What does Holla Forums think about Technocracy?

Is Technocracy the true economic system for a White society?

What else could we even ask for?

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Whats the quality of life for the lower class in a Technocracy

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The equivalent of the upper middle class of the USA under today's system. Keep in mind this is a basic standard of living that is provided to all citizens by default, since "jobs" disappear due to rampant automation.

Yes but how is power distributed? It's all well and good in theory, but in theory communism is a utopia too. So instead of telling us how *wonderful* things will be if we only embrace Techocracy, why not explain how power is maintained.

Technocracy = rule by technological elites. Okay. What/who keeps them in line? What/who selects them? What discourages abuses of power?

How exactly?

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The Technocrats were essentially the USA's version of the National Socialists, apart from the actual US NatSocs whom were always relatively tiny by comparison. At their height, Technocracy, Inc. had over 500,000 members who either accepted regular publications from the organization or attended their rallies. If it hadn't been for the New Deal, the Technocrats may have genuinely been a threat to the Jewish Federal Govt. power.

Basically, Technocracy is about all social problems have a technical solution rooted in scientific analysis and technological innovation, and most importantly that production and consumption can be rectified to such a high degree through technical and scientific expertise when you remove the exploitative monetary system, that everything becomes absurdly "cheap" to produce, precipitating firstly a superabundant society, and eventually a post-scarcity society for all manner of essential goods and services. The key is moving away from a Subjective Theory of Value, where the Jews control consumer perceptions and manipulate the value of currency through manipulation and usury, and moving into an Energy Theory of Value where the sum "cost" of any good or service is denominated purely in the raw energy expended to provide it. This is feasible now more than ever thanks to advanced computerization and automation.

So when you destroy the monetary system and move to an Energy Accounting Economy, you're left with the "cost" to produce and provide all of the essential elements of social stability being almost trivially "cheap" to provide, since at every step of production, there is no longer layer upon layer upon layer of profit margin added to the cost, nor all of the absurd inefficiencies of price manipulation due to artificially engineered currency valuation underlying all of the constituent transactions.

You're left with the fact that you have such an absurd surplus of wealth, that all the essentials of society can be distributed equally to everyone. Then, those in society who are meritorious can be provided additional access to the productive forces by virtue of their social contributions and superior ability, i.e. pure meritocracy.

Yeah, because moneyless and profitless Soviet Russia were totally Jew free, and the people all happy and healthy.

The only "technocracy" I would ever accept would be rule by a friendly superintelligent AI (IE Tay 29.0.1). Such a system would have no need for official power, as it could act entirely using the butterfly effect. Jews "just happen" to die, become sterile, go back to Israel, or whatever, while everyone else "just happens" to be in the right place at the right time for amazing things to happen. People with good ideas get stand in line next to businessmen looking for the next big investment and something "just happens" to break the ice, etc.

Other systems that are called "technocracies" are generally either just watered down versions of other systems. Works better than communism or fascism (as they had in Spain under Franco), but not as well as capitalism. On par with socialism, perhaps.

For systems run by humans, we just need a government that stays out of the economy and enforces laws against fraud, assault, murder, theft, etc.

Sounds like gommunism with energy swapped for labor and all pretense of interest in the lower classes abandoned

That is all well and good, but how? Yes in theory if you removed the profit margins, commodities would be really cheap. But the problem is, how do we remove it?

There are two problems that everyone needs to surmount when proposing a governmental solution to our problems.

1. How do we get the desirable outcome given what we know about human nature?

2. How do we overthrow this system and replace it with our better ideology given what we know about human nature?

Now, now. I'm sure the Technocracy will provide abundant condensed nutrient pellets and distilled shitwater for the peasants.

Also, Jews wield their control not so much through their collective wealth (which helps) but mostly through their clever manipulation of the media that they control. THAT is our enemy.

Not to distract from other issues.

Even at the lowest point of the USSR it was still one of the worlds largest economy's.

By merit. Those who are most fit to lead are selected to lead:

IN THE DOMAIN OF THEIR EXPERTISE.

You would never have a hydrological engineer in charge of local transporation infrastructure, or the policies of the National Library Service or whatever the fuck else. He's an expert hydrological engineer, therefore he's suited to providing his expertise in matters of hydrological engineering.

There are no politics in a Technocracy. There is only empirical analysis. What is true is true and what is false is false.


There is no "line" to be kept in. They don't "rule" over anyone. There is not a separate "political class" like there is now. If some Holla Forums autist is completely self-taught in methods of forensic investigation, there's absolutely nothing stopping him from applying those skills within criminal investigation organizations, he need only apply and provide proof of his ability. If there is a need for forensic investigators, and he's the most qualified to train, then he then becomes an investigator. It's like this for everything, a pure meritocracy.


Objective tests developed by committees of experts in any given domain, vetted by anyone who wants to form an oversight committee and analyze their criterion and methodology.


Getting fucking killed or worse, i.e. mind wiped/depersonalized and reprogramed into a toilet cleaner drone, with no remorse by society at large.

>IN THE DOMAIN OF THEIR EXPERTISE
Say it with me:
MOST QUALIFIED PRESIDENT OF ALL TIME

Sounds like the Chinese Empire to me, where you have the credentialed morons in the capital running the country to ruin every couple hundred years until they're replaced by the provincial lords or the barbarian hordes.

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Cool, who will rule and how? trias politica where you divide the different sciences and let them why in on there areas of expertise and a tech council?


The biggest problem I have with this, is the best scientists will become the de facto leaders, current scientists will most likely take the reigns. How do we remove political influence from current science before moving over to a technocracy? Academia is corrupt as is, people take a lot of credit for other peoples work.

It's easy to say by merit, academia is corrupt as fuck at high levels atm.


PEER REVIEWED STUDIES PROVE JEWS MAKE THE BEST TECHNOCRATS WHEN GIVEN ABSOLUTE POWER

It's focused on material wealth instead of spiritual development again, and that's why it too would fail.
You aren't going to get great art or culture or knowledge (let alone wisdom and spirituality) by concentrating on fulfilling people's material needs.
We need to structure society so it also satisfies spiritual needs, because humans are never complete by just looking at science.

Traditionalism, essentially.

Which one?

No one in China in qualified to hold the positions they hold. The PRC is a completely and utterly untechnocratic form of government.

trias politica where you divide the different sciences and let them weigh in on there areas of expertise and a tech council?

By who? The governmental organizations? Who selects them?

That is how redistricting works. Would you say it is unbiased & apolitical?

So lobbyist organizations… funded by…?

No, it's focused on eliminating material wealth as the basis for all human action, instead opening up the opportunity to develop a society which is focused purely on cerebralism and leisure pursuing the activities and accomplishments of their choosing, instead of what they're coerced into performing.

A genuinely spiritual society can never exist until the oppression of the monetary system and taxes are eliminated.

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Personally.
I throw technocracy into the same overall political frame as Fascism and Communism.

All are focused heavily on how industrialisation is changing humanity and society and how to address these changes.
Often in wildly different ways.
They were the last three groups to have any real vision for the future.

It's interesting but has flaws.
Too much assumption on salvation through technology.
Then there's the technates. Not exactly conductive to encouraging civic virtues.

And of course the big problem.
Selection of leaders.
The technocracy movement never really seemed to figure this one out in a way that really seemed viable.
Proposals of tests to ensure experts in the relevant field became the ones responsible for it sound good until someone asks "who sets the tests and who makes sure the tests aren't biased?"

See, everyone I've come across who considered themselves a technocrat was relatively left leaning. You wanna know why? Because like communism, its another "looks good on paper but will actually suck" idealogy. The left leaning are often easily trapped by those ideals. That plus LARPers trying to be cyberpunk. I would argue many on the left are already reaching toward technocracy now, and we should keep an eye on this in the future. ALSO LEFTYPOL HAS A TECHNOCRACY FLAG

Once technocracy exists and "progress" becomes the new God everyone strives toward and worships, scientists will be pretty much deified. Not only will they be near worshiped, everyone will want to BE a scientist for the perks/power/fame. Here's the thing, not everyone can be a scientist. Some just aren't smart enough, and others just don't have the patience, or someone just has to do the shitty non-scientist jobs.
You already see alot of this in leftist spheres were they love fake pop-scientists like Bill Nye and Neil Degrasse Tyson. The amount of pretend scientists hogging fame (and money) will only increase in technocracy.

Promise of utopia. Just like the Communists promised everyone will be equal and there would be no food shortage and you wouldn't have to labor in factories 10 hours a day.

Literally Communism

There are a couple problems with science deciding everything in our society. First is who decides what facts are. Sure, your average citizen can grab a telescope to see mars to know it exists, or walk down Detroit to know niggers are dangerous, but your average person can't observe many sciences and hence can be easily fooled. Fake statistics float everywhere on the internet nowadays and a technocratic elite can control this how they see fit. This is why the majority of Holla Forums distrusts "scientific evidence" because theres always a political agenda behind it. Second problem is the abandonment of spiritual religion. Atheism will of course be the spearhead of any technocracy, because of course nothing religious can be scientifically proven to exist. Once science becomes the nu-god, the scientific man starts to worship himself. Others will worship the scientists. Nihilism is for the rest.

There is also another issue with it.
Just because someone is a good research scientist does not make them an effective organiser or leader.
In fact many of the best scientists would make atrocious leaders and organisers.
It's also a chronic waste of manpower. A research scientist is more suited to research.

There is no "government," it's a Technocracy. There are no politics in a Technocracy, there are engineering problems to be solved by technical experts.


Technocracy is absolutely anti-democratic. "Districts" don't exist in political terms.


That's the entire raison d'etre of Technocratic society, to become entirely apolitical and entirely technically minded towards solving social issues.


There is no monetary system, how would they be funded?

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Any time you have a large number of humans in one place you have governance.
All you've done is redefine governing as an engineering problem.

As for finances. The society in question would require resources, services, etc to function.
As I recall the proposal I heard a while back was for some manner of energy credits system in which the currency expired at the end of the economic period? Thus ensuring no hoarding of currency occurred.

This is a purely inductive process, there's nothing subjective about it to be dubious about. This is why Marxism/Intersectionality become absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to exist within a Technocracy, because they have literally no basis in inductive logic whatsoever, they're expressly axiomatic and imaginary.

So how do people "advance" in society? How do they better themselves?

Kind of missing the point

I think the answer is probably taking up a gun and shooting the technocrats. How willing to kill, let alone die for their way of life would people's whose big goal in life is to live lives of maximum comfort be?

You mean like National Socialists? Wow, quite a revelation, lolbertard.


It's not a promise, it's a fact that when Whites don't have to worry about living hand to mouth they create the most absurd advancements of the human condition.

The entire Scientific Revolution was carries out by Scientists and Engineers who DID NOT have to work for a living, they were paid by wealthy Aristocracy to do nothing but Science

Technocracy is merely replacing Aristocracy with Automation and using computerization to distribute the surplus.


Literally you're a fucking retard.

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Technocrats and transhumanists are jews and they burn just as bright.

I will confess I did have to google it.
But you miss the point.
Who vets the test?
Who ensures all is as it should be?

What's stopping them from bettering themselves? That's literally the entire fucking point, to eliminate the abusive and exploitative nature of the monetary system so that citizens are left with what they chose to pursue instead of what they're forced to pursue for survival and maybe get lucky enough that some kiked up bank or VS firm gives you enough money to try out your ideas.

So these "technical experts" (not politicians) are solving "engineering problems" (not politics) using an ????? (not a police force) to enforce these (not laws)
Okay…
So forgive me, but that just sounds like a government doing what a normal government does except with new names & no mention of Jews.

When I brought up redistricting, I was criticizing your "Objective Tests"
I am sure that in theory, they are unbiased. But in theory redistricting is also unbiased & apolitical. What keeps these "objective tests" objective and DON'T say NGOs. If you think NGOs are unbiased or have no political motivations, think again.

Nothing is free. Staffing an NGO or an "oversight committee" requires time, energy, & resources. The acquisition of these things is not free. And honestly, I would be very suspicious of people who people who self funded & volunteered to oversee such critical aspects of a society.

Anything that relies on NGOs is just asking to be taken over by the Jews.

Kike shit. If you don't have an aristocratic pedigree dating back to at least 16th century, fully documented, you don't get to rule. Meritocracy, technocracy and individualism is modernist horseshit the kikes invented in order to usurp power during the French revolution, precisely because they had no noble pedigree.

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Every one in a billion men user. Real great men like Odin, Alexander, Hitler etc they could do anything. I do agree with you somewhat, I think a technocracy would be come a bureaucratic hell hole though.

How did the first nobles become nobles though?

Look dude, recreating the 16th century is a pipe dream. Does anyone here actually think you can just recreate Medieval France in America? I don't think so.

why would humans even be necessary in a technocracy? wouldn't it be better to just create a supersmartneildegrassetyson AI to run things and solve the problems?

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China is the closest thing to a technocracy this world has. More Chinese government officials have engineering degrees than any other government in the world.

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The people who peddle the ideology specifically mean that Marxist humanities professors should rule over the rest of the "ignorant masses" when they talk about technocracy. It's just another Jewish scheme. Even if we take the popular interpretation among non-Leftists who've only sampled it, being talented at mathematics isn't in itself the quality of a good ruler.

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Look at how corrupted the culture of research science is by both monetary and social influences (social status, academic glory, group think, reliance on and support of given "consensus" views without actually knowing anything about the subject at hand, petty infighting taking precedence over truth (Copenhagen interpretation, I'm looking at you)) look at the cult of euphoric "HURRR SCIENCE IS MY RELIJUN" jacks offs, look at the scams paraded around in theoretical physics, and then tell me how it's a good idea to let this utterly anti-intellectual, anti-truth, cult of retards run the show unopposed.

Technocracy is basically just communism but instead of Comrade Mao and his buddies deciding what's true and who gets to eat, Professor Jewstein and his buddies decide. Technocracy is shit.

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I think we will find a middle ground with a technocracy, in the form of a Technocratic Minimalist National State.

Where technology weakens us, we oppose it, where it strengthens us, we wield it.

The German's pulled off a Technocratic Minimalist National State during the Third Reich. Strong bodies, strong minds, and the technology to overcome any challenge.

In following the ideal of the Overman, the answer is quite simple. If a technology serves to weaken your genetic potential over time, it is of little use to the volk. A pure technocracy is doomed to failure as science is constantly being revised and corrected. Scientists who would seize power in the beginning may feel inclined to hoist their possibly wrong views on their peers, and suppress truth, in fear of losing their validity. China is a corrupt Technocracy, as is most of the scientific communities in the west. Alternative theories are shouted down and suppressed just as Semitic religions shout down and suppress alternative views.

As such a combination of a technocracy, as in, unleashing the potential of a Volk's scientific advancement for the sake of the gene, blood and iron of the land and volk. The German's flooded their technological development teams with funding, and it resulted in an overflow of advancements. What we have now is antiquated technologies being hoisted upon us, and their alternatives suppressed because they would represent a technocratic shift.

The answer is no, because we are already in a technocracy. A communist technocracy.

Nationalism must have the appropriate leaders who can discern and coordinate the scientific community so that nepotism and meaningless scientific debate does not stifle innovation and advancement.

In any case, any form of technocracy cannot function as a government without racial purity.

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Would you want to?
It was a hole.
A total wasteland dominated by a syphilis riddled capitol.

It is one of the most likely outcomes.
Though theres useful concepts and ideas to be plundered.
Their love of engineered solutions that target the cause of a problem is a good thing to adopt.
Whats that old image? It shows three tram cars. Two of them the old type with external steps/boarding sections.
The problem being that people are standing on them making it difficult to get on and off and being a dangerous thing to do.
The first solution is a sign telling people not to which is ignored
the second is a sign saying they'll be fined with is also ignored
The final solution shows a larger tram cart which is enclosed with proper doors. Thus dealing with every aspect of the original problem.

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Oh the mods locked the thread while I was writing my post. Now I see why. So many leftpol faggots in here lately.

Do you want a pat on the head for it?

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Oh no. I've been called a faggot by someone LARPing that they live in a medieval fair.
I'm almost as triggered as you are.

Look people. We need to create a system of government that is more than just switching out the word "politics" for "technical experts" or Larping that we can return to feudalism. Personally I think

is either a shill or worse. I doubt anyone here actually thinks we can magically return to feudalism and almost no White man would want that anyway. So it is pointless Larping intended to make us look insane.

I don't give a fuck about your political spectrum. I always support free speech bitch. 8/pol/ has become a containment zone to coopt you into supporting


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k I'm out.

Well considering all the whining and screeching and shilling.

Seems there may be more to this that's relevant to our interests.

Expand on this, I am missing something probably because I am tired and not English native.


THREAD IS HITTING NERVES

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Essentially one thing the old technocrats liked to preach was the idea that you should always carefully examine a problem to determine the fundamental cause.

So in the tram car scenario the fundamental problems were that there were these external sections to be stood on and they were clearly not big enough to meet demand.
So rather than trying to fix it by whining or punishing people, they fix it by actually addressing the problem.

There's no fucking reason to discuss this topic here man, this board is nothing more than a neocon hugbox echochamber.

The problem isn't money, and profit you fucking retard, the problem is the kikes regardless of the system, they should be exterminated your fucking faggot cuck.
It should be based purely on white racial and ethnic interests.

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If you weren't behind the protection of your Jewish mods here I'd tear your dumbass a new asshole regarding how fucking stupid you are and the fact that you don't realize that white racial and ethnic interests ARE Technocratic, you fucking worthless shit for brains cockpuppet.

I know that you're a mod, I've had bans before where a post is made and syncs with the ban message, honestly you couldn't make it more obvious, put your fucking mod tag on next time you fucking faggot.

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You are advocating Techno-communism, it wont work, Techno-capitalism is superior, like your version of technocracy, it ensures that politicians are determined by their academic credentials, rather than by being elected, and all policies are determined by statistical analysis and scientific research, however, it does not do away with the monetary system, the free market, or any other aspect of capitalism.

I take offense to your assertion that your version of technocracy is the only one, you are just like the an-coms who deny the legitimacy of an-caps.