Is Russia ripe for revolution?

Is Russia ripe for revolution?

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the time's coming up for the centennial of the october revolution.

Leftism has won in Russia.

Now we just need to get in power.

Russian "communists" are actually the worst brand of fascists you could find in europe

They are in nothing related to leftism, you have to know that soviet nostalgia is a far-right thing

They call for a more authoritarian and nationalistic governement than the one of Putin. CPRF is known to be conservative and religious organization, empowering the russian orthodox church. Also, their party openly supports prosecution of immigrants, jews and homosexuals

t. anarchkiddie faggot

not falling for your tricks

Russia is the one western power that is firmly against the latest tide of capitalist development tho. They don't want to lose their strong state, their national sovereignty and autonomy, and I personally think that these are the best arguments against revolution, because even on a very intuitive level people already acknowledge that a revolution can't be made on the basis of the nation-state, or it will be smashed by global capitalism and international finance without a single shot fired.

He's partially right. The mainstream Russian communist parties just want Russian expansionism and social conservatism with some lip service to the USSR.

It's important to note that they also do not follow socialist economics. What they aspire for is a protectionist mixed economy.

Maybe, but I think the Russians are prepping for service somewhere else. They're getting pretty lebensraum-tier Hitlerite fascist atm.
I hate Kremlin because they keep astroturfing/shilling on right wing boards, and it makes it harder to have discussion where one can convert/evangelicise or even debate.
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Just to give some examples :

europe.newsweek.com/russian-communists-are-turning-christ-327487

theglobalcommunist.wordpress.com/2012/04/10/russian-communists-attack-liberalism-and-abortion/

Some typical far-right youtube propaganda from them : youtu.be/CAduioSMmPc?t=374

(look at how they are into "muh fun stuff" at6:18 and "we're being replaced" at 6:43)

And for the core matter - economy - they basically just want this
Their "anticapitalist" claims are often
antisemitic.

Don't be fooled comrades, when they oppose Putin, it's actually because they find him too "weak", too "westernized". They are asking for a fascist regimes. They dispise democracy and basic workers rights like striking and forming unions, and are tied with state authority and bosses


you don't have to be surprised, the lasts russian communists died in the 30's. It is rumored that Andropov wanted to launch a massive political terror to convert the soviet society and economy to the chinese model (keeping the dictatorship while moving the capitalist market economy)

How is your feminist bookclub going?

How is your nazbol stereotyped worldview allowing you to post on this board ?

You're just a fascist who believes he has something leftist because you support a planned econnomy. You don't give any fuck about people's well-being, world solidarity, progress, or universal issues. You just have a boner for a "racially pure" society and a totally militarized society. As for the CPRF, your opposition to capitalism doesn't come from the fact that it is an irrationnal form of modern society, but because you're disgusted by modernity as a whole.

By the way I'm not a feminist nor an anarchist or a hipster or a liberal or whatever. I'm just an average guy who knows enough about CPRF to state that they are not reds, but a bunch of browns

I have an anecdote to add to this. I met an avid Russian supporter of the CPRF online. He refers to himself as a Nazi, but supports them on the basis that he thinks they will start, and I fucking quote, "a holocaust but actually real".

This enquiry is particulary enlighting about who the russian "communists" are :

shirazsocialist.wordpress.com/2011/12/15/the-truth-about-the-russian-communist-party/

More

opendemocracy.net/od-russia/alexandr-litoy/kremlin-has-nothing-to-fear-from-leftwing-opposition

themoscowtimes.com/articles/child-murder-sparks-calls-for-stricter-russian-immigration-rules-52053

Holy Mary you're triggered. That's some SJW tier projection there. You talked shit about the CPRF because you read a single meme article about them so I talked shit back.
You say you are not a liberal but you spaz out just because someone doesn't share the same views about culture and social integrity.

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not being progressive on social issues automatically reveals ones not being a leftist.

Socialism not only encompasses democracy and worker's ownership, but also universalism and individualism. And those last two components are not some absurd tenets of an ideology, they are essential and strategic to any genuine socialist project. Seizure of the MoP at a global scale cannot be obtained as long as the world proletriat is divided by racism, "patriotic" bullshit, ethnic conflicts or any rubbish identitarian trick you are into. And an only national seizure for military aims is both destined to fail and undesirable, there is no interest in replacing capitalism by a 1984 world-like. We are trying to realize a global human community, turned toward science, rising of the well-being, and unleashing of everyone potential. You are into making a weird fantasy about a world made of oligarchic collectivist nations turned into perpetual wars for the sake of it, it has nothing to do with leftism. I still don't understand why you are arguing on this board, which is our last retrenchment, nor why you are tolerated here. You already have the whole rest of the web to spread your shit. So get the fuck out

"Workers of all countries, unite !"

t. Red Fascist

A Holla Forumsyp with red paint is still a Holla Forumsup.

I didn't know SJW wanted a militarized society and were disgusted by modernity. All the rest was barely about credible in inversion (you could say they are deeply triggering and problematics, falsely universalist, falsely progessive, intelorant, not solidar and not concerned about many people well-being). But on the two last, you failed.

I just vomitted a little. "Progressive" is one of the most chauvinist newspeak, it's based on the primitive assumption that history follows a stringent path towards it's end. Thats some serious perversion of dialectics. I'd recommend to read some Heidegger.
Secondly it's a fraud tbh by simply implying your opponent is just "stuck in the past" but not giving any explanation why a certain is "progressive" why and one is not. And yes, that's usually what neoliberals do, seeing liberalism, human rights and economic micromanagement (post-modernity) as universal. Two can play at this game: Your assumption that your specific set of values is the one everybody should have on a global level, is racist.

And?

Read Marx and Freud, lmao. You know, base and superstructure? Ever heard of that?

>"Workers of all countries, unite !" as long as you follow my specific cultural values


Nice try faggot. I was using it as banter, I debate you on liberalism any day, you're probably American, a country that has a history of using the term "liberalism" wrong.

[…] why a certain value is "progressive" and why another one is not

wew, hangover

was a nazi

Something progressive tend to imporve the condition of mankind and to unleash its scientific potential, something conservative tend to lead mankind to self-destruction

For example, wars, dictatorships, unemployement, environnemental destructions are prejudiciable to human beings, mankind and its future, if the world get rid of the curse of wars, dictatorships, waste of ressources and pollution, human condition wll greatly improve. If the world continues in the current path (fascism everywhere, natural ressources depletion, third world war, …), mankind will disappears before the end of 21 century.

That's a simplistic and negative definition of what is progessive" and what is not

I can't give you a more precise defintion because, in my opinion, everyone instincively* knows what is beneficial, progessive and worthy to be defended : Democracy, peace, equality, rational managment of ressources, honesty, solidarity

*I mean that this instinctive "knowledge" is bequeathed by evolution

Maybe so but I doubt they have any interest at all in internationalism.

where did I defended IdPol ? I despise and reject "right-wing" IdPol, that doesn't mean I embrace "left-wing" one

Universal values are not specific, all people on Earth seems to seek peace, democracy and a brighter future for the next generation. This tendency of mankind to sypathy is natural and explainable, read The Descent of Man (1871, Darwin)

Is this supposed to be an argument?

And you are having the authority to define what is conservative and what is progressive, or what?

If you want a global socialist revolution, you gotta have some serious wars.

Enviromentalism is literally a fascist invention though.

What? Most fascist countries are gone

And yet you did not include anything of what argued about before in it. May I quote you again?


How is that related to pollution and Third Worls sweatshop labor? Do you think a NazBol country would have sweatshops?


But you just did, see above.

Fair enough. But the stances vary about how to get there, since millenias.

Quoting Darwin on social issues, eh.

Fuck off, reddit.

Could be view as an ad hominem but … yes


You were already spotted Holla Forums, no need to fall in this meme

What is progressive and conservative is defined by common observations : wars, dictaorships, ressources monopolization and bad managment are obviously prejudicciable to mankind envisaged as a whole

Only one, against the burgies and reactionnaries scums, then peace on Earth until the end of times

????

Putin's Russia, China, arab regimes, corrupyted despotes in Africa, rise of the far-right in Europe and USA

How can you help third world people to escape poverty while despising them for being of an other race/ethnicity. Global cooperation is necessary to address environnemental issues, and it is mutually exclusive with racial/ethnic divisions : everything spent into futile bickering related to archaic habits and institutions is not spent to build recycling infrastrutures, and war cause ecological destructions

Since the main goal of this political system is not the realization of each inidividual and world progress, but produce as much weapons as possible and use iit on other nations … yes


I quote Darwin on serious political issues

t. fascist who likes the hammer and sickle more than the swastika

Goddamnit, Adorno.

How would you call these ?

Yes.

No.

Totalitarianism != fascism

The word has been invented by Mussolini himself to describe is regime :