ITT: Games trying to cash-in on the success of others without truly understanding why people like what they're copying.
"Souls-Like" games:
What series other than Dark Souls have generated such garbage that misinterprets what makes the thing they're copying so popular to begin with?
Xavier Gonzalez
Hard Mode: No Cowabotty clones
Sebastian Evans
I wouldn't say though that the appeal comes from pvp really, it goes deeper than that. Fromsoft wanted to make a satisfying game to play, but didn't really understand how to do it. Furthermore they probably realized early in development of Demon's Souls that no matter what they did the A.I was still that an A.I., as such it was limited. They then came up with the idea of the dark wraiths who could match the player in terms of wits not just stats. The darkwraiths are what adds an element of challenge, and unpredictability to an otherwise pretty straightforward game
Brayden Lopez
I don't know about lords of the fallen, but salt and sanctuary emulates every aspect of dark souls including the ebin 2sparse4u lore and easily missed NPC questlines. It also has multiplayer and is easy as fuck with a zweihander.
Henry Harris
True, however the longevity of Souls games comes from PvP. Without it's PvP the games would have massive sales drop-off and would be even more niche than they currently are. The PvP adds a lot to the games. Probably more than most people(From Soft especially) understand.
Adrian Murphy
was thinking about this other day.
Metroidvania: What's it meant to be:
what people think metroidvania means:
Ryder Walker
Metroid clones that have little platforming sicken me. Especially the kind where's there no platforming in the fucking boss fights.
Matthew Thomas
HAHA GOD WHAT A FAGGOT
Henry Rivera
Definitely, the pvp serves a huge purpose without it the game is exceedingly dull. I have not played 3, probably never will. But the mound makers sound like so much fun
Brandon Johnson
that pisses me off too. just standing on the ground jumping over tail swipes and beams in boring. I want to be frantically rushing about dodging everything. I also want the boss to be so big you can only see a part of it at a time in most cases.
Nolan Russell
This. Dark Souls is only played by casuals who can't tell apart difficulty and bad gamedesign. The only true part is memes.
Luke Ward
Calling something like Spelunky a Roguelike just because it has permadeath and random generation is kinda like calling Vice City a Doom-clone, because it has shooting and running in it.
Joshua Rogers
:^)
Camden Green
lol
Dylan Taylor
P.T. (Silent Hills demo) clones
I am talking about games like Alison Road, Layers of Fear and Resident Evil 7.
Josiah Jones
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Mason Myers
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Robert Murphy
Thats better than pretending to be "hardcore" gamer who only plays "hardcore" games.
Isaiah Flores
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Jordan Lopez
It's really not
Hunter Ross
yeah, no its primary appeal, whats kept it going for 4 iterations (5 if you count bloodborne, 9 if you count king's field) is its unwillingness to treat the player like a child. No handholding, no obvious solutions, no objective arrows, no "fair and balanced" encounters. The game is trying to kill you and that is truly a refreshing change of pace.
Gavin Evans
The thing is, almost all games in king's field times were like that.
Its not about "no handholding".
Its just about not being modern.
Joshua Williams
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Bentley Hernandez
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Brandon Hughes
sauce pls
Nolan Campbell
I'm quoting OP
Hunter Clark
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Jeremiah Scott
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Gabriel Edwards
user don't do this to me pls.
Oliver Morgan
read as: i am afraid to run into anyone who may pose even a slight threat to my very fragile ego
Landon Cook
If you want to pvp go play a fucking fighting game, these games are only good for PvE. Every single fucking souls game has fucking garbage pvp, das2 is the the least shit just by virtue of the slightly less shit but still awful netcode.
Nolan Evans
i pirate every game and play them offline, fuck PvP
Alexander Stewart
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Thomas Watson
Legend of Grimrock
it became so successful it spawned like half a dozen indie copycats that, just like the Dark Souls copycats, just make you wish you were playing the originals for the first time.
Tyler Martinez
What is street fighter 2
James Martinez
I've seen some shit, but this is beyond shit of my understanding.
John Adams
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Luis Russell
All these pve fags in here, DaS/DeS pvp isn't even that difficult.
Isaiah Rogers
Demon's Souls is better than Dark Souls.
Brody Nguyen
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Nicholas Campbell
Really, I just wasnt sauce for the first one, I'm sure I've read it years ago but I can't for my life remember what it was.
don't leave a bro hanging
Carter Miller
PvP can be fun user, but saying that it's the focus of the series is incredibly stupid. Even more stupid than lorefags, and lorefags are fucking gay.
Michael Smith
Why do people call them Souls games? They werent even the first games to play like that, Phantasy Star and Monster Hunter did them years earlier.
Shouldnt they be called something like Huntan games or Action RPGs?
Brandon Foster
Have you actually played a souls game? They feel vastly different from monster hunter or any of it's clones. They are similiar, yes, but distinct enough to need to be called by different terms.
Brody Watson
Do you think the everage normalfag souls fan has played phantasy star or monster hunter?
Luke Williams
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Ian Lopez
And what does baatientertainment's bullshit have to do with the fact that S&S ripped off dark souls in every possible way ?
Andrew Bennett
I've been seeing a lot of dumb shit today.
Why?
It's truly summer now, isn't it?
Mason Smith
Like it or not, the pvp is a huge draw. Even more now than the pve, saying it's not is simply isn't true.
Owen Hill
The "lore" is shit, memes are cancer and the PvP is utter shit and I'd play a game with good PvP if I wanted it.
Also everything related to the story in Souls is fucking awful. It's told entirely through item descriptions that magically give you random information that you shouldn't have. Most of the story is just speculation from the cancerous fanbase at best and completely made up at worst. It's a perfect example of how not to do storytelling.
Joseph Evans
I have, Demons and Dark Souls. I ask mainly because of some similarities the franchises all have, even though DaS and DeS have differences in terms of level design and the bonfire mechanics.
Its not like the games are that old, right?
Tyler Evans
lol
PvP is not difficult AND not entertaining
Juan Lopez
For normalfag retards, that saw the onlyafro gitgud videos and jumped in the bandwagoon? Yes, of course it i, that doesn't make it less retarded user.
Again, the look and play kind of similar, but the actual combat is incredibly different.
Gavin Sanchez
What mango? Google, tineye, and saucenao give bub-kiss.
Connor Bailey
Listen guys no need to get so uppity. The pvp is one of if not the most important part. It gives it longevity, and variety. It's very challenging no, but it is fun for the most part. PvE is nice, but it is secondary after awhile for many right from the beggining. I wouldn't even play these games anymore if not for the PvP to break up the monotony of the PvE
Nathan Allen
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Jaxson King
Maybe you don't actually like these games all that much?
John Sanchez
I don't get what they were thinking with Lords of The Fallen. You literally cannot play a heavy weapon unless you exclusively use running attacks, that one shield charge move is OP as shit inspite of looking very weak and the bosses literally had at most two moves that they kept spamming.
Still I'm kind of excited for The Surge and I really hope it's good.
Brayden Phillips
That's compeltely subjective user, and I personally believe your opinion is absolutely retarded. Yes, pvp is fun, NO, pvp is nowhere near to be the main focus, or the best these games have to offer.
Oliver Davis
After seeing this webm I don't think I even got to play the game
Wyatt Edwards
He's a beautiful ballerina.
Matthew Price
Monster hunter is still releasing games, so no. Phantasy star however, thats another story. Phantasy star portable 2 came out a long time ago, but its still not that old. I want to say 2005ish.
Cameron Rogers
video editorfags you know what to do
Tyler Campbell
what's with all these fucking cancerous threads lately? oh right, it's the current season
Luke Flores
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Colton Butler
i gave it a gentlemans try and i got a gamebreaking glitch after like the third boss and dropped it
the one thing it did right was if you hit enemies with a heavy weapon they'd ragdoll and get sent flying
Julian Lee
There's not a specific game in mind, but Holla Forums blames halo for ruining the FPS genre when it weas really shit games tring to copy it poorly and not understanding why halo had the features it had that ruined the genre
Such as them adopting regen health in response to Halo even though Halo didn't actually have regen health, due to them not getting the shield/health interplay
Connor Garcia
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Hunter Diaz
I'm sorry you don't like good games, user
Luke Butler
shield regen was still cancer
Justin Baker
Every MMO made in the past 10 or so years.
Dylan Anderson
halo did a lot of things right that no one actually copied, like solid co-op campaign with lots of ways to fuck around in levels you've beaten before and actively changing the enemy layouts based on difficulty level. the two weapon limit worked in halo because it had power weapons that would effect how you played the rest of the level. taking the sniper rifle over the rocket launcher would change how you handled the level completely. in these modern games you pretty much just pick two slightly different fucking assault rifles
it also had multiple enemy types during a single sorte which a lot of modern shooters can't pull worth a damn.
Andrew Powell
Pretty much every boss. They all have three or so attacks and that's it.
The final boss had a very easy to dodge attack, and then for a bit it goes bitch boy mode and spawns cannon fodder that dies in one hit and after like 10 seconds it heals off remaining cannon fodder for shit tier HP.
You can blame denuvo for that shit. I had invisible doors I couldn't go through, lines of dialog that got cut off, a trap that didn't kill me, not being able to save and a bunch of other shit.
It just felt very amateurish for a game made by a known director.
Jack Myers
halo 1 shield regen was fucking great cuz it still used health backs. halo 2 onwards it functioned more like regular regen health
Landon Martin
Well Dark Souls bosses don't have a lot of variety too, but they don't have attacks that last for 8 fucking seconds and can be evaded by just walking backwards at a moderate speed
John Torres
There's one boss that gave me trouble and it was all because it had a one shot attack that it did whenever you took its shield down
Also in the game you can sprint and hold your shield up and you'll do a shield charge move that can break walls and stagger enemies. Thing is you can stagger shittons of enemies, including bosses if I remember right.
And breaking someone's guard was a load of fuck. A lot of enemies had great towershields that took almost all of your stamina(all two attacks of your stamina because fuck heavy weapons in that game) to break, and then half a second after the guard break they put their shield up again and it takes all of your stamina again to break it.
Jayden Gray
The entire MMO category, not even just the MMORPG genre, the whole thing:
What it actually is:
What most think it is:
It's just ridiculous. Intense shooters like Tribes and Enemy Territory have had triple digit playercounts for æons, instanced themepark grindfests with online persistence play typical to MMOs such as Guild Wars work fine without subscriptions using pay2own expansions, intermediate-sized persistent multiplayer virtual world games like Neverwinter Nights work fine on private servers. "MMOs" as commonly exist today, and the people who support them, are a perverse blight on the industry.
An entire game like that would be pretty awesome. Wasn't there a shooter from Capcom or somebody that let players take over enemies in other peoples' games? I think it sucked though, but the idea seemed cool.
Every single thing that's good about Halo (vehicles, enemy squad AI, balanced weapons, super-polished controls, etc…) is a scrap left over from its time as an open-world 3rd-person multiplayer squad shooter.
Regenerating health is always cancer outside single-fight skirmish games, except if there's some limited resource to replace health. Halo makes the trivialization of fight-to-fight health conservation even worse with its constant stream of ammo/weapons off enemies
Mason Torres
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Levi Powell
Fuck you faggot, that is the reason DS 3 ended up feeling so lacking, 70% of the fucking armor is there just for fashion, weapons too, magic is toned down so that you don't abues it on PvP, if i wanted a fucking DS game for the multiplayer part i'd get a fucking fighting game instead
Ryder Sullivan
The solstice was less than a week ago, which is as summer as it gets. Try and keep up. On topic, I've only played Dark Souls 2, and only for like an hour. The PC controls are a hot fucking mess, which is compounded by the fact that your character moves like he's trying to recover from a stroke he had recently. The single time I died was because I was standing close to an endless drop, and the game seemed to want me to press whatever button on my controller would correspond to A on an Xbox controller, which caused me to swing my weapon, scoot forward a bit, and fall off the edge. I really don't see the appeal to this game. I'd probably forget it even existed if autists everywhere didn't collectively seem to agree that it's the BEST and HARDEST game with the DEEPEST lore. I'm of the opinion that the game itself isn't hard. It just isn't piss easy like most modern games, what with their objective markers and bullshit like that. The lore could be interesting, but I can't be bothered to deal with the frustrating control scheme just for that.
Elijah Reyes
that doesn't really make those features less good just because they were taken off the cutting room floor of their original concept
Jaxson Hall
No. Dark Souls 2 is not only a bad "Souls" game, it's a definitively bad game in general.
John Peterson
Shit nigger what are you doing. Go get yourself a controller.
Austin Harris
s'cool. Falls in some areas but as a whole I enjoyed it a lot, mainly because I liked the new spear moveset and because of 60 fps. Too bad 3 isn't running well for me at all so I can't play that. Somehow it's running worse than 1.
my first completion of 1 was with a M&KB
Jace Gomez
I'm just saying that the game as a whole is a mess of disparate abortive elements, so any fun it contains is largely coincidental and unintended.
Michael Hughes
You didn't use the 60fps mod for 1? Also if you played the first game with a mouse and keyboard you should know how to play the second with one, and realize that your attack button will definitely not be the same as your interact button.
Daniel Reyes
I don't know about any Capcom examples but Perfect Dark on the N64 had it. It's an interesting concept but it makes difficulty curves wildly inconsistent.
Austin Lee
My PC would have most likely exploded with that mod. DS2 was very optimized so I assumed DS3 would have been the same but I guess From "One step forward six backwards" Software decided it was okay
I haven't played DS2 with a M&KB to be honest so I don't know what you're talking about.
James Garcia
forgot my disgrace
David Lee
Misread your first post. Issue with the controls there is that your controller isn't properly mapped to the right control. Not the fault of DaS 2
Jason Sullivan
This shit
Landon White
Why are memes considered a good thing these days? That's something I've been noticing. 2 years ago memes of any kind were considered shit. if you called it a meme the joke was already dead. Why did we regress?
Nathan Hill
People just learnt the true meaning of the word meme.
Alexander Cook
At that point I was referring to it as a series, and not just bitching about 2.
Matthew Jackson
it has the best combat and exploration and invasion mechanics in the series you're retarded
Zachary Jenkins
meant for
Owen Morales
But people say that word all the time. People apply it to everything these days. Might as well call it "idea" instead.
Ryder Russell
Other thread didn't go so well?
Nolan Hernandez
A meme is pretty much an idea.
Daniel Watson
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Asher Cook
"Meme" does not mean advice animals, it does not mean a funny picture with a caption on it, it does not mean any given in-joke. It's a squares/rectangles problem. All of those things are memes, but not all memes are those things. A meme is a cultural artifact that propogates due to people sharing it with each other and spreading from person to person. A meme frequently takes on some meaning or significance other than that which it was literally intended to have in the first place. The entire concept of language is a meme - a series of rules applied to arbitrarily-defined grunts and sounds that are tacitly agreed upon by any two or more people hoping to communicate. Every in-joke you've ever had with your friends is a meme. Idioms like "throwing the baby out with the bath water" are memes. Memes aren't intrinsically bad. Without them communication wouldn't be possible. People don't like shit memes like "dat boi" and "Damn, Daniel" not just because they're memes, but because they're SHIT memes.
Grayson Foster
All three of those are the worst in the series. b8
Blake Ortiz
I was just typing up something similar. Thanks for saving me the effort.
Joseph Collins
read as: i have never played dark souls 2 none of the other games have sconces to light that activate some secret, none of the others have a boss arena that is changed based on how thoroughly you've explored the area, none of the other games have gilligan or anything like him i can't prove to you that combat is the best because you haven't played it, but the reason you don't like being constantly invaded is because you're a giant sandy vagina
Isaac Moore
That's my problem with this whole thing. This ironic meme trend is cancer and I want it to end, but it's the entire point and everyone joins in on the cancer. You're right though.
Adrian Davis
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Brayden Baker
probably because they're true arguments, retard i don't see you refuting jack shit so keep your mouth shut unless you enjoy looking like a triggered bitch because other people like things you don't
Alexander Roberts
But aren't all memes by definition shit memes?
I mean they are used as a terrible and cringe inducing alternative to real and meaningful conversation. It's either a incredibly autistic way to convey how special an individual you are.
I think that's why when normalfags use them outside image boards it's so fucking awful. Because something that we usually see/hear in a closed, anonymous environment where it doesn't really affect us is being used in a open, fully social environment.
Just a theory
Nicholas Torres
It definitely seems like you do
Bentley King
So like I was saying, for non-memelords and non-hipsters, 2 is the best one. It's the most completed, it has the most viable builds in both PvE and PvP, it has the most fun weapons to use, power stance, objectively the best invasion mechanics, every covenant actually works and is different from the others, it has the most secrets, the best netcode, and the best environments, among many, many other strengths that retards like you are so sure is wrong because lol a meme told me so.
Ryder Morales
I'd say it's worse when people use them on image boards, because it's stinking up the place with cancer and they know it.
Sebastian Martinez
Wasn't Dark Maus some comic about mice as juden in Mousewitz?
Alexander Bailey
On the contrary, it's the least completed, it has the least viable builds in both PvE and PvP, it has the least fun weapons to use, objectively the worst invasion mechanics, every covenant is broken and redundant, it has the fewest secrets, the worst netcode, and the worst environments, among many, many other flaws that retards like you are willing to defend because you like eating shit. Your move.
Daniel Gomez
Well actually, I just play the game to have fun but i guess I'm stupid like that
Julian Fisher
Jews as rats, it's really perfect.
Noah Morgan
Looks like someone never played Dark Souls "dexonlynoheavyarmor" 3
Brody Reyes
read as: i get angry because the other kids don't want to play with me >:'(
Austin Hall
*it had the least viable builds in both PvE and PvP until Dark Souls "dexonlynoheavyarmor" 3 came out
Ryder Green
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Levi Ross
Oh, you're 100% right then.
Blake Kelly
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Juan Cruz
Mindjack, by Square Enix. That's what I was trying to think of.
Anyway, maybe if the game was designed around that happening as the intended mode of play, to account for player skill and so on, it could be polished more. I guess Left 4 Dead might be something to examine, too.
Wyatt Bennett
Someone can't beat a souls game.
Levi Young
none of you seem to know why demons souls has online at all. miyazaki himself explained it in an interview as one time he and many others were stuck going up hill in bad weather. Eventually it got to the point where people at the bottom of the hill were pushing them over the top, he wanted to thank them, but couldn't because it would ruin everything set up, but it was a chain of new people helping the next person up, with no thanks or anything.
This was the foundation of why the souls games are online at all. It wasn't about making the next leet esports faggot shit. If you don't understand it, the opposite of it is true for why there is PVP.
Ryder Murphy
It is played for the real time combat, the grinding and customisation, exploring settings.
The explanations don't exist and it is better that way.
Owen Campbell
Soulsborne is good because they have this throwback thing going on, when games just let you explore a dangerous world, collect loot, and fight big bosses, and didn't throw expository cutscenes at you for a "cinematic experience". If you're patient and smart, they're not very tough. If you rush in expecting to be invincible (like modern games) you simply die. People like the lore b/c it manages to be mysterious but still gives you most of the picture if you're willing to read a bunch of items and talk to everyone. "Story" does not necessarily equal "art". It's all about presentation. Something like The Last of Us or something might have a technically decent, competent story, but it's all thrown at you in a careless, lazy way. To use a movie comparison, it's like the difference between "Abyss" & "Avatar".
Noah Jenkins
You'd enjoy George Orwell's essay "Politics & the English Language", it's on this very topic. The use of a "meme" (in his time I guess they were just political/social buzzwords) proves that one has nothing new to say and is reliant on cliches, it's sort of a language crutch for people who no think smart. Check out the essay.
double post
Caleb Peterson
Metroidvania inspired games who's upgrades to move on to the next area are just literal keys. Instead of some sort of combat/mobility upgrade.
Aliens: Infestation is guilty of this, so many fucking keycards. I'll admit that it is a Metroidvania that limited by only using "upgrade/items" from the Aliens universe though.
Jose Rodriguez
We all clearly like Dark Souls for different reasons here. I play it solely for the satisfying melee combat animations and sound effects. I fucking loathe the rest of the game. No quicksaves, no saving anywhere, losing souls and humanity when dying twice, shit le so dank and grimm atmosphere, shit enemy design, boring level design, shit bosses, simon sez combat, shit music, shit story, shit lore you don't even care about, shit pvp system, and shit fanbase. It's a piece of shit game that I can enjoy for one simple aspect.
Jace Roberts
my little user can't possibly be this casual
Easton Lee
Unfortunately 'rogue-like' now means 'go back to the start if you die, except maybe with upgrades, and the map is a little randomized from a selection of premade sections'
Kevin Cox
Probably the most Rogue-like game that isn't a roguelike is ARPGs such as Diablo. I always wonder what would happen if an AAA studio took Tom Biskup's longstanding offer and made a big-budget Diablo-ish version of ADOM.
Aren't most of those more modeled on that dopey SCP game?
erectioninprogress.flv
That's one of the most Japanese things I've ever read
Another example is items in later Zelda games, like the spinner and dominion rod in Twilight Princess.
Chase Ross
DaS PvP is pure trash, and its PvE is the ONLY redeeming feature about the game.
Parker Howard
But user, you can save anywhere. Just exit the game.
James Ward
I don't care about your autistic taste, you fat weeb faggot.
Samuel Rivera
No, I mean
not
Hunter Jenkins
>I'm really bad at videogames but I don't want YOU to tell me that I'm really bad at videogames
Ian Peterson
Nah, I'm okay with you calling me bad at video games. I mean, it's just a fucking game, holy shit.
Jackson Sanders
Cash-ins like what you've described have been around since the dawn of the patent system and has taken the forms of books and movies.
I should mention Call of Duty 4 because, after that came out, everyone wanted to replicate its success, even Infinity Ward after the leads left to work on FTL. But CoD4 has some things that the copycats could never get right:
As for games trying to cash in on the top-down shooter craze created by Hotline Miami: I'll use 12 is better than 6 as an example:
Kayden Flores
Oh yeah, and most important about the knife in 12: it has dodgy hit detection. It's the most vital component of any video game weapon.