Why did Black culture, which produced such beauty in the form of Jazz, suddenly lose its artistic merit and deform into the mess it's in today with the worship of drugs and crime through rap?
Sub-question: is Jazz truly degenerate?
To anyone who holds this opinion I highly recommend they listen to the work of Chet Baker
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Welfare happened.
Fascinatingly enough not even slavery broke up the black family unit, it took the welfare state to do that. Niggers are still niggers though, but they were given the opportunity to destroy themselves by the welfare system. Niggers with excess anything nig harder and more violently. They have to constantly be struggling to divert their attention from niggardly thoughts and impulses and with no job and Uncle Sam Bux every week in the mail that's exactly what they do.
Firstly, Jazz was already a step down from classical music. The only reason it was tolerable was because it still adhered to some of the classical standards in much the same way that impressionism was only tolerable when the painters still adhered to the classical standards.
Secondly, the civil rights movement, the welfare, the deliberate movement of cocaine into the neighborhoods, I believe these were primary factors.
Lol, get back to /r/the_donald, that's your cuckshed.
This.
Jazz isn't music, though. Music has a story to tell.
Jazz is just more or less pleasant sounding improv.
I've embedded some actual music for comparison.
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Kill yourself, tbh.
They ended segregation so there was no point in trying to impress anyone.
Enjoy your stale lounge music that never goes anywhere.
You can hear a lot of the same beautifully dissonant harmonies in late Romantic era composers like Claude Debussey.
There are a lot of jazz standards based off of ballads and showtunes that do just that.
Fun fact: Theodor Adorno, one of the founding members of the Frankfurt school(one of the starting points of cultural marxism, you should know this), thought jazz was a tool of the capitalist system to prepare workers for life in the factory(the beat being the rhythm of the machine, the changing pace of the music preparing the worker to rapidly adapt to changes at work, etc.).
Jazz was filled with drug addicted criminals and, niggers knew it and worshiped them. Rap is just more of the same.
Jazz is the confusion of skill with art.
Jazz only sounds like jazz, it sounds like nothing else.
It paints pretty much no pictures other than a jazz setting.
Or sauntering about, perhaps. It is very low on the theater of mind scale.
It's technical, and it requires skill, but I still can't really call it music with a clear conscience.
Sure, I refer to it with music, but I also refer to things like "Day of the Tentacle" as a game, even though it's not a game.
A game needs a losing condition, which DotT does not have, you cannot lose that game, only get stuck.
This makes it a toy, an activity, not a game.
It's like calling "roll a ball down a slide" a game.
With no rules like whose ball rolls down fastest, whose ball bounces against the sides the least, etc.
Only roll and wait until it reaches the bottom.
That is not a game, that's an activity.
Jazz is not music, it's just pleasant tones in 99.9% of all cases.
Go back to cuckchan, or wait for Holla Forums to come back up if you want to post this spam
They really are a fucking joke, it's like you take the Jews' victim complex and share it with everyone
>Architecture gets fucking destroyed into making bland commieblocks because anything artistic is made by burgers and doesn't let you turn actual people into machines/goods without a brain or "spirit"
Well he had some prescience it seems.
I suppose I would rather have skill without art than art without skill.
Jazz is essentially pop music, and immensely more artful than the works of postmodernists like John Cage, just as classical realism is more artful than neo-expressionism in the visual arts.
To add to that.
Do you know many other genres of music that have dedicated "fake books" with recipes you can just play up and down to "fake it" in order to play along with other jazz musicians?
Remember, jazz IS for niggers, and niggers are pretty good at mimicry, so I'm not blaming anyone too harshly on actually thinking they made music. Meandering and unexpressive as it may be.
Because the CIAniggers got their fathers hooked on crack and now you have an entire generation of an entire race in our country with daddy issues.
It was also easy to pull off because they're dumb to begin with. It was basically a test run and now a similar strategy is being used on our entire population.
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Shut up idiot, niggers happened. Niggers will be niggers, the outliers, who were already genetically engineered by White slave owners like dogs, hardly compare to the many, MANY Whites. Give me one, one African who comes close. Fuck off civicnationalist cuckfag.
No one said they were on par with whites. Shines used to know how to make music, contribute to society, and stay LARGELY out of trouble.
Even when they were clamoring for equality, they still worked. Once they were given the money to skip work and breed like rats that's when everything went down the shithole.
Sure it'd be better if they were sent back, but they weren't. Get over it, christ almighty
There are actually "fake books" out there for nearly every genre, but classical music is just the least conducive to "faking" because listeners expect you to accurately learn and replicate a detailed arrangement off sheet music with no deviations, whereas the big selling point of jazz is improvisation—so the most useful information for a performer to learn about a piece can be summed up in the "head" and chord progression anyways. Most other genres of music also don't require much information to play beyond melody, lyrics, and chord progression. If you've spent enough time around both, you'll know classical musicians and teachers are much more nitpicky than jazz performers over specific details in a piece.
Miles Davis is top tier. Go listen to Louis Armstrong. What wonderful, beautiful music. And today all they have to show for themselves is
On the one hand, it's sad. On the other, it probably couldn't have gone any other way.
Whites produced the beautiful jazz. Talented blacks got in on the act. But jazz, like rap, has a low bar of entry. Improvisation quickly becomes an ape shitting out notes from a trumpet. And once anything is associated with blacks, whether its a music genre or a suburb, whites flee. Jazz then became a ghetto.
Niggers are subhuman and whatever "culture" they develop will reflect that. Don't think that because a nigger can "act" civilized for five minutes that they are in any regard.
Its easy to pull arguments out your ass now after saying
Yes, that's why they provoked multiple race riots? Proving my point entirely, post discarded civcuck.
>by trashing other Americans like Italian-Americans or Polish-Americans who actually fought for the country
You're such a cuck, you qualify that as an achievement because on the inside you know they're useless monkeys. Who gives a shit if they worked, who DIDN'T. Fuck off cucks. Niggers will always be and always are subhumans.
That's like saying Chopin painted only nostalgia or melancholy. The album in the OP considered one of the greatest of all time was written by White American Bill Evans, who is easily on of the greatest musicians of the last century and invented what was called modal jazz, the structure to improvise around without going up your own arsehole like those free jazz faggots. It was grounded in classical dynamics.
ending segregation and the civil rights movement
Debussy or Stravinsky made better "jazz" than jazz. Jazz is just retards thinking that structure and all that makes jazz (improvisation, evolved harmonies) are incompatible.
Communism and Jews
Soviet agents saw the multi-ethnic population of the US as a weakness that they could exploit by getting the niggers all riled up, by convincing them that they were getting a raw deal because of capitalism (Remember, communism always appeals to 3rd world peoples). MLK was a socialist and surrounded himself with kikes and full blown communists. The Civil Rights act was a concession by the US to keep the niggers from going full red. The jews stil managed to use this as a foot in the door for the spread of Marxist thought and continue to use niggers as a battering ram to promote laws and policies that benefit them by proxy.
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It's obvious. Once we let them off the white mans boot they went and acted like true apes. Give them a bit of freesdom and they'll show just how sub human they are. It's the exact reason why stop and frisk policies helps black communities, they need to be under our boot.
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I think it's time to go back to cuckchan, friendo.
The same thing that happened to mainstream culture and art in general, it degenerated.
welfare
No one here cares about black culture kid. Just send them away.
What is unique about it that isn't aped from other cultures?
Try harder, moishe.
What a delicious verb.
Fucking wew lad
jazz is folk music from New Orleans Blacks
just like any folk music, it has a rigid structure: two-beat meter, syncopation and body language (swing).
That's why it spread as erotic music or easy listening, despite it kept some of the blues' noble and religious features (until free jazz, of course).
This is an expression of the negro body, but capitalism is at fault here.
Since WWII, we've gradually lost the very concept of waiting for a higher gain.
Just like porn and plastic, jazz is now one variant of the mediocre pop registry, that is produced and sold because it provides a quick response.
The left wasn't allowed to use chains to enslave the blacks anymore so they came up with a new form of slavery: Welfare.
Then the (((media))) pushed gangsta rap in the 1980's and that killed off most of the musical talent. Yelling in to a microphone with a drum machine in the background cut off any interest in learning how to play actual instruments.
Now they don't even know how to do that. Its all mumbling and autotune.
The 1970's was mostly shit but thats the last decade you see blacks being able to perform actual music. Even illiterate ghetto nogs could put together a band and play in the local pool hall back then.
Rap disapeered their musical ability and welfare removed the father to teach it to them.
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Desegregation.
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Why isn't this thread saged and reported?
As an extension of the impressionist musical works such as those created by Debussy, Jazz elicits a direct emotional response from the dynamic of the music itself rather than the context of the content (historical, religious, political). So by the nature of cultural evolution, it could be compared to a shift to more postmodern ideals; some will find this to be "degenerate" or at least preceding a shift toward the degeneracy we see today. Many will say that Jazz, like Pop, is easily digested and requires little talent to reproduce in a multitude of different manifestations.
Although jazz is both easy to listen to and create, the pleasing musicality of jazz shouldn't be disregarded. Further, jazz has merit not only in the easy-listening qualities of its infancy in the 50's, but also in its evolution into more technical and enjoyable forms such as Funk, Soul, and Jazz-Fusion.
So yes, to some it is.
kill yourself OP
And they were more prevalent and easier in the 40s forward, so?
Jazz is not beautiful, it's easy listening; background music you don't need to contemplate because it does not beckon contemplation. You could sit there and pay attention to it or you can chat away with people at the table and it wouldn't make much of a difference.
Jazz is literally a degenerate form of music without any sort of diction and structure, suited for niggers, druggies, whores and mindless party animals in the interwar period. Remember Hitler banned jazz. The fact the Jews spent the last 70 years trying to elevate jazz into some sophisticated haute culture doesn't change a thing, it's still degenerate nigger shit. I swear 20 years from now there will be cucked retards equating Tupac to Mozart and lamenting that black people don't produce such "valuable lyrical talent" as Tupac anymore.
You sound like a huge faggot.
The roaring 20's jazz age is basically what started (((women's liberation))) not to mention the biggest labels in jazz, Blue Note and Chess were run by jews.
To quote Richard Nixon
The arts, it's all just leftist and jews
Charles Mingus did some great albums tho
ALL BULLSHIT ASIDE, NIGGERS HAVE LOWER IQ's AND ARE UNABLE TO COPE IN THE MODERN WORLD, HENCE THEY ALL MUST DIE ON THE DOTR
I don't hate niggers because they're stupid, I hate them because they want to kill me and my race. Stupidity in itself is harmless.
I'm sorry that you became a jazz player.
I'm sure someone out there remembered YOUR version of "improvising" into your set of special jazzy chord progressions.
I'm sure it was very memorable to someone.
Good on him for polishing a turd then.
Is like saying, that's the best tweaked markov chain ever.
Look, it has slightly more complexity than other markov chains.
It paralleled the South's delayed modernization:
Decline of Church
Integration
Welfare and 'Open Borders'.
As for contemporary Jazz - and music in general - there's always a lineage of mentors, directly or indirectly, with recording technology and record distribution making building on that past increasingly easier. There's tons of quality, – we're just in the position of having to sift and filter through this fin-de-siecle redux of Weimerica. Build your hierarchies of quality.
This. Its development in the creole orchestra's of former French colonies produced a 'pop-ular' form of it, distinguished by its utility as Dance Music (as opposed to a passive symphonic presentation) first in Big Bands/Swing, and only later returning to its orchestral compositional roots with the shift to smaller ensembles and higher quality vinyl/distribution, before recombining them. Its primary contribution to European music was widening rhythmic horizons in experimental composition of the time, and reinforcing the trend in exploring dissonance/microtones.
Jazz in general reaches to approximate human speech. If conversation isn't 'story' enough, you may be autistic.
Jazz's inception was metaphysically Creole (this is taken too literally oftentimes.) Blacks, whites, and half-castes would be found in these early Acadian orchestras. The cult of musical celebrity is very recent, – it's been a historically low prestige (as with Actors) trade for most of its Western history.
This would infect the type of rock hipsters now parrot in the vaguely late 60's through 70s druggie rock ("The Less I Know The Better" Tame Impala music video is its apotheosis; if you haven't seen it, you have yet to reach cucking disgust levels that weren't even thought possible.) Even in the math/noise genres, there is structure adhered to, or producing a facsimile thereof that's uncannily poking out of the chaos like a Rorschach test.
KULTUR TERROR
This genre balkanization mirrors the disintegration of the American Black and his Family/Culture; the spectrum Jazz lay the foundations for contained and projected all these things itself. Very little Acid Jazz or Funk achieves on the level of a Mingus or Monk (the comparison is unfair perhaps; to shift the goalposts – or even parallels a Beach Boys - Pet Sounds as a Pop genre offshoot. )
This cannot be said where vocals are present. The social utility to the American Black of Jazz came through Church, and Dances organized thereby (arriving only well later in secular Dance Hall contexts.) That 'response' referred to IS religious, properly speaking – and conceptually originates in the Black American Gospel Choir's conventions (the more demonstrably emotive Southern Protestant sects Blacks subscribed to certainly influenced this development greatly.)
Take Five and find the word you meant to occupy the space of "diction", degenerate, illiterate, spiritual negroid
This
God's gift to musical academia folks, – those that can't do, ( ( ( C R I T I Q U E ) ) )
Again, I'm sorry that you lost time of your life pursuing that illusion of music.
Yes, music is communication, and jazz communicates being a lethargic piece of shit, or a sauntering negro on the way to the nearest watermelon stand.
Jazz communicates the same way the adults in peanuts cartoons communicate.
Wah wah wah, dun dun dun, brush-ka-brush-brush dun dun wah wahhhh dun dun brush, etc.
This eternal meme needs to die.
seriously, try and sell me jazz without referencing "technicality".
You can't, it describes nothing. Your mind does not soar. It is inert. It's a droning monologue.
In fact, jazz is so shitty and lifeless, I'm surprised it's not an asian invention.
They are insects replicators, after all.
But this is their strength in this regard, they replicate it without trying to be special snowflakes.
That's why their extruded music from the hivemind actually has an illusion of soul.
If whites never had made music (but music theory still existed) then asians would not have made music, at least not western music.
The only thing blacks reasonably do good naturally in music is rythm, improvisation becouse of their in the moment way of thinking and some melody.
You can become a good musician if you practice a lot. And blacks are somewhat tenacious. They don't have that much intelligence(intelligence basically lets you progress much faster), but they have dedication. To practice 24/7.
F.e. Hendrix never knew the music theory. Even basic. But the knew the sounds from rote learning. And of course becouse he was tripping on acid 24/7. But he wasn't excellent, despite the shilling.
The opposite is for asians. They can become very good in mechanical reproducing but they lack in emotion.
Whites are a good combination and they can adapt really good. The nog rythm and melody was adapted instantly and made into masterpieces in the late 60' and throughout the 70'. After that, kikes completely overtook the music business with glam(literally kikes) and cancer pop.
The last burst of white ingenuity was in the 90' with grunge. Which was pretty much instantly curtailed and snuffed out.
sage for non-poltical "Well, Holla Forums?" cuckchan tier thread,
That's from Big O innit? What's the name of that song, I must know
Nevermind, I'm tired and a fag.
Brick Ballades - Houston Street
Jazz was the first step user
Call him by his real name Theodor (((Wiesengrund)))
Wouldn't that confuse most people? Most folks know him as Adorno and the fact that he was a kike is wellknown anyway.
Oh no. The music he likes might "not go anywhere". What is he to do if his style doesn't become popular?
Wah I want my mommy
This topic is waste of time. Blacks hate, and always will. Uplifting the people who rape and murder you is fucking idiotic.
fuck off jew, white identitarians should not prioritize non-whites in any way shape or fashion save for propaganda purposes.
go back to 4kanker
More specifically, pic related kvetched and demanded welfare for the unfortunate, oppressed Negroes because slavery and equality.
civnat cucks gb2 >>>/cuckchan/
"Black culture" is literally South Africa after they gained control. Anything that used to exist in the US south was a result of them being forced by whitey to try to act more like us.
yes exactly the CIA choose the blacks as the staring point to debase and gain control of the population. According to the founder of the CIA : The most significant experiment which has yet been conducted in the adjustment of relations between “superior” and “inferior” peoples is the Russian handling of their Asiatic tribes in Siberia. The findings of this experiment support very strongly the conclusion that it is very important to foster spectatorship among the superiors and exhibitionism among the inferiors. In outline, what the Russians have done is to stimulate the native peoples to undertake a native revival while they themselves admire the resulting dance festivals and other exhibitions of native culture, literature, poetry, music and so on. And the same attitude of spectatorship is then naturally extended to native achievements in production or organization. In contrast to this, where the white man thinks of himself as a model and encourages the native people to watch him in order to find out how things should be done, we find that in the end nativistic cults spring up among the native people. The system gets overweighed until some compensatory machinery is developed and then the revival of native arts, literature, etc., becomes a weapon for use against the white man (Phenomena, comparable to Ghandi’s spinning wheel may be observed in Ireland and elsewhere). If, on the other hand, the dominant people themselves stimulate native revivalism, then the system as a whole is much more stable, and the nativism cannot be used against the dominant people.[73] [emphasis added] ~ Gregory Bateson”
They've always been like this. merely made the problem far worse.
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Even blacks don't want to be a part of black culture. The life-goal of a nigger is to reproduce with a white person: their genetics see such cleansing possibilities as an endeavor worth climbing Mount Everest barefoot for.
Even a nigger knows that when society sees a good-looking white woman with a feral nigger, it creates an emotional response akin to the Romans seeing Hannibal at the gates.
lol u fucking squares its OK to like good music
