphy
I remember seeing some description about a movie where a woman was oy veying about how the nadsis took her paintings That they proabably took from someone else
Wyatt Long
This looks good, thanks user.
Aaron Morgan
Sweden should send them an invoice for every kike they harbored during the war.
Carter Flores
i bet he's a Holla Forums regular
Blake Rogers
Should really be the attitude for most things.
Daniel Flores
Make no mistake, we are not special, we're not the only ones that can see. Their message comes from the top down just like the orders to keep the borders open. They are the propaganda service and they know exactly what they're doing. The conspiracy is immense and where most tax dollars go.
Hudson Hernandez
Kike Spectre makes a cameo in Varg's rpg
Asher Richardson
Always liked this woman, hope she had kids. Openly calls out Swedish cucks
Adrian Williams
If you name the jew you are not kosher tard
Tyler Reed
LOL THE FUCK
Owen Bennett
go back to reddit, you stupid fuck.
Grayson Bennett
Take note of the redpill:
Asher Foster
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Jayden Harris
With Open Gates (and to a lesser extent, the 5 minute video preceding it) is the best propaganda to come out of Holla Forums. Imagine what Gex could do with footage from the last year.
Julian Jackson
Gex was banned from cripple chan by mods because he was an e-celeb. Based mods Based site etc
Carter Ward
Both sides were shilled here. Jew always plays both sides to create infighting and less focus on them. It's a classic tactic of theirs and so pathetic Holla Forums fell for it.
is right. She was going viral and becoming a huge threat. I first realized the mods here were compromised with the handling of that situation, with kamphy likely being the jew dog spammer, never banning the spammers yet banning anons defending the position of using her as a tool, and getting rid of the cyclical thread they made, which was also allowed to be spammed to oblivion.
As for her behavior now, I'm not surprised if she's gone insane. She was already a bit loopy, and being a teenage girl and getting that kind of international coverage and disdain probably pushed her over the edge.
Noah Harris
Even within the framework of the jewish narrative, that is audacious. The Nazis supposedly gassed your kin, and you have the audacity to complain about art theft?
How do the jews even tolerate themselves?
Kayden Nguyen
There most definitely has been one for a long time. Ther are lots of jew wise sites and channels out there, but none have the organizing capacity of a board like this, which is incredibly dangerous to them. This is also why they have subverted Holla Forums to mostly being about MSM news fear porn, so you feel it's impossible to do anything about the JWO, and to keep you contained here. An unsubverted chan has huge potential.
Tyler Peterson
Get out!
Andrew Gomez
I was relaying the jewish narrative you halfwit. In the jewish narrative, National Socialists are "nazis".
Austin Wright
We never refer to ourselves as 'nazi's. It's a demonizing term, you don't belong here.
Ian Bennett
Yes we do Schlomo. And so did Hitler. Gas yourself.
Aaron Lopez
You’re an autistic faggot and are completely wrong. Fuck off to ebaumsworld.
Tyler Brooks
Do you not understand the concept of relaying a narrative?
Would you be sperging out less if I had been more blunt and written >Da ebil natzees supposedly gassed your kin, and you have the audacity to complain about art theft? Is that better for you? Are you so dense that you didn't understand my meaning without me beating you over the head with it?
Jonathan Morales
The Jew shrieks as he is found out and quickly changes IP to shill contradictions.
Jaxon Miller
Well he's not wrong in that I don't refer to myself as a "Nazi" I exclusively use National Socialist. But he is wrong in that he's a dense barely literate cunt.
Brayden Mitchell
IF you'd make fun of their wordplay, you'd say 'nadsis' or some shit to make fun of their word. Not the literal term. Also Nationalists, natsoc, national socialists is all fine.
Jews have the inherent need to subconsiously demonize and use the word 'nazi' because that is how they refer to us to their fellow forskin munchers.
Jason Thompson
So yes, you're such a dense motherfucker that you need to be hit over the head with things.
Brandon Gray
He's not wrong, he's lying. Because he is trying to push the kike narrative that nazi is a bad word.
Gabriel Cox
kill yourself kike.
Aaron White
Red ice names the jew on a daily basis and is NOT civic nationalist. This is such blatant fucking shilling I really don't get why the fucking mods are not doing anything.
Liam Martin
Where did I call redice civic nationalist ?
Landon Jenkins
I don't like the word Nazi, I use National Socialist, except when I am explaining something within the framework of the jewish narrative.
Jose Stewart
Are you a motherfucking idiot? Did you just wake up from a fucking coma from 2014? The mods ARE SHILLS, you stupid bastard.
Carter Gomez
I don't give two shits what you like or what you call yourself. I'm talking to the kike who claims nazis don't call themselves nazis.
"Seyß geht zu zögernd dagegen an. Das alte Lied. Er is kein echter Nazi!" - Goebbels
Wyatt Gomez
thats the only ones that i actually trust, they post here for now
Joseph Butler
Cultured-Thug puts out some great videos. Doom Guard is all right as well.
Cameron Robinson
That's the same way the kikes scammed Switzerland into paying them billions some years ago.
Liam Bennett
Red ice supporting "based" nationalist kikes is what started the night of the long dildos with TRS
Julian Sanchez
I can second Cultured Thug. He really has very little subs and views but i like his stuff.
Jack Morales
She's been a regular on Stefan's podcast too. If she can name the jew what's wrong with you Dicky?
Cooper Rodriguez
he actually defended jews.
Elijah Rodriguez
E-celebs can be great allies. Members of Holla Forums can watch their content and recommend it to friends. Holla Forums as a board can NEVER be seen to be 100% behind any of these people as then it gives us a 'leader' which can be used by our enemies as a target, or can even co-opt members by having them value the words of the leader more than the hivemind. Even if Hitler himself came back we would not give our full support to him because it would make us vulnerable, corruptible, controllable. Look at the disaster that has happened with a few of these Trump-loving imbeciles who are still talking about 1488d chess; now I'm not saying we should all abandon Trump and hate him, I'm just saying that if we let someone become our public face - we can be controlled or manipulated by them.
Holla Forumss strength lies in the fact that it is an anonymous hive-mind.
Thomas Foster
Quality post.
Aaron Torres
Evalion is a good way to pull them over (because of the "muh dik" factor), but not good at all as the only source. She doesn't care about NatSoc as much as she has an ebil dicktater fetish. Any single one of them, left or right, she likes.
Jack Anderson
No she wasn't. Anybody who isn't incredibly socially maladjusted would be put off by her instantly. She has the "daddy raped me" voice which anybody but an autist understands to be a massive red flag.
Nicholas Sanchez
requesting sticky.
This is good ammo and great redpill material by a REAL Swedish Journalist bfto kikes.
Put this is in the archives, don't let this get lost anons.
Thomas Kelly
Great video, have a bump
Julian Scott
Great find user.
Aiden Gutierrez
That's a Gregor Strasser quote, dummy. Check your sources.
Nolan Bennett
He shilled for civic nationalism in one of his videos, that's not good.
Oliver Price
I'd like to see that, because I've watched about 15 of his videos in the past two weeks, and he is always emphasizing the racial and spiritual element of a truly progressive nation-state.
Christopher Nelson
Too many fake Hitler quotes going around these days including that "My spirit will come back from the grave" one.
Nathaniel Sanders
He's obviously a shill, but Red Ice called for an alliance with BASED nationalist jews, like Nadav Salomon, the "Reactionary Jew". After that, they should never be trusted.
Jack Moore
I feel like I should be surprised by this but I'm not. The Jews are filth.
Matthew Gonzalez
Video that red pilled the lady.
Bentley Cooper
They just had him on for a podcast tbh, I don't know why you guys always change contexts.
Cameron Barnes
Good.
However, we're talking about a coal-burner who was married to a Marrocan and his heavily involved with the civic-nationalist-movement in Sweden, which is completely infested with jews and jew-lovers.
However, it's good that they are starting to show their colours aswell. It's only going to turn on them.
Julian Richardson
You sure about that?
Carter Turner
Oh.
Aaron Ramirez
why is israel a square in these comics
Luke Clark
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Zachary Turner
Because muh black cube of saturn. Kill kikes with fucking mallets.
Landon Adams
fucked a 23 year old milf last year who had a nicer pussy than this bitch
Luke Long
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Evan Jones
And they went on to defend the interview and the idea of forming an alliance with BASED nationalist jews.
Joseph Bailey
3 more years until wizardry lads.
Colton Edwards
This guy gets it. A truly anonymous content creator would take what we discuss here and make it easier to digest for the normalfags (adding in cool graphics, sounds, music, etc) without removing any crucial information (such as removing the part where the kikes are behind everything). An eceleb can do this, but once they become more of a personality than a content creator things will get rocky. That's why I like this new Holla Forums news network guy. Phenomenal quality work but I know nothing about him.
Chase Parker
She flat out questioned the historicity of the Holocaust™ while Henrik played clips of Zisblatt and the "real in my mind" kike She also laid the destruction of Sweden pretty squarely on the hunched shoulders of the Jews
Caleb Gray
Proof that Angela Merkel is Jewish?
Luke Gray
This calls for a Volvopost.
Henry Sanchez
The evidence of jewish malevolence is absolutely everywhere. It is all over the internet. All over social media of all forms. How the fuck have normies not connected the dots yet?
The kikes can't get away with their treachery forever. The amount of evil and suffering they have caused throughout history with their scheming and DC is like nothing the world has ever seen.
Fortunately the key to rise against the eternal Jew is simple: Exposure. Awareness. We all know this. Where many falter though, is when they're faced with the relentless Jewish attacks and exploits on the human need for social interaction and sense of belonging. Those new to the JQ need to be encouraged to wear buzzwords (racist, misogynist, anti-semite etc.) thrown their way by kikes and leftists in the same manner one would wear a bulletproof vest. Their attempts at social ostracization should be disregarded with the same apathy you'd brush away an annoying fly.
In short, if you, or someone you know, is feeling the heat of being a bad goy, remind them that they are on the same side as reality - the same side as truth - and that they should wear any labels plastered upon them by a depraved, corrupted society like badges of fucking honor.
Jacob Richardson
wow user, Wonder how Evalion tits were bigger back then they are now in during the time of that recording when she was younger. This shit is like Boxy showing her tits or people believing the Le pen picture going around of her with the nigger in the car, the more i see these retarded allegations and "evidence" of misconducted from are supposed political allies the more resistant iv become to subversive kike shit.
As long as you have gullible and paranoid Holla Forums fags asking if "that's real?" then there isn't much else that needs to be done.
Jayden Ross
Do you happen to know where to find the full video for this interview? I can't find it on YT or LiveLeak.
Jacob Gomez
They do see it, everywhere, they just need people to point it out for them. Believe me, when I was first waking up as a young lad in my teens at the turn of the millennium and was asking those questions my first major question was identifying a jew.
White people really take this idea of "we're all the same" too literally to the point the common white person can't even recognize a jew anymore. This is in
Josiah Collins
That's not a fake quote, it's from his last letter to Churchill you fucking retard.
Leo Cruz
that's the first part wew lad
Cooper Howard
But good.
Jeremiah Evans
Look for a torrent, Anthony Cumia keeps it all behind a paywall. I wish I would have seen this post earlier, I literally just deleted the folder of old McCuck shows I downloaded to clear up some space.
Ayden Garcia
It's an unverified one given by second hand evidence (hearsay). There's more than enough doubts about it including from Irving.