Does being homosexual have the same cause as having fetishes?

Homosexually is possibly caused by a recessive gene as well as mother's hormones during pregnancy.
It's not perfectly understood, but it does seem to be a combination of pre-birth environment and genes

Aids might be cured soon
Unprotected sex is the public health threat, fight that

Gays might develop them later. IDK really.

do people hold both these views?

According to your logic, then being straight is not natural either. I didint want to play the "social construct" card but you kinda brought it upon yourself.

They dont hold both? As long as I know if you hold the first you dont hold the second.

What if some aspects of human behavior and cognitive development were biological and some where socially constructed
Have you thought of that

I have no idea, I've not done any studies on the topic.
My assumption is that its an abnormality in the brain like autism.
It's not harmful so it's not a problem.

Does it matter?
Even if, hypothetically, everyone decided their sexual orientation when they hit puberty, would that be a reason to discriminate against gay people? No, because we don't punish people for their entire lives because of a decision made when they were children.

Anyway, sexual orientation and fetishes are fixed from a very early age. I know I had my fetishes before I started school.

We should be studying to liberate people from the need for protected sex

AIDS is eliminated in Cuba, gays are allowed.

It's not exactly an easy question to answer. Human sexuality is really weird and complicated.

Yes.

They undo everything you fight for in the world by being unable to further the species.

Not the case as long as gays stay a minority. Also, it seems like technology can solve that problem anyways.

In fact, I would go as far as claiming that the left should be THE MOST homophobic of them all.

Why? Because you're practising negative eugenics on yourselves. (yeah, I'm a Holla Forumsack, but this is a well meant advice.)

By surrounding yourselves with this kind of stuff your birthrates are dropping while conservative people keep on churning out babies.
Granted, they can be affected by ideology, but you see how the pendulum is swinging back to the right, right?

Homosexuality, LBGBQTWTF are evolutionary drains on your fitness.

And not only that, because it's an 🍀🍀🍀 agenda 🍀🍀🍀 it is pushed heavily. If you oppose it even the slightest then you're an evil cishet heteronormative breeder bigot nazi.
Insane peer pressure by the 🍀🍀🍀 handlers 🍀🍀🍀 and their 🍀🍀🍀 golems 🍀🍀🍀 who care very little about the evolutionary fitness of said golems.

But it does drain you. The conservative people will ALWAYS snap out of any liberal haze if the heat is cranked up and survival is being seen as jeopardized.

But this kind of thinking is being exorcised in anyone who isn't conservative or comes from a conservative background.

If you think that homosexual is good, or not harmful, then it should scale well to any population size, not just "too big to fail" but also very small.

But just like infertile heterosexuals would not be good for a small tribe, homosexuals wouldn't be very good either.
They can still do things, of course, it's not like they're *useless*, but they cannot provide more hands on deck.

A reason why infertility is considered something that is not *healthy*, because you lack something an actual healthy person has.
Plus, it's the basics of biology. And neither examples are some sort of natural means of reducing overpopulation.

If nature knew that some species was at the brink of overpopulation then it would not go through the trouble of letting you birth infertile or homosexual people who still need resources and co.
It would give you stillbirths and co.
But nature doesn't know, so that's a non issue anyway.

Anyway, the point stands. It's all fine and well to be left, but there are some things even you should reject.
Go through your ideologies, your views, and ask questions about them.
Questions like : Will this further our species.
Will this ensure survival. Will this ensure the health of society and will it encourage and nurture the capability of society to reproduce and further it.

Optionally you can also ask if it helps your tribe/race in particular, but that might be too far right.

Forgot to add:
And therefore homesexuality should not be seen as something "healthy", but medicine and science should find ways to cure it.
There is more to life than just cummies and that's what homosexuality boils down to, anyway.

If you had a gay friend whom you really like, perhaps love.
Would you not want them to be able to make children without some crazy procedure?
(Not to mention depriving the child of growing up in a household that has the perspectives of both sexes, which helps immensely with all sorts of things.)

Imagine if homosexuality were something like a cold that had an easy cure in the end.
There would be no need for pride. There just needs to be an end of shaming such things.

Imagine you were gay and could just get a shot for it at some point in time.
Why be "proud" (to be an evolutionary dead end) if you could just be a healthy person?

In fact, mental illnesses as a whole need to be combated more again.
(Cue the riffs on being right wing being a mental illness, etc. )

Instead of jumping through a billion hoops and self deceit, being "differently abled" and whatnot.
Imagine you could just get cured with no shame because society was steered toward realizing illness, not shaming the illness, and curing it.
Instead of dressing the illness up as something "proud" or "brave" or "beautiful".

You would save so many more lives and enrich so many more lives that way, instead of some phoney solution.

Being a "normal" "healthy" human doesn't necessarily lead to becoming a soulless porky nazi baby eater.

Every woman deserves to hold her baby in her arms someday.
Choice against it is fine, but wholesale inability should not be fine.

But yeah, enough of my soap box.
Do consider this, though. It's more effort to clean up the madness, but you will make lives better that way.

Instead of dismissingly calling everything beautiful and brave and whatnot, try and steer society toward fixing it.

Nobody likes to be judged or seen as less than whole or healthy or good.
But *that* is the problem that needs fixing, not the unfortunate state they are in.

"Oh, you're gay? Check into the gene therapy clinic, it's a simple procedure and your chem leves will go back to normal."

You can always opt to not have a child, but you should have the drive and capability to do so if you wished.

Way I see it, its an extra pair of hands that doesn't have mouths to feed.

I fail to see why even 10% of the male population being infertile would be a problem to a small tribe.

Humans are useful for more than just breeding y'know

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do you mean college, high school, or just school in general? Like, were you 5 when you had developed a fetish?

That is the most retarded argument I've ever come across. The earth is nearly overpopulated as it is (arguably, already overpopulated depending on what you are judging it by). And, assuming socialism increases the general quality of life, let's say, a few decades post revolution, you don't want to have 9 billion people popping out 2.5 kids per household. If anything, we'd need to discourage childbirth so quality of life can continue to rise. 2 things that would contribute to this; increased QoL tends to lower population growth because parents are more confident in their offspring's chances of success. Second is gay people who won't be having kids in the first place.

why does this matter ?

I don't know… do you define yourself by your homosexuality?

Do you pretend homosexuality can have a "culture" as if fags were some sort of nation-state?

Do you lecture others about how they're not being gay enough or being gay wrong?

Do you internalize a lot of self-loathing, hatred of your parents, or something else because of your gayness?

Do you switch it up between "I was born like this!" too "I choose to be this way" for whatever is a convenient argument at the time?

If you answered no to each of those questions, than homosexuality is not a fetish. And idealistically I'd like to believe some people just are legitimately gay and feel sexual/romantic attraction to their own gender just out of fluke of genetics. But that's so difficult to tell in the West where everyone is defining themselves by these shallow axioms.

School in general. Obviously I didn't see it as sexual then, but it was still an irrational attraction to certain objects/situations.

And the Incas would be giving well-meant advice if they told you to sacrifice your children to the sun god to solve world hunger.

You are so wrong that the only argument I can really provide is simply to state that your sun god, the moral imperative to reproduce, does not exist.

huh. well, I suppose in hindsight I recognize being attracted to mine when I was around 13 or so. Younger wouldn't have seemed odd though.

Look, let me make something abundantly clear for people
that are so bereft of activities
they feel like they gotta comment on every one of mine
First of all, being a vegetarian should never be associated
with being a revolutionary or being open minded, that's a dietary choice
If someone wants to proliferate the type of ignorance
we're supposed to be fighting by thinking that, you're just fucking yourself
I don't go around promoting beef and poultry shoving it in peoples faces
I don't castigate people for not eating steak sandwiches
And I would never diss someone for being a fucking broccoli head
or living off radishes or eating grass with tofu
I like a lot of vegan cuisine but the illogicality
of expecting everyone to adopt your particular idea
of what being healthy is, is just preposterous
I've seen some of you herbivores, and if you wanna argue health
y'all need to eat some kind of supplement
because some of y'all are so skinny that it's disgusting
Lookin like the only hip hop motherfuckas on Schindler's list
Being a malnutrition ass got nothing to do
with being revolutionary or being on point
I'll be damned if I let somebody else push their agenda on me
You know, I don't eat pork, not cause I'm a Muslim
I just don't really like it, but I really will fuck a bird up
And fish is good when that shit is fresh
It's like my nigga Vast Aire from Can' Ox said
If you don't like the smell of burning meat, then get the fuck off the planet
You know, I don't criticize people for eating moss
And don't open your fuckin mouth about my food man
I like beef and broccoli motherfucka, mind your God damn business
Matter of fact, you know what? I'm out
I feel like a some aronco pollo, a banana daiquiri
and a motherfuckin bistelpanadoLook, let me make something abundantly clear for people
that are so bereft of activities
they feel like they gotta comment on every one of mine
First of all, being a vegetarian should never be associated
with being a revolutionary or being open minded, that's a dietary choice
If someone wants to proliferate the type of ignorance
we're supposed to be fighting by thinking that, you're just fucking yourself
I don't go around promoting beef and poultry shoving it in peoples faces
I don't castigate people for not eating steak sandwiches
And I would never diss someone for being a fucking broccoli head
or living off radishes or eating grass with tofu
I like a lot of vegan cuisine but the illogicality
of expecting everyone to adopt your particular idea
of what being healthy is, is just preposterous
I've seen some of you herbivores, and if you wanna argue health
y'all need to eat some kind of supplement
because some of y'all are so skinny that it's disgusting
Lookin like the only hip hop motherfuckas on Schindler's list
Being a malnutrition ass got nothing to do
with being revolutionary or being on point
I'll be damned if I let somebody else push their agenda on me
You know, I don't eat pork, not cause I'm a Muslim
I just don't really like it, but I really will fuck a bird up
And fish is good when that shit is fresh
It's like my nigga Vast Aire from Can' Ox said
If you don't like the smell of burning meat, then get the fuck off the planet
You know, I don't criticize people for eating moss
And don't open your fuckin mouth about my food man
I like beef and broccoli motherfucka, mind your God damn business
Matter of fact, you know what? I'm out
I feel like a some aronco pollo, a banana daiquiri
and a motherfuckin bistelpanado

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Your opinion is created by not seeing difference between "liberal" and "communist" this is what """jew""" wants from right wing :^)

There is nothing "beautiful" or "brave" about liking dicks. It's their decision, I can't give a fuck.
On other hand, people who are trying to split proletariat based on what they like put into their ass or do with genitalia should be sent to gulag.

Ay now, don't mock my thursday nights comrade

I think its both.

The gay lisp seems to be a genetic or biological phenomenon.

But in my case I never really liked dicks or dudes til 19 when I saw a guy who made me very confused.

So no, I don't think its a fetish thing, more of a preference thing

Underrated post

You are confusing political things with biology.
Death sex (or at the very least, inert sex) will not give you any future serfs, you know?

In the current reality, though, their massive need of healthcare will drain you, not enrich you.
Unless you let the poor nymphomaniacs die off, of course.
If not, be prepared to shower them with truvada like substances and general medication because they think gangbanging it raw every damn weekend is more important than society.

It does. It's the strongest in females, actually.
See that experiment from Australia, for example.

Especially when a woman goes toward 30, the clock starts ticking really loud.
( Provided you have a healthy woman, of course. Which most are, even the brainwashed, although in that case it's easier to suppress, or beat down, really.)

You also don't seem to grasp basic biology.
The urge to reproduce is built in, along with self preservation.
The only way to get rid of it is by being enslaved.

Slavery usually begets these kind of things.
You become depressed. You don't want to live. You want to just lie down (figuratively and literally, depending on moods) and die.

To you, too, I hope you'll be owning your means of pharmaceutic production, or something, you will need to burn quite a bit of midnight oil to shovel "preservatives" into the walking and hip thrusting dead.

Humans are useful for more than breeding, yes.
But you want as many fertile and willing people to cement and solidify a system that has everybody doing their part.
Including providing new hands on deck to carry the torch.

Homosexuals are hedonists, though.
(And deviants, unlike infertile heterosexuals, they have some really messed up "kinks" sometimes/often.)

i do not understand this point.

perverted part of your ideology is showing. do you enjoy "blacked" videos? :^)

This exactly is the reason why I'm not worried about low fertility rates, they should go up in socialist society with women without stress of not having enough money to worry about not supporting her child enough.

imo, I'm just like, let them faggot die off. They do not reproduce, and they should not be forced to reproduce, so number of faggots should be going down in non-homophobic society without these "wicked" genes

Death sex?
You know, sex that does not create life (unless we are talking new strains of STDs)

Oh, yeah.
I'm totally into poz-pigging. Urethral sounding. Fisting. Standard Fuckparties where I strap myself into swings.
Cottaging/Cruising. Gloryholing. Twinking.
And other "elevated, high minded" sexual practises.

That is true, but they are being celebrated. Pride parades. A lot of propaganda. Genderqueer pushes. Mental illness and insanity being sold as virtues.

This kind of stuff has a lot of killing potential.

As in. Imagine you've tried for a child with your wife, or something.
And you raised your child, put effort, resources, love into it.

And then suddenly it starts to believe it's an aromantic, pansexual tertiary star system otherkin genderqueer called Aldebaraan Goku X and this whole cisheteronormative breeding belongs in the trash.

What could have been a legacy, the continuation of a bloodline is undone or at least jeopardized by evolutionary dead end thinking like that.
(MGTOWs and co also fall under that. Yeah, real sound evolutionary tactic, shunning the other part of reproduction, hating it, etc)

None of this should be nurtured. You can only make up so much with liberal/leftist ideology, but some things are just too real to "liberalize".
(I consider liberalism very "prayer" or "mutual contract" based. As in, we have to strongly believe that all these "refugees", for example, will be good and not bad, despite the soaring crime rates and co.)
(Then again, that kind of thinking is part of any ideology since they're all man made. )

Fact is, though. The pride and LGBTQ movement is poison to anyone who actually practices it.

It's a combination of genetic and environmental factors in your early life. For example, (and don't quote me on this, as I'm not certain) but boys who were molested at a young age go on to develop homosexuality.

You both have a point. Letting gay people die because of their behavior is fucking psycho, just like doing the activities that lead to the disease is wrong.

Sex is nice, relaxing activity. You should try it from time to time.

This is just bourgeois attempt to divide proletariat while letting people who engage in it feel good. Destroy capitalism, idpol will disappear.

Does it matter?

The person you're responding to actually said "the moral imperative to reproduce" which is not the same as the alleged biology you're referring to.

the US government inventing the AIDS virus didn't help either,did it now?

My understanding is that scientists believe there is a genetic element to homosexuality.
Most if not all fetishes usually result from childhood "trauma".
Nearly all of my fetishes relate to women being dominated or degraded. I think this relates to the anxiety I had as a child and the desire to have control in my life.
Gay guys just like dicks.

This is just a borin' old nature nurture discussion

Shit, I was molested?

i know this is going to sound fucked up but i see it as a fetish and a mental "fuckup" in the brain, like a mental disorder.

nothing wrong with it though, i've had a best friend who was gay who was one of the chillest niggas on earth. gay culture should be accepted and tolerated.

I have a gay friend who agrees

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Sexual orientation is a spook

The moral imperative does not exist. Read shit before responding to it, fucktard.