Arguments You Just Can't Win On The Internet

just fucking kill yourself comrade, this happened under Hruschev.

Next you'll say Stalin led the tanks into Czechslovakia.

by the way, fuck yourself Hexizy read a book you prepubescent nigger.

Merfolk, apparently. Kerderi ruins.

Triggered tankie detected.

Stalin built berlin wall is my favourite

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I don't give a fuck! there are problems that need to be fixed now that that sitting back and letting the economy churn will simply get worse!

This is literally the leftwing equivalent of creationism.

Sit back down, junior. The planet is billions of years old. Asteroids and super volcanoes, pangea continents, ice ages, desertifications

How fucking arrogant do you have to be to think these were inconsequential events compared to factory smoke?

Jesus fucking christ all mighty.

It's like you're literally retarded.

Didn't the Soviets build it?

Go on, tell us again how billions of years of biological history are about to come to an end by my car exhaust

No one thinks the planet is dyeing, we just think that the planet is going to uninhabitable for humans.

Fucking retard

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It already is and was. You think 7 billion people can be here without industrial agriculture and medicine?

Fucking dumb ass. Cities couldn't exist on your ideal earth for humans. That's the point of human industry

and porky controlled industry clearly can't be trusted not to fuck up

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I'm guessing you also believe that the government made climate change up in order to get people to buy more solar panels.

Cuckservatives, not even once.

You're the cuck.

Please, go on creationist fag. Tell us again how humans are an unnatural race of beings with intelligence and physical bodies that exist seperate from the universe and planet they inhabit and destroy.

Demiurge cucks btfo

here fag, try listening to these videos, I don't see why I should post a pdf because I bet you are to ecocucked to read them
youtube.com/watch?v=yv29wuv18wg
its a series of 9 videos

what do you propose we do when we push things too far?
move 7+billion people to the poles and abandon the rest of the planet?

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OMG THE TREE IS TOO TALL WE CAN'T REACH THE APPLES ANYMORE WE ARE DOOMED THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO NOW

Alright, now we know you're shitposting.

Has anybody noticed that shitposting here has gone up since yesterday? What's going on?

you are a fucking dumb nigger, do you understand the massive amount of resources you need to power a boat, do deliver food and services to las vegas?

we don't push things too far, we only have one planet to experiment what are our limits

I really doubt any discussion of climate change is going to go anywhere here.
It's a board based on economics, strictly speaking.

I'd go and watch videos by people who are more versed in science and climate studies.

So far, I'm going with potholer54 for the subject of climate change for a more detailed understanding of climate change and the climate change debate.

That i was an anarchist because i was cursed by dark Jewish magic.

Whoosh, right over your head.

Go back as far as you'd like. Even preindustry cities wouldn't exist without supply chains. Nothing beyond stones, sticks and fur would exist with supply chains exchanging resources.

It has nothing to do with the environment. The real issue is your misanthropic creationist mechanical universe mentality where you unironically believe you're a magical floating consciousness existing to spite the material world. You can claim the leafs on a tree are more important than the tree like you do with your envirobullshit, both make you retarded

says the ecocuck who refuses to even read different points of view other than his'

how about I drop DU, or asbestos dust all over your house, it's all natural, and all the studies againts them are envirobullshit right?

try posting any arguments any time now

And then I would live some place else or hire somebody capable of cleaning it. See how that works? Problem > solution. The uninhabitable becomes habitable. It's the value of science and ingenuity. Use your brain. We don't have to flap wings to fly, genius.

I will do it to the whole planet, and you are of course evading the material and economic resources that will be needed to clean your house and move to another one

try again, your argument is flawed and you are a retard

we've already pushed things too far.
it's the oil tanker analogy - there's fuck tons of lag and inertia but it is gonna go tits up eventually.
yes the planet will recover, look at the chernobyl area it's all been reclaimed by nature.
it's uninhabitable for long lived animals like humans though.
that scenario doesn't work on a global scale though unless everyone fucks off to mars for a century to allow the planet to rebalance.

Hello, I am new to this argument but are you literally saying that humans should move to space/under the sea once the rest of the planet is fucked up?

Face it buddy. Your problem is your solution. Smaller populations of humanity by eco imperative versus small populations by ecological collapse. Both would take decades and possibly never return to the state you've arbitrarily selected from a 4 billion year geological history as the best. Which is fucking hysterically ironic in itself, that saving the planet from evil humans is only possible by… making it the most comfortable to their tastes, which is what we're doing now and you want to stop.

And that would be any different from the supply chains, industry, medicine and technology we have used now to survive how exactly?

Well, for one, it would be a task of titanic difficulty. See physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/10/why-not-space/

Essentially, you're saying that if the world is fucked up we need to build a submarine for every man, woman and child on earth and then keep each of those submarines running indefinitely for the rest of time. Once in space or at the bottom of the sea, we will have to create enough food to feed this population within this confined space. Assuming we're in space, acquiring raw resources will be considerably more difficult as you won't be able to just step outside and get stuff.

Basically, this is a logistical problem so massive that we'd need to start working now and even then might fuck it up. If we're going to have a realistic shot at space exodus, we are going to have a much easier time just not fucking up the entire planet since that would require the same amount of political will and long-term planning while being considerably less resource-intensive.

And most of that time was spent completely lifeless. Life did show up eventually, but was almost wiped out by those asteroids super volcanoes, etc. youre talking about. Those events were no inconsequential thing, but that's also the point. Life has gone nearly extinct because of those events, and now we're seeing signs that another catastrophe is coming.
So now we're worried that that event could make humans extinct or at least leave us barely surviving. Or is that fine to you?

But now that I think about it, I'm not sure what you're really denying: that climate change is happening or that we wouldn't survive it or it wouldn't be a big deal or what?

Any argument is impossible to win on the internet. People don't read to understand but to respond. Confront them with evidence and they will double down.

There is/isn't a god
Climate change is/isn't real
Climate change is/isn't caused by human activity
There are/aren't objective moral or ethical standards
Capitalism/Communism is the best way of organizing resource distribution
Taxes are/aren't theft
Trump/Hillary is the most qualified presidential candidate
OP is/isn't a faggot

Discussing anything online is pointless. You'll never change your mind and you'll never change anyone else's mind. Go read a book.

You are so ecocucked you can't even form a coeherent argument

except you don't need a small population, the ecological collapse happening today has absolutely nothing to do with the amount of people, I bet you thing Malthus was right

the ecological collapse is directly caused by capitalism, the idea of putting economic profits before ecological impact is the problem

except no one is selecting anything you inbreed retard, you don't need to set a reference in order to understand that pollution affects other living forms

speak for yourself, ecocuck

sorry, but we are not moulding the world according to our tastes, but to follow the profitable mode of the capitalist

go drink bleach, since after all its natural

you are fucking stupid, god damn

You tell 'em, bro.

Honestly, fam, I'm not sure he has a point.

I thought the idea was to post examples, not to roleplay them out.

As an aside, I was planning on running a tabletop RPG campaign soon set about 50 or so years in the future. Does anyone who knows anything about climate science have any sources which might tell what the continental US and Canada might look like during that time assuming we do approximately shit all or even double down on the pollution?

youtube.com/playlist?list=PL82yk73N8eoX-Xobr_TfHsWPfAIyI7VAP

these videos usually have a lot of resources, you can try to dig out what you might need

The internet is really fucking people up like that. Everything has to be a confrontation rather than a rational discourse.

No it doesn't shut the fuck up

if this was true, Holla Forums wouldn't exist

Holla Forums is almost as bad as the rest in that sense as far as I can tell, see

bet you don't say that to my face cunt :^)

That was me. I only said that because I'm pretty sure there's only one equality flag guy who is a culturally right liberal and I was trying to make him feel unwelcome. And anyway, bitching about people discussing the merits of theory on a socialist board is pretty silly. It's not like we all wouldn't stand behind any socialist movement that actually cropped up regardless of the specifics of its theory. (Well, except the leftcoms probably.)

Polite sage for off-topic.

Part 1: youtube.com/watch?v=dB7hrQUgIcw

Part 2: youtube.com/watch?v=F7oQTFVmaB4

Part 3: youtube.com/watch?v=XJVbeoaEces

The crimes of porky are well documented, extensive and overwhelming in their sheer destructive power. Capitalism is like a flailing retard ripping out all the life support systems on a space ship because he likes how shiny the metal is.

Jesus Christ its worse than i could have imagined

The catastophe has already arrived and it's been in motion since the Late Pleistocene when large mammals consistently went extinct in time with human migration to their areas. It's not just global warming that has fostered the sixth great mass extinction; it is the great contradiction between human intelligence and the tragedy of the commons.

It remains to be seen whether the evolution of intelligence is a recipe for long-term survival or short-term population explosion followed by ecologic disaster and self-destruction.

Perhaps the latter is the answer to the Fermi Paradox.

Nigger, what the fuck are you talking about?

The contradiction is that while human-like intelligence appears to confer a staggering short-term survival advantage, it also provides such a powerful rate of success at resource exploitation that it could end up undoing that species' success in the long term. The tragedy of the commons is when a harmful effect from the gain of a part of the whole is too insignificant for that part to care about it, but when it happens en masse the effect hurts the whole collectively. It's the story of every species humanity has ever hunted or harvested to extinction. It makes more sense to conserve a species to continue reaping the products from it, but individual or even community-level gains took precedence over overall management. It remains to be seen whether human-like intelligence can be used collectively by its species to maintain a balance with its ecosystem and survive or if it is ultimately an evolutionary dead end.

So? They got a fucking problem with that?

The "tragedy of the commons" is a myth.

lol

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The onus is on you to provide an argument to support such an outlandish claim.

This is really common tactic. Liberals say that because the USSR was to some extent homophobic, anti-Semitic, or environmentally unsustainable, the entire communist philosophy is "less progressive" than liberalism.

In general the criticism made about the USSR and whatever other red villain of the week don't make any sense

So like when a capitalist government does something wrong its seen as a misstep in an otherwise great system.

But when a communist leader does something wrong all of a sudden the entire philosophy, from the economic principles to the way the government is run to the "brainwashing" of the people, is self evidently fucked.

Like, how the fuck are the principles of free market so strong that they avoid any criticism at all? "B-b-but i'm not saying there aren't problems with communism!" Really? Because thats what it sounds like.

Are people actually using this as an argument?

eh…well.. fuck

To suppress the bourgeoisie.

this is why i hate anarchists, they always are right.

literally there isn't any reason to justify state besides muh feelings

Not even oh-so-smart volvo vegan liberals are free from the lingering influence of Cold War propaganda

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Liberals use it CONSTANTLY in hopes of countering internet socialists

You can't win arguments. Any sufficiently dedicated opponent can simply spew meaningless drivel and repeat already disproven points until you give up. Arguing on the internet is a waste of time.

Should make an article or infographic? IIRC Soviets even legalized same-sex marriage.

This is fucking retarded. What is important about USSR is it implementation of direct democracy and central planning. Both theory and practice.

That's being generous. Try "totalitarian state capitalist dictator", more accurate.

You mean how it didn't?

The denial is implied. If he did deny outright, you'd be just as likely to say "leninhat doth protest too much".

For real, son?

Recent historical changes have recent externalities, idiot.