Tropes that you really fucking hate

Dylan Wood
Dylan Wood

Old heroes "pass the torch" to a new generation

Gabriel Clark
Gabriel Clark

Why, don't get me wrong, is awful when it happens just to "refresh" and scrap away/recycle all the plots on the new shitty character but it can be done good.

Shallow "Cosmic Horror Story" with just giant tentacle monster as the horror.

Kayden Morgan
Kayden Morgan

Thanks for outing yourself as a casual fag.

Leo Harris
Leo Harris

hero defeats cosmic horror.

Cooper Hall
Cooper Hall

it's another TLJ hateboned thread

Ayden Brown
Ayden Brown

I've seen it done good in some cases though is either "stopping the Cosmic Horror to enter our reality" or "that was a lesser Cosmic Horror with inferiority complex, there are infinitely more powerful ones who just don't care about us".

The MC is a kid that is annoying, can't follow the rules to save dear life, has to learn a lesson at the end, everyone just forgives him and the next episode he has to learn another lesson because he was a jerk again.

Jordan Hill
Jordan Hill

Major character is incapacitated or killed
Fans bitch
Character resurrected
It bugs me that Western comics' events have so little impact. Anything that happens can either be undone with "science" or handwaved away as an alternate universe.

Jaxson Scott
Jaxson Scott

You should read the old 2000AD comic, Zenith, it's got the good shit for cosmic horrors.
Also Nazis.

Thomas Rogers
Thomas Rogers

I don't want to be a dick with you, but thats not a trope. That's a natural thing what should be followed by every worthy men and women.

Xavier Rivera
Xavier Rivera

A character from the author's previous work shows up

Joseph Phillips
Joseph Phillips

It's all in the same setting

Gabriel Taylor
Gabriel Taylor

show takes place in a high school setting

Leo Stewart
Leo Stewart

Highschool/Elementary students behave like if they're in middleschool.

Jackson Martinez
Jackson Martinez

grade school setting
all the plots revolve around dating, getting jobs, and late teen to adult shit

Ryder Edwards
Ryder Edwards

This.

Jace Moore
Jace Moore

There is nothing wrong with "passing the torch". It can barely even be considered a trope.

Nathaniel Hernandez
Nathaniel Hernandez

Woah there, Gramps, keep hating on fun like that and next you'll tell us that Tsuyu isn't best girl.

Came here to post this.

William Morales
William Morales

main characters utterly powerless against enemy
Gains ultra bs power to beat villian
Useless gainst next villian
Rinse
Repeat

Liam Harris
Liam Harris

Can be good when done well. The problem is when the new generation of characters are shit. Everyone likes Jean-Luc Picard, and Joseph Joestar.

Ayden Thompson
Ayden Thompson

I struggle to name a instance where this was done right, or just inferior to its predecessor.

Thanks for outing yourself as a sagefag.

Another? We didn't have any in this board yet.

This shit has been used to replace beloved characters in Marvel, Avatar, Star Wars and all these times the replacement are inferior to the original in everyway.

Who do you think you are talking to, fag?

Asher Hughes
Asher Hughes

-Villain can no longer have a private army and huge base because "fuck you, they just do" is apparently no longer an adequate explanation.

Jayden Green
Jayden Green

It bugs me that Western comics' events have so little impact.

They have no impact because there is no story to actually change. Mainstream comics are just a series of events that look like a story, but isn't.

Ryan Miller
Ryan Miller

Bad execution and relative abundance thereof doesn't mean the thing itself is bad, you moron. What, do you go around saying entire mediums are shit because shitty stories are more common?

Jordan Davis
Jordan Davis

I struggle to name a instance where this was done right, or just inferior to its predecessor.
Marvel, Avatar, Star Wars

Christopher Nguyen
Christopher Nguyen

This shit has been used to replace beloved characters
Not really… but let's see your examples:
- Marvel: No torch was passed, just old white male characters were banished/trapped in other dimension/ missing/ putted away/etc. New characters gained their powers and status by instant, not by passed to them…
-Avatar: I'm not familiar with this, but one of the thing i know is that the writers killed off the previous incarnations so there where never a torch passed, nor replaced (since the original series is closed).
-Star Wars: Never happened. Luke didn't even trained Rey just explained the very basics of the Force. By the way this shit sounds like you saying Luke replaced Anakin.

I know and see where your hard feeling come from, but it's not coming from the "pass the torch" trope, which doesn't even a trope! And the very shit you get from the other users is because you missuse the whole phrase to describe something more sinister.

which is making a well-know story or series more pol.correct

Levi Morales
Levi Morales

Passing the torch is largely only bad when it's used to justify a sequel to a finished story that needed no elaboration

Landon Parker
Landon Parker

Yes you fucking cunt. Where do you think we aree? Stab yourself in the eye and remove yourself from this board ASAP.

literally the biggest examples of this trope being mismanaged
Delete your internet, moron.

They are still referred as passing the torch specially by people that enjoy this trope, so its more figurative than literally.

Jaxon Johnson
Jaxon Johnson

literally the biggest examples of this trope being mismanaged
Thinks Starman is shit

Holy shit, you need to leave. Like now.

Jaxon Rogers
Jaxon Rogers

Yeah except that's what's supposed to happen, most capes that don't do this stagnate as a character. Case in point, Batman, he's stagnated to the point where the only thing interesting about him is the people around him. I care more for Damian, Dick, and Jason, then I do Bruce.

Brandon Cook
Brandon Cook

Passing the torch is a fun as fuck trope, but it only works outside of modern cape shit from Marvel and DC, because you can't pass the torch and still keep the original characters around.
The MC is a kid that is annoying, can't follow the rules to save dear life, has to learn a lesson at the end, everyone just forgives him and the next episode he has to learn another lesson because he was a jerk again.
Fucking Ben 10 could have been a great show. A genuinely neat and interesting concept ruined by refusing to make a cartoon that doesn't treat kids like retards.>>Old heroes "pass the torch" to a new generation

Julian Ross
Julian Ross

No, it's not what's supposed to happen. What's supposed to happen is the guys who once read comics move on and grow up, instead the hobby is populated by whiny manchildren who want to replace characters and ruin them for future generations because "muh continuity". Also, none of the Bat-Family with the possible exception of Dick are remotely as interesting as Bruce. It's the same shit that has Superman sidelined in his books by his bland kid.

Christopher Mitchell
Christopher Mitchell

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Jose Wright
Jose Wright

user, tropes aren't bad, just common.

Samuel Stewart
Samuel Stewart

calling anything a trope
not the tumblr audience
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Ryder Flores
Ryder Flores

I absolutely, positively despise the 'despot leader kills his henchmen' trope. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

This isn't even like a true dictator taking out competition or killing someone for fun, or when they have such vast amounts of influence that it makes sense that you can't move against him.

This often comes up in secret societies and is at its worst in apocalypse survival scenarios, which is where this type of behavior makes the least amount of sense.

With a single action a person:

Weakens his forces
Instills in his men a sense that he is unstable
Prove that he is not much of a leader and that the system itself is fragile
Ensure anyone and everyone not directly working for him will avoid him at all cost
Scare others into trying to leave, possibly while stealing supplies
Give people a reason to betray him

Like, I get portraying someone as cruel or evil for a story perspective, but keep it in the realm of possibility.

Jack Robinson
Jack Robinson

Character is defined as having a very specific job or role of some sort, one that is almost integral to their identity
He doesn't do his job because reasons, so he does something infinitely more retarded instead

Jose Hughes
Jose Hughes

Please don't get us started about the Punisher show

Ayden Reed
Ayden Reed

Sounds like your issue has more to do with the fact numale authors can't not fuck everything up rather than having a problem with the idea itself.

Chase Perez
Chase Perez

I got one
Leader character dies in the movie
New leader takes his place at the end of the movie
TV Series, New leader hates his job now, written like a complete jerk instead of the fiery hero he was in the movie while the guy who's reaction to a crisis in a movie was "I can't deal with that right now" is suddenly a better leader
New leader gets an episode where he finally excepts his role….and then old leader comes back the following episode.

Good god, Season 3 of G1 was loaded with wasted potential.

Brody Hill
Brody Hill

I dunno, I enjoyed the hate plague.

But yeah, there was a lot of shit.

Gavin Mitchell
Gavin Mitchell

Here's another hated trope of mine

Classic hero story where it's fun and lighthearted…really, it's just a fun story.
Revived series? Grim dark and edgy as fuck and the lighthearted and fun classic stories? Deconstructed or retconned away as just a dream or never happened while the story just devolved into hero being a damn prick and fucking the world over.

Good God, I hated it when they give old titles to cynical British writers…and then these sheep just lap up whatever said cynical British writers are doing, calling it deep and thought provoking. Hell, fuck deconstructions in general, you deconstructors are just that asshole who peed in the pool when everyone was having fun swimming in it.

Noah Murphy
Noah Murphy

Hate Plague and Predaking are the few good parts of Season 3. I just wished they re-ordered the episode around so Burden Hardest to Bear shouldn't be followed up by Return of Optimus Prime…or hell, just have Rodimus be this courageous but inexperienced leader…rather than him being a goddamn jerk everytime he's on screen (good negotiator though in one episode)

Adrian King
Adrian King

Detective whose personal life is shit

Dominic Morgan
Dominic Morgan

So…every film noir detective?

Nathaniel James
Nathaniel James

You are a faggot, OP.

What I dislike is more of a combination of tropes. I'll start with what I think is the only time that it is done well. The bully of the show is trying to always torment Pelswick and the straw that broke the paraplegic camel's back was the bully trying one up him in the paragames. In the end, the bully sustain an injury that would temporarily put him in a wheelchair. Everyone eggs Pelswick to take shots at him but he couldn't do it to the point that the bully gets angry that Pelswick feels sorry for him. His guardian angel made him realize that the reason was that he was a good person and he shouldn't feel bad about being one. Usually, the moral of the story gets forced by having everyone treat the bully nicer than Pelswick and have them shit on Pelswick for not even caring about the bully.

It the whole "the main character must be the moral paragon otherwise the constantly immoral side characters somehow gets the moral high ground". It is also how the main cast tries to justify the status quo to the point that positive changes are treated as a dilemma. Or the cheap "The person is only a bully because of their bad home life." How does that help anyone?

It reaches to the point where people base their public policy on it. "People only joined terrorist groups because of poverty or something similar" except it was already debunked.

Nicholas Phillips
Nicholas Phillips

Humans are the real monsters
dark is not evil
Really any "subversive" shit like that

Jeremiah Mitchell
Jeremiah Mitchell

Heroes can't kill under no circumstances, because it is morally wrong, even if done to save lives or in self defense
"When you kill a villain you are no better then them/they win"
These two are absolutely retarded. Throughout history, most great heroes killed people if necessary, but in mid 20th century far too many were pussified, likely due to Comic Code. There is nothing wrong with no kill rule if done right, but using above as justification is beyond lazy and stupid.

Now that I finally have a sample of antagonist's poison/blood/mutagen I can make an antidote!
<20 minutes passes
The antidote is ready!

Not sure if this qualifies, but:
Comic gets an adaption
Characters in adaptation have significantly altered looks, only tangentially related to originals and overall inferior
Adaptation becomes popular and suddenly character's look or personality in the source is completely altered to match ones from adaptation

despot leader kills his henchmen
This is pretty horrible too in most cases. It only makes sense if said leader is going mad and author intends for at least some underlings to revolt or defect. That's usually what happened to leaders like that in real world scenarios. Exile, demotion, temporary detention, humiliation, or shitty work would be more appropriate in most cases and could get message just as well.

Chase Gomez
Chase Gomez

hero passes the torch to his replacement
the replacement is always weaker, smaller and most importantly less charismatic than the old hero was even when he started out

If Old Hero can be a big guy with at least a small bit of confidence and charisma when he first becomes a hero, you don't need to make New Hero a small, annoying underdog that never manages to have even a fraction of the charisma the old one had.

Blake Garcia
Blake Garcia

character is said to be masterful hand-to-hand combatant/martial artist
they only ever throw wild haymakers, do some dumb judo throw, or a flipping kick

Parker Perez
Parker Perez

It's fine for the length of a movie, but not for a series. Midsomer Murders opened my eyes to how detestable and overused this trope is elsewhere; the fact that the detective actually has an enviably happy and almost naively content home gives a much better sense of contrast with what he faces on the job and a greater sense of danger when one threatens to spill into the other.

Hudson Sanchez
Hudson Sanchez

dark is not evil
It more of Japanese thing or at least the Christian mythology so edgy crowd.

I finished reading the first Devilman manga and I don't see how they are pushing this God is true villain in the story thing besides as a unnecessary way to extend the story. The same with SMT and MT which less the Bible isn't so black and white and more Lucifer has legitimate reasons, he isn't even Satan, he is the Messiah that wishes true freedom for humans and demons. It doesn't help that almost everyone else in the Chaos alignment is baby's first edge.

Juan Powell
Juan Powell

Character is said to be masterful at hand to hand combat
Does flippy shit that even real martial arts master would shake their heads at how unbelievable it is.

Oliver Torres
Oliver Torres

I thought in Devilman, Satan was the bad guy..but yeah, fucking hated when it's always God is the bad guy and Satan did nothing wrong BS.

Evan Cooper
Evan Cooper

I like the "no killing" rule when used in juxtaposition with people that actually kill, and having legitimate personal reasons to do so. Nowadays, Batman doesn't kill because he's genuinely afraid of himself. Meanwhile Green Arrow tries to avoiding killing as much as possible, but has no problem dropping someone if it's needed. In Trigun, Vash has a pretty faggy no-kill under any circumstances rule, but it's revealed that he has the rule Because he's severely traumatized from trying to kill someone before, which caused a backlash resulting in an entire city of innocent people being killed.
At this point, I'd like to see good fucking reason for a no-kill rule though. Have a story where the Punisher goes against some dude that actually comes back to life stronger everytime he's killed. Make it so the only way to permanently stop him is to get the police to lock him up in a secure facility. We're always fucking told that killing is bad because of philosophical reasons, give a legitimate fucking reason where you see concrete examples of not-killing doing good.

Carson Fisher
Carson Fisher

Later comics involved God punishing Satan by putting him in a time loop (so that there would be more comics) because we can't just let a story end in a self-inflicted tragedy.

Lucas Robinson
Lucas Robinson

Violence Jack or Devilman Lady? Because Devilman Lady happened after Violence Jack but the time just reset..well, in the manga at least.

Henry Collins
Henry Collins

Make it so the only way to permanently stop him is to get the police to lock him up in a secure facility
Sounds pretty crappy as, you know, a punishment, specially from the Punisher, and I doubt he'd trust anyone enough, let alone the police, to do the job. If something, it'd fall down to "I can't kill you but I can make you suffer forever" way of thinking, with trapping the guy and torturing him forever. Of course, you can build it up to that point.
I really like immortal enemies, you have to be really creative to stop them.
Philosophical reason isn't a legitimate reason
You wut? Also, what kind of examples you want? In comics you can just make up a graphic about how not killing criminals is good and go with it. Fuck, in Batman is the contrary, and Batman is constantly reminded of how things would be better if he actually killed the psychos, but he insists in "rehabilitation".
After The Divine Comedy, this view changed.

Jose Kelly
Jose Kelly

likely due to Comic Code.

The Comics Code was based on DC's own internal code, dumbass. Batman's "NO KILL" rule goes all the way back to New York World's Fair Comics 1940.

Colton Hernandez
Colton Hernandez

You wut? Also, what kind of examples you want? In comics you can just make up a graphic about how not killing criminals is good and go with it. Fuck, in Batman is the contrary, and Batman is constantly reminded of how things would be better if he actually killed the psychos, but he insists in "rehabilitation".
My point is that there need to be a few storylines exhibiting not-killing as a tangible positive. In Batman right now, Clayface has been working along side Batman and has become a crimefighter in his own right. Shit like that goes a LONG way toward making Batman's refusal to kill seem more reasonable. If you don't have shit like that happen, then the idea of "Why don't you just kill the Joker" becomes a looming cancer on the story that takes you out of it the longer it goes on, because it becomes more and more ridiculous.

Jayden Thomas
Jayden Thomas

The no kill rule is pretty childish tbh, there's a clear difference between killing and murder.
That being said, I can understand not killing the joker if he can be subdued non-lethally, he really should be excecuted but that's supposed the government's job, or at least that's how I see it.
But yeah, if batman ever lets a civilian die because he can't non-lethally stop the villian. that's terrible.

I'll do you one better
character is said to be masterful hand-to-hand combatant/martial artist
someone gets the drop on him for the sake of drama
The joker shouldn't be able to sneak up on batman, "but he's the joker" no, that's shit. The joker should only be able to challenge batman with his schemes.

Henry Baker
Henry Baker

Yeah well, that doesn't really work with messed up villains like the joker, dollmaker and pigface guy, that's another trope I don't like, >edgy villians in a superhero comic. They can kill people but cutting their own face off and wearing it is just stupid. I'm not offended by the edgyness, it just comes across as pretty lame

Nathan White
Nathan White

Sure, we all know that the Joker will never be rehabilitated, but seeing other criminals that were formerly insane turn good (or at least good-ish) makes Batman more believable, because it gives a sort of hope that maybe one day they might. Without seeing some actual payoff from his beliefs, it makes him just seem dumb.
edgy villains
Truly the worst thing about modern comics. The idea that anyone would put up with the Joker at all is laughable nowadays. Any cop worth his salt would happily blow him away the moment he had handcuffs on, the criminal underworld would have a million different contracts for his head, the governement would have executed him, and the citizens of Gotham would have stormed Arkham and killed all the inmates by now. The Joker isn't even "insane" anymore in a sense that would avoid getting the death penalty. I miss the days of having a group of henchmen that stuck by their boss because they looked up to him, not a bunch of mooks that are going to get shot just to showcase how evil he is.

John Bennett
John Bennett

then the idea of "Why don't you just kill the Joker" becomes a looming cancer on the story that takes you out of it the longer it goes on, because it becomes more and more ridiculous.
I do agree that you need to see build up or consequences, but that have already happened. Every time the joker do something fucked up, someone tells Batman to kill him, even Superman have. The reason that makes the whole thing so interesting is Batman's reason, that includes the example you did plus his trauma and the fact that he is scared of himself. Sure, not everything can compare to it, specially since Batman is old as fuck and had time to build the general feeling as to why he doesn't kill, but you don't need to do a lot, it basically boils down to
Give the hero a reason to not to kill
Give the hero a reason to not want to kill
Give the villains a reason to live for
Show the consequences of people killed and let alive
Honestly, that sounds like it would work better in a video game.

Jason Taylor
Jason Taylor

show does a small videogame parody
its another fucking Mario parody

Yes because Mario is normalfag tier shit. Why aren't shows referencing other vidyas like Metroid, Sonic, or Metal Gear more often?

John Flores
John Flores

Prisons and containment areas for villains are revolving doors at best.
Despite these places being awful at containment no one ever actually attempts to fix them.

Honestly something that starts to irk me nowadays is how every single villain, whenever they get caught and sent to prison or some other place meant to contain them, are immediately somehow let loose for the stupidest and flimsiest of reasons within maybe a couple weeks of their stay for plot reasons and this sort of thing is never addressed or attempted to be addressed by the hero or people who threw them in there in the first place.

The most immediate example is Batman and Arkham Asylum being nothing more than a little vacation home for villains to stay at whilst they lick their wounds before their next big plan.

Angel Price
Angel Price

One of my favorite comics was Supreme when Alan Moore took over. Believe it or not he took a grim dark ultra violent Superman clone, and made it into a classical fun comic. I think in that case Alan Moore was just fucking with the audience expectations of him as a writer, but damned if he can't write a classic story without any deconstruction.

Parker Gutierrez
Parker Gutierrez

Using fantasy creatures/supermen as a way to tackle fantasy racism/gay bashing/class warfare/something/whatever
Character has legit claims but he/she disagrees with the hero/heroine/whover so he/she's badwrong regardless of what gets said

See X-Men for the first one. Especially considering how strawmen villains like Senator Kelly are totally spot-on that Mutants need to be kept in check. Or Decimation where Cyclops is offended at the notion of being a Homo Sapien

Legend of Korra does the second one over and over. First it happens with Toph's daughter Lin and how she ruins Korra's fun, doubly during what happens with her sister Suyin (In A Nutshell: She more or less says her sister is a criminal brat who got away with it thanks to Mother's awful parenting, is right about that, but we're supposed to see she's being mean to poor little Suyin and side against her). Then it happens with President Raiko who does dastardly acts like banning Korra after she left portals enabling spirit plants to smash up Republic City open.

Landon Jenkins
Landon Jenkins

Yes because Mario is normalfag tier shit. Why aren't shows referencing other vidyas like Metroid, Sonic, or Metal Gear more often?
That is mild compared to everything in this episode.

Logan Diaz
Logan Diaz

I was watching this episode and was wondering…OK, what bastard made an online game, with an end goal mind you considering that most MMOs are supposed to be endless, have that the end goal of the game gave the winner unlimited access to the Internet?

Adam Long
Adam Long

Ends the whole "season" with a cliffhanger
Drops the whole thing and restart

Wyatt Richardson
Wyatt Richardson

A prison that can actually hold its convicts is like a hero who has no qualms about killing on the spot: they're ideas that sounds nice in principle but are anathema to superhero stories.

Anti-mutant proponents aren't strawmen because they're right, they're strawmen because they usually go to the kind of outrageous extremes that drive the fucking premise of the comics they're in. Engaging in everything between wrongful incarceration and outright genocide kills their core argument regardless of how overpowered most muties are. Hard to deny that the bigotry allegories are outdated though.

Jackson Taylor
Jackson Taylor

A prison that can actually hold its convicts is like a hero who has no qualms about killing on the spot: they're ideas that sounds nice in principle but are anathema to superhero stories.
There's plenty ways to keep villains coming back that don't revolve around them constantly breaking out. Throwing a person off a cliff and escaping while the hero rescues them is a lot better than constant prison escapes. Prison escapes can work, but if they're the default, it's retarded.

Michael Garcia
Michael Garcia

kills their core argument
Isn't that an ad hominen fallacy?

Carter Miller
Carter Miller

Anti-mutant proponents aren't strawmen because they're right, they're strawmen because they usually go to the kind of outrageous extremes that drive the fucking premise of the comics they're in.

So they're strawmen, thanks for agreeing. And just letting you know, it's not just about making death camps for whatever Mutant Shoah. Even things like making a cure for Mutant powers (even ones that are dangerous to others like Rogue's or deforming like Toad's is treated as a crime akin to forcing a Black man to turn White) or requesting some way to register Mutants is a step too far. And you know, there's how the X-Men show contempt for Homo Sapiens.

Alexander Bell
Alexander Bell

implying there is anything wrong with a mutie genocide
I want the Xavier Internet Defense Force to leave

Ayden Myers
Ayden Myers

Create a cure to stop mutants from wrecking shit
Start by curing the mutants responsible for keeping the other mutants in check
HOW COULD THIS GO WRONG?

Parker Rogers
Parker Rogers

the gender bender episode with the "the other side has it harder than you or is just like you"
If the general degeneracy and fanart isn't enough, all the episodes end and play out the exact same way. The only one I recall being even remotely good is the Fairly Odd Parents one.

Benjamin Wood
Benjamin Wood

We need to depend on what's a cult founded by a bald cripple to keep Mutants in check

Nobody said the there would be forceful curings. And there were hordes of Mutants showing up to take the cure anyway.

James Bennett
James Bennett

Fucking this.

Caleb Torres
Caleb Torres

"When you kill a villain you are no better then them/they win"
The no-kill rule is pretty childish tbh, there's a clear difference between killing and murder.
This, tbh, even the most correct translations of the ten commandments clearly state "Thou Shalt not Murder"
I haven't read Batman in a while but I thought the reason he didn't kill is that of the trauma of his dying parents, you know the kind of trauma that makes him dress in a Bat-suit and throw all his chances of a happy life to the gutter just to justify his insane 8yo kid/35yo manchild worldview?

Any cop worth his salt would happily blow him away the moment he had handcuffs on
Well, now that you're bringing IRL, cops are encouraged to not kill anyone unless a victim/hostage or himself are in immediate mortal danger because according to studies they get traumatized an ugly some. In fact, apparently more than soldiers just slower cause, they're not away from home. Regarding the citizens of Gotham storming the Asylum or Blackgate, really that would fit directly in the "If you kill them, you're not better than them" since it would be murder, not kill if anything they should storm the Mayor's office for making the security out of wet paper.

John Barnes
John Barnes

Elseworlds title where the government steps in when metahumans are doing shit
It's another fucking holocaust story
I genuinely thought it was a cool idea and hoped that maybe just once we could have a decent "regime" type elseworlds, but they had to turn it into another fucking Holocaust story. Why can't normal people win for once? Why is it always the metahumans who have to be right in the end no matter what? It happened in Secret Empire, in Age of X, why cant humanity have a fucking victory

William Perez
William Perez

If you don't have shit like that happen, then the idea of "Why don't you just kill the Joker" becomes a looming cancer on the story that takes you out of it the longer it goes on, because it becomes more and more ridiculous.
There's an interesting explanation for this in the German version of Death of the Family. At the End, Bruce tells Dick that part of the reason why he doesn't just off the Joker is that he's afraid that the city will send someone even worse. Not sure how much I like that explanation, but at least I haven't heard it before.

Robert Ortiz
Robert Ortiz

If you don't have shit like that happen, then the idea of "Why don't you just kill the Joker" becomes a looming cancer on the story that takes you out of it the longer it goes on, because it becomes more and more ridiculous.

Let's be honest here, the entire argument against Batman's code of ethics is because The Joker doesn't get the justice he deserves. This is, of course, the fault of writers edging him up to ridiculous extremes at the cost of Batman's competency.

And there's no way you can truly retcon it, since DC is milking the fuck out of books like The Killing Joke, Death In The Family, and Death Of The Family.

It's a fucking mess.

Justin Smith
Justin Smith

Let's be honest here, the entire argument against Batman's code of ethics is because The Joker doesn't get the justice he deserves.
Yeah. People always give Batman shit for not killing the Joker, but he could have been sentenced to death any number of times and the courts don't fucking do it. The cops don't kill him, even the citizens don't take fuckin potshots at him.

Batman is a product of Gotham, and it seems Gotham is retarded

Aaron Flores
Aaron Flores

Heck, even the law is retarded. If the Joker has killed many people…why in Sam Hill does the law think stuffing him back to Arkham was ever a good idea? Just execute the guy…is that too hard to do?

Camden Scott
Camden Scott

And this is the point where the suspension of disbelief shatters and you become aware that you're reading a product.

Xavier Cook
Xavier Cook

Batman would not even have to kill the Joker to take him out of the action. Maiming or crippling could hinder his ability to be a criminal. Good luck being a crime lord when you are deaf or blind and stuck on a wheelchair.

Michael Diaz
Michael Diaz

I wouldn't mind if he didn't kill so long as the stories reflected that.
The no-kill mantra is fine for fun Batman, but nobody in comics has any fun anymore. You can't pick up a comic without knowing a bunch of history about the characters and shit, there's no single issue self-contained fun stories that go on for more than a few issues.

I miss fun.

William Jenkins
William Jenkins

Well, Super-Sons is fun…but yeah, I miss fun in comics. Give me something fun (well, not something stupid but stupid fun)

Grayson Cook
Grayson Cook

Super-Sons is fun
I don't like Damian or Superkid
I don't know why DC insist on trying to make me like Damian

Brody Diaz
Brody Diaz

I miss fun.

Fuck you. You're going to get your human tapestry and like it.

Adrian Martin
Adrian Martin

You just explained any anime shit ever user
DBZ
Naruto
avatar
even fucking deathnote

Christopher Bailey
Christopher Bailey

Good luck being a crime lord when you are deaf or blind and stuck on a wheelchair.
That wouldn't be out of place in a Batman comic though

Asher Torres
Asher Torres

Look at all those contrarian, fags. If the thread was titled "Tropes you fucking love" with this example, I'd be called a fucking Korra fag and an SJW. Kys oh yeah!

At this point, there is little difference because its now used to push fucking affirmative legacy characters that nobody cares about.

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