"Kaplan, Mirkarimi and Kim are all major political figures in Oakland and San Francisco. They all used the Green Party as a stepping stone into the Democratic Party, building left-progressive credentials and developing a base of support, then abandoning the Green Party when it suited their career. Of course, the Green Party cannot control every individual that enters its ranks, but it has shown no interest in doing anything about this problem. It appears to be perfectly happy to be a stepping stone for other people’s political aspirations. So long as there are people coming into the Green Party and campaigns that get some support and so long as there is an active base, everybody can feel like the Green Party is doing something positive and that is about all they want."
"When people say that the Green Party can be an alternative to the Democratic Party, I wonder which Green Party they are talking about. This is the party that in 2004 ran David Cobb against Ralph Nader (who ran as an independent) because Nader was too opposed to the Democratic Party. Instead, Cobb ran a 'safe state' campaign to assure that he would not hurt John Kerry’s chances against George W. Bush in states where the race was close. Fortunately for Cobb, his campaign was so irrelevant that it hardly mattered."
Proles have no interest in the leadership of the apparatus of bourgeois dictatorship.
The point of supporting the Green Party is similar to supporting S█████: building an alternative political movement to the left of the Democrats. The point was never to get S█████ or the Greens elected, S█████ is a mild SocDem trying to save capitalism from itself and the Greens are a mess. If you're saying that creating some completely new independent left movement openly and strongly opposed to the Democrats would be better, you're right, but there's no time to organize something like that between now and November.
Angel Perry
it was more a means of raising awareness, but I'm not sure about it any more. I'm considering not voting.
Hudson Bailey
The American Green Party is fucking worthless, I've been saying this here for months. Just look at Jill Stein, she's an awful campaigner. Watch her interviews where she bobbles her head constantly and talks like she has tofu rammed up her ass.
A single labor union going on strike is worth more than all of the American "third party" alternatives combined.
Liam Johnson
Well its a political party so….
Austin Nguyen
Of what? Most workers are very aware that shit isn't working out too well for them.
The typical response would be: But the Green Party is no alternative. It can't escape the objective necessities of capitalism.
Thumbs up!
Every vote is a vote for capitalism
Oliver King
Fix'd
Adam Kelly
You lot really are just edgy liberals.
Isaiah Kelly
this guy gets it
Eli Hill
what else is new
Adrian Robinson
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Lincoln Bennett
I find the bobbling to be cute. Are you bitter about something, user?
What's wrong with the way she talks? She has a nice, soft feminine voice and doesn't have some unusual accent or speech impediment. Are you sure you're not the one with tofu up your ass?
Jack Adams
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Luis Jackson
It's another episode of:
mah comrades
Michael Cox
she doesn't act mature, she acts like she's some kind of fucking college student.
If you don't pick up a book today you will never survive the coming revolutionary insurrection; le secret de la liberté est d'éclairer les hommes, comme celui de la tyrannie et de les retenir dans l'ignorance.
Ryder Smith
Her voice is adorable and sexy af
Joseph Williams
if that trolly cannot kill anyone there are better issues to worry about than those four bondage fetishists
Brody Baker
get out
Aaron Jackson
Who gives a shit if they joined the Dems when they decided to get some shit done? It's what B████ ██████ did.
Connor Rodriguez
Is Vermin Supreme just the political version of Moondog?
Zachary Peterson
Of course, it is banal to point out that the trolley cannot kill anyone; it is just a drawing.
Jayden Edwards
Not really. Vermin Supreme is a satirist; Moondog is a brilliant street musician.
Juan Brown
What the fuck does not voting achieve that voting for the greens doesn't?
Oliver Price
Market socialist's syllogism:
1 - We must do something 2 - This is something 3 - Therefore, we must do this.
Hunter Cook
Leftcom's syllogism: 1 - We must achieve communism 2 - Communism can only be achieved through these ideal methods and any deviation from this incredibly narrow path will never succeed 3 - Therefore we must spend all our time sitting around doing nothing and shit talking other leftists
Matthew Clark
Vermin is more of a bad ass mother fucker. Boots beat viking helmets every time.
NOW FUCKERS, GOT ON THE VERMIN HYPE TRAIN, DOOT DOOT MOTHER FUCKERS!
Jayden Jackson
ftftfy
Grayson Powell
At this point you may as well stop trying and just post "NO U" reaction images. (gotta admit I lol'd though)
Elijah Gonzalez
Someone make an ideology ball
Leo Barnes
Here.
Tyler Sullivan
hes anarchists so here
Bentley Peterson
I was going from the colour of his coat. I tried to make it a distinct shade from the ancap yellow and figured the tiger stripes were enough to avoid confusion.
Gavin Morgan
Fucking mint comrades
Logan Hernandez
Did i do gud comrades?
Leo Robinson
Brilliant
Connor Jenkins
Well done. I cleaned it up a little.
Hudson Reyes
derailing this thread for a better topic: Why does cointelpro use leftcom and annihil flags for shitposting?
Bentley Davis
lmfao, kys anarkiddie
Leo Wright
we must spread this to the masses
Ryder Fisher
Absolutely saved.
Ryder Gray
vermin bump
Lucas Murphy
It doesn't "achieve" anything, but supporting a bourgeois party is worse than nothing. It's a step backwards. The proletariat must have as little interaction with the state as possible, and organize itself outside and against the state.
Evan Lopez
So, how is it going? Any Leftcom movement gaining traction?
Brandon Foster
that isn't a thing
Communism is the movement, whether the people involved call themselves "left communists" or not.
But no, communism isn't doing too great.
Cooper Evans
Wtf I like leftcommunism now
Luke Cook
I still don't know how are you planning to a make a mass communist movement. And I'm not talking about creating an organization, but making it popular among workers.
Jacob Kelly
Now you're descending into Holla Forums levels of paranoid stupidity.
Adam Jenkins
Disregard the 'sage' in the name field.
Nolan Sanders
Thats kind of extreme don't you think? What kind of interaction are you talking about?
William Davis
smh tbh fam
Ethan Thomas
Proles do have an interest in disrupting the apparatus of bourgeois dictatorship. Porky wants Clinton, so it's in the interest of the proles to not give them Clinton.
Then danger is in letting the media paint the fallout of a Trump presidency as the fault of the proles because they "voted for him." The one people want and have always wanted has been S█████, but they fucked him and bit their thumbs at the workers just so they wouldn't have to pay more taxes.
So fuck 'em. We should support a vote for Stein under the same reasoning as S█████, not because either would bring us any closer to socialism, but because it thwarts the plans of the bourgeoisie.
James Roberts
Socialism/Communism is already popular among workers. Talk to anyone under thirty about socialism and they'll agree that that is the sort of thing we need right now. Talk with anyone over thirty about socialism without calling it socialism and they'll also be nodding their heads in agreement and decrying the broken, unfair economic system.
Parker Smith
That's nothing new, but I'm talking about the practical aspect, I want to see the proletariat "organizing itself outside and against the state".
Nathaniel Jones
Please respond.
Nathaniel Phillips
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Jack Foster
I wish she would stop pandering to the burnt out hippie demographic. A mistrust of the pharmacological industry is fine, but that doesn't have to involve the antivaxxer retards, and her fear of nuclear just reeks of ignorance. For being a doctor I feel like she is either out-of-the-loop (unlikely) or wants to scrape the bottom of the socialist barrel including the washed up Sonoma state dropouts who hate their corporate dads.
I'm not voting anyway. Leftcom poster being all like >it wont unite the working class and bring revolution is just hilariously contrarian though.
Oliver Anderson
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Jackson Rivera
It's hard to say whether it's primarily Holla Forums, the major undercurrent of trying to make Holla Forums be nothing but nazis (hi nazbol retards), or "sjw" types insisting on making their strawman real and/or making a clear divide over bullshit issues while having no effect on reality whatsoever.
But there you go. The current state of slide thread #987312. OP: Go suck a dildo. If you want to radicalize people further, talk to them. Cutting off the radical support by bullshit thread likes this (and every single one of you faggots agreeing with them) is one step away from communist party #47, with a whole rooster of 5 members, insisting on a violent revolution regardless of what the people think.
Talk about making your ideology into your identity. That's not to say that I agree with the limits that Stein goes to, as yes she and the green party should go much further. Yes, there are sellout pigs in there, no doubt.
You fuckers though? Go idle on the trashheap. You're not even involved. You might as well be putting on your Trump or Clinton 2016 button as we speak.
Brandon Richardson
You're basically repeating CTR and Trump followers talking points in that post… do you even realize that? Her issue with vaccines was regarding old issues with vaccines (that were very real - stop trying to rewrite history in that regard; even while mercury is rarely used today, it used to be the case) and the program relating to it (as in, how many vaccines are you supposed to push into a kid, the stress on the body, etc. - these vary from country to country; the US is pretty batshit capitalist crazy on that rubbish).
Her issues with nuclear? What issue? If you don't have the geography for windmills, hydro-electricity generation, or geo-thermal, well… nuclear might be an option, but the nuclear industry? They're fucking crazy.
Nuclear waste from these facilities? We still can't deal with it in a proper manner. You're talking about electricity generation which' waste product we have to store somewhere, for centuries, without knowing what to do with it. While nuclear might be an option in certain scenarios, to make some sort of blatant statement like yours 'any scepticism of it is ignorant!' is fucking retarded.
You're talking about generation of energy where the waste product is something we can't do anything but store somewhere and hope for the best.
Of course you shouldn't be gung-ho about the use of it. Think you retard, fucking think.
Robert Rogers
You get that all the energy industries are fucking crazy right, or did you think that green capitalism was the future? Choke on your 'green' batteries ElonMusk/10
Also if I had a dollar for everyone that can even explain radioactive decay and still fears nuclear energy, I'd have zero fucking dollars. You are so petrified by fear that you can't even consider feasibility, it's like reading a philip dick novel tbh. Which is pretty ironic since moderate reprocessing and 50 years will reduce its radiation to a thousandth of its original levels. Plutonium with it's halflife of 24000 YEARS OMFG cant do shit to you unless you snort it like coke, it's the cesium (which is what reprocessing is for) that is scary for like 30 years. Also > not wanting your hometown to be chernobyl.
As for the vaccines, like really why give them any more power? If we want to talk about the hilarious overprescription of speed to kids, or the anti-depressants/psychotics we treat like cures when often having no fucking idea how they even work then I wouldn't have a problem - though I do think that she is more into calling out the entire industry rather than just vaccines which is neat.
But the more I see her speak the more my interest has been waning - she's a politician. She still has a lot going for her though, this wasn't a Stein is literally Hillary post and her comments on both Trump (*cough* DNC plant) and Clinton have been so dead on I sometimes tear up, but fuck ride her dick some more why don't you, or did you just want me to vote?
How about solving a time evolution differential before you open your mouth, retard.
Luke King
I clearly stated that if there is no other better option then it is an option, you're putting sounds down my urethra there.
Just because something is equal in its generation doesn't make it greater than, and if something has massive waste issues that we can't realistically deal with within our lifetime - but another form of generation of electricity does not… what kind of a complete and utter moron would you be to pick the former? An industry moron. There's another motivating factor. Money and profit.
Not sure what you're going on about there. Her initial comments in regards to vaccines are about old practices (that are still in place in some countries as far as I understand), and the program of vaccinations - as in, the totality of the stress of the body in producing antibodies at a young age for a far too big a number of issues. It varies from country to country. But when you have a completely profit driven system and an utterly malfunctioning regulatory agency tied to the government (that should, be overseeing this); of course you get 'proposals' for 'sales' of 'yet another vaccine' that might very well not be neccessary. At least not implemented as a regiment for injection 20+ of someone in their early teens.
The point is the motivation, behind it. Not the science put up as a shield.
I agree, like I said. She is trying to pander to a wider audience. Guess who is required to be involved to radicalize people further? We're not talking about some tiny group of people here, we're talking about millions of people who witnessed the absolute fraud which was the primary elections. These people need to be contacted, and worked with.
Not 'sit back and go "uh you ain't commies… fuck you all. Revolution will just spontaneously erupt! totally…"
Explain. Time evolution differential? What the fuck is your rotting brain trying to state, there.
Andrew Carter
Yeah, fuck those people who are trying to keep a flicker of class consciousness alive! You shits don't deserve a gulag. You don't deserve death. Come revolution you should be kept alive permanently with the best medicine and tortured forever. You are the ultimate counter revolutionaries.