We're doomed

that doesnt mean psychopathic dipshits like elon musk won't survive tho.

washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/06/10/elon-musk-provides-new-details-on-his-mind-blowing-mission-to-mars/

WEll, this oughta be fun

I hope Musk gets to mars with his gaggle of dipshits and the means of production on earth are seized so they have to die from starvation in their space orgy chamber.
Fucking degenerates.

MARTIAN REVOLUTION WHEN ?

Yes plz.

That's actually sort of an interesting question. I don't think that they would need workers, I'm assuming shit would get automated, but I also think that they would still preserve the form of capitalism. So they would need a consumer class, and if there was going to be mass production there would need to be a large consumer class.

Either that or there's a small society of various feudal families with their robot serfs I guess. Shit would get weird.

Environmentalists have been screaming wolf, since the 90's non stop, but nothing has happened.

I remain sceptical about the whole thing.

So psyched for global warming to kill us all tbh famalams

theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/07/the-great-barrier-reef-a-catastrophe-laid-bare

saaaame

openclimatedata.net/climate-spirals/from-emissions-to-global-warming-line-chart/

This website has got some good visual representation of climate change

tl;dr we blew it

there'll be a working class on mars i guarantee it

In gif form

I fucking wish. Given the power coastal cities possess (political, economic, and demographic) we'll end up blowing billions (if not trillions) on trying to save NYC, London, etc because New Yorkers/Londoners think the US/UK starts and ends with New York/London

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Climate trends extrapolated to 2100 assuming no slowdown in GHG-emissions

Where at, tankie bro? I'm in Vancouver here.

toronto (well GTA)

I agree. What they are doing amounts to genocide.

webm unrelated

Boring ass Manitoba here fams. Them floods are only gunna get worse here.

That's human cooking stuff right there.

THE FUTURE IS SO BRIGHT

"I present my ignorance as enlightened skepticism" - the post

Nothing has happened.

I don't believe the environmentalists doom bringers, they are like the Jehovah witnesses, even if there is a climate change, I have hope that new more efficient technology, will slow it down or even reverse it.

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If you really think that then you're retarded.
five out of the last six months have been the hottest month on record.
The drought in Syria is what caused the fucking civil war.
even a minor increase in temperature could fuck the ecosystem beyond repair. There are farming communities right now who are going to lose everything because the crops they specialize in can't survive anymore.

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Yeah last months have been hot, but my personal experience isnt a universal fact .
but I live in the tropic of cancer, so I don't really care, everything grows well between the tropics and the equator.

Nukes can save us from climate change, tho.

Small Nuclear War Could Reverse Global Warming for Years: news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/02/110223-nuclear-war-winter-global-warming-environment-science-climate-change/

H-Bombs Can Halt Abrupt Climate Change: youtube.com/watch?v=EP5J3NFUjiw

Anyone else got the feeling this will end badly?

It'll be fine. Like Paul says in the video, if the problem's bad enough, you gotta use every tool in the toolbox. Porky's not leaving us much other choice, after all.

There may be another way out with a fraction of that cost. It all depends on political will however.

I'm good friends with climate, agricultural and environmental scientist and let me tell you about this fear mongering.

In reality, it's much, much worse than even climate scientists let on to the media, this is climate scientists being tempered because they don't want to come off as "fear mongering", in reality, from basically every friend I have in the field, the general consensus is, civilization as we know it is completely and utterly fucked beyond belief.

Apparently in Africa, already, the crop season has been like halved from what it was 20 years ago.

When's the last time you saw a frog? They've fucking gone in my area. I grew up seeing them and now they've vanished.

I'd like to hear this more about this angle. Got anything I can read?

This.

Make sure to create many babies, anons!

1. Shorten work week by 1 day
2. Pass a "Green law" that states that on that extra day all citizens must stay home/stay within their communities and refrain from using vehicles, excessive power (only mobile devices for emergencies), etc. The only thing allowed to operate with impunity will be emergency vehicles and hospitals.

You will cut carbon emissions drastically by doing this.

I can already see the headlines: "Genius on internet solves climate problem".

So, we should all keep the Sabbath, then?

It's not a solution, just a way to buy more time.

Basically, yes.

from whom?

Vaclav Smil explains the energy efficiency trap, the intense dependency of renewable energy on fossil power production and how much complexity our hi-tech green energy fantasies will face, as well as how incredibly difficult, long and complex energy transitions actually are for humanity. Because of these factors, he says the energy transition to renewables will take generations, not just decades.

Energy Transitions – Vaclav Smil, Energy 2030: youtube.com/watch?v=NxO3s0U5WdY

In "After The Age Of Cheap Oil" two Finnish energy experts tell us that in a world of scarce oil, every ounce of it we possess will have to meet essential needs, i.e. food-shelter etc., before those of alternative energy.

Like Everything Else, Alternative Energy Requires Cheap Oil: fpif.org/like-everything-else-alternative-energy-requires-cheap-oil/

What's more, the deployment of renewable energy is so resource intensive that after 20 years of trying, renewable energy has increased from 1% of total energy demand to all the way up to 3% of total energy demand. If we were to redouble our efforts, in another 20 years we may reach 7-11% of total energy demand.

The life-cycle for solar and wind products is less than 30 years. We will have to replace all of today's solar-wind products during a time of extreme shortages in energy, food, water and minerals. Recycling their component alloys requires more energy and expense than mining for them costs in the first place.

Most people deny climate chaos. Most people deny our energy trap. Most people deny our imminent, ongoing mass extinction. Most people only see lions and tigers on the television or at the zoo. There are more Siberian tigers in zoos than there are in the actual wilderness. Most people are totally fucking clueless about reality.

The aliens from Zeta Reticuli who will save us from our ourselves, of course.

So what do we give the Zetaites for their time?

Post yfw you will witness the extinction of your own race.

No let it all burn Population is too large.

The collected works of Marx and Hegel translated into their language.

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I honestly don't understand how normal people don't look at right wingers and think they're fucking insane. I just don't get it.

I can't believe our Government here in Aus is going to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to anti-gay groups to spread their vile propaganda all over TV, so straight people can vote on the basic human rights of others.

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that's a sad fucking cat

I was going for something more like this:

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w8 4 it

Jesus is our Lord and saviour.

fagot

Ditto.

GLOBAL POSADIST DOOM NOW

FUCK YOU QUINT WASTER NIGGER

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POSADAS WAS RIGHT

I took the leap of fate for the ayylmaos

No, do more research, but it's not going to get better in your lifetime.

That's not what the article said.

It says that the estimated world wide expenditure on infrastructures over the next 15 years is expected to total 90 trillion dollars without even discussing climate change

The situation is not as bad as people think. For starters, we could dump the vast majority of our fossil fuel usage if the government (a) tolled Interstates and (b) required railroads to electrify. Pic related are two of America's last electric railroads, Penn Central and Milwaukee Road. Both went bankrupt in the 70s (the latter because they de-electrified just as the oil crisis began). BN (now BNSF) also commissioned a study in the late 70s as well. As for electric power itself, I'd go right into nuclear power which is more efficient than solar and greener (taking into consideration where most solar panels have their materials mined from). This wouldn't end all Carbon emissions, but it'd do most.

However, the Democrats are visionless and indifferent towards climate change, hence their open aversion to nuclear power. And few see the usefulness of direct investment in freight rail or road tolling.

relevant article:

dailykos.com/story/2012/6/3/1097027/-Sunday-Train-Steel-Interstates-An-America-That-Can-Do-Big-Things

The provision of Rapid Freight Rail is a critical element of the proposal. Despite lower shipping cost by rail, the higher reliability and speed of truck shipping allows it to dominate long distance freight shipping in the United States for all except heavy bulk freight. And it is the capture of existing long haul truck freight that is the key element to the energy efficiency of the project. As noted in the Oil Drum piece:

As a final point, it's worth mentioning that this is fully plausible. All key industries, and the military-industrial complex, rely on America's railroads. Getting them to electrify wouldn't be difficult if roads were tolled (which, in turn, would fuck over Greyhound and most truck shippers). The difficult part is getting them to choose clean sources of power, but even if they don't it'd still be much cleaner as simply less energy would be required to move things.

If its about that coral bleaching, its exaggerated and it actually has been happening over thousands of years
The reef will eventually fix itself in a few decades
Regardless, the coral is more effected by people dumping pollutants off the coast that chemically effect the corals in the surrounding areas

Your joking right?
Frogs got killed off by wild animals and a kids that liked pulling their legs off
The french also ate a few

Fuck off Holla Forums

As an Australian that has been living in more than a decade of drought, i can candidly say syrians have been known to be violent from before WW2
hint: its the moslems just joking, its actually the Americans

We're winning guys!

What about the Venus Project? thevenusproject.com/the-venus-project/

From what I heard from a friend, the means to achieve environmentally sustainable living for Americans is literally within our technological bounds.

WE MUST INFILTRATE, COMRADES.

Ocean acidification, user. Humans are the largest sources of carbon dioxide on the planet, and we're pumping out more than natural sinks such as forests and the ocean can absorb. This excess amount of carbon dioxide in the ocean is leading to increasing amounts of carbonic acid in the oceans, which further decays into carbonate ions and hydrogen ions.

The excess amount of hydrogen ions cause the pH level of the ocean to decrease (making it more acidic). This poses a problem for animals that use calcium carbonate in their biology (such as corals, oysters, and clams), as the hydrogen ions bond with carbonate ions in the water, denying those organisms of the carbonate ions to build their shells.

But the excess CO2 will increase plant growth, which should potentially increase the natural sinks size, essentially its an equilibrium that we cant predict, because its more complex than any model we can make
Also
Animals will adapt, mass extinctions are common, personally i think the main problem with today's society is over foresting, but then i realized that the majority of Carbon sinks on the planet are in the ocean in the form of micro-bacteria (algae i think?)
These organisms are under threat not from CO2 pollution, but rather waste products in the ocean
These waste products (nuclear waste, plastics, bleach and other toxic chemicals) are generally filtered by whales and large keystone predators

Unfortunately advancements in whaling over the past century and japan and devastated these populations, allowing these waste products to build up in the ocean more and kill more micro-bacteria
So really, its not CO2 generation that is the problem, but people destroying habitats and animals, as well as dumping toxins in the rivers and oceans

Unfortunately we cant fix this because every country that practices it is a corrupt shithole

One day i want to purge China, sweep it all away in a river of metaphorical fire and literal bullets (yes i am aware that bullets generate CO2)

not this time, faggot
this was domestic terrorism

t. proud leftypolean

Please stop posting

I actually main Holla Forums, because faster post replies
However its not that i agree with everything they say, rather i have a more "moderate" view on their goals, Whilst i believe in nationalism, i believe society should have some over arching government that should "Only" be able to act in cases where all other countries are involved, for the sake of preventing wars and destroying china
Fuck china
I'm Not even racist, i dont hate Chinese people, I hate the country, The government and the businesses that run it
The only good thing china has done in all their existence is limiting their population
God i fucking over population

Also I'm disappointed in your webm, Why did noone think to shop stalins face onto the driver
You know, that smug face he always makes

It was supposed to be a joke user
Droughts aren't everywhere, we just got out of one in australia, which was predicted toi happen over 30 years before it occurred, something to do with the El Nino event repeating whilst also occurring with the natural drought season of Australia
Combined with the over population we suffered more than 10 years of it

technically we're going to be having less drought from climate change due to the less amount of water taken up by the poles, also i read somewhere a few years ago, cant quite remember, may have been "wattsupwiththat", that Australia would be less effect by climate change due to its location from the equator

Americans i hear will be getting it worse, as well as "those shitty asians" and hopefully Indonesia

tbh droughts aren't a good reference for climate change, geologists have a better understanding than most climate scientists do on the long term cycles of climate

I've heard of it. We kinda needed something like that happening 40 fucking years ago, but if people still feel there's value in pursuing it, despite how late in the game we are in regards to climate change/ocean acidification, than more power to them. From what I know of it, it's pretty much just another vision of a socialist-esque utopia (ala Star Trek). Although, regardless of when exactly our current, irredeemably corrupt system collapses, (aka capitalism), it is, and will continue to be, totally at odds with TVP's vision of a resource based economy/sustainable, energy efficient world. I have a hard time seeing a transition period where both capitalism and RBE exist together at the same time, it seems like it has to be one or the other.

lol. Not under capitalism we won't. It's either destroy capitalism, or let capitalism destroy humanity's only chance for a future. Your choice. Better hurry because our time's pretty much almost up. Porky's a deranged, short-sighted, suicidal maniac and he's dragging the rest of us down with him.

We have done so several times

theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/02/global-warming-worsened-syria-drought-study

The entire region is teetering on shortage. With the population growing as is this is unsustainable.

population controls when

Renewables are not the solution.

No. co2 has been increasing for 150 years. Plants may be slightly bigger but evidently nowhere near big enough to offset the human emissions, hence atmospheric concentration is still increasing.

Some places will get wetter, some drier. The places that will get drier are the red and orange, and some yellow bits here

The groundwater in these regions is nearly gone. Hotter years will finish it off, killing the evapotranspiration cycle in these regions. This will in turn likely lead to further desertification.

Is carbon emissions the problem or deforestation and aquatic pollution?

Yeah, that's exactly the way the right/left paradigm is played out.

Nobody talks theory in the real world, and 'right wingers' have now by virtue of not being insane id-pol self haters, have taken the ground the working class are attracted to.

And that's what you would call the scary 'far right', the actually right is Globalist trans loving Refugees welcome frauds.

People think the left is insane, they don't hear the theory, they hear the idpol fucks who have taken over every educational and political institution in Europe, who are happy when the Globalist right ape their language on trannys and refugees.

Is this bait user?
I havn't seen any anti-homosexual propaganda recently out here in over 10 years

Both. Increased co2 in the atmosphere amplifies the greenhouse effect, the physical mechanism behind man made climate change.

Deforestation leads to desertification which is bad too. Ocean 'acidification' is a result of adding too much co2 to the oceans.

They haven't really done it before, but are planning to do it in the near future. Some groups like marriage alliance have got a headstart, but i don't think they are funded by taxpayer dollars yet.

The technology for establishing a reasonably costed mars colony is decades, probably over a century away. Anyone who buys this is a moron

Don't be stupid. Only the poor will die, porky will step across our dead bodies to salvation in their climate controlled bubble cities.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carboniferous

You know, the seventh day adventist inside me is now going to be bitching about how this totally sounds like the dominical law that they are all so fucking paranoid about. SDAs be cray.

Will the tech necessary fot that be available in 30-40 years? If not, I'd say they're fucked too.

You filthy meatbags brought this on yourselves.

We already have the technology, just not the political/economic will, climate change isn't going to make the planet uninhabitable, just massively cut the amount of temperate, fertile land suited for humans, there will still be plenty of places where pampered silicon valley scum can live happily with renewables and hydroponics and so on.

source?

tech to counter this?

Source? Earth isn't going to turn into Mars, the air will be just about breathable. There won't be enough for everyone but the elites could easily survive. You don't even need land to grow crops now, just energy, and we already have nuclear energy (which could basically solve climate change but would be bad for business, but whatever), the rich will just move themselves upward away from the seas and control their immediate surroundings with technology. Hell it won't even be that bad.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plankton#Oxygen_production

Never heard of that before but it's not quite so clear cut according to this

cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/phytoplankton-climate-kachur-1.3349107

That said, even a reduction in oxygen would be survivable as far as I can tell, we already know how to have an airtight environment and produce oxygen, as in space, and unlike space a minor leak wouldn't be a huge problem leading to immediate death. If you had an unlimited budget I don't think it would be too hard to design a self sustaining closed town/city with current technology.

So porky creates big ass bubble towns, billions of people want to get in… riot… porky shoots them at the gates…they still keep coming… eventually they run out of ammo…

Not to mention organized warfare against such towns. I think you are underestimating the full blown chaos and people's will to live.

Anyway, what tech would this be:
Produce it from what?

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carboniferous

Nobody is denying that the Earth will survive this, but this is happening at a rate that most of the Earth's flora and fauna won't be able to keep up with, including us.

"When I grow up, daddy, I want to be coal!"

I don't think anyone is arguing that all life will die out, but the majority of humans will and most of our important wild life. If you aren't a billionaire and can afford a private bunker when humans go full primitive mode because of lack of resources, or you would enjoy the massive struggle and then get shot and eaten by another pack of humans, then climate change should concern you.

Pretty much this.

It won't extinction, but it might be worse.

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Sure, granted. But I think it's important to note that humanity won't literally die off. Of course the damage to both humanity and the other species of the planet will be immeasurable.

Omnicide basically.

en.wiktionary.org/wiki/omnicide

Nah, even worse then that. We'll end up as mutated freaks who worship a neofeudalism for eternity. There are worse things then death.

The Carbon Tax Is Doomed
jacobinmag.com/2016/10/oil-fossil-fuel-climate-cap-trade-tax-renewables/

send powerful micrwaves from the moon to the earth

i wouldn't let let my kids live with in 500 kilometers of this

Lasers would be much cooler.

But yeah. No need for this shit when we have the atom at our command.

GLORY TO THE SPACENOIDS!

Humanity honestly kind of deserves to die for choosing 95% coal/oil/gas and 5% renewables for their energy mix while the world is literally going off the abyss instead of going 100% nuclear because of 'muh green movement', 'muh profits', 'muh safety'

theecologist.org/News/news_round_up/2782946/climate_change_sparked_syrias_ruinous_war.html

theecologist.org/News/news_analysis/2871076/overgrazing_and_desertification_in_the_syrian_steppe_are_the_root_causes_of_war.html

carnegie-mec.org/diwan/55376

Climate change will make fragile regimes even more fragile, and people start to riot when food prices get to high or they cant have jobs anymore. If other grievance exist it will morph into an all out rebellion against the system once the spark has been lit on the powder keg.

We're seriously going to have to kill these fucker if we hope to have a planet left, aren't we?

Yes. And when people say "killling/violence is not the answer" know that they are protecting the ones ruining everything.

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Haha, yeah, right? It's really dumb. I'm sure we'll all be fine. Heh

Haha ha

I'm sure it doesn't mean anything that this year has had a bunch of the hottest months on record :^)

The world probably won't end, but it might get so shitty we'll wish it did.

This TBH. Sacrificing the few for the many might be humanity's only hope.

Meh… I mean it will get much worse over time.
Its just not like the world will end before we get to kill it ourselves.

Well Mars and space are mankinds best shot at survival …if you want humanity to stick around for a while that is.

you do realize the world has already been flooded 5 or 6 times according to "highly accurate" models starting since the 1960s

washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/10/11/okla-gov-mary-fallin-says-all-faiths-not-just-christians-should-observe-oilfield-prayer-day/

So does humanity completely deserve death or only mostly?