Blizzard confirms large portion of new WoW expansions landmass cut, the trainwreck of legion continues

More like I got myself into a trap playing Warcraft 1,2 and 3 when I was young.

Wish I was a faggot that just did play WoW, I wouldn't care as much for lore.

Weren't those the only interesting characters left in the entire WoW canon that hadn't been literally and figuratively corrupted?

No. No. This can't be true.

What, was Bolvar grooming him or some shit? Why would they do this shit?!

Yep.

I played War 1 2 3 when I was young. Dialup war 2 was the shit.

The closest I ever got to the lore was masturbating to that elf's ass in the instruction manual of the dark portal expansion pack.

Calm yourselves. Everything past W3 is non-canon fanfiction. When and if W4 comes out, it won't acknowledge anything in WoW. All of WoW's lore is just a bad joke that isn't really happening in-universe.

Oh yes some random demon nigger killed Tirion and probably they are going to "ress" him as a Death Knight, as a Paladin I would feel violated at least.

They died in space. They send a message to tell their son they love him.

Thats it.

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For the love of nothing then ?

Not confirmed he was fired, he left because of his own reasons, explained on his twitter.
Order halls are roughly 5% of your activities, compared to 40% with the garrisons.
One customisable weapon, which has relics as supposed weapon drops to make it stronger, come on even in the "old better days" everyone ran around with the same weapon per spec because it was the best.
Havoc, yes. Vengeance more fleshed out then most specs ever where back in the "good old days".
Has this every been different?
Servers them well, filthy elf and race traitor.
Already solved, now two fo them are gated behind the last zone's storyline.
Sylvanas armor is subjective i suppose? I wouldn't trust a dead elf, neither a dead elf leading an army while being target bait.
Diablo is full rng, WoW has still set-in-stone droptables. the aspect of rng is based on minor increases so you can help a friend while still having a chance for a reward.
The largest zone was never announced to be something, it was there. no one knew what was on it, when we went there or how we got to go there.
Varian sends Greymane to fuck up the forsaken invasion on stormheim, so he's not our flower power priestfag anymore.

Come on, either bitch on real shit like world drop legendaries, welfare epics or the sole existance of lfr if you want to bitch about wow, this is vague and mostly untrue bullshit your spewing.

I thought that with Liru release and Gawker downfall things would improve everywhere.

Guess I was wrong.

MFW friend told me how he is "so much into that new game Overwatch ! Blizzard always makes the best games !"

I'm calling bullshit on that one.

The rest is more or less true, though.

Even with moba level controll, I'm having fun with shaman atm, but I heard that paladin ret got gutted and that their rotation is fucked beyond belief. Shame, they finaly got their hand on that shiny weapon.

Well with the confirmation that Alleria and Turalyon is dead and everything else got corrupted at some point, well yes guess you are right.

On one hand Death Knights are better anyway in both WC3 and WoW. (Taking out Ghoul form is one of the reasons I left, btw.) The thing that confuses me is they've already had one Corrupted Ashbringer. Why would they destroy the best Paladin left?

Does blizz just hate Paladi… oh wait thats right cocksucking SJWs forgot that.

Hi Blizzdrone, hows the defence force meetings lately?

Dont forget to tell us to buy overwatch.

confirming false information equals blizzdrone?

"confirming" with no source is.

Do you have any facts? or are you just going to expect people to take a guy telling us to leave good guy blizzard alone in 2016 as an unbias source of information?

What ever you say blizzdrone.

I really liked Paladins before the Naaru reveal in TBC, sounded like they were monks in heavy armor that the light was some spiritual mantra they attained with their paladin training.

Then Metzen decided to smoke crack and thought that giant kanjis giving the light was the better reasoning behind their powers.

At this point I figured out they hated paladins.

Is this real?

Elune the wind chime saves the day!

This a quote from a mindless drone. I have between 3 and 4 friends like that.

The fanbase is similar to the star wars one. They will eat up everything.

We might call many companies casual but blizzard truly targets small kids. They pour cash into small events for em. I saw multiple heartstone/heroes of the storm events that were specifically aimed at small kids locally.

At this point I won't doubt of such shitty plot.

Bare in mind the current WoW player left playing is so stupid many required an add on bot program to do their rotation for them in lfr because "its too hard to move the camera and dps at the same time".

This is the modern blizzdrone.

Fuck I wasted 2 hours of my life and 5 bucks to see that abortion of a movie called Warcraft.

The only redeemable character in that pile of shit of a movie is a fucking CG and its fucking Durotan that got killed early just to justify "orc wuz good guyz I swer"

And I received a rain of shit because I pointed all the flaws in that piece of shit.
Fuck drones for real.

All the rotations are a joke now, 1-4 buttons. I have to wonder if they're just that lazy, or if they're setting up to put it on console.

Unlike the blazzard defence force i bring you the truths they want silenced.

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why the fuck you need to move camera when you dps?? like you know where boss is and you should know when shit is coming your way.

That's hilarious. Frost Death Knights used to be made fun of for having a 3-4 button rotation, but this is even more brain dead.

A lot of remaining WoW players are on the autism spectrum or low functioning in some fashion. That or they are in their late 40's and WoW and hearthstone are the only games they have ever played.

Every guild had the obese late 40's woman that tried to be 'guild momma', played a tauren healer and called everyone 'hun'.

They are still there, because its all they have.

Every WoW thread battered blizzdrones show up, you don't care about being fucked in the ass as so long as you get your favorite lube

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Stop you're making me want to go back again

They are still there, the guilds you loved are not, nor is the game.

Inoculate yourself with some monster hunter or FFXIV or something.

FFXIV man I can't wait to be bored with the slow ass content once more! It'll be just like playing Cata!

I never understood folk that say wow is too hard, yes there are r-tards that don't get silver proving medals for HC, but they are like what 2% of players.

Hardest part of wow is and forever has been is time it take full gear char ti hardest boss, yes mistakes happen in boss fight and you die that why you try 40time one boss before kill, and if your arent alcoholic or rtard you should be able to do your job.

XIV is the best single player RPG with a chat room I've ever played.

How bad did yours react ? Mine already say things like:

One of them refuses to talk to me now.

I am forced to remind them that most people read some of the books and the books were very simple stories written to cash in on the game popularity.
They usually don't take that very well.

c-c-can I have your ticket for a free wow account?

How much of an idiot do you have to be to care about WoW after 2006?

All those checked and to add insult to the injury one then said "That was the best actor for Lothar"

And other said: "You are just mad that they humanized the orcs earlier, we all know you are an alliance player"

I saw everything and I felt a part of me dying. Hope you are happy user.

Sorry I live in hueland we didn't have that promotion here.

At the end of the day no one except the hopelessly addicted even play this shit any longer, anyway. WoD killed the series, and judging from what we've seen, Legion sure as hell won't resurrect its festering corpse.

Now the healing can begin.

Fill the void with some Atelier, Etrian Odyssey or Harvest Moon.

its gonna be awwwwwrite.

Fucking blizzdrones. I can see myself arguing over such shit for a long while.
Next stop will probably be how overwatch is a great game, when they have called other much more serious titles childish before.

And we're not even kids anymore. These are 26-27 year old people with girlfriends that defend this crap.

Fucking drones.

Is anyone surprised? That makes 3 expansions in a row where a big island off to the side has been cut.

What's amazing to me is how blizzard keeps changing the game yet does the same shit over and over.

Well overwatch makes some good porn.

The current state of OW they won't admit, but its a fucking Early Access game.

I just saw a Clockwork Orange and i just want to express my ultra violence somewhere, guess I will boot some Doom WADS and make myself comfy for the rest of the day.

They don't care about the porn. It has the blizz logo slapped on it, therefore to them it must be good.

Most people don't look much into that. Pretty sure most drones are willing to buy overwatch for their kids nowadays.
The drones that keep on giving and create the next generation of drones.

Are you a wizard? My guild in WotLK had this exact person. She played a Tauren Resto Druid and was married to one of the tanks IRL.

EVERY. GUILD.

Go back to cuckchan.

Biggest problem of overwatch is that when ppl learn to play and get's that team play is what win games you need to make another balance round, otherwise there will be just handful of unbeatable attack combinations in game.

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Please user, they play fucking WoW

The problems of Overwatch go much deeper than that. It's more than just unbalanced heroes, it's also how the game handles objectives, timers, and respawn.

Here is a blog post written by Robin Walker about how TF2 handles respawns. It fixed a lot of the problems that their game had during testing, and not using this solution is also why Overwatch has problems: teamfortress.com/post.php?id=1872

rip viper ;_;7

"You think you want that,but you don't."

WoD had a huge island meet the same fate

Alpha of Vanilla had like 2 huge islands off the coast of STV that got cut and they were more or less done

Pretty much, the same people wishing for official legacy servers are the same people who cry that private servers aren't as stable as they'd like em

Fucking 2008 they had this shit figured out and those niggers at Blizzard couldn't even copy the damn game right.

And I bet my fucking penis that if I show that post niggers will go ape shit saying that OW is somehow a different game and shouldn't copy TF2 balance philosophy.

It's still better than any other themepark mmo. People here actually pay monthly for FFXIV which is greatly inferior. But it's Japanese so it gets a pass.

:^)

last I checked the FF MMO thread is about a private server

What? You're shitting me.
Oh. He might be dying. Shit.

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arent retcons a wonderful thing?

The way they try to balance out the lack of respawn waves in Overwatch is to give attackers a very long walk to the objective. Except that doesn't fucking work, because it just means that the games become stalemates because the defenders have such an easy time reinforcing the objective as they respawn.

The ONLY redeeming thing about Overwatch is the porn.

best part is that since vanilla developers have been saying in next x-pac you will see them, and this is best thing they comes up?

Can it get worse than this?

Seriously? Thats like the villain promising the kid he will see his parents again before pulling back the curtain revealing two mutilated corpses

This.
Where are the sources?

Wait, is this part not a joke? Is it actually full on homo?

It is improving. You're witnessing the downfall of WoW.

You have no idea.

The modern wow userbase has been pushing it for years now, it just took one white womyn to suggest blizzard was homophobic.

What drove me nuts about overwatch in the open beta was the fact that you could switch your character freely.

All that end up happening you counter-pick their counter-pick who countered your counter because you countered their pick when they picked counter to your pick that is counter against their counterpick.

Like why the fuck was the game designed in a way where both teams are just CONSTANTLY shuffling their entire makeup.

Also it pissed me off that you can't carry your team at all most of the time because your heroes abillites are so niche that they don't really allow you to kick ass. And even if you manage to their entire team just counter picks you, forcing you to change again. Repeat ad nauseum.

Thats what you get for playing a further casualized ASSFAGGOTS

What the hell, as an Forsaken player I love Sylvanas, but that design is shit, and I never wanted her to be Warchief.

Why couldn't we just stay the outsider faction that doesn't give a shit and whom no other faction really trusts?

The devs are fucking up the game on purpose so the suits get desperate enough to authorise the legacy servers. They were on our side the whole time, playing the long game.

Wow, you weren't kidding.
I wonder how much of that push was SJWs wanting to be progressive and yaoi fangirls who just wanted to fap to it but couldn't admit such publicly.
Also where's the source on this?

Blizzard you fucking niggers.

wait a second…. they promised to have more content updates and more regularly…., maybe they cut this just to release later to give the illusion of regular content updates….

How is that a bad thing?

What is it like to feel?

I never cared much for all the druid stuff, but this is just stupid.

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Yeah, I got suckered in by wanting to stick my dick inside the waifu mecha pilot. At least I realized my mistake before I gave them any money.

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source for the filename claim, son

With all this corruption going on, how have the player characters not been corrupted yet?

Its the first raid. The legion takes over the emerald dream with guldan.

Its like watching everything I loved and cared as I child getting torched in front of my face.

Yea whats wrong with a loot system designed for maximum jew? No idea how they are implementing it in WoW but in diablo 3 it was made so you spend money on the AH

raiding isn't hard, its the management required to recruit and keep a group together. Not everyone wants to play Guild Master.

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Not saying it's without flaws, but I enjoyed the Warcraft movie

It could have been a lot worse, and you can tell they cut a lot out which should be back when it comes out on br or whatever

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To be fair, that system and the AH died out long ago.

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Hope it never gets forgotten

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Yup. Overwatch is just an ultra-casualized TF2. They intentionally designed the game so that the game has as low a skill ceiling as possible, to allow casuals to be able to be on par with shit players.

The ultimate system is also inherently broken. If your team is getting fucked, they will continue to get fucked because now the other team is getting their ultimates faster than your team.

I think the only thing missing to this pile of cancerous shit is Blizzard ressurecting Uther as a Death Knight.

Oh there will be return of Uther when legion will fail, and he will lead army of light because ilidian was't one after all!

I have friends like this. They never play FPS games (only Blizzard games) and are now into Overwatch just because it's made by Blizz.

they're rezzing General Nazgrim the Horde NPC as a Death Knight.

If there's anything Blizzard does right, it's appeal to its dedicated fans and make games that are polished as FUCK. Seriously, Overwatch runs fantastically on old hardware, and it's filled to the brim with references to other Blizzard games.

Of course Blizzard fans love that shit. "OMG THEY MENTIONED STARCRAFT 2 THAT'S SO FUCKING COOL, OMFG THERE'S A HEARTHSTONE REFERENCE! I GET THAT REFERENCE!"

Why not hire Artas?

there actually is a rumor that you go and fetch his body for a DK quest to make a new member of the four horsemen.

Why won't WoW let you play the bad guys?

I remember when my friends try and get me into this I wanted to play as the Warcraft 2 Horde (Not Thrall) or the Scourge.

they actually did let you play the Scourge during a pre-Wrath even but everyone bitched about it because it disrupted their mining bots and goldshire erp.

Because that require a lot of work.

It's not a rumor.

The new four horsemen are
Nazgrim
Sally Whiteman
Thoras Trollbane
Tirion Fordring

wait, Nazgrim is dead?

Wait, what?

I think he was a boss in Siege of Orgrimmar.

He was a fucking raid boss in MoP nigga.

I think what I find most infuriating about WoW is just how little effort they put in and when they do make an effort it's with the wrong things. The amount of fucking resources they have and they couldn't even match the development pace of fucking Trion, putting our four Rift major patches a year.

I don't know what development method/strategy they're using but clearly it doesn't fucking work.

1. Cash shop mounts
2. ???
3. Lose 7 million subscribers

no, the worst thing is that they put in no effort, steal shit constantly, and shit on the players every chance they get and they get away with it every single time.

people legitimately believe WoW """"invented"""" half of the things they added to the game instead of realizing it was just copied wholesale from the competition.

Least efforts + most profits.
It brings them money so they dont care. They probably already calculated required amount of content that will pleasure drones.

I used to love WoW so much, but when I see the effort developers behind games like FF14 and Guild Wars 2 it really puts into perspective how little effort blizzard goes to or how much game design they've forgotten over the years.

Watch this and instantly become depressed over how different old Blizzard and current Blizzard are.

am I being trolled?

I mean like development methodology user. Like waterfall/agile/etc. I guess "lazy fucking kikes" counts maybe.

Sure but not for delivering content. They could stop development right now and coast on a few million diehard drones for years.

it makes sense considering a lot of the other MMO's are developed by people who worked on the original release of WoW. something happened before that game came out that caused a lot of the lead designers to leave.

Everquest lets you be evil, Ultima Online had a fame/reputation system where I didn't play evil or murder but played as a criminal. Its been done before, it can be done again.

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They kick Liadrin's ass, but get their ass kicked because that was holy ground strong enough to fuck up Arthas.

Turalyon is still alive and fucking demons with the army of light.
That FUCKING ILLIDAN OUT OF ALL PEOPLE is supposed to end being the leader.

How much of this are true?
mmo-champion.com/threads/2006340-Legion-the-Diablo-3-expansion

all true and WoW is better for it.

All the while she's still "uncovered" in HotS and Hearthstone.
Let's wait and see how long until those ones will also get "improved".

they did hire a "diversity officer" earlier last year I believe, so more to come

so where is black human kingdom? Muslim paladin and trans gnome druid.

That's the old one

1 effort is infinitely more than 0 effort.

That was also the last time Blizzard ever did anything interesting for one-time world events. Even in Vanilla the casual cancer was already taking hold.

shame

dude FFXIV has a lot of effort but guild wars 2 was dog shit.
it is an insult to guild wars 1.

I'm no WOW lore expert but doesn't most of the Horde hate the forsaken (for good reasons they are dicks) so why would they allow a forsaken as leader of the Horde?

Lorelol

You know I actually have a muslim letter friend and I asked her what the muslim equivelant to a paladin was.

she dont think they have any, closest thing is this guy apparently.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmed_the_Conqueror

I never played GW1, but I think GW2 is a lot of fun and refreshingly different from most other MMOs.

Bretty gud post m80

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Well, color me (not) surprised. I was thinking to go back to WoW in Legion, but now I'm pretty happy that I found the ultra-comfy Tree of Savior instead.

Anybody have the source?

Are you fucking kidding me?

Honestly that doesn't make me mad since she was always one of the better written main characters.

top kek

Why do you niglets still care after all these years?

addiction

it's been like that since WOD, even pandaland had more buttons
i remember the day when you literally needed a mouse with extra buttons to play warriors right, that or a third hand

That wasn't a compliment to WoW's writing as a whole, but just compare Sylvanas to every other leader. Compare the Forsaken to every other player faction.
Blizzard's writers actually have fun writing them

That ain't new

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Whoa, I need a source on these.

i like how the computers in ow run hearthstone

people bitched so the 4th horsemen is now darion

Finally, I'm free…

fuck me, I remember Pandaria's combat rogue spec.
I only used mouse for it, I avoided multibutton mouses and add on's because I wanted to play naturally.
I did enough DPS in raids.
But their was a fuck ton of buttons compared to this in my rotation and other factors to think of.

I had to stack bandit's guile or something, stack combo points up to 4/5 then use eviscerate, use killing spree in conjunction with trinkets and class buff, use adrenaline rush and shadow blades together but never when using killing spree.
It was a lot for me personally to remember in addition to dodging shit.

This just looks…trash. It's worse than a MOBA

I might just go for the bants

fucking kill me.
What is this, the 3rd aspect to die?
I thought she didn't even have her powers anymore or some bullshit.

Is that a fucking joke you absolute stupid nigger?
especially
a watered down combat system and skill spam is somehow remembered from what? GW1??
fucking kill yourself

didn't they have mana? or do you mean along the lines of combo points and runes and that shit?

They did, but shaman since wotlk could just forget about the whole ressource management (for the dps spec, not the healing one) and go their merry way doing whatever was their rotation at the time.

I'm just posting here again because, well, shaman is pretty neato in legion, if anything.

Maelstrom is basicaly like rage for warrior, but the rotation is way different, it's way more pleasing to play with that than with a blue bar just hanging there.

Well, for amelio, at least. Elem look like a basic spam with earth shock when maelstrom capped. I didn't look much into that spec

Make it stop

they'll probably pull the "ITS A BETA" excuse when there's a fucking high elf right there.

You'd like to think that wouldn't you? It's far, far too late for blizz. Even if W4 comes out it will have comparable lore to the MMO

Warcraft 4 will be a moba.

Warcraft and Blizzard deserve to die. Even when WoW was vanilla it was already normalfag trash when they changed the lore and story to make shits feel comfortable and target a larger audience while alienating the old one. Also fuck South Park.

Yeah, stuff like Holy Power, Combo Points, Runes, Arcane Charges. I really loved the Shaman because it was one of few classes that still used only mana.

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Very first guild I joined in vanilla had a older woman as guild leader playing a female tauren. Pretty spot on

They almost always leave because of "reasons" like a spontaneous desire to leave for greener pastures (with less skill and lower pay). Public firings are very rare.

Not really. There were a number of utility weapons that were quite underrated or otherwise situational. Earthshaker procced AoE stuns. Ravager procced AoE swings. Silent Fang procced 6 seconds of silence, Hand of Edward the Odd procced instant cast spells, Ironfoe procced two extra attacks, Felstriker gave guaranteed hits and crits, Manual Crowd Pummeler's active gives a massive DPS boost to feral Druids, Nightfall was a PvE raid-booster, Iceblade Hacker was used to help freeze Viscidus, etc.

You've never played vanilla have you. While PvE features a lot of button mashing PvP could get quite involved. It's not for nothing that WoW players had an absurd number of ability bars.

And if not it will still bastardize the rts genre to the extent that all fans of the series will be reduced to beating their breasts and gnashing their teeth.

The irreparable damage they've done to the MMO genre is reason enough for them all to be killed. Now everything has to be a WoW clone because unimaginative devs see the dollar signs and smell the stench of blizz's shekels. And a resounding "fuck south park" from me too.

Guild Wars 2 doesn't exist.
There is no Guild Wars sequel.

They apparently change it from Tirion to Mograine, apparently, the assault failed, Darion Mograine dies, and he becomes the final Horseman (fucking shit, he was already a Death Knight)

What, did you mommy tell you not to say retard, faggot?

I forgot about that.

how am i supposed to play Warcraft 3 online then?

Blizz should just euthanize WoW at this point

Well at fucking least, because they killed every paladin major figure at this point together with any relevant human leadership. Defiling their corpses is just the final insult.

This is sick.
I remember playing it up to 8HR/ Day during TLK / Cata / Panda.
It simply had something else at every door.
Class X could do something that Class Y could not, and the same otherwise.
Also each class had to look at something else before a raid.
Warlocks needed soul fragment, hunters needed ammo & a happy pet …

Every ability was needed at some point in the game. It didn't mean that without class X you cannot go further, only that you need to have ability X in the group.

Now it's nearly all :
-> Basic attack spam util [whatever bar] is full
-> Finisher.
-> Return to Basic spam
-> Do not forget the 3 CD's with more than 30s cooldown.
Everyone has an interrupt.
Everyone has a self heal.
Everyone has an AOE.
Everyone has an CC.
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No time to spend in order to get ready to do something.
What the fuck has to happen to make them think this is even remotely fun.

The second season of Garrison looks like terminal cancer for me.

The point of an MMO is to play with a group of people in order to archive something that alone you cannot do.
In order to do this everyone has to know the basics, and some situational things.
You get to encounter people, friend and foe alike. You get to understand them, and learn how to do something efficient together.

In order to push you to play with other people there must be "rewards" after a challenge. The real reward was to spend time with other people and develop a group mentality. Even as extensions passed, the group stayed together, while the "rewards" changed.
A small list of what was there that was to do as a group :
- Dungeons & Raids (Hard enough to push for a good group)
- Group quests
- Elite mobs Farm
- Crafts with other crafts as Parts
- Long class chains to get a good piece who involved the things before
- Open World PVP, where having some backup is good

Now this is an MMO where everyone can do anything. Without need to get to know a group. Where you do not need other people to get to things.

Nearly all of the points above have disappeared, or made irrelevant.
There must be a major dysfunction in blizzard heads to let this happen.

Given the now short time that i have now for vidia, i could only try a vanilla private server until level 10.
I had more contact with other players in this short time that in months of blizzard current "world of warcraft".
Hopefully this shit dies soon, so i do not get reminded every two years of what it could have been.
Fuck blizzard. Fuck activision. Fuck also everyone that stands behind them, or gives em money.

Not everyone is gonna okay when a world explodes, user.

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Kill yourself redditor

That would be a fire specced mage with living bomb

sometimes i wonder if blizzard purposefully writes this shit so poorly as an injoke or something. it's like as soon as you think the writing couldn't get any worse somehow they take a turn and make you beg for the shitty storylines you had in the last expansion.

maybe world of warcraft was just an experiment on the effects of dividing by zero all along.

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Please tell me this is a joke and he's not a faggot with a black dragon?

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Well they figured out after WotLK they had to either kill or repurpose her for some shitty plot.

Guess what happened :^)

dwarf priest, ran the guild vault which was stuffed with raid mats for the raids.

I've never understood this. For any other developer making constant updates may be challenging, but with the amount of money Blizzard was making at their high point they could have just hired a whole other team. So that way they wouldn't have to worry about rushing and cutting content.
I mean could you imagine what their expansions would have been like if they had twice as long to work on them?

Holy shit he's got pasty white nerd written all over him, and I do not miss the old "hurr durr make everyone raid" shit. It was completely fucking gay how heavily endgame content skewed towards raiding and not just raiding but raiding the same fucking shit over and over and over again for a fucking long time. Even if you wanted to PvP, you most likely wanted raid loot. I also dislike how they didn't have any smart encounters. His justification is that "it's not fun if they just kill healers" but he doesn't seem to realize that smart encounters open the door to weaker encounters that are challenging in their own ways and much more fun to deal with. Sure giving everyone and their grandmother epics easily is retarded, but I'd rather that shit were skill-gated than time-gated and I'd rather people had a larger variety of options to obtain solid endgame loot.

People should also be playing and replaying because it's fun, not because they just need that extra piece of loot.

they would be exactly the same because they don't spend that time making new content, they just spitshine what's already there and add pop culture references.

on Firetree?

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What?

if you thought wod was boring with no content butchering of classes and professions just wait till you see legion, from what i see its going to be the final nail in the coffin.

how did we go from youtu.be/0XbXIx13zBk?t=1m16s to this youtube.com/watch?v=pHb-KhDsJW8

SERIOUSLY WHY THE FUCK IS FROST DUAL WIELD NOW AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

haven't frost DKs mostly been dual wield since the class was added?

WE HAVE MORE DEVELOPERS WORKING ON WOW THAN EVER BEFORE

The result is the game getting worse and worse

I can't convey the heights of my smug

dual wield and twohanding were both viable for ice back in wrath. if anything, unholy was the dual wield spec, but it really depended on your gear more than anything.

Thats a lie tho, they used that excuse for WoD to dodge the bullet on all those questions because WoD had so many cut content, so if you blame someone else like "new guys who had to be trained from zero" you have perfect excuse and Blizzard drones ate that excuse up with no problem.

So is WoW kill now?

Was it on Wyrmsrest accord?

WoW is the tragically killed possessed beaten cloned raped butchered regurgitated recycled shattered streamlined diluted dumbed-down casualized shadow of its former self.

It was a pretty damn casual MMO from the start too. Blizzard just went full retard thinking they could somehow make it even more casual to draw in a mass market which they already had. Dumbing down the game further no longer offered any hope of expanding audience. It just gave existing players less reason to maintain their subscriptions. Hence the downfall of WoW.

If you want to hook up with some single mom Guild Leaders/Raid Leaders, now is the time.

I find it surprising that people are even bothering to complain about Legion, since WoD was literally 2 patches for two years. And remember all the shit that was cut from that launch.

I'm interested when this point gets brought up. Vanilla WoW difficulty only stemmed from, not having any 3rd party sources for info, the amount of time it took to grind to 60, the amount of time it took to get your Dungeon 1 set, then Dungeon 2 set, then your attunement, then your fire resist gear.

Rotations were fireball/frostbolt spam. Paladins had no role other than BoK's people. Druids literally had no role. 90% of the players ran no mods and had no idea about threat tables, or gearing priority. It took 4 hours of yelling in the capital to get a pick up group

The only reason old WoW was considered so good is because it just did what EQ did and dumb it down for the masses. The amount of unknown information, the fact to get anything done took a team of people that took months to get together and organize and gear, the "newness" and your own ignorance of MMO mechanics make you look back and think it was the best thing ever.

There's your problem, Blizzard doesn't make competitive games aside from Stargay 2.

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Are you real, fam? Do you not recall the first half of cata? Blocked out the traumatic memories of being permanently oom, perhaps?

Is Maiev still dead?

No, she's alive.

Do people still think Illidan did nothing wrong, and that Maiev was just being a big meanie?

This makes no fucking sense because Wrathion was trying to shut down the Horde through all of PandaLand even if it meant killing and sacrificing people. Why the fuck would Anduin like him especially when Wrathion goes all "evil" in the end of fucking Panda Land?!

Fuck you Metzen.

How the fuck would I know?

What? No. 2H was always the way to go for Unholy even before the talent trees were overhauled in Cata. To DW viably you needed Threat of Thassarian and that talent was too deep in the Frost tree for the other specs to get.

This "criticism" can be leveled at all early MMORPGs. The time it takes you to do something and how many people you need to do it is a core balancing point of MMOs, treating it as trivial or irrelevant is absurd.

Maiev is gonna be Illidan's Waifu.

No, he's actually getting Tyrande.

I have no evidence for it, but it's what I've heard.

I'd actually put that in WoW's favor. Identifying what the competition does and does well is a good strategy. Other games/devs could really, really stand to adopt something along those lines. I love FFXIV, but that game is fucking flawed and could really use some quality of life adjustments. It doesn't help that there are zero good info sites like wowhead for any other games because not enough people play those other games to generate demand for good sites.

literally the unfinished half of Warlords

WoW very aggressively resisted informing players about the underlying game mechanics to keep it casual-friendly somehow so players had to test the shit out of mechanics themselves to learn things like aggro values, uncrushability, weapon proc rates, talent behavior, spell damage coefficients, etc. It was a right pain in the ass to get solid info at the time and Blizzard would only give very piecemeal information about how mechanics work. Keeping the playerbase ignorant of the game really didn't help WoW any though.

Also dungeon sets weren't that good for raiding. If you wanted a real set of raid-worthy gear you were getting crafted gear and mix and matching various other dungeon and perhaps PvP items instead of wearing the dungeon set. But a lot of idiots did try to raid in dungeon sets.

They mainly contributed various raid blessings, auras, and perhaps judgements. They were also extremely mana-efficient healers since all their spells had lower cost and crits refunded mana costs. There were also Paladins who tried their hand at tanking, but that went sideways in 1.9 when Seal of Fury got replaced with Righteous Fury. Seal of Fury gave a so-so bonus threat on attack with a Judgement debuff which gave a massive boost to threat when they did holy damage. They did that because they figured Paladins have crap cooldown offensive holy spells anyway, which is true, but if a Paladin went Holy Shield + Blessing of Sanctuary + Retribution Aura + Seal of Righteousness + Consecration with a Judgement of Fury they could generate absolutely unstoppable threat… if you knew the trick, which I think most players didn't, and they still mitigated damage worse than a Warrior. Once Righteous Fury came in Paladins got a rather large threat multiplier on holy damage instead, which made single-target threat a big pain in the ass but they became the best AoE tanks for locking down aggro… assuming you bothered to gear and spec for that while you were still playing healer. Your average Paladin was really just a mana-efficient but poorly scaling healer and buff dispenser.

There were feral offtanks leaning on their absurd armor, but that didn't really go well since they didn't really get shit like defense or uncrushability. Not sure how strong their aggro was either. Druids definitely had a role as the most powerful single-target healers once they got past their mana issues, but they were an amazing failure as a jack of all trades, since cat DPS was a joke, bear tanking was underwhelming, and balance DPS was just weak. They were very good for PvP battlegrounds though.

Oh yeah. Mods were flat-out mandatory for skilled WoW play. And WoW players were incredibly awful unless you had the luck of playing on a seriously hardcore server.

I think "hunter item" was a WoW meme referring to how bad hunter players would try to grab anything and everything.

Blizzard was really garbage about that. They thought keeping the mechanics hidden somehow made the game more casual friendly or shit but if you were playing endgame you had to know that stuff anyway so really they were just being dumbasses fucking shit up for their players.

The real appeal of WoW at the time was the massive amount of people who were playing it, the scenery, and the PvP scene. That was where the game got a lot more fun once you got good at it and developed answers to Rogues ganking you all the time.

Ultima Online was not like that, and it's probably the best MMORPG of all time. I think it also launched the MMORPG genre from the MUDs of yore.

Sylvanas looks like the shamwow guy.

Oh dear god, it's true. Voca, if you're out there, you're such a creepy bitch.

Whatever, I'm done with MMOs for awhile after getting burned by Black Desert.

>Blizzard's whole talent system was a mistake and you know they knew that all along

If it weren't for the Blizzard fans and their
'consumer loyalty', this would be the most disappointing and anger-inducing.

Do you have half a friend?

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There is literally nothing wrong with this.

It doesn't change the fact people think Vanilla was "hardcore" the only hardcore aspect was that is took forever to do anything because soloing anything was not viable outside some mage tricks, and completely inefficient.

It took shitloads of time mostly, yeah. The only thing hardcore about that was your dedication to timewasting. They could have doubled the amount of loot drops and saved people a ton of grief at the least but WoW was a game made by EQ faggots for EQ faggots. The top-end raid scene actually did require a solid bit of knowing wtf you're doing (and an ungodly amount of gearing and buffing and other shit), but the most hardcore thing about WoW was PvP and that shit was mainly accidental with a lot of patchwork fixes. Once WoW got serious about rebalancing for PvP in later expansions it was all downhill because they did that stupid shit where they homogenize and sterilize the fuck out of everything. Even in Burning Crusade they already started nerfing procs and potions and trinkets with a vengeance and turning a lot of stats into retarded level-scaled rating shit and I think they had extra-limited PvP Arenas too.

As for soloing, I think Druids and Rogues and Hunters also had their share of solo shit, but for the game was overwhelmingly geared towards team play which was frequently a challenge for all the wrong reasons.

Why wouldn't he know he had a son? The woman he had the son with has been with him the entire time since he left for Outland. He probably saw her give birth to him.

Considering how the Warcraft lore pretty much says that Elves are Night Elves with some magic exposure/dependence shit, an Elf turning back into a Night Elf is not that weird. Hell, they could even say that she reverted to a night elf by overcoming her magic dependence.

I'd sooner be disappointed by the shit plot, except I don't really have fucks left to give about WoW writing.

Now don't be unfair, they make new mounts and pets for the Blizzshop every few months.

Are we gonna get source on this, or what?

These kinds of threads usually have a lot of exaggeration and half-truths. In fact, I'm pretty sure it's the same fucking OP every time.

This thread however is all correct, except for the first point. Jay officially "left" Blizzard, but there's nothing suggesting he was fired. If he were to be fired he would've been so way back during the D3 disaster.

The rest are bits and pieces scrapped together from MMOC. The landmass being cut is the latest in this series of blunders. You'd think after the Farahlon backlash that THIS would be the one they'd try not to fuck up.

Very rarely do you hear someone got fired, you would be very naive to think he didnt get fired because noone announced it. Pretty sure Jay didnt leave blizzard just before finishing a project to go write a book.

Jay Wilson should never be allowed to touch another game after what he did to Diablo 3.

It was none of those, which shows it really must be truly that every guild has one of these women.

Threat of Thassarian was only added in a late WotLK talent reshuffle. Early on the only viable dual wield build was 32/39 Frost/Unholy, a frankenstein spec built around Runic Power with Death Coil as its hardest hitting ability. It was unique in that it was optimal DPS to use two fast

Wait a fucking second.

What is the wage/salary of Blizzard's WoW writers?

Too high

I really, really hate the current trend of reboots but in this case it might be the only acceptable solution. Just purge everything and start fresh.

Or better yet, go back in time to right before Garrosh took over the horde and fucking undo everything that happened after WoTLK. Then start again from there.

thoras has been dead since like wc3, there shouldnt be any of his fucking body left to resurrect by now

Doesnt matter how a character died or when or what happened to their body. Even if it did they will pull some caverns of time bullshit

why did they pick those 4 randoms anyway lol? i can see whitemane and fordring, nazgrim is pretty bizarre and thoras is a literally who at this point

i wonder if the blizzard higher ups genuinely believe they are still competent and making interesting work or if they just dont care and know they have enough drones to consume whatever they squeeze out between coke sessions

Most of this shit are lies.

Kill me, Pete

Fucking gravedancing sons of bitches!

So, are they a legit couple? Or do they hang around the same area and OP was exaggerating?

Kill me, Pete

higher ups are just happy when team smash something together to make money so rest of company can spent time to make new cash cow, look like they found it in overwatch so maybe wow will finally be but rest.

Heya, Navarro. Doing okay outside of your safe space?

I never played WoW, but I pity those of you that did. Nothing's worse than watching someone rape the corpse of something you loved.

Fuck Blizzard.

They interacted a lot in the MoP legendary questline, but it was platonic. All this shipping shit is purely fujoshi shit.