TECHMO-KOEI MAKES JAP CASUALS GET BTFO

Controls were a separate category in the survey

Well America has always been more hardcore than Japan with SNES and Genesis games getting harder in US release.

Look at the graphs and see for yourself what they meant before sucking on those yellow dicks

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Did hell just freeze over?

I was shit at this game and kept dying to groups of enemies but I didn't play it for long because I was busy with something else at the time. It seemed pretty fun though and I enjoyed it despite being a casual who never finished the first level, looking forward to the next demo so I can actually give it more of a go.

People complained about the difficulty but I think the biggest problem for most was that they didn't have a tutorial or give players a chance to get used to the mechanics. If they want it to be more accessible then they would be better of making sure the final game has a goodbut also skippable tutorial so that people get a chance to practice more. The demo had you fight one guy straight away, then two guys around the next corner followed by three guys after that but the instruction messages were spread out throughout the level past enemies rather than at the start. I'd already figured out the controls or mechanics by the time I found most of the instruction messages because you had to fight a load of enemies to get to them.

It means they like grinding more than actual skill
Just see the japanese pvp scene for dark souls.

I think a lot of people on this board would honestly be surprised how fucking casual Japan is.
Like, they all play mobileshit and easy handheld games. The average casual in the West is a hardcore gamer over there.

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Are you me? Because that is pretty much what happened to me. I was busy with Bloodborne and didn't feel like sinking time into the alpha of another action game, especially when it threw me into the deep end so to speak.

I'll definitely try the demo when it comes out.

But it's not only on terms of difficulty, the Asians scored the game harsher than the westerners on everything. I think it's part because the japs are worse at 3d games and part more of them think the game is shit overall.

Hey, I'm not in defense of them Japs, I already stated that they've proven to have shit taste over and over, but bad controls do make a game harder.
The fact that scored difficulty and controls low may have a correlation. That fact that Europe and USA don't seem to care, of course, contests this. I haven't played Nioh, though, so I dunno who's right.
Just wanted to make myself clear.

Explain?

Most demos I've played just chuck you into the game, so this isn't really that odd. Are the controls particularly tricky or are the mechanics unique? Could you pick up the controller and easily guess how to play after seeing the controller map? If not, then yeah it probably needed a better tutorial.

The Japanese PVP scene for Dark souls involves people grinding to absurdly high levels and having full screen health and stamina bars in full havels.

While in the west pc users save time by just doing it with cheat engine :^)

How is that any different than Zaphander Havel Dad's? Aside from the pointless grind.

Or did I just answer my own question? Seems pointless to me.

Where's the source?

Better than wasting 3 full days to get to that level :^)

Its all a fake specifically constructed to spite you.

Nioh is a bit unique and some things with it will throw you off if you play it like a souls game. Most notably when you run out of ki/stamina in Nioh you get can't move for about 2 seconds, which makes paying attention to your ki and using the re-stance thing more important. It took me some getting used to but once I got a feel for doing a few hits, pausing a moment and hitting R1 to get my ki back it lets you stay on the offense for much longer. Another thing is your dodge is on X instead of O.

For me the controls were nothing a bit of playing around with for a few minutes couldn't fix.

pvpfags truly are cancer, I bet you get mad if the invader doesn't bow at you too

You don't need to stop leveling at 120, you need to be autistic to get that high in the first place.
You'd defend the gooks even while they rape your sister.

How fucking new are you faggots to not know that the Japs are terrible at games? This has been well known since forever.

Koreans in SC2 != Asians in all games

I bet hes mexican.

I think this is the part OP is referring to.

I already said the japs are shit at 3d games, can you read?
Also if you 100% the game you easily get enough souls for lv 180, unless you spend them on retarded shit like 999 of every arrow.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying they should have had a full tutorial in the alpha or anything, it's just that may be why a lot of people struggled. The full game could use a better starting area that lets you ease into the game more slowly rather than having to fight multiple enemies at once straight away.

You can learn the game through trial and error but it's a shit introduction for most people and gives you little chance to get to grips with it. You could make a demo of Dark souls where you start in Anor londo and fight O&S as the first boss and people will eventually learn the game and get through it but that doesn't make it a good introductory area.

I never bothered much with PvP but i'm pretty sure the reason they stopped there was because thats when most builds completed and any higher made all the builds just turn into the same thing because all the stats hit their caps. Even without that it's just a standard everyone stays at so they get matched up together.

This game is just getting better and better.

Got a new trailer.

The thing is there more mechanic to it like the stance mechanic and that animal guardian thing or whatever that you can choose at the beginning. I still dont know what the stance are for.

Are you comparing fighting the equivalent of an undead burg enemy with ornstein and smough?

Is this that 'moving the goalposts' thing uncle Holla Forums told me about?

You know before modern games designed for casuals you didn't get a "MEGAMANMEGAMAN, DONT FORGET TO USE YOUR DOUBLE JUMP!" retard booster message, right?

The stances are fast, medium and slow attacks.

Now where did I hear this before ? I'm not saying nips aren't extremely casual, but that's still a dangerous mindset.

dayum looks cool

go back to play candycrush

MACHINIMA
Someone fucking post an .mp4

Hey Holla Forums. He's right, you know. You've been wasting your life on video games.

Do more sport, read more literature, deepen your spirituality and find a true faith. Time to grow up and start prepping yourself for the few decades of your life AND your afterlife. Hardcore games, 2D/3D porns, and other cheap entertainments are for restless teenagers. BE A MAN.

At least the game have an actual story rather than Dark Souls "figure out the lore yourself" story.

You mean be a hardcore conformist.

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aesthetic ≠ game mechanics

Doesnt "Asia" include 3rd world countries like the Philippines and Indonesia?

This is pretty much the reason the Meta exists, so variation builds exist instead of it being like Dark Souls 2's soul memory where everyone was a hexjoker havel with lightning spears

Good news, Koei always release musou game for you

is it being funded by sony?
kekmo has been putting lots of stuff on pc, for better or worse

Have you seen what a conformist these days look like? Everyone's either a workaholic, a degenerate like you, or both. No one has a faith or truly cares about spirituality anymore, they just want to be accepted by the society and enjoy their life. Don't be like them, be a man.

I'll give you every other point but come on, almost all spirituality is focused on acceptance from others

Yeah but they dont care about them. Its like argentinians telling europe they are "white too".

Pretty much, other Asian countries only used the Philippines as a new source of revenue and Indonesia is full of muslims.

Eh, not really. Spirituality is a process of seeking for the reason of your existence. This should be the priority of every person on earth. Who cares about being accepted by society?

Jersey shore and celebrity culture is more popular than ever
You don't even know about the world you live in and you think your "advice" is worthwhile?

Yeah but the demo was released there too so wouldnt their opinions filed under Asia?

japan, korea, malaysia.

its like how games in english dont give a fuck about places like whales or southern ireland.

Degeneracy comes in so many forms.

What else would you expect from an island full of console peasants who are to stupid to know how a computer works.

spoken like a true conformist

thats not how you spell mobile apps.

lmao, weebs are cancer

I want to believe~

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Why is it that going to churches are considered a social activity?
Why is it that in order for cults to propagate they resort to love bombing tactics?
Hell, how is it that spirituality isn't social, when the majority of religion to grow and spread; has to interact with other people?

Not trying to be a fedora tipper but the process of existentialism is very much rooted over either what other people think of you, what others believe then whether or not you believe that.

Unless you're proposing through spirituality to make a new religion from the ground up or become a silent secluded monk on a mountain seeking it yourself isn't really going to happen

muh nigga

I already figured it out. Nothing matters in life and all human virtues go contrary to nature otherwise it would be too much to deal with. It's a comfort thing.

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nigga just stop. You're seeing americanized made-for-tv church going and calling it existentialism as a whole. It doesn't work like that.

What kind of an existence is where you're invisible to everyone, have made no impact on anything, and nobody cares when you die? How can that be called living?

Before I die, I want to at the very least be remembered instead of dying in my chair like a lonely NEET, even if it's just a handful of strangers on the internet or my family. Be it through being remembered as 'that guy', or through making something like a game people will still play in the future. Perhaps the only way we can know if we have truly lived is if our existence is acknowledged by others, even if it's just one person.

Japs probably thought it was too easy, you pleb.

Soulsfags out in force. You can have a decent tutorial/opening level without casualizing everything, it's not fucking hard. Are you going to tell me to "git gud" next? Maybe post a giant dad pic?

The jews dont fear these samurai.

The whole point of Existentialism is thinking you have to have a purpose or reason for existing, I understand that fully. But by the same token, what would be the reason? The purpose to have a purpose? Is it an Egotism thing? Or is it something to believe in? And in which case, why do most people need something to believe in? Is existentialism the same as spirituality in this case?

Honestly please tell me, I've no idea

Modern japanese gamers play grinding cash shop tappy tap mobile games almost exclusively.

FFXIV is the only thing gooks play anymore not on mobiles or handhelds.

Your folded 1000 times master race are more casual than the meathead dudebros pounding cans of monster energy drink and playing halo 5 on their xbones.

This is the real world Neo.

If this is true, then holy shit, what could amount to the more casual of Soulsfags have protected Nioh.

WELCOME TO THE BIZARRO UNIVERSE

I'm sorry to tell you user but the PC userbase is the most casual. When Dark Souls 1 came out on PC "artificial difficulty" skyrocketed on google and halfchan Holla Forums was full of people asking for guides to set up cheat engine to get past taurus demon.

Hot bar combat ruined them.

Disgusting

The reason of my existence is playing megasweet games and having a fun time. Why would god want anything else from us? Why would not pleasing ourselves please a higher power? Why are neon effects way cooler than anything god has done in recorded history?

Why does god hate fun?

No it didn't. Don't make shit up faggot. Anyone who struggled on Holla Forums back in those days wasn't Holla Forums.

You know saying "no it didn't" doesnt somehow retroactively alter reality and the passage of time to make it not happen right?

Sorry it doesnt fit your "master race" narrative m'lord.

You have exposed the myth of mustard superiority. They will never forgive you for this.

I had no issues. The thing is Holla Forums used to be way different years ago. Whatever I guess, no one cares

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I can usually deal with "shitty controls". Most of the time when people complain about shitty controls, what they actually mean is that something is diverging from the 2 or 3 homogenised control schemes that every game uses these days, and you actually have to spend a little bit of time to figure out how the game works.

The peak was in 2004.

Dark Souls is artificial difficulty. Learning a few attack patterns and making memes about dying a lot has nothing to do with being "hardcore". For fucks sake it doesn't even play very smoothly which just makes it that more retarded.

And between COD kids on consoles that are playing a shooter with a fucking gamepad and DOTA-like fucktards on PC there is no such thing as a "hardcore" platform or even "less causal" platform. The majority of consumers on both PC and consoles are casual scum.

How is that not a part of real difficulty. Real difficulty involves learning the game and developing skills around it.

who was it?

Japs complaining about difficulty?
Are we in bizarro world now?
What happend to the "difficulty Lv Asian" meme?
where i'm from the ones who are stereotyped as lazy casuals who enjoy hand holding and easy games are the Burgers, not the Japs

Being good at Dark Soul would mean you have finished the game with minimal death. That would mean you have spend minimal time learning attack patterns you just reacted fast and beat the game, though being defensive is not very hard in modern games to begin with. Real skills is acting on the moment, not dying like bitch and eventually memorising every corner of the game. That is what autistic children do and it has nothing to do with real skill.

Monster Hunter fried their brains.

People have got this idea that if you die a few times before getting a feel for the patterns of a particular enemy, it's not real difficulty, because the game tricked you or something.

Probably meant dark souls is more about memorization then anything. Once you learn the bosses movements/attacks it becomes trivial, at least to some.

???

One of the rare occasions where I want Jap devs to pander to the West.

Japs are either extremely autistic with god-tier skills or absolute scrubs, and almost nothing in-between it seems. Needless to say, the ones that are good at games must be a tiny minority, seeing as casual handheld shit dominates their market.

Japs are fucked by demographics and terrible working conditions. Most of them don't have time for anything but casual anymore.

Sure, except they were dumbing down games for their audience for tens of years now.
Both Ultima and Wizardry were brought to JP as FF and DQ and dumbed down in terms of complexity and difficulty.

Learning patterns is not even part that is hard. It's actually discovering how to upgrade weapons. After that it's easy mode. S&O on 4th try, Capra Demon on 4th try, rest of them is on average on 2-3rd attempt. except for Gargoyles, Gwyn and specific bosses like Bed of Chaos. This is coming from someone who uses gamepad 5% of the time and considers himself not to be hardcore player. Souls hardcore reputation is most overrated thing in universe.

Handhelds and phones dominate the market because a lot of people, even normal people, play something while travelling in their trains. Of course this also makes people to get used to bad things, but the majority of those people don't even own a TV console anyway.

That's probably cus gettin a PSP or a 3DS is a fuckload cheaper over there, Casual games became viral in the west once everyone could afford a cellphone that could play them

Also many portable consols ar full of JRPGs and retro inspired games so that also helps to boost the slaes. sum to that the point made by and the fact that they have very low birth rates and thus very few youngsters with enough time to become the hardcore jap gamers of our stereotypes and that's probably the reason why portables became so popular

definitely final fantasy XI.

I dont know how the market was back then

Absolute virtue is artificial difficulty tho
The devs patched every single method people used to beat it.

The bosses had too much HP

you had one job

Casual handheld shit means mobile games. 3DS and PSP are still full fledged gaming handhelds.

that meme died a long time ago
for older examples

Sorry, I fucked up and listed them backwards, I meant to say that

European extreme mode exists for a reason.

Only a very small subset of asians is tryhard/hardcore, but only because they get so obsessed with a SINGLE game they don't know how to play anything else.

I somehow always figured that was a porn reference.
Whatever happened to the days of the US getting the bitch babby version of Mega Man 2, where Japan's normal mode was our hard mode??

Fuck.

honestly?
probably poor black and white kids.

Arcads were dead so they had home consoles to fight over, poor parents needed games that lastest and gave their moneys worth.

Why do you think blacks love fighting games and whites love jrpgs.

Its the timesink meng.

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Who are you and where do you come from?

ur mum LOL

AMERICA NUMBER 1 BABY

says the autistic super-virgin loser incel :)

@ being fat & sucking jew dick

dunno, you could tell us plenty about your sad life though?

BROTHERRRRRRRR

ITS BEEN TOO LOONNNNNG

You must be anally ravaged.

The ki pulse mechanic was poorly explained. But the game was perfectly fine.

But user, it says: Americas

(checked)

I AM REAL AMERICAN

Son, papa bongland is proud again.

I hoping not, but I'm expecting things to go badly on that front.

Hopefully they learned from the disaster that was Ninja Gaiden 3.

You can say what you want about Sony but you cannot deny that they let their devs do whatever the fuck they want. Just look at David Cage's career.

Sony knows how to play the crowd. Hes back, thats all they need.

Now he can go. fucking. crazy.

← murrican soulsfag's face when you consider making Nioh less difficult

You're goddamn right.

Now he can makie movies with David Cage.

He can point and laugh as he rides his san fran segway past cages falbby french ass.

I can never decide if I really like alex jones or not. Or if he's just a crazy person. Or maybe both.

If you play against them in competition, it's really only a few stand outs. Most of the time the general way they go about things is just to rely on extreme prowess over the minutia, and copy the perceived best tactic. Fighting games they never drop a combo, but they seem to be quite shitty (go play on japanese servers, you will see what I mean. They might drop massive game ending combos, but you can easily clean up just by reading them since they conceal nothing and try the same thing every single time and never mix it up). Or in a game like pokemon. The first day of a new game, every single jap player will be running the exact same team, then rage quitting when you beat them.

Nips still dominate pretty hard in fighting games, arguably one of the hardest genres to get into. Though this could be due to arcades still being a thing in Japan.

I think it would be good OC if someone could do a decent Alex Jones impression.
W lowered difficulty! X lowered difficulty! Y lowered difficulty! Z lowered difficulty! And I'm here to tell you.
THE VIDEO GAMES CRASH WILL COMMENCE AGAIN IF YOU TRY TO TAKE OUR DIFFICULTY!
DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY LEMMINGS YOU GET OUT THERE ON THE STREET BEGGIN' FOR 'EM TO HAVE THEIR DIFFICULTY TAKEN!
WE WILL NOT RELINQUISH IT! DO YOU UNDERSTAND?!

but
sales=shekels=rice in bowl, roof over head and wife not leaving you and taking the kids

If they need to pander, then they need to pander. Game doesn't get sectioned arbitrarily in respect to this,because you're selling the whole thing.

There's been a lot of great interviews recently about this very thing on eventhubs.

A lot of the top Japanese players are pointing out that the European and American scenes are catching up extremely fast, and that japan is falling because there aren't new players showing up in japan. But that the current ones remain strong because the training pool is better. They simply get more opportunities to practice with other good players. Not only that, it isn't "all japanese", it's just the same handful of top players.

It's why you are seeing so many people network in the U.S. these days. People are practicing a lot more with each other and there are a lot of great community initiatives to do so.

Japs fucking suck at video games.

oh my

japan is twenty percent
the west barely scratches 2 percent.

fucking japan.

I guess the nips were looking for a story reason to fight monsters.

Old white dude clearly not faggy enough. Maybe the new girl will ease their worry with that.

damn straight.

Holy fuck. Japan is the casuals.

This upends everything I believed.

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Japs are probably good at fighting games because of the urban make up of Japan. Lots of Americans who live more rurally or in small towns don't have the opportunity to even play with other people because there is no place to gather and the only kind of social clubs we have out here is the gun club and horse racing.
t. oklahoman

AMERICA WINZ AGIAN!! WEW

NES or Modern?

wew

I miss good old vana'diel, but fuck that. Square-Enix had that and the Pandemonium Warden incident as a fucking wake up call to actually let the players kill shit

Obviously Mission Impossible, how else would they have made it such an impossible mission to do?

You're reaching now

This doesn't really surprise me considering that in a JRPG it's commonly recommended, that if you can't progress past a boss or hard fight, to just go back and grind some more.

Whereas in WRPGs conventionally you can't "grind" to win as enemies don't respawn or you're limited in maximum power, so if you can't progress past a particular boss or encounter, you actually have to get good and learn to play better instead of just grinding for a higher level.

Often times, the difficulty was cranked up in 8 and 16-bit games to prevent players from completing them during a rental.

Westerners are accustomed to full control customization, so that can't be it.

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sauce?

I wouldn't call them braindead, more like autism. They suck at action game but like game that require micromanagement like turn based game, and grinding, lots and lots of grinding