Atmospheric Carbon Levels Pass the Point of No Return

complex.com/life/2016/09/enjoy-earth-while-it-lasts-atmospheric-carbon-levels-pass-point-no-return

I told Porky to destroy the world and he actually did it the absolute madman!

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Socialist moon bases with space babes when? We need to ditch this dirtball as soon as possible.

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I prefer to be an optimist with these sorts of situations, leftism as a political grouping is depressing enough to be a part of as it is.

Hahahaha he thinks Elon Musk is helping him what a card!

(And nothing of value was lost.)

Well at least they probably won't survive the collapse of civilization.

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stop.

So…there is no point in attempting revolution.
Good to know.

Very exciting news.
Human extinction best day of my life.

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now more than ever
or else the capitalists will build completely automized domed cities and exclude the rest of world population

How do we even know that is a viable solution?

The only big problem is defense.

At the very least, we could do something to lessen the damage, or we could start making so much progress in Space exploration. We could be living in the fucking Moon.

reminder that sensationalist bullshit like this only fuels the anti-science rabble rousing

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he didn't say that

Guys, we'll just the magic machine to extract the carbon! All we need to do is power it wi- oh fuck!

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Well, what else? The Earth will not be viable either if we don't do shit, that's for sure.

I was about to disagree with you, but then I took another look at the headline and just thought to myself "Fuck Complex".

I read an article a little while ago, that says we have a ways to go till the "point of no return".

(But global warming is still an urgent issue"

Its easier to colonize places on Earth than in space.

link?

like this?

youtube.com/watch?v=My3e-MuhEkU

Yeah I'm sure it's the revolutionary product of our time, you got me.

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highlights the issues that capitalism have brought upon science. if you aren't publishing something to garner publicity you arent making money

Stalinposters are always absolute shit m8, just treat them with derision.

What? The fact that we just passed 400ppm?

then how about this

youtube.com/watch?v=wht_PGd0vm0

At least you're on topic for once.

i'm always on topic, shitposter
now fuck off
if you want to say something to the videos i don't give a fuck, rip these ideas apart, i'm not behind those, just sharing as they're related, dipshit

Huh, interesting. Never thought of that.

I've actually started warming up to leftist economics and browsing this board. I'm taking my time with it, but definitely interesting stuff.

the fact that a new studies have been published saying that we just passed the point of no return every month for the past 5 years. false flags have been thrown so much that people are beginning to distrust the entire concept.

there's the same thing with 600k
if you take "solar roadways", it got much more
views on a video got jack shit to do with its quality
if you have anything to say about this stuff shown not being feasible, go ahead, just hold back your shitposting, faggot

i doubt that
there were no such studies before talking about the "no return"
need source

Or you and the rest of your murderous mustachios can fuck off shitting up every thread with illiteracy and autism.

The fact you're posting videos you're not even behind shows how much of a shitposter you are, you're playing devil's advocate like it's clever or original.


You're the one shitposting failed attempts at the solar roadways. It's obvious as fuck that this is what they're trying to do and you're too retarded to see it, the solar roadways bullshit is exactly what I imagined when I saw these piles of shit.

Sorry, can't find it. Pretty sure it was a NYT article if that helps

We have passed 400ppm repeatedly in the past 5 years?

No we haven't.

>>>/suicide/
you're so angry your sentences don't even make any sense anymore and are not decipherable

also, i was replying to this faggot here:

i was merely showing him what's already there regarding THIS guys idea

you fucking retard, now get lost

june
hngn.com/articles/200856/20160620/carbon-dioxide-antarctica-takes-earth-beyond-point-return.htm

may
truth-out.org/news/item/36133-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide-concentration-has-passed-the-point-of-no-return

august 2015
onegreenplanet.org/environment/things-you-can-do-today/

december 2007
commondreams.org/views/2007/12/11/beyond-point-no-return

You fucking retard.

You're a dense little spastic, the solar roadways was bullshit designed to syphon money from gullible retards such as yourself, as are the projects you linked. I had no beef with the stalin flag but it was rising until you joined it, showing your typically retarded contributions. You, the tripfag, that other tripfag that left, all complete fucking morons. You people are total cancer.

point taken

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…and we probably haven't returned to any of those points.

Congrats!

didn't even fucking say that you reading inept little faggot
holy fucking shit you're so angry that you not only can't type, you can't even read

Kill yourself you LARPing little slop faced bumfluff sporting faggot. Show me some fucking evidence beyond something you plucked off your youtube search without watching yourself or shut the fuck up.

please don't swear

ok
but honestly, your place is here:
>>>/suicide/

evidence for what even? you just jumped into a conversation with no idea what my posts were about and now you ask for some evidence… evidence of what? that you are a fucking autist that just yells stupid shit with no idea of what he just interrupted and shit up with his faggotry?

Okay.

Your posts are the precursor to solar roadways.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

i'm just going to report and ignore your faggot shitposting from here on, you can't even answer a fucking question on what you're even ranting about

what a fucking retard

Clickbait tbh. And we've already got a climate change thread on the front page.

This thread started nicely enough.
Then, the shitflinging started.
Why?
Do people actually go to the internet just to be mad?

Right. What joy do people get from yelling "kill yourself" at each other?

When I used to do stuff like that, it literally just made me feel worse and more mad.

flagposting is bad, mkay?
better start derailing threads if you see them, especially if it's a flag you don't like, no need to read up on what's even going on here

or something like that

welcome to chanland

Hahahahaha human existance is a cruel joke. For thousands of years we battle disease, nature, food scarcity, live in shit conditions, killed by a slightly heavy rainstorm, live in slavery and servitude.

And then when we finally get to the point we, humans, can take our own fate into our hands, we kill ourselves.

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I've been watching friendlyjordies. Something worth considering for spreading to farmers.


The planet isn't dying, most species on it are.

Also, some words from potholer54:

Probably most important part. There's literally no reason to delay action. This is LITERALLY the most important political issue, because without action, all other politics could become irrelevant.

Pretty much. Despair certainly doesn't help either. We need some revolutions now more than ever.

Is he a comrade? He seems pretty based…

Shit People Say About Unions: youtube.com/watch?v=QOFg6C1iOTk

Jordan crashes the OSCARS OF MINING: youtube.com/watch?v=azdJ2vd1lhg

Capitalism Doesn't Work!: youtube.com/watch?v=e7d-Rx-yBao

Worm Your Way Out of Climate Change: youtube.com/watch?v=vdCX9LO7-RU

Plenty Of Fish In The Sea?: youtube.com/watch?v=eSuUPo_Kf78

Shark Cull: youtube.com/watch?v=UG8pN3L4TXg

I honestly don't know what the fuck this is supposed to be, though: youtube.com/watch?v=F5tMVSyd8TA

I swear, I am so fucking ready for revolution all the time. I'm ready to go out on the streets and shoot some Porkies. If only the left wasn't a shell of what it once was we could have entirely avoided this problem decades ago.

We need more people to convince normies that capitalism is going to kill us all if we just stand here. Too bad 90% of the people who browse this board are completely incompetent at militating.

I swear, everything relating to capitalism makes me rage hard.

There is no way you'll get CO2 levels to pre-industrial levels just through this method because most of it has come from fossil fuels, not the destruction of living carbon sinks like forests and grasslands. Fossilized carbon sinks are not so easily replenished.

Holla Forums is full of denialist retards as usual. What a great place to discuss radical politics!

wut

This is all thanks to rampant liberalism, giving businesses free reign to pollute as much as they want. There's a reason CONSERVATISM is called what it is, because it wants to CONSERVE the environment.

Can't even tell if you're trolling

Denial is the first stage of grief. When people are told "If revolution doesn't happen, you're going to fucking die" when revolution has an improbably low chance of occurring, people turn to denial because it's the only thing that comforts them. It gives them hope. They'd rather deny anything is wrong than face the facts and fall into despair.

aaand it's closed

…and suddenly It's years ago and I'm playing The Journeyman Project.

Time for Revolutionary Mass Suicide Threats.

Porkies still need labor and consumers, but they can't use state violence against us to keep us from all threatening to kill ourselves.

Stop posting

Are you triggered?

You can't assign an exact ppm value to "the point of no return". There is a point of no return, or at least a point beyond which we can't fix the problem by simply eliminating greenhouse gas emissions, but we don't know exactly what that point is. Headlines which imply the scientific community has agreed upon a precise value as the "point of no return" actually undermine the public's trust in science, especially when there will be another very similar article out next year with a slightly different value.

The problem is that climate change is so gradual that humans just can't see it as urgent. Humans are terrible at planning for things beyond the next decade. The only way to get people to give a shit is to create artificial deadlines and thresholds, but they're not really scientifically precise.

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Is the temperature trending in the same direction? No.

Is there quantifiable data about the effect of atmospheric carbon? No.

What's your point?

It's not like increased carbon emissions will turn earth in to a barren dessert planet with no atmosphere and half the gravity, and that would be the starting point at the moon. How can you think colonizing the moon is plausible, but surviving on a slightly warmer earth is not? Trying to escape to space is, and I'm putting this gently, dumb as fuck.

lol, yeah, it's just human nature

Fuck this defeatism. We should still try to preserve the planet. Seize the means of technological innovation and figure out a way to ramp up carbon fixing as fast as possible. Plant trees and shit literally everywhere if you have to.

Large scale Algae farms

If that does not help, we convert our capitalist economy to use seashells as currency. Driving the increase of seashell animals populations, fixating the atmospheric CO2 in calcium carbonate.

For business transactions we will have train cars of sea shells and tankers floating around. That should take care of the CO2 problem.

Also this.

Anyone with basic knowledge of cybernetics, dialectical materialism and biology and chemistry can make a model of atmospheric CO2 concentration change in time.

For decreasing the CO2 levels, predictions can be made for different ways and mass/time of CO2 fixation.

Making estimates of CO2 fixation using known data on forests, tropical forests, sea algae will also have to be accounted in this model.

Also forest fires, volcano eruptions, etc. Such model would be based on rough estimates of rough estimates, thus highly inaccurate, but yet capable of outlining the general dynamics of the system.

This sounds like an interesting research topic.

Plus plants grow faster in larger CO2 concentrations. Effectivelly making them a negative feedback to the CO2 levels in atmosphere.

Depending on the manner in which we burn the fossil fuels, we can say that it is positive feedback in unregulated, elemental, animalistic way of regulating the economy. Since burning more coal and oil gives us more energy and more machines that burn coal and oil.

In a regulated economy, the humanity would most definitely use sources of energy that do not rely on previously accumulated carbon.

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1. More trees means more cloud cover, which means less perfectly-blue skies and more of other "greenhouse gases" such as water vapor.

2. You need fertilizer for all of those trees. Fertilizer is made from a by-product of "fossil fuel" refinement.

3. Monsanto is going to sell you Round-up to kill weeds so that your trees don't catch contagious diseases.

Uh, oh! Someone didn't "listen to the scientists!"

Reminder that this man is defending us from the horrors of democratic rule of the unenlightened majority.

The increase in water vapor would be more than offset by the decrease in CO2. Cloud cover, which is not the same as water vapor, has a cooling effect because it reflects more sunlight back into space.

There are many ways to make fertilizer; the reason that one is popular is because we have a booming fossil fuel industry.

Monsanto won't exist under socialism you retard.

I don't know which one you came from, but these are some of the most obvious think tank talking points I've ever seen.

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Goats, Cows and Horses need gasoline?

let's rewild

This is literally a nonsensical contradiction. Or a deceptive admission of "I have no idea"


How do they know this? What precedent can they offer to prove their point. Computer models?

Oh okay, that's legit. I know it's impossibly hard to predict weather patterns into an indefinite future because cataloging every single possible variable isn't possible.

Thankfully the earth in its entirety is much… simpler.

Climatefags can take their doomsday bullshit and get fucked. Humans are adaptable and resilient. A planet that has sustained life for billions of years even more so.

dumb frogposter

Earth is ending.

Those need carbon tax

There isn't that much carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. The computer models do mathematical jujitsu on its effects because there's so little of it.

Using compost, that nobody cares about, right?

That user said to plant trees now, not 100 years from now.


Be careful what you wish for. Rewilding means creating "corridors" for natural predators.

Doesn't take much arsenic to kill a man either.

Yeah that's one other way. Like I said the reason petroleum based fertilizer is popular is because petroleum is popular right now.

That user was me and I was suggesting we overthrow capitalism and address the environment at the same time.

No, you're right, I'm sure there are absolutely no biological limitations on human cognition and that we can literally be magical snowflakes of infinite wisdom if we want to be.

I'm pretty sure that global warming is just caused by glacial periods, right?

That's like saying gravity is caused by "that thing that pulls things to the ground when I drop them"

Why isn't the left even more focused on the environment than they already are. A lot of people are actually worried about this.
Speaking of this it'd be interesting if we had a general thread for the discussion of environmental issues and solutions.

They really should be. The main goal of overthrowing capitalism now is, first and foremost, about survival. Many comrades may think we have all the time in the world to carry out a worker's revolution, but they honestly couldn't be any more wrong. It's the eleventh hour and our remaining time as a species can be measured in decades, not centuries. Capitalism is nothing less than a Grade IV tumor on our species and it needs to be dealt with NOW. Otherwise, we're dead. D-E-A-D, DEAD. The biological imperative of self-preservation should be more than sufficient to rally HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS to the cause of smashing porky, even those we wouldn't necessarily consider comrades. Those who aren't politically awake/class conscious at all, but just want to protect their families being an example. Ideology and various differences in opinion completely melt away in the face of certain death. All that matters is what we need to do to survive. Since overthrowing capitalism and having a worker's revolution is what we need to survive as a species then everybody, if only they were aware of it, would DO ANYTHING to make sure it happens. If not for themselves, then for their families. Who am I kidding, though? Odds are, people would just shirk off such painfully real and dire warnings and just give into denial and assume we're crazy. It ain't hard to imagine, especially since tons of everyday people are doing a splendid job at it already. I swear, it's fucking hard to find reasons to hope nowadays….


There's A LOT of good info, despite all the doom and gloom, in this thread that would be great to have in a sticky about environmental issues and how humanity's continued survival depends on us correcting them via a worker's revolution.

Other thread: 8ch.net/leftypol/res/938722.html

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But wasn't it precisely the tools that enabled us to do this that are also going to kill us, in the same gesture? I don't think we were meant to take our own fate into our hands.

What left? there is no left anymore, what's left of it are groups that had been co opted by porky and don't do anything else than preaching idpol and looking like clowns.
There is no hope.

we /postapocalyptic/ now ?

This. The only thing the system actually has to offer us is a comfortable slow death if don't resist. Why not collectively threaten suicide instead?

From what I can tell he is pretty closely related to social democracy with a focus on labour and the unionization.

Baseless scaremongering.