My biggest problem with the state of Indie gaming is the fact that it isn't a fundamentally bad. It's just how it's being dominated by the progressive hipster clique and how it prides itself on retro pandering and stagnant conventions such as procedural generation, chiptune music and half baked Metroidvania level design.
So how do we purge this cancer and bring the Indie gaming industry to its potential? How do we make indie gaming great again?
We give more power to Cave Story, La-Mulana, and The Birth of Isaac devs.
We destroy SJWs and their no-skill, no-fun allowed artsy "experiences."
By making them yourself.
t. /agdg/
by pirating everything
This.
You actually support the indie gaming.
If you can't pay, at least be a part of the culture.
Many of these games are actually free. La-Mulana and Cave Story are freeware, although the remastered versions (Steam/3DS) are obviously on sale.
As an indie dev myself one of the biggest hurdles I saw was that regardless of what everyone tells one another here you still need the koolaid brigade. If your game doesn't get featured at least on Cucktaku or Polygone or Cucktoid you're going absolutely nowhere fast. I know from experience.
I tried reaching out just to the outlets that didn't take part in the "you're entitled!" shitstorms like ME3 and DmC, but didn't hear back from all of them and also they're still way too small to make a difference.
Word in the street is still a huge part of it. "just make game" isn't as cut and dry as we'd like to believe.
In the current year, if your game is good it'll sell, sooner or later due to word of the mouth.
I mean, look at STALKER and how many copies it sold by now, or Mount and Blade Warband.
You still need to be 'featured' to some capacity. People generally made the analogy with Cave Story or IWBTG (the latter of which I think is shit) but that's thinking every last person putting videos out there will just "go viral" overnight and find a huge audience.
Just make a decent game and it'll sell as long as you get greenlit for steam.
make yo own game
and don't worry if it takes years, you'll eventually finish it/start making it after years of learning
another option is to dig deeper and find obscure good games
Well we're already on the way there. Johnathan Blow(n the fuck out) didn't even recoop his costs on The Witness. The retarded Sunset devs had to shut down their studio for shit sales. Depression Quests has less than 150,000 downloads despite being fucking free.
We're already winning on those grounds.
I guess Greenlight does help with word of mouth.
Yeah, to clarify: there is a number of kitchen-sized publishers that can help you go on Steam by splitting the earnings so you can skip the fee to put your game there and the Greenlight waiting period.
When you're at the last stretch of years of development you really just want to put it out there. But Greenlight does help with visibility, but when you're worn out from having to make the game and having little time to dedicate to making cozy with social media and stuff, you'll tend to want to pick the fastest way to end up there.
Thanks goobergrape, oprebuild really made a difference
how about making good games to dominate the market? rather than games that where made big by advertising campaigns on twiter/tv where the normalfags go?
been working on a "percistant rts" clash of clans knock off but gutting the grind in favor of people actually losing buildings when you get raided. and overhauling the economy into a stronghold knock off.
What is your game, user?
How fucking naive you are? In the current year you pirate everything.
Purchase what you like; make your own shit if you're oh so outraged; stop trying to police what other make just because it doesn't suit your tastes and use that energy for something more constructive.
To sum it up: don't be an obnoxious faggot and just try to have fun.
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then tell me some actually good games that didn't sell at all.
Post your game here, faggot, and I'll play it.
Just log in tomorrow, say it's your friend's game and post a link.
This, friendo.
If you don't like current games, make your own.
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not shilling your own game everywhere you can?
its like you don't like free advertising
9 gag
facebook
twatter
hugelol
reddit
hitting up all the social media sites asking for help with how game works or strait up asking friends and family to give your mobile shit game a go and tell their friends. setting up a "social media presence" for your game… in twatter and facebook not pretending to just being a hardcore fan who wants more people to play with when you are called out for shilling on proxie (9gag/hugelol/reddit/twatter) accounts posting porn of your game on 4chan /d/ **its like the number one secondary board that everyone visits but no one wants to admit to.
if your not cheating your giving yourself a handicap
-cousins high school football coach
yeah, problem is im lazy
Then odds are your game is shite.
so how do i make other people make good games?
By making gaming uncool and socially unacceptable again, forcing the SJW hipsters, parasites, and poseurs to leave for greener pastures. Because if you're really indie, you never wanted mainstream acceptance in the first fucking place.
Nothing.
If you shill for them they become the next notch.
If you fund their patreon they become the next yandev.
Just do nothing.
Make it yourself.
That's all i can think of right now.
By learning how to code and making a game
By not caring about sales.
You ignore these progressive hipster clique games and focus on the games that actually matter. Games that take a risk or just provide pure fun entertainment. Forget about games made by anyone who thinks they're too cool to have fun and that instead video games should be art, where art is this stupidly pretentious trash that makes no sense and only serves to jerk the creator and his kind off. Games like Sunset, Gone Home, Dear Esther, Braid and focus more on games like Neon Chrome, Distance, Cave Story, Unepic, Brigador, Steamworld Heist, Guacamelee, games by Wayfoward or Klei.
And call out the bullshit some indie devs pull. For example look at Shovel Knight, where features they've promised a while back still haven't been completed(King Knight, Spectre Knight).
Finally you can actually try and make games for yourself or others. It's not exactly a walk in the park and you will stumble and suffer and think it's the worst thing you've ever done in your life but after a while it just clicks with you and you're making progress. That is unless you're like me and you get lazy every now and then and forget about your game for months before going back to them.
Gone Home is not a game, and you faggots will keep being butthurt about its mere existence as long as you see it as game.
Just let it go.
THIS
Currently 100%ing Risk Of Rain (Again) on my Vita. I'm happy as fuck for those guys.
De-hipsterfy it.
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1. fucking support good indies.
If a dev makes a game you like, buy that shit.
It's rarely more than $20, and it goes on sale at the drop of a hat.
2. pick apart the politicized shit and tell people why it's shit beyond "it pushes X politics," it makes your argument seem infinitely more credible, which is more important when dealing with normalfags, as well as making the dev look like an incompetent retard, which is far more effective for the purpose than making them look like a villain.
Arguably the most important one, since it gets normalfags on your side.
3.
Defeatist cuck
we take all the niggers and dump them in the San Fran vegan slaughter-toriums
Nigga. I get it, you have issues with McMillen, nobody blames you because that fat fuck isn't exactly perfect himself. But he at least tries to make games that actually play like games, which is more than can be said for the "games are art" faggots.
Simple, help the good games, let the rest bomb to nothingness.
OK, recent indie games that I've played and enjoyed the hell out.
Another one.
Rude.
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is this a thinly veiled shill your own indie game thread
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Buy good indie games
Don't buy bad indie games
Don't let sjw cancer infest secondaries' opinions like you let them do with undertale.
I got it during a sale purely because I like the soundtrack.
Is it that bad?
If you hate good games and don't want to see more made, then yes you do pirate everything, you self entitled cunt.
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It's an okay rpg with a gimmick for dodging it battles. The sjw clique pushed that it was about diversity meme and everyone ate it.
It's actually about
Defeating god with the power of friendship
Pretty typical rpg fare
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…Is how we got here in the first fucking place, bitch about gaymergayt all you want, but it clearly had an effect on the SJWs.
I'm talking about indie games here, it's better to just let them be and buy them once they're released.
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Step 1:
Pirating everything
Step 2:
Flood the indie game Industry with Boobs
Step 3:
Spread the truth about the corrupt clique
Step 4:
Stop complaining like a little faggot and start now
Step 5:
push the good ones, burn everything else to the ground
Step 6:
Indie devs need alternativs, more options, don't let them hang with the SJW media.
>big list of good gaming journos: twitter.com
Step 7:
Stop visiting websites where games get shilled hart, avoid kotaku and go to nichegamer and so on
>another little list for good outlets: twitter.com
Step 8:
DO IT
Pirating everything is a goon meme to weaken markets, that we have already seen in comics
the market right now is shit anyway. Meme or not, the industry moguls have to put down from their high horses. Start putting your money where your mouth is and stop complaining about little interwebz wars.
Spotted the goon.
It's shit so I should take it for free is also a goon meme and has been well known for years.
They know that typically, ballparking in 70-80% of the time people who pirate software don't go on to buy said software and it weakens the industry allowing lower quality titles to inch up to the level of better games by pushing the ceiling down.
I'll carry your torch user
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Okay I can do that
What's the best way to start learning how to make vidya
THis looks rad user.
What engine?
Learn to code, python is a good first engine.
I mean, python is a good first LANGUAGE
MMF2
Take a visit to /agdg/. Current thread:
You'll get a wide selection of opinions, but they will set you on a path that'll result in you making video games with relative speed. IMO, learn the basics of programming and start fucking with Game Maker (pirate it). No matter what language or engine you decide to go with, your first goal is to understand a little bit about the logic that computers use to think, and then use it to re-create simple video games that you've enjoyed. Pong, Asteroids, Space Invaders, Mario, etc.
I recommend Game Maker as a starting point not because it's the best (far from it), but because there are few options which give you such immediate gratification, seeing work that you've done produce tangible results on the screen. Game Maker has its own language (GML), but it's very similar to others. Keep in mind that learning your first language is always the hardest one, so don't worry too hard about switching to something that fits your needs more later. More important than the specific language, you're learning how computers think.
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I made it sound like you had to do one and then the other, which isn't the case. You can learn the basics of programming in Game Maker itself, because logic is universal.
Are you going to offer a specific (probably valid) rebuttal, or are you just going to greentext at me? I think it's more important that people grasp the fundamentals and sees results quickly, rather than to be on the best path from the get go.
Support developers that aren't SJW hipster faggots
Ignore (or pirate) games made by SJW hipster faggots
Keep spreading the meme about SJW hipster faggot indie developers being garbage people who don't deserve your money so that others do the same as you
both.
Godot or love2d
made by an SJW hipster faggot
fuck off back to the goobergrape thread you annoying little cunt
Is that why 44% of Undertale fans haven't even touched the FREE DEMO for it, and watched the gameplay on YouTube?
Crash it and all the AAAAAA publishers with it.
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I don't have a game to show off, but here's a bunch of random things I've done
With no survivors?
None at all.
When was it great?
Late 80s to early 00s
I think its safe to say '96 was the best year for gaming
0/10
I like the rock tile
s / textures, especially that one under the center water one that has a variant color.
That's basically what all the artsy-fartsy tryhard crowd does, you can tell how well it goes for them.
They literally go around those late-90s formatted pure HTML gifs with crap flashing in arbitrary colors saying stuff like "FUCK THE SALES", "EVERYONE IS A SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE" and so on.
I think I can speak for most of the "just make game" crowd when everyone needs sales. I don't think anyone starts off with their humble beginnings and shit thinking they'll be the next Kojimbo or GabeN, we just want this shit to be enough for us to bring home the bacon.
If it keeps getting better, though, of course it doesn't hurt anyone. But I think anyone who just discards all sales just winds up the same way as the clique. At the same time it's not like you can only care for them, because that's the triple-A's job who can't afford a game to fail or else they go kaput.
Force they to develop on impossible to program for retro hardware like the N64 & SEGA Saturn.
That should get them to be more creative. Only reason shovel knight was good is they stayed 98% true to NES hardware specifications, & worked within that box.
mandatory testosterone injections for all males
Chad…………
Only if you fucking hate yourself. Game Maker is the more sane alternative.
Huh.
Is there an interview or something? I'm genuinely interested.
He asked what engine did I make the game I posted on, not what I recommended.
That is really not a problem if the game is good. And it is. The product is what really counts, and he, she or it delivered. It's all that matters to me.
Some more? Why not.
This
I know that all of the music was composed in Famitracker.
Well, but isn't this is all on Jake Kaufman side?
I heard the pallette for Shovel was not possible on a real NES.
But about the composer, that man have a gift. And you can get his albums for free in his bandcamp. Good stuff.
And more indies.
I don't have the time or the not-browsing-on-a-phone necessary to do an in depth indie recommendation, but I'll add my own two cents.
Archive is down. Google search "Breaking the NES for Shovel Knight". That's the article where they talk about how true to the NES they stayed through the whole thing.
Casual bump to keep indie alive.
