Maoism sucks. I hate third-worldism with every fiber of my being, and think that the emphasis on rural workers is revisionist garbage that directly contradicts Marx. Every Maoist seems to be some edgy teen who hates the West because it's the West, and thinks bourgeois nationalism in the third world is more worthwhile than socialism in the first world.
Am I correct or am I just unconsciously racist?
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Maotism is idpol
im no third worldist but i do think that third world poor yet industrialized nations like india have more revolutionary potential because they haven't been brainwashed with anti-commie propaganda and they have much weaker armies and more poverty
This. IMHO, you could make an argument for Third Worldism solely based on Debord and the Frankfurt School.
but can a third world revolution really succeed?
yeah you would just need a powerful army to stop the first world from raping your ass and have to focus on ending poverty more then you would in a first world revolution
It did in the past.
This. Wasn't one of Marx's core ideas that the conditions necessary to create socialist revolution and build a socialist society could only occur in an industrialized urban setting?
And this was one thing Marx got seriously wrong.
Even Spain wasn't entirely industrialized come 1936.
that is all there has been
Mao did not forget about the urban industrial proletariat. In fact he said it was the leading force of the Chinese revolution. The only difference was that he thought there was revolutionary potential in the peasantry and also anti-imperialist potential in the Chinese bourgeoisie and Petit-bourgeoisie. He was proven correct by their success against the KMT and the Japanese invaders. However it is no longer relevant as feudalism doesn't exist any more.
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Mao lived under feudalism and he only emphasized the rural revolution because the CPC was losing every battle in the cities. He said the most important thing was taking the cities but they needed strong positions in the countryside before they could do it.
There is no way a country can have a socialist revolution in the middle of being the victim of imperialism and especially while being in the middle of a fucking war. It totally contradicts class struggle to focus on class struggle while Japan is literally committing genocide in your own country with the goal of wiping out your race.
Meaning, New Democracy and "unity of all classes" are also outdated, no?
why don't you just throw a Swastika, NazBol, Falange, and Useful Idiotism into the god tier too. distinctions matter, and the DPR and Dengism are well worth fighting.
Of course New Democracy is outdated. It was only ever relevant during the chinese revolution, but they won so of course it is not relevant. However there are still parts in it that are usefull. It would be anti-maoist to try new democracy in india or south america but it would be anti-marxist to totally disregard it. Unity of all classes was also designed for the japanese invasion but it could apply elsewhere, for instance right now in Western Kurdistan to be used against the Genocidal ISIS. Rojava must have a successful national revolution before it can become a socialist movement.
Ukraine is definitely fascist and pro-nazi. It is entirely acceptable for a leftist to join hands with an anti-fascist organisation like the DPR
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As for dengism, it is totally okay to fight them in your party but it is not something to declare an enemy of the revolution. Nazis should be thrown out of any communist party but dengists only need to be thoroughly debated and scrutinized.
So, do you agree with Rojava taking weapons from apartheid Israel?
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there are neonazis on both sides of the civil war. Russia has more neonazis than anywhere else in europe. DPR are a bunch of Putinbot fascists and Russian Army personnel. It's a battle of Russian Hegemony, nothing more. all DPR will accomplish is shooting down a civilian airliner and getting annexed by Russia.
Maoism=/=Third Worldism, this is basic. You can hate Maoism all you want but at least understand what it actually is.
Yes I do, while I dislike Israel it reminds me of the time the USSR created a pact with Nazi Germany. It is obviously not a sign of support but rather what they must do.
While there may be neo-nazis on both sides, only Ukraine has openly fascist and obviously entirely neo-nazi paramilitary groups. Only Ukraine has larger nationalist movements that worship fascists and actual nazis.
Keep in mind also that the DPR is currently fighting those fascist paramilitaries. It is not like these military groups are all in northern and western regions of Ukraine. They are actually in the southeast actively engaged in battle with the DPR. This is what makes the DPR anti-fascist. It is currently (to this minute in face, if you have been following the war) engaged in battle against fully fascist groups. This is different from a group with some fascists or a group aligned with fascists. They are, as we speak, firing bullets and mortars at 100% fascist groups.
Fourth Political Theory isn't Nazi. Dugin himself has said he sees fascism as totalitarian.
Most of the Nationalists on DPR's side of the civil war are more Naz Bol, Nat Synd, Eurasianist types, which are closer to us than the typical Neonazis you see in Azov.
Based Hindus don't give a shit about your materialist based concept of poverty and want to chill with Krishna anyways.
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Most of the successful socialist revolutions where 3rd world. Do you have any idea how backwards the USSR was before the revolution?
So religious conservative ultranationalists are left wing now?
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what isnt LARPing then?
no but depending on the circumstance they can become our comrades for a certain period of time.
No you're pretty much correct, Mao does have some interesting things to say, but Maoism as a movement is garbage. It's a left-nationalist movement only relevant in regions that have not actually been proletarianized, like the Naxalites in India. Thus it fundamentally lacks the capability to move into communism.
The only noticeable Maoist I can think of is Badiou, who was part of the deeply heterodox Mao-spontex tendency of "post-partyism". That said, they were also pretty garbage.
Left wing "fascism" can be worked with. We have common ground NazBols, Nat-Synds, Eurasianists etc.
When you're movement is so utterly defunct of theory that you have to stoop to supporting Russian, capitalist-supported, ethnic right-wing nationalist proxies to make your outdated "anti-imperialism" rhetoric seem relevant, you're LARPing. You're a tendency bereft of any actual potential for building and practising communism in the 21st century.
You have failed to even apply the most basic lesson of your god-emperor Mao:
Kid, listen to yourself.
The part where they want an ethnic nation-state, the part where they want to return to "traditional" ways of life? You're literally implying that the Communists had common ground with Hitler, though I suppose that's a good excuse for the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.
Anti-imperialism isn't worth supporting if it isn't anti-fascist too.
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If SJWs had any brains, they'd be Duginites.
these people will get the wall right after the fascists and capitalists.
The CPC became allies with the KMT multiple times. They were a US backed capitalist group.
This is the true meaning of forgetting concrete analysis of concrete conditions. You are forgetting strategy in favour of principle.
There is nothing fucking wrong with supporting the DPR (a not actively fascist group and mostly left wing) in their fight against organised systemic fascism and racism, paramilitaries and actual governments that either hate Jews or are mostly Jew haters
You are all forgetting the concept of strategy. Firstly we know that you must destroy imperialism in your country in order to have a socialist revolution otherwise intervention in your revolution will make it too difficult to handle.
So then what is the point in this liberal attitude of saying that we cannot align ourselves with enemies to destroy the imperialist threat and then attack that fascist group when imperialism is no more?
This is what it means to be sectarian. "I can only ever support people who 100% agree with me."
I have a song for you.
Anti-Imperialism isn't worth supporting because we don't actually have Imperialism (as defined by Kautsky and later Lenin) any more. Today it literally means "enemy of my enemy", including other capitalists states if they you happen to have a special hateboner for the US.
FTFY
Imperialist states still exist that start wars for financial gains. This is the case in Asia, Africa and South America constantly and currently in Africa and the Middle East.
What you said doesn't really apply either. While I agree with you on things like people who support Assad, no anti-imperialist supports ISIS or Russia even when they are fighting the US. This is because they are either not the victims of Imperialism or they are doing much more to induce imperialism than get rid of it.
Yeah, and look what that brought them, dead and replaced with a nationalist movement.
Are you kidding me? A person that supports whatever the US seems to hate on at the moment is accusing me of putting strategy behind principle?
This the part where you tell me Putin is anti-capitalist or something? Any serious USSR revivalism (which is in itself no way or form communist) was purged within months by state-sponsored elements, a reminder of Spain if anything.
I suppose you're also part of the crowd who believes not voting for Hillary is sectarian?
In other words you literally don't know what Imperialism meant?
Oh boy I have news for you.
I have no words for this stupidity.
I've never actually met a Maoist
dude what
Indonesia massacred hundreds of thousands of people during their own Red Scare
The difference in strength between the early USSR and the United States/Britain is nowhere near as wide as the difference between Bangladesh and the United States, though
Are you sure about that? I think all modern Maoists are strong third-worldists, and vice versa.
Maoism Third Worldism is a minor (ironically) first world trend among Maoists. The vast majority of Maoists (including every single active Maoist revolutionary movement like those in the Philippines and India) are not third worldists.
Third Worldism is revisionism.
Third Worldism barely exists, I don't understand how it built up so much controversy around it. I guess people got offended at Jason Unruhe's edgier statements.
wtf yeah we do
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So strong army and socialism in one country. NazBol is cool for the third world?
Most socialistic movements in the third world were nazbolish to one degree or another. Turd Position goes with turd world quite nicely. Not to mention the 4th political theory echos some third worldistish ideas.
At this point, anti-imperialism is usually a buzzword for "support Putin"
Isn't it essentially the biggest point of divergence between Mao and Lenin?
And China today is third-worldist in a weird capitalist way. They see themselves as the guardian of the third world against Western imperialism.
This is what happens when Asians try to do Gommizm.
maoist are the weaboos of the left
I don't see why not. The world is getting sick of the US's shit, and the US being the unelected World Police is why left wing revolution never took off during the Cold War.
You obviously have never been to a 3rd world country. There is a reason why bourgeois are so predominant here, and are likely to remain so. The "third worldists" lack any form of critical thought, so they just choose between generic socialist ideology and generic conservative ideology. Of course they don't know jack shit about any of them, and just are told to hate the other party as hard as they can. There is 0 revolutionary potential in the third world.
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