Will legion fix WoW?

Absolutely. Legion will definitely save WoW.
It'll fix all the problems for sure this time.

Preorder now, don't forget the collector's edition.
Also see the movie in theaters and tune in for the movie livestream june 6!

nothing will happen

you dont need to remove areas to fix these

no because I don't think blizzard knows how they broke WoW in the first place.

Also metzen's obsession with redemption and messianic archetypes.

You really aren't from around here. Are you getting paid at least buddy?

No, it's damaged goods you can't fix.

Class Halls had promise…until they became Facebook 2.0: Garrison Boogaloo. This was my deal breaker.

Hero class is another fucking tank/dps hybrid, something the game didn't need. It needed a heroic healing class to go with Demon Hunter, or a class that isn't a joke (Monk).

Blizzard still has no idea on what they want to do with most of the class specs. Their pruning almost ruined every spec with a healing spell until the community really bitched about it. Some specs are just fucked (non-Prot warriors, and even Prot Warriors).

Bad designs from the past two expansions still exist. Monk is so fucking bad, Blizzard doesn't even know what to do with it after 4 years. They don't even have any decent armor sets.

Don't get me started with the lore-killing sjw shit Metzen is throwing into Wow (I don't care about Sylvanas).

No, but legacy servers might bring it back to its originally cancerous state. That's as close to fixed as WoW is like to become. Which says something about the devolution of WoW.

The only fix wow needs is them shutting it down. Even capcom gets tired of beating a dead horse every once in awhile.

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Blizzard had better hope the 94% who want to see it will be nice enough to try the free game sub let alone buy the upcoming shitty expansion. It's getting trashed by critics.

Don't hold your breath for legacy servers. Metzen and Blizzard will refuse to accept the fact that they really fucked up.

Hi, my name is SFV. I don't think we've met.*

*This game is getting worse each month, and Capcom isn't even trying to fuck up. The game is a mess.

They can't "fix" WoW because in order to do so, to fit your view on what is "fixed," they would have to abandon their entire current userbase and hope that the old userbase would come back. A decade after being abandoned first.
And Blizzard would never risk losing their current ~8m subscribers in order to get ~2m to be happy.

Capcom makes more games than just Street Fighter. Even though they don't want you to know that.

As a casual non-guild fag who cared mostly about a lore.
I don't even care after they decided twisted nether can allow them to resurrect popular characters.
They showed me there is nothing here for me.

Also my friend was hugely into it, 3 months after WoD his entire guild just dropped.
This game already destroyed the story of it and its gameplay.

If anything I will go back to BDO, playing imbalanced MMO that is 90% reliant on grind is much more appealing then waiting for legion.

its warlords part 2 basically but with more demons
I mean if it was 5 years ago playing a demon hunter would of been awesome but my time playing that shit game has past.
and only mmos I sink into is FFXIV

I can't name from the top of my head any recent Capcom games that weren't rubbish besides Dragon's Dogma, and that's barely "recent"

No it streamlines wow even further by removing even more kinds of stats, and only showing and giving you stats you directly need.

The current user base really hates WoD as much as the old userbase. The WoD team really thought the Facebook and Twitter features were WoD's best features with a straight face; two fucking features no one wanted.

They're down to less than 6 million. WoD really put a dent on WoW because only a few fanboys will raid one dungeon for nearly two years. It hasn't improved.

They're lucky nobody messed up Monster Hunter yet.

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The current userbase is still the late-Wrath or Cata players, though. It isn't the people who allowed WoW to even get that far, which are 90% of the people calling for WoW to get "fixed"
I couldn't find any good sources for a current active sub number. Best I could find was an article from mid-2015 saying they were above 10m again, and I knew they'd dropped since then…

Dubs thread?

to fix wow, i think they'd want to announce a WoW reboot a month or two after patch 7.2 or 7.3 comes out, and keep metzen and SJW stuff completely uninvolved as well

but i dont expect blizzard to do that

how many non-chinese people play retail WoW these days anyway?

I don't know why they thought drastic changes would help keep players involved. My friends and I played WoW for years. They stopped paying attention, so when I told them that combat rogues had been removed entirely, they didn't actually believe me. Surv hunters being melee is probably fine, but it looks like they play like complete shit. They also removed all those interesting stats that they had JUST ADDED IN and removed stat affinities that helped give players an idea of what stats they wanted on their gear. Keep in mind that there was nothing inherently wrong with stat affinities, especially since their goal was to help players understand more of the game without having to go to online guides.

In fact, the dungeon journal was an incredible addition to the game and more games should have it specifically FFXIV because there just aren't enough people playing that game to generate quality info sites like wowhead or elitist jerks. It was great being able to read up on a boss while clearing trash on the way. You still didn't know exactly how to beat it, but you knew what to look out for, like interrupts or adds, etc. Putting the tools for success into the hands of players is a fantastic decision in game design unlike FFXIV with their arbitrary stat caps on gear and diminishing returns on scaling, as well as giving you zero indication how much crit % or determination % you're actually getting from your gear.

That was during WoD's release.

Come late 2015, the sub number was so bad around the end of the year, it made Blizzard stop posting sub numbers.

I played it some years, never any good because i'm a shit player and don't care enough to get better either.

But one thing that killed my interest was how it turned from levelling and going on adventures, doing things together with either friends or strangers through the internet on a game, to just grinding. Everything is a grind, levelling is now a grind to get to full level, getting rare gear is a grind, everything became a grind and away went the social aspects of the game that made it good in the beginning. Which basically was a decent game, with decent graphics accessible to most, based on skill-level and prestanda-level to a large number of people.

Now it's just like a bad soap-opera.

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But even Wrath and Cata players should get sick of how awful the game has become. The game actually still had some heart and soul back then. Now it's utterly bland and boring, anything interesting has been removed in favor of 'more engaging gameplay.'

In response to Nostalrius being taken down, Sodapoppin (a popular streamer) made a character named after the server and leveled it to max in just over seven hours. To put that into perspective, the infographic that was released after Nostalrius went down listed the average time to hit 60 to be ten days of actual /play time. Keep in mind that 60 is less than 100.

i don't know one way or another, but what i do know is this is their hail mary. either it's going to be great and start to fix things although frankly with their current writers i really seriously doubt this or it's going to probably be the final nail in the coffin

as someone who actually bought warlords of draenor i'm mad enough to want to point and laugh and say "ha it's all over man" but blizzard knows how to make money. i feel that at worst legion is going to be a poorly written expansion that will add enough to the treadmill to keep the lifers occupied, but i have a feeling they might add something that might make you want to play again - even something as simple as another fishing tournament, or some new mechanics for this or that, or a new hard mode raid or something

tl;dr i dunno my bff jill

If Wow wasn't doing so poorly, Nostralius would still be around because Blizzard knows they're losing subs.

I bet you anything come Legion's release, they'l gladly post sub numbers until it tanks again because Legion is going to be another disaster.

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I honestly think it's going backwards.
I feel like it's the second expansion in a row to milk off BC nostalgia

Wrath started the "more engaging gameplay" train. They started loading in missions where you control a copter and do stuff that is not pressing your primary skill keys. I even seem to remember some comment from a designer during the press hyping for Wrath about how this was great and a big move for the game. And Cata was the expansion that popularized 12 months of 1 raid, wasn't it? Not to mention its intent on pushing further away from the classic style of WoW, by allowing flying in every zone, bringing required levels for everything down further and further, etc.

Dude, where are you getting that from? Blizz/Activision stopped releasing their subscriber count because it has been dipping lower and lower due to their players being unhappy with the current state of the game. From forum posts where people who had multiple accounts stopping entirely to even casuals saying "This aint right."

As for the 2m you mention, thats rich you say that considering WoW at it's peak while still being good was at 5m with WotLK.

And considering that most of the players from WoW's current fanbase are giving up WoW in favor of FF14 as well as the old fanbase, that should really say something.

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The incredible irony is that a large portion of the Nostalrius crowd had active subs. Turns out they just liked the game, both then and now. But Blizzard just had to be petty and spit on their fans. I wouldn't be surprised if they lost subs from people who had been on the fence about quitting because of it.

Wrath was when they first implemented vehicle combat, which wasn't part of their current streamlining efforts. In fact it probably complicated everything and was very casual unfriendly. I honestly don't remember much of Cata, I was already on my way out by then when my Wrath guild died.

Yes but they're hemorrhaging subscribers while Nost managed a full pop vanilla server. Right now WoW is doing so bad even the brass is wondering why they haven't made legacy servers yet for those old subscriber numbers, especially after EQ had success with legacy servers. Mike Kern and Nost are confirming they are still talking out attempts to get vanilla servers back.

Panda was a good expansion.

I'm about to give your asshole a good expansion, bitch.

No idea how monk is, why is it so shit and the least played class?

Will shit threads fix Holla Forums?

Hint: Free servers have bigger pops than pay-2-online ones because they're full of chinese, russian and huehues who are too poor to even buy a decent computer.

I'm not gay.

sure thing

Monks were fun and it had good raids.

No.

A few people will play it for nostalgia sake, and try the new dungeons and spec builds* (Survival being a melee Hunter spec).

*Unless people are bitching about what's happening in the current Alpha/Beta, and word gets around. They've been pretty quiet about the game's current shape due to some release date and Nostralius drama. Legion was supposed to be out by now, but they didn't even test the 7.0/7.1 endgame content yet.

I still wouldn't hold my breath. Blizzard will make sure the legacy servers are shite, so you can embrace the shit that's Legion and WoD.

Panda Land was fucking terrible:
-Shitty raid designs and boss mechanics full of bad RNG (Hearth of Fear, Isle of Thunder, Durumu, Lei Shen)
-Monk is the worst class in the expansion
-Isle of Thunder was overcrowded shit, and Timeless Isle was boring after two weeks.
-Wrathion was a wasted character
-Elder charms were useless for 5 patches
-First half of MoP was nothing, but daily rep grinding
-Two loot drops per boss, and loot rng was pretty bad.

SoO was the only good raid in Panda Land. Monk was shitty.

All of its specs and armor sets suck, and Blizzard never know what to do with the class with each expansion (It was basically a shitty Rogue with healing and tanking specs that replace two dps specs). Whatever the Monk did, others did a better job.

Hint: If they made new WoW completely free 2 play, they would still have trouble maintaining a real server population.

Is that a serious question? WoW died many expansions ago.

Oh boy, I can't wait to log in and do all my "Class hall" missions for the day and then log back off!

Yeah. no. Fuck off OP.

Oh goodie a legion thread. Let's go over why it's complete shit!

what the fuck

planets are giant titan eggs or something and the old gods infest them because they can't actually beat a titan in a fair fight.

lol ur butthurt faggits

So the other titans were doing weird experiments on one of their own?

I don't think the planet itself is a titan so much as it contains one. I don't know if it was always there, which would explain the titan's desires to scout out new world or if they just put it there and turned the planet into an incubator. seems just like a twist for the sake of a twist if you ask me.

Why not read Warcraft Chronicles for $25 per volume, eh goy?

No

But what it will do is have shit that WoD should have had.
Namely:

I figure it will be more WoD though

I'll roll a seamen Demon Hunter and have fun with that after leveling my main, get board and then probably quit for like 8 months and then raid full god damn raids instead of fucking around with piecemeal raid bullshit made so the kikestines can try and jew $15 more out of people.
I'll get whatever legendary trinket/necklace shit I'm betting they'll have after a while and then stop playing until the next expansion if they even care and still have subs at that point.

Almost every single spec has been fucked on one way or another, and almost always for no good reason.
There is a point where the dumbing down goes too far, especially when no new people will play wow.
Special fuck you to Monks, all three specs got destroyed, and a VERY special fuck you to brewmasters, where the lead class designer responded to criticism to the gutting of the class (the class acts completely different, and what was one of the most engaging classes has become mind-numbing awful) by making a guide with pearls such as YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO STAY AT 35% HEALTH BRO, THE HEALERS HAVING A HEART ATTACK IS NORMAL and SEEING A SMALL BROWN ORB AS SMALL AS MY DICK THROUGH ALL THE EFFECTS AND THE XBOX HUGE ENEMY MODELS WHILE TANKING IS A CORE CLASS MECHANIC DUDE.

My favorite fuck up was what they did to fury

Their pride is going to this expack

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They were always like that, even during vanilla. ESPECIALLY during vanilla. The only reason they tried to get their shit in order was because the forums were up in arms.

did cataclysm fix wow? did pandaria? warlords of draenor? there you go. you've got your answer.

There's no fixing what WotLK and Cata did to that game.

That sounds like classic WoW design.

This shit's been happening since the start of WoW. It's the biggest reason why people want to stick to vanilla - because after vanilla they started clamping down much harder on unapproved playstyles instead of letting people have their fun.

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Every fucking time.

>I got flashbacks of my first ever warrior. How it took ME time to get mats for the shining silver brestplate. How it was amazing doing Uldaman with random people. How blown my mind was
I knew I could never recapture the magic. But it was that conversation that really stuck it deep and made me realize how gone it was.

Middle of march*

Doubt it.

But the legacy servers might do something.
If they actually make em and they aren't shit.

But this is blizzard afterall.
Can't get my hopes up for em.

oh private servers.

When running on the last pre xpac patch, it kinda made sense they didn't let silithus be a literal giant empty spaceuntil AQ and left in the t.5 quests so people can get into raiding.

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It's always been the fucking other way around. They are basically ignoring their own lore now. They should team up with Tito Kuboe

that event lasted for a month though, you made it seem like they set it permenantly

oh well WoC soon hopefully a majority of the Holla Forums group is in waiting for it, playTBC was a massive sham and I feel sorry for the fools who were legitimately hyped for it

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legion wont be like all the others man

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Saurfang will send only a fews orcs to help Sylvanas in the war. The horde will eventually win Gilneas and push back the Alliance to Arathi Highland, where they will take back Stromgarde from the forsaken there. Pissed off that no one in the Horde but the Blood Elves came to help her, Sylvanas sends the Orcs to fight in Arathi against the Alliance on their own.

We go in hurry with Khadgar in Stromgarde to tell the Alliance and the Horde about the events, only to find out that all the Orcs were massacred by the Alliance during the war without the support of Sylvanas.

Some leak, but knowing Metzen and Blizzard, comic book fucking writing where a death of a character doesn't have that much impact.

please let this happen

You dumb fucking goys, you didnt walk into a door, it wasnt your fault. Its actiblizzion putting out shit content relying on nostalgia.

If you fall for it again you are a blizzdrone, understand it and then the healing can begin.

I guess shills have given up on Holla Forums. Not that I blame them, Holla Forums is a buffet for shills.

WoW was never good, fixing it would require making it a completely different game.

Jaina dying
jesus that is going over board even for jewblizz

Pandaland had potential as a good expansion because Wuxia and initial interesting lore potential as break from MUH OLD GODS.

But they squandered it. Hard.

The funny thing is that the the unofficial Fistweaver "spec" was probably the best path they could gone with it as a Melee Healer if they had boosted its efficiency a bit.

But they basically ended up removing it as being possible instead.

tl;dr probably no, but might be a bit better than WoD was.

what ever happened to him?

Wait, are they really going through with this Illidan is the prophecy, and he gets to finally bang his brother's girlfriend shit?! Seriously?

Who else can lead the Horde besides the Blood Elves? Baine does little or nothing, and the Goblin Prince doesn't really give two fucks about the Horde. That said, fuck Sylvanas, and fuck Metzen.

This had better be a joke just to fuck with Holla Forums /MRA guys. This is even more retarded than SocialJusticeWatch.

It can't be worse than Monk, right? Monk has one of each, yet it's still a garbage class.

Arms Warriors got fucked over too. So I guess they still went through with ruining all the other healing specs.

Another deal breaker for me was what they did to Resto Druid during WoD's development: they just removed every fucking MoP ability they gave them because they were too lazy to fix shit like Symbiosis. What was the point of playing the fucking build if I lost all of my tools from the expansion they won't admit was also one of their fuck ups?! They still won't admit they also fucked up Panda Land.

The funny thing is BC kinda sucked out of class balance. That attunement quest wasn't fun if you weren't a healer, FoTM dps, or tank, and nobody like dungeons like Shattered/Sethekk Halls on heroic.

I thought Velen was supposed to die in WoD?

They need to go. Jaina has been a crazy bitch since Garrosh nuked Theramore, yet they do nothing with her. I would love raid fights where you kill her and Sylvanas.

I was one of the few people who actually looked forward to Panda Land. They really fucked up that expansion.

Funny thing is Illidan was supposed to come back around the end of MoP; we wound up with WoD instead.

He didn't do much after WoLK other than getting his ass kicked by Garrosh's forced in PandaLand.

Wait what.

Wait what.

I used to be quite a heavy pvper in TBC as undead rogue.

I am going to play Legion just to wPvP and kill every person I see for the first month and quit. What's the counter-class to Demon Hunter or should Rogue be good enough?

Whats the go to spec these days/legion time? Stun Maces, Hemo Maces, Shadowstep Combat, Mutiliate?

Yea…they changed the Rogue specs to make them "different" a la Hunter (Hunters can use melee weapons…again…as Survival Hunters). Chances are you can still be a little shit in PvP if you find the right spec.

who's the real faggot here?

i was giving it abit of a google and man, talent trees are gone, wtf? Legion PvP balance opinions seem to be all over the place. I guess I'll just go in with my rogue and be as big of a shitter as I can.

Are defensive raid cooldowns still a thing?
Is LFR awarding good enough gear that hardcore raiders need to farm it for the current tier?
Is the healing model still based around having near infinite mana and topping off the raid instantly?
Are healers still 100% unable to defend themselves in 1v1 PvP?
Is the game balance still not split between PvE and PvP?
Does loot still fall out of the sky at the rate of 6+ pieces per boss?
Are raid bosses still about shitty mechanics instead of chaos and personal responsability?
Are alt raids still encouraged by the systems in place?
Are 5 mans still a complete fucking joke or have they finally gone back to the TBC heroic days?
Is threat still 100% irrelevant?

If the answer to one or more of these questions is "no", then Legion won't be able to save WoW because the WoW devs still have their heads up their asses.

This. Let it rest.
I stopped playing in Wrath but saw what they were doing to the game and I'd never go back.

I still like the original RTS games and regularly play WC3 online.
That reminds me, why have I never seen anyone try to get people at least for some customs or an FFA?

Man, are you in for some disappointment.

yeah Jay "Fuck That Loser" Wilson sure is gonna fix it, just like he fixed D3

youtube.com/watch?v=Do5s0MQvF9s

kill me

I miss nostalrius.

in other words, no.

Yea, the game is fucked if Jay Wilson is involved. Get this: the schmuck who was in charge with some of D3's design is also involved (Some Asian guy).

I hope you like shitty gear and itemization in Legions with a side of sjw shite.

I don't get it. Blizzard pretty much admitted to D3 being a mistake. Why wasn't that incompetent retard (who doesnt even like vidya) let go? Why was he given LEAD position over a WoW expansion (biggest Blizzard'd earner) after his massive failure?

Does he suck dicks? Is he married to some Activision hotshot's daughter? What the fucking is going on in that company?

I wonder if some men really did suck dick to get to a high position even though they weren't gay.

really all nost had going for it was pop, which was about 80% gold farmers

Blizzard doesn't want to admit to their mistakes even if it cost them dearly.

You'd think they wouldn't let Jay Wilson near another game after Vanilla D3 flopped.

Time for sage

Because Blizzard is about office politics and knowing that you know better than your stupid consumers.

If they were competent, Jay Wilson would not have been hired in the first place.

Sadly true. They had some really retarded fixes and GMing. But the GMs were easy to troll, so there's that.

See, you say "flopped," but it was still a gigantic financial success. If I remember correctly, it was the biggest PC game sales-wise, ever.

The immediate reaction to it, of course, was highly negative, but people had already bought it in droves, and when push comes to shove, that's what matters most for the publishers. It took them until RoS to fix the most glaring problems, and there's really no excuse for that. But sales are sales, and if you're lead on a game that's a huge financial success, what recourse does the company have to fire you? You did your job too well?

I'm not excusing vanilla D3's problems, mind you, particularly the abomination that was the RMAH. Just pointing out why he's still around. Hell, the D3 things that they're porting over to WoW (adventure mode -> world quests, greater rifts -> mythic+ dungeons, transmog collection) are all things from RoS and not vanilla anyway.

not by a long shot. it was the best in terms of day one sales, yes.

Well I only liked the population and how retarded the barren chats were.

I think I will get back in Kronos and see if a lot of people are still playin in that server.

But RoS sucks.

I'll try to find the pics from the ending sequence, don't know where i have them.
In the meantime you'll get to know what'll happen to Valirian.

Fuck, I mean Varian.

I have no idea if Velen is really dead or not. He did sacrifice himself to turn a Naaru back to the light. He did that to save the black temple from being taken by the Iron Horde. But if that was the real Velen he's an idiot because he did it to save something that was already lost in his timeline, so I think it was Alternate Timeline Velen that gave some mark on his forehead to Yrel (i'm guessing whatever made him a prophet) because he's a racist prick and wouldn't give it to my Dwarf Shaman, and then died makeing a dark Naaru light again.

I thought those flowers were tiny flattened goblins.

Yeah, that was alt-Velen. Regular Velen never went to Draenor, he just fucked around on the Exodar doing whatever all expansion, just as he has for the last three.

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Good. I would have called him the biggest idiot ever if he killed himself for something that was already gone.

And your response is. Sorry we killed him XDDDDDDDD

and then the legion wins, the end

ignoring how fucking stupid it is that illidan is suddenly the chosen one, this entire scene reminds me of how FFXIV has you talking to hydaelyn, its very similar how you are just floating around in space talking to a giant shiny thing. In this case its a naa´ru and not a giant crystal.

might sound weird to complain about that in particular but I find it hilarious that blizzaard is taking stuff from a wow clone.

Is this fucking Final Fantasy XIV now?

My brain hurts now.

Why. They fucked Illidan over once (twice?) already. Why do they have to do this shit again.
Is it because they think that dragging his ass out will bring back people?

it's all they ever did. rip off the competition and then outmarket them to trick retards into thinking they're innovative.

barrens chat is barrens chat, and liking something because it's popular is a dumb reason, same train of thought is why CoD keeps selling

So they killed Varian, means SW will be commanded by a flaming homo? Christ why they had to kill Garithos?

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sometimes i wonder about other people's nostalgia
i was a runescape poorfag so it's songs like autumn voyage for me

I wouldnt say I like it because it was popular, Its more that I dislike how seeing the game being kinda empty, when I want to be social and trade items or lockpick stuff for people.

an active server is just ok for me, even if it might be a bit shitty.

I don't see a problem with cheerleader elves at all

That's the problem.

problem was it was empty if you figure in they pushed the server capabilities for WoW well past what it could hold and as a result we had almost no render distance in some zones

What's the likelihood that after wow shuts down Blizzard will shut down private servers out of spite?

There's not enough?

Wait, so who do they kill off in this movie?

Flying mounts killed wpvp. LFG/LFR with cross-realm players killed the server communities. Attunement removals and welfare epics killed raids.

They'd have to take all of those things out to get a decent game going again.

Why, it's the Legion Season of course :)

hahah! :D

It's the Legion Season! :) hahah

Buy now for a free level 100!

'no'