Is final fantasy still relevent?

Owen Sullivan
Owen Sullivan

Is the series still as popular now as it was ten years ago? Has the fanbase changed in any significant way sense then?

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Carson Fisher
Carson Fisher

I would say the fan base for the game has shrunk significantly.
It seems like a lot of people don't care for it anymore.
With that being said, I've been playing FF9 for the first time and it's pretty good.

Levi Bennett
Levi Bennett

the decade of XIII pretty much put it on ice if not killed it entirely, and I don't think it's ever going to be like the old days where new, huge numbered titles in the series came out in quick succession

Christian Adams
Christian Adams

I think the trainwreck that XV is going to be might kill the console franchise entirely. Square will turn around and focus on mobile gaming and CG movies.

Leo Kelly
Leo Kelly

Last true fanbase FF was FF9.

Once Kingdom Hearts and FFX became popular in the US, the fanbase changed drastically, especially because Anime suddenly became more popular too and a lot of fanbases mixed together.

Dylan Price
Dylan Price

FF12 was sort of a backlash against neo-FF games and fanbase as well.

James Smith
James Smith

The Final Fantasy name still holds an incredible amount of weight. The problem is not even Square Enix seems to know what it represents anymore. They obviously need to take blame for things like XIII and XV barely resembling a FF game, but I think a lot of the blame goes to these stupid fucks who claim turn based gameplay is old and boring. People have been complaining about it for awhile now and SE seems to think they're just giving people what they want. (We can thank them for never getting another real Final Fantasy Tactics too, since that's obviously way to slow and difficult for everyone's button mashing ADD JRPG needs.)

Easton Roberts
Easton Roberts

This. Between the 14 disaster and the shitshow that was the 13 trilogy, the series is in a bad place right now. If 15 doesn't do *AMAZINGLY* well, we can pretty much consider the series dead.

Oliver Carter
Oliver Carter

If 15 doesn't do *AMAZINGLY* well, we can pretty much consider the series dead.

It's dead Jim.

Ayden Flores
Ayden Flores

You guys seem to forget how many chances big videogame franchises get. Just look at things like Tomb Raider and Resident Evil. They were turning out even bigger trash for awhile yet they're some of peoples most anticipated games.

Thomas Diaz
Thomas Diaz

Please elaborate.

Gavin King
Gavin King

Nah, it's toast. A whole generation of kids grew up not knowing final fantasy during the decade of lightning. TES is the new FF.

Mason Jenkins
Mason Jenkins

Why did they even waste so much time and effort on that trilogy? 13 I could see as a failed experiment and an honest mistake, but they followed it up with two sequels that absolutely no one wanted. They had to know those games were going to fail. It's almost like someone at the company was deliberately trying kill the series.

Aiden Gonzalez
Aiden Gonzalez

Once you have all the assets it's way cheaper to work with that than make a completely new game. I think I read there was tons of unused assets after just making the first one too. As much as most people hate them they really didn't sell bad either.

Levi Butler
Levi Butler

I think the last good Final Fantasy were X and XII. They were alright.

I think after a second playthrough IX and Tactics might be favorite.

Lincoln Green
Lincoln Green

They're pretty much dead.
But if they announce FFXVI, Medieval style, going back to the origins, without some retarded class system, with an actually explorable world, quests, etc (MAKE IT AN RPG AGAIN, NOT A PLAYABLE MOVIE), they might return it again.

Remembering that Vid related was a Gold Mine that was thrown into the garbage, and could have represented truly Final Fantasy's "Reborn"

Aaron Foster
Aaron Foster

Any reliable links for the sales numbers?

Joseph Mitchell
Joseph Mitchell

Dissidia gets a non-handheld sequel/reboot with 3v3 multiplayer and playable Ramza

The actual gameplay has been dumbed way the fuck down, only one HP attack per character, no EX mode, ect

why can we never have nice things

Charles Reed
Charles Reed

my brother loved FF and that shit killed it for him, so he jumped ship to SMT and never looked back.

Cameron Price
Cameron Price

Lightning was Nomura's waifu tulpa. Almost like the plot of a FF game, he harnessed the power of a massive corporation to try to bring his creation to life so he could finally be happy and despite everything crumbling around him and misery spreading across the land he kept pushing harder until everything was ruined.

James Ward
James Ward

Most normalfags I know are dismissing FFXV as boyband weebshit. Only oldfags and weeaboos care about the franchise at this point.

Nolan Lee
Nolan Lee

Actually, I think shit went downhill after VII.
FFVII stepped up VI's technological integration and changed the series forever.
After it, every game tried to be just a different version of VII - many succeeded - but eventually the series was derailed from what it represented, with only "edgyness" fuelling it, ignoring every other thing that made the other games great.

Josiah Foster
Josiah Foster

This. People don't realize how huge that is.

It's the reason we call them "metroidvanias" and not "metroids".

Bentley Morris
Bentley Morris

square enix
enix
relevant
there is your problem

Brody Morgan
Brody Morgan

X had the best battle system.

Isaiah Smith
Isaiah Smith

I dont know about you but I do love FFXIV, its like WoW but way better which is something that I have wanted for a while.

the popularity of the series has greatly diminished and nobody but XIII is to blame for that. the quality of the actual games mind you I cant say for certain seeing as I haven't played type-0 or teh XIII sequels but I do know that FFXIV:heavensward is absolutely amazing, one of the better games I have played in a long ass time.

Julian Cooper
Julian Cooper

as popular
No, do the wrong thing once and forever tainted.
Fake fans, parasites now. Fanbase has been tainted by betrayal and sees the treason in the next game. No longer drawing something uncontrolable, making something from fantasy but trying to ascociate asians with them. Become scum. Trying to take credit, copyright etc. A publisher. For money, not all in.

Lucas Wood
Lucas Wood

The only time there's actual sales numbers for the west is if the company gives them out themselves, but if you search "[game name] media create sales" you can find most things for Japan. Here's the last one for you as an example.
gematsu.com/2013/11/media-create-sales-111813-112413

Levi Hernandez
Levi Hernandez

14 is great. I treated it like a regular FF that just happened to be online. Had a ton of fun. Went through the story and does the dungeons and trials (I think the fights are fantastic, challenging and clever).

Why does japan catalogue and/or report that data so much more than america?

Adrian Walker
Adrian Walker

That helps a bit, I'm just against using sites like VGchartz and the like.

The biggest shame about the declining popularity is that it won't silence the crowd that legitimately things kefka is the most well written character in fiction.

Parker Hughes
Parker Hughes

The west
Fuck off gook.

If anyone does anything for sales instead of for the thing they don't deserve to be doing it.

Colton Flores
Colton Flores

How long have you been playing XIV? I had similar feelings until about 2 patches into Heavensward.

Shit is as deep as a puddle.

Joseph Wilson
Joseph Wilson

FFXII was an anomaly when it comes to modern FF because from what I remember, it wasn't initially supposed to be a mainline Final Fantasy game but just got so big that the higher-ups turned it into a mainline game – kind of like what they did with FFXV.

Grayson Allen
Grayson Allen

9 was shit.

XII aside from the ending and a section lacking detail was amazing. Some doorsbhad stretched textures which didn't blend in with the pixelated look.

It was wonderful an that was the standard, innovated level up, combat system, and controls like past games did. Everything technical was better than before such as graphics an sound.

Animu filth made noise to fit in and receive attention. They have never likes anything truly and after giving into bad things maybe that is good on their part, suchbparasitic things are carried with them making wonder impossible. Attoning for their treason needs to come first otherwise they are seeking to have greatness attributed to their opposite of it.

Showing them how it's done may help. Force them into acting within the situation not drawing from an image, get them to do and discover themselves.

Michael Hall
Michael Hall

Backlash may not have been the correct word because that implies that they were actively giving the middle finger to the turn Final Fantasy had begun to take.
It's more like it was a retreat and reversal from the FFX and KH style of games, both design wise and mechanic wise. The world was more open and less linear. It leaned toward SRPG rather than ARPG. Everyone's outfits weren't comprised entirely out of belts, and so on and so forth.

Ethan Howard
Ethan Howard

9 was shit
XII was amazing.
You have to go back.

Jose Watson
Jose Watson

That's how FF games in the past worked. They kept them going, going on a journey with the characters as they did so. The story made itself, they just did their best for it to have what it is. Free of anything unwonderous.

It seems FFXII was Vagrant Story 2. Instead of doing things as Basch, they went with going along for the ride with Vaan. By themselves all there us fine, with ascocciations it might not be. Would be a great game for kids.

A more adult story and perspective might have been against the look of such a world. In it learning how it is rather than making it what it should be goong to the worst. XII sailed on the surface of things with other characters handling the rest. That or it's all good, Vaan or Balthiers perspective, make it good presenting it so, don't give into aiding it's flaws by accnowledging them as so. Deny their existance as anything but perfect.

Angel White
Angel White

You're upon my things. They are not you, nor should they be unless treasured as themselves.

Jaxon Campbell
Jaxon Campbell

Nothing much, just sitting around watching Love Hina and playing Tales of Zestiria and stuff. What are you up to today?

Why does japan catalogue and/or report that data so much more than america?
Well, apparently the way stores buy games from the publishers works quite a bit different and puts them more at risk, so maybe that's why it's available. It's just a guess though.

VGchartz is known to be completely inaccurate guesswork, while even Nintendo acknowledges Media Create's numbers.

Levi Stewart
Levi Stewart

Games can change their style, but still be fun. The problem was that 13' wasn't fun at all.

ARR revitalized 14, and it's a decent MMO. It doesn't help that ESO and GW2 are meh, Wildstar is more or less dead, and WoW is shooting itself in the foot with or without Metzen.

9 had a lot of story problems that were never explained fully (Ratley, Lani being a waste of time, Necron), and a really stupid card game. Rest of it was okay.

I would love a single-player FF based on XI.

Owen Lewis
Owen Lewis

XIV was a colossal trainwreck when it first launched. XIII's assets were recycled for two sequels to minimize costs and keep revenue flowing while they remade XIV from scratch. It wasn't just the blunder of Toriyama, it was multiple mistakes that compounded one another and forced S-E into that situation.

The brand still has marketing power, which is why they keep using it. The actual game series it used to represent is long dead. Square-Enix has no in-house talent left.

Sebastian Long
Sebastian Long

It's not a proxy coward.

In pushing nothingness you don't push it away from you.

Dominic Rivera
Dominic Rivera

I don't thing it matters who they have, it matters how much they try.

Jacob Scott
Jacob Scott

You can drop the babbys first buddhisim metaphors any time now dipshit.

Eli Cook
Eli Cook

No. VII broke JRPGs and FF has been shit ever since.

Yes, even IX.

Colton Smith
Colton Smith

Yeah, It's a shame that GameGear didn't have more JRPGs. Now that you can emulate 16bit systems on just about anything it kills the purpose of a lot of it's titles. I could recommend Shining Force though if you're interested. You might like that.

Games can change their style, but still be fun. The problem was that 13' wasn't fun at all.
I like it when people try new stuff, but games that change the whole gameplay type to something so unproven like XV should just stay as spinoffs or start another subseries. Final Fantasy is such a long running, established series that it just seems crazy to practically change the genre of it like that. Don't you at least feel bad for that guy with one arm who could never play Tales games and now he can't play Final Fantasy either?

Carter Hernandez
Carter Hernandez

between the 14 disaster and the shitshow that was the 13 trilogy
mfw 14 is actually making SE a profit to the point expansion 2 is coming out soon

The WoWfags that jumped ship seem to be going to 14, it not abandoning MMOs entirely.

May god have mercy on the 14 players.

Cooper Jackson
Cooper Jackson

I would love a single-player FF based on XI.

This will probably happen once XI stops making them money, whenever that is.

Sebastian Rodriguez
Sebastian Rodriguez

We need a snes throwback like the new Dragon Quest XI, not something like theatrhythm or final fantasy explorers or dissidia. The name does has selling power still but they are too focused on reliving the glory days through all these spin offs. Oh well nothing beats the classics anyway, but they are even butchering those too with these terrible android ports. FF15 will be a failure just like 13 because attempts to "innovate" I'm not saying they shouldnt try but it they are not selling the same game that sold them so many copies and that is what the fans want

Noah Gray
Noah Gray

Ivalice seems like a great setting for an MMO. Wondering why they never really did anything with it.
Clan vs Clan for pvp. or Clan vs Giant Monster for pve
Various races and classes
Established setting

Or how about a remake of Crystal Chronicles for the Wii U? Being able to play with others online without needing a GBA+cable for every person.

Jackson Wood
Jackson Wood

FF hasn't been relevent since X

Nathaniel Price
Nathaniel Price

some retarded class system

Nigga fuck you I like mix-and-match classes like with FFV and the Tactics games

unless you meant something else in which case I've goofed

Nicholas Gray
Nicholas Gray

each of the tactics games, you could get broken powerful. And it would be kind of lame if they nerfed moves

how about a remake of Crystal Chronicles for the Wii U? Being able to play with others online without needing a GBA+cable for every person
another reason why square needs to burn. If they're going to put good ideas like that in the trash.

Camden Turner
Camden Turner

Yea, the change has to make sense; not something like XIII or XV.

Last time I played FFXIV, everyone was chill. Even when the PS3/4 guys struggled with tanking, people tried to help them; then again, I stopped right before Heavensward came out, and I didn't beat Vanilla's story yet*.

*I'm playing it again if they add XI's Orcs, Quadav, or Goblins as playable characters.

Thomas Jones
Thomas Jones

Is final fantasy still relevent?
Yes it is relevent. More then ever actuelly.
It sells like hot cekes.
Where do you think money for FF7 remeke ceme from?

Nicholas Morgan
Nicholas Morgan

Of course it isn't

Nicholas Smith
Nicholas Smith

tfw I still call them hume, mithra, galka, ect

Connor Morales
Connor Morales

I still can't pronounce half of the race names from XIV let alone most of the character names.

Alexander Peterson
Alexander Peterson

bamp

David Smith
David Smith

The best part is the fact they got the guy who turned FFXI into a playable game to fix FFXIV. There was an event in FFXI that more or less alluded to that FFXIV is the future so I will still call shit by their old name.

tfw san d'oria bagpipes are gone forever in the future

Levi Hernandez
Levi Hernandez

Stopped being relevant after 7.

Landon Bailey
Landon Bailey

Man, 11 was really top notch.

Hunter Sullivan
Hunter Sullivan

generic wowclone
top notch
What?

Levi Mitchell
Levi Mitchell

You've got to be shitting me…

Aiden Cooper
Aiden Cooper

Is final fantasy still relevant?
no

Ethan Davis
Ethan Davis

And FF14 is generic wowclone too.
All is different is visual style and setting.
All you do is spam hotkeys in certain order.
All these mmos are identical to easc other, don't even pretend they aren't.

Andrew Moore
Andrew Moore

FFXI, not FFXIV dipshit.

Andrew Campbell
Andrew Campbell

They are the same game with different graphics.

Matthew Martinez
Matthew Martinez

Ahh you are trolling. I was worried you were being serious for a moment.

Zachary Parker
Zachary Parker

when a shitpost is low enegry around you

Cooper Barnes
Cooper Barnes

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Nathaniel Scott
Nathaniel Scott

FFXI
generic wowclone
FFXI
same as FFXIV
Do you literally play ANY videogames?

Ryan Howard
Ryan Howard

take one of 3 predefined roles
keep pressing same skill keys on rotation
OCCASIONALLY move away from telegraphed attack
Wow totally, totally different from WoW!
Fucking fanboys.

Aaron Taylor
Aaron Taylor

i'm not dumb, you are!
i'm such an epic meemer!~

John Watson
John Watson

3 predefined roles
FFXI
haah waaw

Jaxon Harris
Jaxon Harris

Can't tell if you're legit retards or just blinded by some shitty nostalgia.
Or both.

Samuel Young
Samuel Young

Here is a tip: when trying to get funny replies, you have to be factually coherent, but in implications absurd. If you are factually incorrect, no one will put energy into responding.

Like calling it a WoW clone would work if it came out post-WoW, not years before WoW. You gotta put more energy into it.

Oliver Adams
Oliver Adams

Cidney will make Final Fantasy great again!

Adam Rogers
Adam Rogers

It's okay to admit you don't know anything about FFXI user.

Justin Roberts
Justin Roberts

FFXI is an overwatch clone. I said it faggots, fite me irl.

Jason Baker
Jason Baker

Oh, so it's WoW that is FF11- clone?
Ok.

Jose Cruz
Jose Cruz

At least put some research into your baiting.

Noah Diaz
Noah Diaz

Here is another tip: you NEVER quit the act. Once you are identified for trolling, you double down. Then people who were on the fence might be irate enough to start replying in earnest, and now you really got them.

This is very low energy. I am disappoint.

Parker Gutierrez
Parker Gutierrez

I'm not trolling.
Two game play literally the same, so I assume one is cloned off the more popular one.
Well it turns out FF11 came out first, what a shocker.

Ryan Reed
Ryan Reed

Two game play literally the same
Now you've wasted double dubs on such shitty bait.

Cooper Myers
Cooper Myers

There you go. You need to sell the idea you are serious. Otherwise people won't respond. Sort of how you don't respond to raving people on the street.

But you are still mitigating your own sentences. The reason people get mad and respond is because of the verbosity of the trolling. You need to phrase everything like an assertion. This will make people feel challenged.

Brandon Bennett
Brandon Bennett

Listen to this man, low energy shitposter. Also, at this point you can't double down on such shitty b8. You either need to make an argument that creates a divide in the group or use arguments that are so outlandish it would be a chore to even correct you. You really need to go back to cuckchan and sharpen your teeth there m8.

Kevin Adams
Kevin Adams

Is the series still as popular now as it was ten years ago?
No. Not even close.

Are you extremely young? I'm not saying that as an insult, genuine question, because even asking this is confusing given how big Square was even 10 years ago (which in my opinion is after their peak anyway).

Do you not remember when Final Fantasy VII basically moved mountains in the video game industry? Do you not remember the SNES era of JRPGs where Square reigned supreme to the point where Nintendo handed them their star to use?

Final Fantasy and Square used to be the biggest deal in gaming, period. These days the name isn't really worth shit aside from weeb nostalgia. Any person I've talked to about Final Fantasy XIII absolutely hates it, and anyone excited about XV I just remind about XIII and they instantly lose all hope.

SquareEnix really had a chance to capture a modern audience with XIII and they blew it so now the series isn't worth shit other than "yeah, it will probably look pretty good". Honestly I'm willing to bet Kingdom Hearts 3 will outsell Final Fantasy XV.

As for the fanbase, they were already falling apart by 10 years ago, Final Fantasy XII was a very divisive title as well because of it's MMO influenced battle system. Mix that with the lukewarm X, and the straight up MMO XII and you had a fan base already basically in shambles.

The fanbase and power of Square were at their peak in 1997 and the following years, everything since has been a slow decline regardless of quality of games simply because they lost the casual fans who would move on to more action-oriented games, and they lost their hardcore audience by trying to be original/pander to casual gamers. Here we are in 2016 and I feel Final Fantasy is on it's deathbed, which is why they're finally pulling the trigger on the FFVII remake, one last cash in before they close the coffin.

Landon Walker
Landon Walker

To be honest, if Square didn't let Toriyama ruin the game with his waifu shitposting it could have been somewhat decent.

Asher Jenkins
Asher Jenkins

The battle system was also a little shit. I mean not the worst I've seen, but not enough to draw in either the casuals or the old fans.

But visually they had some nice stuff going on and they really had a good marketing campaign that got normalfags hyped as fuck to have Grandad Final Fantasy back, the game could have really been a hit were it not for, as you said, Toriyama running wild.

Gabriel Cruz
Gabriel Cruz

The better one if you want to cause chaos is the first one, the divide.

The second one just gets people to post smug anime girls, which is nice when you want to increase your stock.

Easton Hernandez
Easton Hernandez

I've never played any of the games so I don't give a shit whether it's relevant or not. I'm glad I never got into it so I saved myself from disappointment. They could stop making games and I wouldn't give a shit.

Jackson Hughes
Jackson Hughes

The second one just gets people to post smug anime girls, which is nice when you want to increase your stock.

I would agree with you if it wasn't for the influx of newfags. The best situation is if you can b8 the newfags to the point everyone else jumps on them as well. So you get to derail the topic on top of increasing your smug stockpile!

Evan Johnson
Evan Johnson

No, she won't.

Kevin Ramirez
Kevin Ramirez

no

Oliver Richardson
Oliver Richardson

played since about the end of ARR.

I do have to admit patch 3.1 was pretty meh but 3.2 was in my eyes pretty damn cool.
3.3 is also pretty good even if its a bit sparse.

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