/statism/ thread

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So anyone who dosn't like Stalin is an anarchist then? You dont got much of a winning argument seeing as the Nazi Bols are on your side.

well, its not like you could post anything else

We need someone like Stalin, but better.
New dictatorship when?

wew lad

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"Hey, how can we bullshit this commies into thinking like us?"
"Just pretend we are taking the best of each ideology and shit on nazis and ancaps. That will earn their sympathy and they wont see it coming!"

stay angry at ur total lack of theory

your lack of theory is showing

post your charts

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Looks like you need logicians more than anarchists.

I meant, they will still show up even if they're not invited :)

i think i'll pass

Eh, I think I would rather have dinner with an ancap, then support the autists in this thread.
Why oh why are there tankie scum online?
The USSR is dead, marxist-leninism will never become the dominant global ideology, and your revolution will never happen.
Zizek is correct, you people are cancer.

OG leninist coming through. spooked nazbols and in denial stalinists pls go.

Was Gaddafi an example of Socialism in one country done correctly?

no

Has socialism ever been tried?

Was his Green Book not a socialism?

No, of course not, it was state capitalism this meme must die

Did the workers control the means of production?

Were the country's resources democratically managed?

Was the transition being made to a classless, moneyless society?

The only meme that needs ending is your worthless shitposting career.

Have workers ever controlled the means of production?

Kinda. All citizens profited from the exploitation of natural resources.

In his green book yes, the abolition of money was the end state.

he was a socialist but a pretty bad example
letting people vote whether they want ownership over the means of production is ridiculous
you can't just establish peoples congress halls and leave it at that, without a vanguard party to guide and safeguard the revolution
you saw where that's getting you
instead you need to involve people into the process of planning, managing and leading, this is where you build the democracy

if anything his idea resembled anarchist market socialism more than anything
of course that's stupid but still better than NATO rats

True. But let's be honest here when he took over the Libyans were a pretty retarded people. IMO Gaddafi's experiment could have done much better had he not sided with any and every internationalist 'leftist' organisation. Siding with the IRA for example. Had he just focused on Libya the US and UK probably wouldn't have been so keen to kill him.

Not an argument

Then I guess workers democratically manage their bosses companies because they profit from their labor there :^)

It's the same in Marx's writings. Does that mean England is socialist too???

It kinda is. Cause if you'd answered honestly then you'd have to say plainly what you're currently dancing around, that socialism has never been tried. Socialism won't happen overnight. Gaddafi was an attempt at a kind of socialism. You ideological purity retards are insufferable.

This shit pisses me off. Why not admit that what was tried was a kind of socialism then look at what worked, what didn't and what should be done different. Simply writing it off as not socialism cause it didn't precipitate the global revolution is intellectually lazy and cowardly.

In the way that it's completely not.

The honest answer is that no, he wasn't an example of socialism in one country because his country wasn't socialist, you fucking retard.

Woah we got a real intellectual dynamo here.

In what way, you fucking moron?

I'm sorry you have a problem with facts. Learn to deal with reality.

Where did all these fucking retards come from? Is the US socialist too because it has welfare? China is even run by communists, so they are even more advanced than petty socialists!

Libya wasn't socialist, you fucking retard. Deal with it.

Just spit it out lad.

'Socialism has never been tried'. Then you can go find another thread to signal your beyond reproach ideological purity.

So you accept socialism won't happen over night? And you state that socialism has never been tried. So has anyone ever tried to socialism?

Do you both have brain damage or are you coincidentally located on the same part of the spectrum?

this meme needs to die.

Whatever lad. If you're holding out for your pure, untainted socialism you're going to be waiting a long time.

Fun fact faggot, Libya abolished ownership of land in 1986. He also tried to bring about 'worker ownership of the means of production'.

countrystudies.us/libya/80.htm

Now cry more about how this wasn't your kind of socialism you fucking faggot

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Has socialism ever been tried?

Holy fuck you are 100% Premium Tesco Value LARP Mince.

You are never going to convince a single person that socialism is a good idea if you hide like a faggot behind 'das no socialism' when it's clearly a failure at the early stages to implement it. All you are doing is making yourself look like a disingenuous little bitch who wants to talk about theory and avoid any difficult topic about implementation and the obstacles in the way of it.

How far off was Stalinism from Marxism.

Are there any non-retarded questions?

>"yeah well if you read his book 'the green book of flying' you'd know that one day he was going to fly"

>>>Holla Forums
Come on now.

Very

Was Stalin right wing?

No

Tankies fuck off
I'll put it simply: oligarchical ownership of the means of production =! Socialism
Socialism == worker's ownership of the means of production