ITT: Holla Forums lists the most patrician of the Video Games
Inbetween mindless arcade fun and pretentious* hipster attention seeking none games there is a special little valley on the graph. Games that are art, that do make you think about a specific subject matter the creators worked hard to craft and at the same time remain solid videogames.
Which games meet this criteria for you? What games would you recommend as real art that is also an amazing game instead of the hipster walking simulator wank hipsters make because making real games is too hard?
Pics related should be obvious.
*Pretention in this case is the act of acting or making something knowing it has absolutely no meaning pretending it has depth and therefore greater merit to fool the general public and does not set out to do what is intent i.e: make a work of art that can be enjoyed entirely as a solid videogame if you ignore the artistry involved. See amnesia, a machine for pigs.
Parker Fisher
The ones that i like.
Levi Ortiz
This. Everything is plebeian garbage.
Carter Reed
Step aside, niggers.
Andrew Reyes
But does it include "come ouuuut to plaaaaayyyaaayyyyyy!"
This is important.
Nathaniel Garcia
undertale :^)
Zachary Ross
but honestly undertale is as good, if not better than the games you posted op. :^)
Leo Ortiz
I think a key problem is that many people want to hold criteria against video games that are held against movies or books. The only problem is, they are not movies or books.
I think criticisms of narratives hold against all three because they all contain narratives. And games have mechanics that can be used to intertwine the narratives with the mechanics of the medium (in the same way film and novels do). But I feel like this is held up as the artistic quality, which means the criteria people have for games as art is a quality that is incidental to the medium itself.
I think Super Mario Bros. is a work of art. It is elegant in almost every way. From controls, to game play, to overall experience, to difficulty curve. Art style, sound, and overall presentation.
Do you see what I mean? To evaluate video game, it needs to be evaluated on the qualities that are related to the medium itself, and not simply incidental qualities. So something like a powerful narrative is only relevant insofar as it is intertwined with the medium, and not just the narrative itself.
Not that I am accusing anyone here of doing this, but I think it's an important distinction all the same when starting one of these conversations.
Oliver Cox
I was so pissed off about the lack of gameplay in that shit. Didn't know that it was made by the guys who made that walking simulator(name eludes me). Thank god, I didn't pay for it.
Grayson Evans
This should be the only description necessary to define games as art, at least in the classical sense. The modern conception of art is a very, very new idea.
That said, sympathetic as I am to compiling games that deliver a message effectively by using the medium, you know this thread isn't going to go well.
Isaiah Carter
See I'd disagree, MGS3 is a nearly self-contained story, it's excellent but it's not some deep introverting think piece, that's MGS2, the absolute, definitive, near perfect criticism of the industry, gamers, and video games as a medium.
If it hadn't dropped the ball hard on the game play department by using SH like camera angles it would've probably be THE MGS rather than 3. But even in it's flawed state as a game it's a better artistic statement,.
I disagree on the basis that every medium is nothing more than a link between creator(s) and end user. Heavely narrative/writing reliant games like MGS2, Planescape or purer games like SMB2, Devil May Cry are all shining example of vidya, because all of those manage to nearly perfectly carry the message of the author to the user, from MGS2 post-modern analysis of the decadence of vidya, to the simple "have fun" of SMB2 or the "Have Stylish fun" of Devil May Cry(PS2)
Lucas Gutierrez
The top-down camera in MGS2 is the essentially the same as it was in the previous three games, works fine, and is not even remotely like SH.
The camera in SH is also brilliantly executed in every way.
William Gray
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Charles Gray
Thank you for proving my point, in that the narrative is only relevant insofar as it interacts with the mechanics of the medium. They aren't great games because they have great stories, they are great games with great stories.
The ultimate test of this is: if you took the story out, writing and all, and made it a book, would it be better or worse than the game?
Ian Fisher
I haven't played any of the RE games yet. Should I play the gamecube remake on my Wii or the pc remake?
Zachary Gutierrez
Depends on what you prefer.
Tyler Green
Or made it into any other medium. Team Silent borrowed a lot of cinematic influence into the trilogy and self-described the games as interactive films, before "cinematic" carried the stigma it does now. Although the games are relatively linear in terms of the narrative, they couldn't possibly be made into films. There's no way the detail in the environmental storytelling would translate into film and the pacing would be completely wrong, not to mention the removal of interactivity would undermine the subtle tension.
For story-heavy RPGs like Torment, or Pathologic, I don't think it could even be translated into a printed medium, it would have to be a choose-your-own-adventure novel twice the length of War and Peace.
The HD Remaster on PC has some history of performance issues, but it should be simple to fix. If I recall correctly it was just a .ini edit.
Kevin Taylor
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Levi Taylor
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Benjamin Brooks
Yes
Alexander Perry
Well. It makes you think what it truly means to be a hero. To not only face people above your pay grade but be willing to stand your ground regardless of what the outcome may mean. Quite honestly a hero team hasn't touched my cold and callus heart in a long time the way these heroes did.
Dylan Jones
Oh come on Holla Forums, quit being so edgy. These are true patrician "games".
Cameron Rogers
anybody who disagrees can go eat shit
Oliver Hill
The Yankee box art is awful but it's a damn fine game
God I hope Last Guardian won't be shit
Jordan Hughes
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Eli Cook
I play games i like
Mason Martinez
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Jacob Baker
Notice the many ps2 titles in here
Jason White
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Luis Robinson
It's obscure even on Holla Forums, so that automatically means its good.
Eli Johnson
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Christian Johnson
Also, pic related. I bet none of you patricians even played this one.
Jonathan Thompson
I'm a simple man.
John Cook
STEP ASIDE FAGS
Ryan Thompson
Why not name Twin Snakes while you're at it, faggot?
Dylan Lee
You were clearly not paritican enough.
Nolan Hughes
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Jackson Turner
MGS1, 2 and 3 are all top tier games, the series took a nosedive beyond that though.
Daniel Jenkins
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Bentley Cooper
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James Perez
It really is casuals, nostalgiafags and contrarians on this board
Nicholas Young
At least post a videogame faggot.
Jeremiah Martinez
Imagine that i am not baiting you and actually had fun with it, that you won't have.
David Price
And that makes 13 actual patrician games
Easton Perez
My nigger.
Oliver Brown
Should I play the whole trilogy or just infinity?
Evan Ward
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My nomination is Sengoku Rance. It had serviceable story with interesting lore once you take into account all of the shit that's in the Rance series, a varied cast of colorful characters and a main character that's fucking great, a hype as fuck soundtrack, excellent, simple gameplay mechanics that become more complex the more you keep playing, a difficulty setting that is just right for your first playthrough (even though some may need to restart when they realize they did retarded decisions) and lots of little nods and extras that encourage you to play the game over and over again to see what you could have missed, as well as NG+ extras. It also had a great way to integrate porn into the gameplay without sacrificing either too much.
It's one of the best examples of a game that had quality in all of its areas and then some more. The only thing that could use some improving is the art, and even then it's not godawful.
Adrian Cruz
okay, shit gameplay, no replay value, but thats how you tell a story in fucking video games wat nig you said patrician 1/10, i took the bait