The Great Barrier Reef of Australia passed away in 2016 after a long illness. It was 25 million years old

in the bookchin sense of the word

what about this

theguardian.com/environment/gallery/2016/jun/07/coral-graveyard-the-aftermath-of-bleaching-on-the-great-barrier-reef-in-pictures

tbh none of the socialist states gave a fuck about the environment either

Environmentally sustainable initiatives were actually one of the pillars of Castro's government.

Oh look a retard…

great argument

it's like pottery

great argument

Look, the coral reef is fucked without a doubt I agree with you, but you should not be linking blogs when asked for a scientific report, you're not helping anyone here.

Yeah tbh I'm not inclined to believe it until I see a real scientific report and even then it would have to be pretty rigorous. Environmentalism is a pretty common way that the bourgeoisie tries to convince people they need to cut back on their living standards.

youtube.com/watch?v=71EKnFgYKzI

Really rather sad when you think about it. This reef was one of the oldest things to likely ever live, and we just sort of killed it without caring.

Fuck off back to facebook

Tbh very little lifestyle changes you or I can make will influence the rate of climate change. We need societal-wide and industrial changes if we want to have any impact. The only thing buying a hybrid or recycling your plastics does is make you feel a little less guilty. Porky is still going to burn every last ounce fossil fuel is can get its grubby paws on

208.180.30.233/lib/reefs_endangered.071214.pdf
Here's one, there's an overwhelming amount of scientific papers on how climate change is affecting coral. Google scholar is your friend. Scientific articles are pretty difficult for the layman to understand though which causes people to be paranoid. Hard to trust something when you don't know the first thing about it right? It's why I took environmental science in university, and having learned all the intricate details behind it I can say for 100% certainty that climate change is a major threat. It worries me when people vote for politicians who deny it and treat it as some grand conspiracy.

Not true at all, governments obey the people, and people are being shepherded into believing climate change is a hoax and that non-issues like ISIS are more important. The US senate being republican controlled is a fucking catastrophe. They were put there by voters so the voters have no one to blame but themselves for not getting informed. Unfortunately the rest of the world is going to suffer as well for their willful ignorance.

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Okay then, let me ask, what have you done to get more active in preventing climate change? Any activity outside of sitting on your computer telling people there's nothing they can do? If you've done absolutely nothing then the government is definitely following the people's orders The people tell them they're happy consuming however much they want with total disregard to their personal future. It's a fair value system to care only for your short term comfort I don't judge, but don't go creating conspiracies out of thin air to alleviate the side effects of your actions.

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just being honest. there's nothing you can do on an individual level to affect climate change, because the major contributing factors are outside your control. write your government or whatever, go stand in the middle of north dakota, it doesn't matter, because fossil fuels are still incredibly lucrative and those who own the industries surrounding them are going to continue to have the economic leverage to do whatever they want. not to say you should just give up, the individual acts provide some level of solace to me, since I can at least pretend to be trying, but I don't hold any illusions that veganism is saving the planet or sorting my trash is going to save the coral reefs.

the idea that governments respond to popular will is the conspiracy theory, imo.

Tobacco was and still is lucrative too, but look how they're ending up. Tobacco's fall proves that the public has the capability to deny those with wealth their power. Defeatism does nothing but hold the progress back and most likely causes you to do more harm than you would if you were cautiously optimistic.

Your analogy doesn't work.

Firstly, as you said, tobacco is still going strong. People still smoke, despite overwhelming evidence is kills you and the people around you. We've known for a long time tobacco is deadly (actually, similar to how fossil fuel companies hid the threat of climate change for as long as they could, the tobacco industry knew how deadly cigarettes were as they were handing them out to children), yet people still smoke. Porky still fracks, despite overwhelming evidence we shouldn't.

You can point out that cigarette smoking has decreased in frequency in the population, but the problem is that we no longer have the option for gradualism. It's too late for that. 15, 20 years ago, maybe, but now it's too late. Here's a report that explains this a bit better. Basically, we have to stop all expansion of fossil fuel infrastructure if we want to, yknow, survive.

Here's a video that helps cope.
youtube.com/watch?v=1Nmy2uVb39I