JJ's Star Trek flicks were better Star Wars movies than The Force Awakens and both TFA and RO...

It's completely accurate. Abrams being good was always a meme pushed by the same faggots who think Kevin Smith was a good director.

Nope Star Trek (2009) is better than anything Smith ever directed and is all it needs to be its a solid Star Trek flick.

It wasn't even a good Star Trek film, and JJ straight up admits he made it into wannabe Star Wars because he doesn't even like Trek. You're a pleb pal. You like the McDonald's of movies.

True. They're far from ideal Star Trek movies, but in the end there's only so much you can fuck up the original crew. Bones is always lovable. Can't say that for anyone in nu Star Wars.

That's why it was good it wasn't like Star Trek, you are a tryhard.

2009 was everything it needed to be. A light adventure movie to reintroduce the original crew and convince general audiences to watch Star Trek again after the borefest of the TNG movies. The problem is that they failed to go anywhere from there. The sequels should have had deeper, more Star Trek storylines, but instead they just made the same film two more times.

Mission Impossible III, Super 8 and Star Trek were love letters to old style filmmaking schlock. And were good.

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Definitely better than STD.

I saw it in theaters and had a fun time

glorified capeshit

I'll agree that they're better than TFA but that's not difficult. They're pretty average as action movies but as star trek movies, they are wasted potential in the writing department. In the 2009 movie Nero had a pretty elaborate backstory that didn't make it to the film, which turned the movie into a revenge flick. The idea of some ship coming from the future, fucking the timeline and everyone in it is consistent enough with the time travel shenanigans in the shows. It felt flat because none of it made any sense:

In the hands of better writers, the movies could have been good Star Trek movies. ST Into Darkness would have been better if Khan and the Kingons were removed in favour of Admiral Marcus militarising Starfleet. That would have given it ties to older works without being a complete rip off.

STD is made by people who think they're smart but in reality they're a bunch of pretentious people. I bet that the target audience is the Big Bang Theory and Rick & Morty crowd.

Capeshit would be an improvement. At least some capeshit is fun. STD is just nothing. There is no entertainment value in this series.

The sad part is, I feel like this means JJ isn't nearly as bad of a director as we give him, even though he is not great by any means, he actually probably could make a great star wars film if he was given a good script to work with.

Instead of a cheap Khan remake, the second movie should've set the start of a Federation vs Klingon war that would've ended in a third movie.

All those 3 questions are irrelevant for everyone else except ST nerds and weebs

JJ's problem is he has no soul. He doesn't lack technical skill. He could probably make perfectly good movies if he cared about anything other than constructing a product for mass market appeal.

Of the three, Into Darkness is the most salvageable. With a competent writer, and a non-meme director it could be made into something watchable. The first one is a bland formulaic hero's journey shit featuring badly written non-characters with poorly shot action scenes. The third one is just a boring TV episode.

He's a good director as long as he doesn't get involved with the script. Sadly, BadRobot is an awful production house, most of its writers are shit.

Isn't that what people wanted since the beginning?

It wasn't even that bad until the magic weapon plot, Kirk on shitty cgi motorbike, Idris Elba is a shape changer, let's use the same beastie boys song again… cut those things and the script might have worked.

People wanted a good TV episode, or more accurately one of the good movies. But not Wrath of Kahn three times.

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No matter what, this scene in STID is actually kino and the modern equivlanet to whitekino and you know im right, yes Chris Pine is jewish and so is JJ but Captain Kirk doing this shit is pure kino right there.

He was definitely given average scripts. Star Trek (2009) isn't terrible with the red matter time travel stuff, its schlock sure and I agree he could try to spice up his style a little bit and give it more. But he hasn't had much to work with either, as you said Bad Robot gives shit scripts. There's one monologue in Super 8 that I thought had emotion.

Hasn't his whole career just been imitating directors, movies and franchises he loved years ago? Has he ever directed anything truly original. Seems like he wants to be Spielberg, rather than become the next Spielberg.

Idk Mi:III wasn't really like the other Mi movies. Super 8 was also not bad, he's different that Spielberg but he definitely borrows from him in some of the layout of his scenes, but others he doesn't.

Abrams is not and never will be a good film director. He doesn't understand characters. He lacks any subtlety and is all (shit) style over substance. He doesn't have any real life experience, he is just a rich Jew using his daddy's money and influence to make fan fiction of works of better artists. He only imitates surface. Maybe he could be good at shooting commercials or music videos.

Opening sequence here has emotion

That's just the end of Wrath of Kahn though.

Shh!

Abrams is the driving force behind these shit scripts. It was his idea to have Khan in STID. As hard as it is to believe, Orci's script would have been actually better without Abrams' influence.

Mission Impossible, both Star Treks and Star Wars just follow the same formula. Super 8 follows a forumla but a different one. So yea he needs to possibly do something different. This is probably why Cloverfield and Super 8 are the best things hes been involved in then.

is this actually lenseflarekino?