The Indian Removal Act

So as we all know, today is the birthday of the last great American president, Andrew Jackson (fingers crossed for Trump)

I don't think we need to talk anymore about how much of a badass he was for murdering and seizing land, etc, that seemed to be covered in the thread yesterday

What I want to talk about is the Indian Removal Act. The Trail of Tears. I have forever held the position that it was justified, but have never tried to defend it to Leftists because what's the point? I AM interested in defending it to centrist/right-leaning normies, to hopefully make them see the light.

I have a small understanding of Jackson's justifications: sovereign tribes existing within America, uneducated, savage, deteriorating and degenerate culture. Do any of you anons have any solid knowledge about the historical context behind the Indian Removal Act beyond what one can find via wikipedia or just saying fuck Indians?

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Yes they were but the 5 civilized tribes particularly the Cherokee were trying to fix these issues and accommodate European encroachment as best they could, while preserving their lands and people.

America did not have moral superiority in this contest, but it was a simple might makes right, survival of the fittest, my way or the trailway situation.

I disagree with the fact he was the last great US president. Lincoln and JFK both lost their lives by trying to rid the world of the jewish threat, they both deserve praise

lincoln was a tyrant, a traitor, and a communist. He deserves no praise

First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1829


First Annual Message to Congress, December 8, 1829
By persuasion and force they have been made to retire from river to river and from mountain to mountain, until some of the tribes have become extinct and others have left but remnants to preserve for awhile their once terrible names.


Second Annual Message to Congress, December 6, 1830


Third Annual Message to Congress, December 6, 1831

more hyperbole than anything. He certainly makes the shortlist of any sane person's top 3 presidents.


Did anyone have the moral superiority? Or was it just a classic case of proximity + diversity = conflict and there was just no peaceful way of sorting it out? Some people seem to think Jackson could have left them alone and everything would have been fine but that just seems patently ridiculous to me

Fourth Annual Message to Congress, December 4, 1832


Fifth Annual Message to Congress, December 3, 1833
That those tribes can not exist surrounded by our settlements and in continual contact with our citizens is certain. They have neither the intelligence, the industry, the moral habits, nor the desire of improvement which are essential to any favorable change in their condition.


Sixth Annual Message to Congress, December 1, 1834


Seventh Annual Message to Congress, December 7, 1835

Fuck yes, thanks user. This is more or less exactly what I was looking for

What? The confederacy was ran by kikes who had the support of European Central Banks. Lincoln created a new monetary system of the greenbacks which angered the bankers. The only reason France and England didn't attack the US was because Russia held them at bay. After his assassination, the greenbacks were pulled from circulation and we went back to issuing bank notes based on debt to the fed.

Transcript of President Andrew Jackson's Message to Congress 'On Indian Removal' (1830)

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the fed didn't exist yet and can i see your proof that the Confederacy was run by kikes?

* mingle with their population

He really said that? He fucking nailed it.

So Jackson tried to secure an ethnic homeland for the Indians to prevent their genocide?

Sorry okay but he relocated Noble tribes.
The Choctaw were highly regarded by white settlers, they were legitimately peaceful tribe who worked in unison with the Americans. Choctaw fought for the South and Choctaw thought with the colonists, the relocation Act was a land grab, and even the whites protested against it.

You don't have to justify everything, you don't really see people on here saying that if Hitler did drugs that would be just fine, nobody has to be perfect.

Also of note…

Benjamin Franklin, from his autobiography, 1750s


Orders of George Washington to General John Sullivan, May 31, 1779


Governor William Henry Harrison, of the Indiana Territory (1800-1812) while defending displacement of the Indians


John Quincy Adams, 1802, when rationalizing territorial imperatives as God’s will
Shall the fields and vallies, which a beneficent God has formed to teem with the life of innumerable multitudes, be condemned to everlasting barrenness?”


President Thomas Jefferson, The Papers of Thomas Jefferson, December 29, 1813


James Monroe, in a letter to Andrew Jackson, October 5, 1817

Seems that way, at least until he realized they were just fucking savages that would never change.

Who gives a fuck? Not rural white Americans, they hate injuns to this day. Also the Trail of Tears wasn't even a forced march they gave the injuns nearly a year to get ready and gave them funds to contract logistical support for their exile. Guess what happened. Low time preference happened, so they gave them another 3 months then finally just had the army escort them. However Injuns being injuns they got cholera on the way due to an outbreak in the region and not sterilizing their water. They were not rushed and it was their own fault that they didn't buy any winter clothing(this was also in the south so the idea that it was a harsh winter is total bullshit). The army even gave them clothing and leather for shoes.

It's like the bullshit stories about smallpox blankets, made up out of whole cloth. Whites are too damn lenient, hopefully this time we will simply exterminate all kikes and shitskins by simply letting them starve to death and nuking what remains.

YES. He is literally the only reason that any of them are even alive today at all. They should be erecting statues in his honor, not demonizing him.

Chief Justice John Marshall, Johnson and Graham’s Lessee v. William M’Intosh, 1823


President Andrew Jackson, in his fifth annual message, December 3, 1833


General Philip Henry Sheridan, 1869


Commissioner of Indian Affairs, 1887


(((Theodore Roosevelt))), The Winning of the West, Vol. I. 1889

My main disagreement with them is twofold: they were fucking lying hypocrites about genociding the indians, and they would sign peace treaties only to renege on them later. They acted exactly like jews.

It's disgusting because it's nothing but constant opportunism, which is exactly how the jews go through life. If we hadn't genocided the natives, there's probably a good chance we would have integrated better with nature and the natural landscape in a way that would have made us more resistant to jew infiltration. The destruction of the indian was immediately followed by the civil war and all the jewing that went on afterwards.

The native indians genocided the solutreans, or at the very least bred them into nonexistence, and they are a direct racial competitor, but whites became an advanced civilization because the empathy and compassion allowed us to make the best use of the other organisms in our environment. We have good relations with dogs, horses, cats, and almost every animal on the planet, and there's no reason why we can't get along agreeably with other species. Only the two-faced jew is completely opposed to our existence, and it is shameful that we would act like they do. it's not so much a point of morality, but a point that the short term opportunistic thinking of the jew always backfires in the long run. Anyone who thinks it is good or necessary to genocide other races merely because they are possible competitors is thinking like a jew and that sort of thinking is inherently self-destructive. Look at the fucking mess over the past 200 years, we've been thoroughly infiltrated by the jew and I blame that on typical weak short-term thinking where white men threw away the future of this country so they could benefit monetarily in the short term.

Jackson couldn't have believed Indians were completely irredeemable, otherwise he wouldn't have adopted two Indian children as his own.

Accepting the talented tenth and publicity stunts =/= Opposition to my statements

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With Withe guidance they some were fine craftsmen and welders, for what it took to cross the strait postponed their progress. Although anything lower than America are still arguably savage niggers without redemption.
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Obviously built on their own is a blunt exagerattioj but still applies, but I'm not American so of course I can't say shit, but are redskins really that bad all things considered? I mean they seem to tolerate it more than any other race did to us, and let's be honest if we were to be subjected to a more technologically advanced race would we not form RWDS of our own?

Even if it is flexing nuts to impress us they succeeded very well, I'd say. Now what about those "hard working" Mexicans?

Yes.
The North-American variants of injun aren't/weren't TOO bad… Though, really, that's just in comparison to their Southern cousins - they were all fucking savages.

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genocide

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You could argue that they "dehumanized themselves and faced to bloodshed"… Is anything preventing Whites from allying right now? And I mean actual redskin or fuck off, if you look like a brown spic this doesn't include you. I'm trying to wrap my head around this because for an Euro their culture is somewhat admirable and their people considerably less savage than anything darker than snow over here in Eurasia.

I was just thinking of this video, I remember my older sister showing me this shit on faggit a year or two ago and all the comments were bashing Indians although you'd never have a faggitor even dare imply the blacks or spics are subhumans.

They're savages bro. That's what is preventing Whites from allying with them.
Why do you seem to concerned with allying yourself with vicious mudfolk?

Their culture was no more admirable than that of the African savages, particularly in the North - the Southern variants were more developed, and all the more horribly wretched for it. The notion that any of these peoples were anything less than 'savage' is a misunderstanding borne of revisionist media.


Yet they are. And they always will be.
No alliance with the enemy. No need of it.

culture

Soumds like muslims taking over europe

Works

kill yourselves

Trail of Tears is overblown by modern academia.

Good post. You can add to this that the appearance on the world stage of the United States as a massive superpower by the late 19th century sure as fuck didn't make the world a better place. We became crusading bullies out of the gate, which led to the Versailles Treaty and atomic bombs dropped on Japan.

Another problem of ours in this context is that we get obsessed with land, and put that above people. If the demographics are in your favor, then you don't need vast expanses of land with your name on them.

Jews understood this for centuries, and now they are forgetting this with Israel. The dumb Orthodox Jews are the ones having all the kids now.

fuck off

This is very hazardous thinking my lad.

These lesser hominids are NOT lower-forms like the dog, the cat, the horse, etc… These are aggressive tool-using, language-employing creatures, capable of adapting to employ your weapons against you and reproduce in large number.
They will kill you. They will rape you. They will destroy your lineage and culture. And they will think nothing of it - perhaps worse, they will revel in it.
These are not animals in the sense of that which you have dominated, and you have failed - we have failed, miserably - to domesticate those beasts closest to that which you examine.

That sort of thinking is inherently self-destructive and leads to extinction.

Jackson was not the type to go for publicity stunts. He eschewed the behavior of his contemporaries.

I can't argue with the principle of segregating the races and giving their respective cultures a suitable amount of breathing room. But if we're going to argue that-that was the intent of the Trail of Tears, then Jacksonian policies were an abject failure in the context of the Cherokee.

The Cherokee adopted the ways of the settlers. They wore practical clothing, practiced good hygiene, lived in houses, and became Christian.

What was their reward for this cultural turnaround from a savage lifestyle? A fucking death march.

If people want to argue for the principle good of their relocation, that's laudable in and of itself. But Jackson and his administration didn't do enough to keep them alive or compensate them for the move. Furthermore, the Cherokee's numbers weren't voluminous enough to threaten the Anglo bloodlines. If anything, our superior numbers would have absorbed them until their genes disappeared into our own. Ignoring the obvious moral crisis of eliminating Indian characteristics, it was not in our best interests–historically speaking–to force them to move.

This thread is full of TRS tier faggots sucking prairie-nigger dick

Underrated post.

HANG THE TIMBER NIGGERS

You better get ready to march with them when we drive them off the reservations and into the ocean.

Neat… and incredibly hollow.


They were subhumans. Your claims as to their actions are no more meaningful than putting a monkey in a suit, sitting him at a desk, and saying he engaged in a 'cultural turnaround'. The point being: They could not espoues that which you imply they did, or at least attempted to, because they were incapable of it.

Fuck off injun-lover.

That's a matter of perspective - any dillution with injun mudblood lessens our people.
That's you.

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFTHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Dude, you're dog shit, and if we were to follow your rationale, we would be extinct within the century.
kys my man.

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A whole lotta (1)'s spreading ass for drunken redskins

I don't know what's being slid but mods need to quit being lazy niggers for 5 minutes

Where do you think we are?

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The worst thing that Jackson did was being a Freemason.

Can anyone redpill me on the New Deal? I know Roosevelt was a very bad president in the long-term and in foreign policy, but was he a good president short term? Was the New Deal effective?

Also what about the other (Theodore) Roosevelt? I've heard mixed opinions of him on Holla Forums.

Reported.

We know what them Indians did recently. Baby snatchers and sacrifice. Oh that payback, you can hear it coming.

A board full of shills and retards judging by you two idiots.

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Read up on the Gold Act. FDR was a piece of shit if you read between the lines. None of his programs worked, the war is what got the USA out of the depression. Teddy was okay but not as great as people say. The USA basically died with Jefferson in terms of being a functioning Republic.

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On the contrary, it's the shills and cointels that dedicate the most posts, on average (see also: Christian v. Pagan D&C threads).

Suspicious (1)'s tend to be bots. Not complex arguments.

Indian numbers were microscopic compared to ours, they weren't prone to inbreeding, and Anglo features were the genetically dominant traits.

This isn't like nigger and spic genes that essentially corrupt and destroy whatever bloodline they come into a contact with. I don't preach mixing as a principle, but rather on a case by case basis. It was a feasible solution for the time.

You know its typical White altruism to assume to latter, I'll take your word for it. Feels awfully lonely not to have anyone in this world but the Nips.

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You're gonna need some facts to back that up.

Give me your address so I can bill you for my side repair.

Just because kikes fought for the Confederacy doesn't mean the Confederacy was run by them. Also Judah P Benjamin was in the presidential cabinet he wasn't running the government

Imagine if time travel were suddenly invented. American and Euro cuck governments would suddenly cancel themselves out by undoing all of the white injustices in history.

They'd fanatically work going to each critical period in European history wiping out all of the intelligent leaders until revised history had white Europeans as some lot of retards who look like the Geico caveman.

This isn't a religious D&C thread and if you can't tell a shill from an user who's invested in their argument you're a fucking retard

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Bullshit. There was never any difference between them.

All of this noble red man bollocks is preposterous.

And, incidentally, the most advanced civilizations in the Americas were in Central and South America. If anything the North American Indians were the worst savages.

You know nothing, there absolutely was a difference. The tribes in the southwest US, Mexico, and South America were extremely brutal compared to the rest, especially compared to the northeastern tribes. I mean cmon user, the Aztecs ripped out the still beating hearts of thousands of people every year on the top of their pyramid.

Do you think it's a coincidence that the northeastern tribes had the R1B haplogroup from intermixing with whoever came over?

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tl;dr if the Time Machine existed and was ran by jews

And even then the South and Central amerindians didn't even build the more impressive pyramids they were built by blue-eyed gods

Wew.

Second pic's pretty good though.

Look again and closer this time you tard. The northeastern have the R1B intermixed. They weren't advanced, but they were a lot less chimp like then the southerners. And you really believe their cousins in the south were the ones who built the pyramids? Just a coincidence that their own myths tell of pale bearded gods coming to bring them knowledge?

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If you seriously believe that, then explain why they're such a mess today. Where are their grand buildings? Tell us of their spectacular modern civilization.

R1b means Western European admixture.

How was this determined? Sampling modern population or did they DNA test pre-1942 human remains?

No matter who built the pyramids (probably ancient aliums) the Aztecs, Mayans and Incas were, at the time of the arrival of the Europeans, far, FAR, more advanced than any tribe in North America, most of whom were just semi-nomad hunter-gatherers without even a firm grasp of agriculture.

I don't hold human sacrifices against the Aztecs, the same kind of shit happened all over Europe, the Middle East and Asia at one point or another. On the other hand, the NE Amerindians being a bunch of pacifist proto-hippies actually shows what a degenerate race they were.

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That's the whole point though, it does matter. If Britain becomes Britainstan in the future, does that mean the muslim pakis who are then living there are responsible for all of Britains history, from architecture to laws?


The NE tribes weren't technologically advanced, but they were philosophical and spiritual. They weren't pacifists, they fought when they needed to, but they were outmatched.

Just because someone lives in a tall building in a dense society doesn't mean that person themselves is advanced. Are blacks an advanced race because they live in Germany? The matter of whether they were the founders or just inheritors is a very important distinction. And the situation of central and south america today clearly points towards them being the inheritors, not the founders.

I don't see what needs defending here. In politics, might makes right. The indian tribes proved to be poor systems of governance that didn't manage to protect its citizens from foreign invaders, and therefore paid the price in the form of being BTFO. Do not blame the enemy's strength, blame your own weakness – had the indians moved past fucking tribal society, they wouldn't have been wiped out (see the Aztecs and Mayas and other central american civilizations, which managed to move a bit further, and its people therefore didn't get wiped out, merely racemixed to extinction, which is a rung above complete genocide). Indians did fuck all for millenia, not moving past the most primitive ways of life, and that is their fault alone. Even now, they exist solely because of being so pathetic that even their enemy took pity on them. The only "defending" should be done by the indians themselves. They should defend their right to still fucking exist, because I fail to see the reason why USA has to support a band of kvetching cretins that don't contribute to anything

Central and South American Indians still have their countries and reproduce by the millions. The North American Indians barely still exist and those who do are a sorry bunch of welfare drunkards.

Even a shithole like Mexico is a better country than the "Cherokee Nation".

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I don't feel like settlers did anything wrong tbh. Its not like the indians unified and created a nation of their own that we invaded. They were little tribes fighting each other and we simply joined the deathmatch. Indians should be grateful they get reservations/

yep
the same leftys that bleat about muh poor injuns while at the same time advocating for europe to be invaded by mudslimes and africans
Why don't they care about native europeans?