Is there really a reasonable argument for bikini armor?

It looks sexy, and sex sells.
That is literally all it needs to do.

how many fucking times do we have to have this thread

To make a long story short
No, if anything there would never be a woman in armor in the first place. Men for historical and genetic reasons are the meat shields of society. Women either need to stay back so someone raises the family because a man was designed for physical battle more than woman. It's like sending a fucking cheewawa out in the field just because you want to represent all dogs.
Now the only time a woman should be on the field is as a spellcaster or alchemist. From which plate armor is pointless so they can be sexy or practical for all anyone cares. The only reason women are even allowed in vidya is because "Muh Sexism" vs genetics.

I don't think Kingdom cum will have bikini armor either so your example is shit, nigger.
They set out to have a realistic medieval world. It's their design decision.
Not every game tries to be realistic and if a game just wants so have scantily clad women do shit to tittilate male then there is nothing wrong with that.
If nobody complains then what exactly is your bloody point?

sage because it's a shit thread that tries to make a problem where there is none

Realism and immersion =/= Historically accurate and within the realms of science

By that logic, all the shit like dragons, demons, potions and a character who doesn't have to take a piss every now-and-then would all be seen as objective negatives.

Boy wee. I sure am enjoying my modern German emulator games and dying of polio in my medieval vidya.

We have this thread every fucking day

I'm pretty sure it's the same faggot that keeps posting this thread.

He always posts the same images.

Oh. And spies. Women would make great spies. But on the forefront? It's fucking retarded on a logical level. Unless the woman has fantastic genetics, from which is REALLY rare, than no she should not be a front line soldier.

A woman stepping onto medieval battlefield (as a combatant, not a Joan of Arc sort of mascot) and not being utterly dominated by male opponents is already making the world unrealistic. Even highly trained women struggle to keep up with average men.
You don't need realism to achieve immersion. You like women in full plate. That's fine! I do too, sometimes. I just also like other styles, none of which are realistic. Don't make it about realism, because that makes you look both autistic and retarded.

except as i said in the OP, that doesnt make sense

If there are no women in the game, people are still happy, but somehow putting a woman in the game requires them to look like hookers for them to be happy?

or my other point, which is that there is nothing stopping them from giving that fan service outside a fucking battlefield. Again, how is this different from putting niggers in armor?

more like "fucking millenials"

yea, because i totally said "guys why arent more women in battlefields"
instead of "why arent the ones in battlefields dressed appropriately, and why do you keep making excuses for it?"

For the record, there is a history of women in the middle ages wearing armor, sometimes on the battlefield in the case of joan of arc, sometimes in duels when fighting a man without armor would be considered unfair.

But im sure your impression is that swords weighed 40 pounds, so youre likely too fucking stupid to understand that in a setting where women are actually fighting, it is not forgoing realism for them to wear armor and fight with blade and pole weapons, which require little strength.

well yes, but that is a rare game, isnt it?

but how many games sell without women?
so why is it they suddenly sell better when the woman is on the battlefield?
and how is that selling even better when shes in bikinis?

cod didnt have women in it for like 6 games, and it managed to be the best selling game series on the planet.

Read the OP you retarded nigger

But putting women in battle with men and in armour is immersive?
They're all as dumb as eachother, I get as if not more un-immersed by a chick battling in full on heavy armour than by a nigger in a medieval game.

It looks good.

/thread

It really ally depends on the aesthetic of the game. If its something that's supposed to look realistic or gritty then I definitely prefer more realistic looking armor, if its something that's just focused on looking stylish and fun then I don't really care either way I'm good with whatever the designer's direction is. That said when they change it due to people complaining or for localization westernized butchering then it turns into a definite no buy for me.

I have never seen someone say a game like Mount & Blade needs bikini armor. In fact, I can't think of a single instance of someone saying a game that lacks bikini armor should have it added. People complain when it gets censored out, like with Divinity OS, but that's a totally different thing.

this is a complete non answer dude.

the issue is that woman are going into fights, and also not wearing armor when they do it, and against armored opponents.

i dont think that is going to have female knights either, so YOUR example is shit, cunt.

but many games try to be realistic for males, and unrealistic for females, which ruins the whole idea of it being realistic.

there isnt one you idiot, the problem is that nobody complains when they dont have boob armor, but for some reason when someone brings up games with boob armor, everyone talks about how you need women to be sexy for the game to sell, despite that being disfuckingproven.

fucking thank you.

Ive posted one image, and i saved it to my computer a minute before starting the thread.

Public opinion on female armor is entirely dependent upon the developer's attitude towards it. If they have a rainbow haired tumblrite on staff who keeps lighting up the company twitter with SJW bullshit and sexism, then realistic womens' armor will be seen as the removal of sexy bikini armor.
If the devs are cool guys who just want to make a historically accurate game (where historical accuracy can even be applied) then nobody cares.

This is why PR departments exist. A shame nobody working PR in this day and age understands the purpose of their fucking job except the guy running the sonic twitter.

No one says that. People say sex is a way to sell games, not the way.

No it doesn't. It looks fucking retarded.

We have to put an end to the cumskin menace. For far to long have they had control of the gaming landscape purely for being there first. This is unacceptable. I will not stand for straight white male fantasies being forced into my hyper realistic fantasy games. We have to fight back, now is the time, now is the place. Cumskins need to be put in their place. This is our generations Vietnam. We must stand united. United in castration. All hail the realistic female armor revolution!

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Well I think it looks fucking retarded, weird how that works.

see?
nobody cares when it isnt there, so why do people get SO bitchy when you say its fucking retarded? Its like they get triggered, have flashbacks to a twitter argument with an SJW, and start thrashing around talking about how if the game doesnt have bikini armor he cant masturbate

Mhmm, Mhmm
Yes, we seem to be getting somewhere here, where people are changing how they feel about something because they are dragging everything they can into a social battle.

so then why?
see what i mean? it sells without it, so going out of your way to use it in the most unbelievable way possible is cringe as fuck.

Placing woman in bikini is as much bullshit as placing niggers in medieval Europe.
It is also as much bullshit as pretending there were female fighters in medieval Europe.

I don't see what you are getting at. You want regular armour on females and I also want that, but you are pretending it is in any way realistic.
Can't just be happy to look at armoured ass or bikini ass?

I fucking laughed.

so only white men like bikini armor? interesting…

False statement, argument invalid

Leave board asap

Go take it up the ass then you fucking faggots.

I know many women in HEMA, and they can perform quite well provided a male opponent is never allowed to get within grappling range of her, of course the whole point of western martial arts is…keeping people from getting within grappling range of you, grappling = death for one of you, and it is GOING to be the stronger one. The idea that they are fighting is historically inaccurate, terribly unwise, and just generally a bad idea, but it isnt impossible, and it has at this point been far considered acceptable.

So if you are a female, and if you are at that disadvantage in deadly combat, why the fuck wouldnt you pack on as much protection as possible?
Theres no internal logic to it.

Besides, you seriously dont find it more realistic to see a woman in plate on the field than a woman in panties on the field? at least the armor does the work for her for gods sake.

been here since you were a young one, not going back now.

You are seriously reaching it. And why stop at just bikini armor? Why not also complain about the giant weapons which would be impossible to even wield in real life? Souls games have plenty of those.

because i made that thread last week.

Cool strawman, faggot. Go kiss some more guys why don't you?

sounds like you used the strawman, i used extrapolation to parody your childish response.

Is there a reasonable argument for women in armor period?

Issue of bikini armor is taken far more serious than it should be.
If there are women fighting in the front lines, fucking why? Only usually as a last ditch effort should this be done in a chaotic world where there has to be 1 parent behind to raise the family. Hell, women in this day and age are inferior to men being grunts. Requirements are being lowered to join the military cause women can't handle mens minimum requirement to be a grunt. Think about that for a second.
So why even take armor seriously? I've seen more soldiers die in vidya wearing full body armor than I have scene men without. Hell, I'd even be okay with an army faction with men in loin cloth only with other armies being full plate armor.

Because it's apparently not enough for you to have the multitude of existing and upcoming games with heavily armored females, you want to take away bikini armor from the games that have it. Those of us who enjoy those kinds of designs are understandably irritated at that.
It's not retarded, because it's not trying to emulate reality.
Because people like it. Because it can express something about the personality of the character wearing it or the culture that made it. Put one female character in full plate with a sword and shield and another in a chainmail or leather bikini with a huge axe and you instantly create an idea in the player's mind about what kind of characters they are and how they might interact.

The idea of niggers being in Europe is historically inaccurate. What a fucking double standard you have in your bait.

Because cringing at the sight of women because you only want to fuck men isn't childish at all. Just look at all those threads complaining about manly designs.

Look at the cuck and laugh. Look at the cuck deluding himself a woman, any woman, is the physical equal of a man.

You can take any mouthbreathing lardass out there and have him exercise for a year and he'll pulverize every woman you send against him.

Kill yourself

Women are attractive and desirable, but no one wants niggers anywhere close to them

But user muh feminism

It's a problem when they're a part of the game, and are then removed because of people whining about sexy women in videogames.

That's when it's a problem.

Your problem is that certain games merely don't follow a particular art style you like. That's it. So to answer your question in the OP, it's because people have different tastes and imagination. I honestly don't see a purpose in discussing things beyond that.

There is absolutely NO place in videogames whatsoever for unrealistic dress, actions or fantasy elements. Everything must be realistic. Everything must cater to me. Fuck anyone else.

And I am sure all those victorious soldiers that have seen their buddies die in the most brutal way imaginable will respectful nod to m'ladys and escort them off the battlefield once it is all over instead of gangraping them until death.

Trust me, I have a Phd in Medieval Studies and regularly spar with m'lady using foam swords.

The funny thing is, it's actually a really shit insult in terms of its "damage", which is to be expected as a product of uncreative savage morons desperately copying a white insult.

Jizz is actually incredibly-important, because every single baby born is invariably 50% cum at the point of the first cell division, and humanity cannot exist without it. It's half of the origin of complex life as we know it, and barring those with diseases it's fairly-clean and useful substance, in addition to being safe enough for consumption.

Meanwhile, compare this with the older insult of "shitskin". Matches intended skin color the same, but shit is literally a waste material with no purpose except fertilizing plants, and contains a number of potentially-dangerous microbial lifeforms. Shit isn't necessary to life, it's the byproduct of life itself, a mostly-useless solidification of bodily waste that at very best can sit there and be consumed by microbial/sedentary lifeforms that are actually useful.

So, going off the above, niggers, spics and the like are calling us white people a useful and vital material that's fundamental to humankind and multi-cellular life as whole and irreplaceable, while we're calling them utter waste only good for being smashed into the dirt and consumed by life that people actually give a fuck about. That's one wide fucking gulf of insult quality.

It's fun and it can help visual characterization.
Besides, bikini armor only commonly shows up in situations where either A) it's being worn by a character whose entire shtick is never getting into melee combat in the first place, B) a female Conan the Barbarian, in which case the armor is replaced by muscles for both men and women, or C) an actual H-game, at which point all pretext of realism goes out the window for the sake of penis.

well if they are going to fight, then yes, id say wearing armor is reasonable, necessary even.

as said previously, i fucking hate magic, I hate magic especially because mages are OP as fuck, but that is a topic for another time, and possibly /tg/

That said, ive already covered why that argument does not work, but once again
you have to accept that in those worlds there is magic, thats how it was done, whatever, but to accept that only men have to wear armor to prevent being killed, while women are allowed to wear whatever they want and get the same benefit? that isnt acceptable.

if NO ONE has to wear armor, it is acceptable, but if men have to wear armor, but women dont, that immediately creates a meta in the game world that says "the designers cared less about keeping the world consistent than they cared about tits every possible place they could put it"

yet another topic for another day, I did preface this whole thing with being a HEMA practitioner and medievalist, so im well aware of how armor works and how upsetting its treatment in our culture is, but the first step is to stop giving women a free pass on the armor, when we accept women need to wear armor just as much (or more) than men, then we can address the bullshit lightsaber swords.

So you're a shi/tg/uy too?

If so then we just need you to come out as a comunist and furry and we have confirmed you for the lead in the movie Max Cancer: Cuck Extraordinaire

Whatever degree you have, I recommend you take it and throw it in the trash.

I bet you also hate muscles and penis, what with testosterone also fucking women's shit up.

How about women stay in the fucking kitchen where they actually belong? Since you have such a hard on for realism, how about making that aspect realistic? No?

Milady in revealing clothing is inconsistent, but women on the battlefield is perfectly reasonable because women are our equals despite all of science telling us otherwise.

Oy vey.

I've found a more suitable pic for your OP.

I asked how you can believe a world with it, you imbecile
just more of this sjw projection shit, cut it out.

so why do the men wear armor?

armor has been doing this for all time for fucks sake, plate armor was the pinnacle of expressing your culture and your house, what?

yea, the one in the leather fucking dies.

except that there were women in medieval europe, not so much black people, unless they were taking over spain.

yea its clear youve never been within a mile of an actual weapon, you also clearly dont know how to use them.

Yes. Don't play the game you don't want to see it in.

Fuck realist fags. This argument is pointless and shit and anybody who actually whines that armor is bad because it's sexually alluring are playing the type of games where the argument shouldn't matter.

What games are there that have extremely realistic and historically accurate aesthetics that even have Bikini Armor anyway?
An even better question is why do we have this thread all the fucking time?

I thought we already established that he loves muscles and penis. Especially if that penis is in his mouth or ass.

Time to check em

The ones that don't have women on the battlefield.

Because whiny betas must seek female approval.

Gender equality, faggot.

I can understand where you're coming from.

But for me. It's more like women should never be front line at all since they are an inferior sex in the physical strength department and focus solely on non-combatant specialties, well melee fighting anyways. If it's melee, than a man is the better choice. If espionage/information gathering a female is far better option for this and the gameplay should reflect it.
I'm more under the idea that this should never of been an issue in the first place. But "muh equality" ruins specialties. Some sexes are just better at somethings than others.

SOMETIMES I JUST LIKE LOOKING AT OPPAI AND ASS JIGGLING AROUND WHEN KILLING THINGS YO

SOMETIMES REAL NEAT LOOKING ARMOR IS APPEALING WHEN I'M NOT IN THE MOOD FOR EITHER OPPAI OR ASS

the premise is that women are fighting, you fucking idiots, how many times does this have to be clarified? Or does it just feel better to brush it off as a strawman so you dont have to put any amount of thought into a legitimate response?

the fairest point yet.

but this isnt the subject of the thread.

it was established earlier in the thread that were it a consistent thing, it is no problem, the problem comes when you establish a medieval fantasy setting that requires two groups of people inhabiting the same space to operate on two different realities.

Superior killing machine coming through. Women and faggots second class citizens forever.

Women can put on armor and fight alongside men as equals. You know, when they're empowered with the blood of dragons and shit to release bursts of supernatural strength. Or when they're empowered through magic or destiny or whatever other bullshit to be impossibly skilled at arms. Or when they're actually demons, or wizards, or fight through covert means which actually don't employ armor like assassination or archery. Those times would be good.

No, there is not really an excuse for bikini armor other than MUH DICK. I dislike it. It looks stupid and leaves nothing to the imagination. The same can be said for retarded male armor with huge pauldrons and similar shit. That being said, I really don't give a shit if it's there. It's not going to stop me from playing a game. It's just the sort of thing that I myself wouldn't put in as a director, unless one of the concept artists had an unbelievably fucking good character design that used it and fit the setting.

Look at him. Look at him and laugh.

Him too. Laugh at him as well.

Which is already unrealistic to begin with. So what is your problem?

If you want realism then simply don't have women on the battlefield. Simple.

Dark Souls doesn't happen on Earth or within our history, so niggers ≠ Africans in this case.

You're all still bumping this thread?
Leave OP, his fear of women's tits, love for stronk womyn who don't need no men and sage.

Sorry user, meant to be the response.

>Implying he wasn't also black

So the premise is completelly unrealistic, hence the realism argument becomes mute

Because that's how you best express the particular characters involved. Plenty of male characters don't wear armor or wear revealing armor (a Conan-style barbarian could wear nothing but a loincloth, a gladiator could wear armor showing a fair amount of skin, etc.) If you're talking a more generic tough military guy, he's going to wear fairly standard armor because that best fits the image the devs are aiming for with the character, not because it's realistic. Male characters also are often given armor that's unrealistic in different ways–intimidating evil overlord dude might have spikes all over his plate that would be a gigantic pain in the ass at best and a fatal weakness at worst on a real suit of armor, for instance.

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Now you're going too far.

We are talking battlefield en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle
Not Europe en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe
Was I of any help?

Yeah it is also important to mention even if there would be woman in battlefield, they would be naked, like 90% of people on battlefield.

Shut your moth shitlord. Back then daily life was a battlefield for the strong and proud womyn trying to escape the tyrannical and backwards societies of the West and join their fellow females in the progressive and enlightened Turkish harems!

My swords are carbon steel feders, and I only have one female student myself, whom I greatly dislike for being a bitch.

I hold no PHD because that isnt what a medievalist means.

Really though, You inspire me to make another thread about how retarded gamers are for thinking you need strength in swordsmanship. I bet you even think youre supposed to pierce through plate, how cute.

wait are you being serious?
like, cumskin is a term someone uses unironically?

i thought that was a fucking Holla Forums meme.

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You don't even play games do you?
You sound alot like a typical outsider.

all these strawmen
I really have no idea how you come to that conclusion without a distressing amount of paranoia.

You even managed to entirely sidestep the point being made and turn it into the opposite argument…good job.

Womyn r master swordsman too goy

He is just some fag from /tg/ who thinks we give a shit about his autism. Ignore him and he will go back to his dying board.

Says the guy who replied to "why do you hate looking at girls" with

And we all know why /tg/ is a dying shithole. It's filled with leftist cucks like this faggot, and they're a proven cancer to any community that lets them keep on breathing.

Yes it is, faggot. Don't ask a question if you don't want an answer.

On cuckchan maybe, but /tg/ here is perfectly fine, if a bit slow.
Fuck off, D&C shills

and yet you keep replying.

an awful lot of people in this thread claiming this argument is pointless or bait, but there they go bumping it, there they go posting multiple times.

Probably because Holla Forums is mostly full of idiots who get triggered by the idea of someone not thinking exactly as they do, and start screaming about how the SJWs are destroying everything.

Its a pretty easy way to expose the sickness underlying fullchan, that being they have in large parts gotten some kind of autistic PTSD from gamergate and now think there is an invisible, all powerful force of women controlling everything.

Unacceptable. Simply unacceptable. What a horrendous piece of shit excuse for a video game. We cannot allow unrealistic things like this to exist. Now I ask, what are we going to do about this? I was thinking we could write a petition on Change.org to have this game removed from existence. We have to take a stand against the unrealistic video game menace. Under no circumstances should anything not possible in the real world ever be allowed to take place in any video game ever. This is our time to rise. This is our time to fight. TO ARMS MY BROTHERS! TO ARMS I SAY!

I think we are done here.

People replying to you brings 0 legitimacy to your point, retard. And half of them are just saging you.
I

Go back to whatever shithole you came from, Anita's aborted fetus.

says the guy acting suspectly like an SJW
getting flashbacks to the twitter war, user?

Youve even gone and gotten yourself a strawman, how nice, cuddle him hard if you want to make it through this panic attack.

good post, one of the best in the thread.

Another good post, keep it up Holla Forums, i believe in you!.

How about if someone just likes that aesthetic for their character?

I've played the bare chested berserker/barbarian archetype in a number of RPGs both as female and male and it's obviously inefficient going into battle barely clothed but it's fucking _neat_.

Like, if the game is all male, nobody complains about a lack of sexy females, but if you add in just one female and she isnt wearing a chainmail bikini, suddenly its a problem and they are taking away your sexy women?

Uh, yeah.. I've never seed that before. Holla Forums usually only complains if devs go out of their way change already existing female characters or if the female character is very obviously just a token female.

because i like it
i don't care if you don't. when you spend your money on buying video games for me, you can decide what is and isn't worth buying
until then i like tits

How much of an obvious redditor can you be?

It's like you don't even know what ID's and post numbers are. I guess reddit is more your speed.

I guess that means their right.

What said. Wrap it up. Or post armor porn. that's always fun.

Don't spend all thread complaining about strawmen arguments and post this kind of shit. It's pointless ad hominem and since you couldn't even use any post as an example it's only you publicly stroking your own ego over your own self proclaimed superiority.

The reason hinges more on character design than internal consistency. A game's major draw is usually how unique it looks, and how it differentiates itself from the rest of the saturated market, and unique character design plays into that. Concept artists tend to ignore consistency and make character designs according to what's tried and tested in marketing. Thus the design element of bikini armor, which is (was?) wildly popular in the West. It's also the reason why there's a noticeable overlap between concept artists and fashion designers, especially in Japan and South Korea.

as previously established it is not the larger leap to make, it is more easy to believe a woman fighting than it is to believe a woman takes a longsword to the exposed belly and walks away unscathed

I may be wrong here, but i dont remember any blacks in dark souls outside if you made one in character creator.
actually i kind of think i saw someone complaining about that, i dunno.

yea but again, having them fight isnt the most unrealistic part of the scenario, its the accepted reality of the world the argument is taking place in.
As i said before, women are not ideal fighters, but its not impossible, and if they were going to fight, they would be the ones in most need of superior armor.

They'd be more in need of learning basic footwork.

Why not just directly tackle the overarching problem then? It would make more sense to make a topic about X game that has an inconsistent world and art style than vaguely alluding to a problem that may or may not be there. What specific game(s) are you even thinking about that suffer from said issue?

There are three types of people in these threads:

No particular group is wrong. I think I'm in the second group, myself.

>>>/4chan/

Don't be retarded.

Strength is important to fighting with a sword, especially as you begin exiting the realm of fencing and moving into heavier blades. While a sword may not be as heavy as it looks, it's still steel, and has weight to it.

If you can't properly keep control of the blade because you lack the requisite strength, you will not be successful with it.

The main issue women face in this department isn't even raw strength per pound, though. It's averages. Women are not only weaker for their size, but they are smaller than man by a good amount on average. A big girl UUUU standing over six feet with heavy training will have a pretty large advantage of a five-five manlet, but she's also in the top percentile. For every one of her, there are ten men

Good point, and an understated one at that. It's unfortunate that so many people ignore the intended tone and aesthetics of their setting. The only time you should be employing strange, over-the-top designs, is when you're intending for the alien feel. Morrowind designs are a good example of that; human designs look like something from the real world, the local designs look batshit fucking insane, and daedric armor looks almost alien and ritualistic.

No, you dont even seem to have a point.

look at all these bumps

ive got everything from pong to PC, if its that important to you.

yea hows that going? looks like all those people not giving a shit worked really hard to bump the thread.

when you figure out how to stop arguing in circles, get back to me.

see, you guys dont even use this properly anymore, you need to calm to fuck down and stop getting triggered by everything, this place is turning into tumblr

EPIC WIN!

Holy fucking shit Epic Win! At no point in my posting career have I ever seen a more perfect and shining example of Epic Win. I would like to meet up with you sometime. We could spend the evening rubbing our castrated penis nubs together while watching the latest Skallagrim video covered from head to toe in our own piping hot fecal matter. It will be Epic. Epic for the Win!

I've never seen bikini armor fans get triggered by women in plate nearly as much realistic armorfags do at the opposite.

I consider myself to be more in the first camp, assuming that you included visual theme in "internal consistency."

You see yourself as a good guy? Wow that's so surprising?

I'm just openly disclosing my bias.
There's nothing wrong with enjoying or wanting stylized and sexualized armor in games.

dont answer if you didnt read the question.

I think its healthy to expose these people here, they arent D&C, they are just legitimately paranoid.

far more than half, my friend, I was shocked that it took so long for the people claiming bait to actually start saging, but that isnt my point in bringing it up anyway, which would be obvious were you not whipped into a furor.

cool. already established earlier in the thread (though dont blame you for slogging through all the cancer) that the looks dont matter so much as the functions match the look.

usually? Holla Forums complains about everything, all the time.

good answer.

weird, they tell me when im on reddit that im obviously from Holla Forums

where everyone has names so it makes it even easier to track who said what? that doesnt make any sense.

i meant the general "you", dipshit.

that isnt a strawman, its a fact.

see: this thread

at this point though, would the most unique thing not be to simply be practical?
At some point you run out of spikes to put on the armor.

wew

Your argument is bad and you should feel bad, even if you're right.

No one cares about your bias faggot.

>>>/reddit/

Yeah he's some autistic homosexual hellbent on putting women under as much clothing as possible because he hates how women look.

Shi/tg/uys man. Not even once.

Did you even read the OP?

So /tg/s neghole has been pozzed to shit? How unfortunate.

I figure training would be a given, user.

what the fuck would be the point of putting anyone in a fight who didnt know how to fight?

well to start, literally any MMO.
I dont know if I should take WoW seriously or not, its hard to tell, so the only one i can think of which is inconsistent, but also too cartoonish to matter would be wildstar.

MMOs are probably the worst about it, now that might have something to do with post about korean concept artists and fashion designers overlapping, but koreans obviously dont make all mmos, just many of them.

It really burns when you play a gender locked game and you have to look like a hooker if you want to play whatever particular style at high levels.

I feel like the second option and the first option are compliments though, and youre missing the fourth option:
people who have mommy issues

Exactly, thus the resurgence in demand for more 'realistic' armor, since bikini armor is usually seen as a crutch and a blatant attempt at drawing players in via sex appeal ONLY. However, here also lies a bunch of misconceptions - a) armor was often very impractical, especially as you went up the ranks of an army composed of peasant levies as infantry and lordlings as officers. b)I appreciate the demand for creativity, but this seems driven by a childish (almost puritan) desire to replace one bland standard with another bland standard - think tokenism in cinema.

/tg/ was always shit. Where do you think all the furfags came from?

Not really.
Take a look for yourself instead of being a circlejerking nigger
>>>/tg/

I've literally never seen this happen except in cases where it was actually removed as in a forced edit or a character change.
>Tell me Holla Forums….how is putting women in bikini armor any different than putting niggers in a medieval game? It's different because it a stylistic choice. I have no problem with either If someone bakes a pie and it's a apple pie, it would be retarded to ask them to put pumpkin in it.
Sometimes people want to look cool while they are doing shit in a video game, and sometimes that's not the most practical option. It should still be there if people want it. Also this

People if you post like you're shitposting, don't be surprised when people shitpost right back at you.

Based on what I've seen, not just on this thread but in general, this is true too. It's sad because I do like females in games to have pratical armor too.

there's a place for both, art should be able to do whatever it wants to do.

What he's right about is that it's a stupid fucking thing to give a shit about, not about who is giving a shit.

I'll say this: Anyone in this thread who actually has strong feelings one way or another, and isn't just calling people faggots because they're retarded faggots, is a massive faggot.

The faggot isn't even from /tg/. This faggot:

Is just retarded, and you are too for believing him.

my personal blade of choice is the montante, I have a particular fascination with the mercenary bodyguard culture of the later middle ages, especially with the landsknecht

a montante, standing at 5 feet weighs 5 pounds, my man, some less, some more, and it works on momentum, so the idea is once you start moving it, you dont stop until youre done.

that is a greatsword. I have a saber which is a measly 1.8 pounds, a longsword which is 3.6

here, have a video from a rapier fanboy

How many times are you literal faggots going to try to push this shit here? If you love sucking dicks so much then go do that, stop trying to ruin it for the rest of us.

People only complain if a game has them and the devs remove them because some SJW whined about it. If you think I'm wrong, show me a screenshot of people refusing to buy a game because it lacks chainmail bikini's.

As for realism, who cares? It's a fucking video game. If a dev wants realistic armor and swords, fine. If a dev wants strippers with swords bigger than the characters, fine. If a dev wants belts, zippers and giant pizza-cutters, fine. If you don't like something, don't buy it. Not every game has to appeal to everyone.

I didn't call it a strawman, I called it pointless ad hominem. Don't answer if you didn't read the reply. And please don't use that cop out "This entire thread is proof" argument. If you can't point to specific examples, it can't be claimed to be proof. If you want to complain about fallacious arguments, stop using them yourself.

First thread on page 1:

8ch.net/tg/res/241337.html

Looks pretty pozzed to me.

shoulda used linybeige, he is the annoying manlet of the HEMA community on youtube.

Retarded and illiterate?
Color me surprised

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were actual useful handguards really so hard to figure out? why did no one thought having a slightly longer handguard could help parry blows?

ill just end up linking 99/100 posts

its actually because of the method used to craft the weapons, longer guards werent strong enough to hold up to blows without being too heavy.

Didn't see that coming

You and he are both undervaluing physical strength because you don't really understand how the body works.

You know why basketball players are lot less lanky now than in the past? It's not the players, it's the culture around weight lifting. People used to believe more mass made you slower. The understanding now is that training your body and gaining mass only makes you better at tasks, improves your endurance, and grants you superior movements over someone without the same training. Hence why the players are not only physically stronger, but on average better. And the thing is, they're just as skilled as the old guys. They just train better.

Weapons might equalize each other, but it's not just skill that is considered. Physical ability is important, as is a slight degree of luck. In fantasy, the protagonist has a huge degree of the latter. In the real world, this is not the case.

Women can train to become better, but men have every natural advantage in combat. Again - for every one woman of skill X, there will be ten men on that level. And the most skilled woman of all will still not be as good as the most skilled group of men.

/tg/ board culture is to turn even a shit thread into something feasible, rather than turning everything into a dubs thread. When there aren't a dozen shit threads coming in every day, you have room to get creative.

Yea at no point did I say that.

The only thing I did say was that if you wanted to insult me using a medievalist youtuber, youd be better off with lindybeige because he is a manlet faggot.

your reading comprehension is impressive.

Why do you still breathe? Why are you even here?

I'd argue I called it out, but you're right I should be more obvious.

How about a game where interacting with the wealthy means having to keep up with fashion trends or else they start thinking the PC is a peasant?

Basically, you have to buy some new clothes every month or so, one of which could include metal bikinis or penis armor, in order to stay "trendy" or you get a -30 relationship penalty because they think you're poor.

This causes a money sink where interacting with the rich means you have to spend money but on the other hand, interacting with the rich can give you certain bonuses.

scant armor for women makes sense because if you're a woman you have no fucking chance of sustaining an entire set of steel armor for more than a few minutes

men who were under 6' historically had little chance and even big dudes had to undergo significant physical training.

so two martial artists whom practice one of the only ancient martial forms in existence which was developed for warfare are underestimating how much strength plays a role in said martial art?

dude listen to yourself. Matt is a fit guy, but he does not have the genes to naturally bulk like hulk, so he does not have any abnormal amount of strength. I myself have a friend and sparring partner who is straight up some kind of viking, the dude is over 6 feet and built like a brick shithouse, even before lifting he was huge naturally, but the thing is that it makes him easier to beat, he telegraphs more, he has less agility, and he cant help but overswing.

something no one seems to understand is that you dont BLOCK with a sword, swords arent used to STOP blows, they are used to redirect them, so if he swings at me from middle, my goal is to direct his efforts away from me, and exploit the opening I created thanks to his carelessness.

strength is only necessary to the point that you can hold your weapon and wear your armor, after that it is about what you know and how well you can pull it off.
unless youre both in plate

in which case its about strength and/or how well you can wrestle, because as i said before, the bigger guy is going to get within grappling range and stab all the openings he can possibly find.

youre not being totally accurate here, your body, if treated naturally, will not find a problem building muscle, because you will always maintain the muscle mass which has been designed to work with your structure. In the middle ages especially, your only options were to eat meat and lift heavy things, so its not like you had a chance to even go giganigga.

i was getting to a point there but lost it.

its a pretty good way to measure maturity across the boards.

I think like me, most people who read it probably just glazed over it.

I honestly didnt even notice he said "misogyhnistic"

they had a moment somehwat like that in witcher 3…that shit was wonderful.

landsknecht actually did this, im not kidding.
they were the pirates of the inland, going far, far out of their way to look at flamboyant as possible, and that included their infamous cod pieces, one ive seen was straight up a 3 foot cloth boner.

either way, i like it, lets make the game.

yea im pretty sure ive seen at least one woman hold up all day in a 40lb kit.

maybe a fluke, but still more realistic than deflecting shots to bare skin because woman.

Fuck you OP. Here's me taking the bait and now I'm moving on.

thanks m8

It looks good, some people like it.

It's less ridiculous than women fighting men to begin with. If a woman was to fight a man, there's no way she can let him get close or he'll fucking annihilate her. Wearing heavy armor would slow them down and result in them getting killed more often than if they tried to stay light on their feet.

I want you to find me one example of a realistic world where the most immersion breaking thing that exists is that the women are in ridiculous bikini armor.

No, of course not. I'm not a fucking retard.

You might as well complain that trees can move and fight and that real plants can't do that. That's even more immersion breaking.

everything you just said has been covered previously, but at least you saged.

What's armor, OP? You gotta define that before you make your question, you know?
Armor in videogames isn't a piece of equipment you strap yourself to protect you from incoming blows due to the physical properties of the material and shape the armor is made off. That's IRL armor you are thinking off.

Videogames armor is something entirely different but fundamentally just 2 things:
It's a damage reduction stat.
It's a fashion choice.

That's all armor in videogames is. You say "plate mail", I say "+8AC/1DEX Bonus". You say "Daedra Armor", I say "85% damage reduction". Usually in a videogame the stats of the armor matter much more than what it looks like to begin with so people won't even care. Unless there are multiple sets that give you the best possible damage reduction, in which case it's a personnal preference between what's available based on looks alone.

Which brings us to the second point: armor is a fashion statement. Characters often don't have "social clothing" except for some niche MMO's so your armor kinda feels that rank. People will pick armor based on it's looks and by this I mean how "cool" it looks, not how realistic it is. Reminder that most RPGs featuring armor also have dragons, elves and magic. Realistic armor is out of tone there.
An addendum to this point is also the choice of gender. Since you can play any you want and it's often a cosmetic choice as well, then players assume that the armor for different genders looks different as well, with females having by default the skimpy sexy armor. If both genders had realistic armor, what would be the point in having female gender as an option? Please don't say "identify with the character", you know that's stupid.

So if the devs have only one gender, male, of course nobody cares about sexy armor. They don't expect it to be a part of the game. But if you put a female character and her armor isn't skimpy, what was the point? Might as well placed a man there as well!

Realistic armor on females in videogames is like asking someone which side of the road he wants to walk on. You're still walking the same road and going to the same place, so what was the point of that choice? If you give them two roads, one realistic and another skimpy, that's much more interesting.

Youre right, what a shame that is.

What…what IS the point of armor if it doesnt act like armor? might as well all be wearing normal clothing.

I would never fucking say that how dare you

So user, why exactly do we do this?
It made sense 10 years ago, we didnt have the power to do anything else…but why is it that weve got VR, but we still havent figured out how to make armor work?

Its like how rpgs are still turn based despite the fact that we dont need that restriction anymore, we have the ability to treat armor as armor but we dont, even kingdom come fails in this regard, allowing you to chip away at health trough armor using bladed weapons.

do you realize that if a game wanted to, it could make it so that a single strike is a killing blow, and it would still be difficult to land that blow had they just functional armor?

imagine it user, imagine the dream world where someone wakes up and asks themselves why everyone else is so retarded, and why a guy in platemail is a random bad guy, and not a terrifying boss fight.

Medieval games dont even need fucking healthbars, you dont even need a UI if you made it just slightly realistic…how magnificent that would be, a screen unmolested by stats and conditions.

We've had this same exact thread with very similar wording at least 4 times in the past 2 months.

Inability to discern the difference between fantasy and reality is a sign of psychosis. OP should see a doctor ASAP.

I wish I could make the game, here are some other features I would include:
I have other ideas too but I already know this game will never be made. It's already too ambitious.

Sounds boring and gay.

Isn't the point of armor to deflect blows and mitigate damage? Because if yes, armor in videogames acts as IRL armor. You take a blow and receive less damage from it.

I also mentioned Daedra Armor because it's the only I remenber to reach 85% damage reduction in Oblivion, I don't know the values for the other armors on the top of my head.
The point is, the name doesn't even matter. For an Elder Scrolls player, Daedra Armor is first and foremost the top tier of Heavy Armor with the highest weight and damage reduction and secondly a living armor made with the souls of demons. The stats it gives you matter more than it's backstory.

Because that's what we got and that's what we are gonna keep getting.
There are a few games like Mount&Blade where having a shield on your back protects you from arrows coming behind you. That's pretty cool.
But to extend this to the whole body? That's madness, at least in the eyes of the developers.

Depending on the level of detail that you want to achieve, you're gonna need some pretty advanced collision boxes and physics engine. You'll even have to use voxel shit if you want to make holes in platemail when you pierce it.

Now compare the work and the results of some uber simulation of armor to just say "it reduces damage by 67%". Or even just include locational damage that takes the local piece of armor into account. You're gonna get somewhat similar results for much less work, so that's the solution you're gonna get.
That and you'd need a whole new system for health. Since hitting armor doesn't "take HP points", then what does it do? You'd have to have a limb system with an hardness for bones thatcan break, internal blood that can hemorrage and similar things. Killing someone would be about making him bleed out or crush his skull. But then again, you'd need all of this simulated as well.

If you instead wanted a game where a single blow could kill a man and that's why armor, parrying and dodging are much more important, you'd have to consider how frustrating it would feel for a player to die once to any lucky stroke, or how unchalenging the combat would feel if he knew how to exploit literal chinks in the armor. Incredibly short fights aren't as interesting as long drawn out ones for most people, since it seems more luck than skill.

So unless you're willing to grab some game engine and start working on it, this will never be more than an Idea's Guy autistic dream, since no company is gonna pick such a complicated project for such a small niche of people.
Consider Dwarf Fortress and the detail in combat it has and how many people actually play it.

You know exactly why, you gibbering faggot.
Because armour-bikinis are sexy and sexy is what sells. If nobody wanted it, it wouldn't be in games.

Now get a life and stop making medievalists look like a pack of autists.

There's no point. His autism is to high. I can try for dubs but there's still people who are going to bite.

Sex sells.
That's the only argunent you need.

man, i played a game once like that, but i cant remember what it was.
Then i got hype as fuck because i thought thats how it worked in skyrim, and turns out bethesda was still shitty.

SJW simulator 2016

back to WoW, little one.

except that I could just make a magical gem that covers you in wizard goo that mitigates damage and it allows you to wear whatever you want under it.

vs

i spent a fortune on this set of armor that basically only makes me sweaty and gives me rashes, because it can be pierced by any random idiot who rolls a high enough number and/or swipes at it enough.

…is where you lost me, that was the point.

that isnt the answer to why though, which is why i mentioned that we are stuck deep in our roots and refuse to budge from them because it is more comfortable, that questions further "why", however.

lucky stroke implies both combatants are wildly stabbing and one just happens to get lucky and land a proper hit. Nothing stops a developer from simulating the natural punishment for such actions either, If you were to spar in a HEMA club by wildly jabbing about, your opponent (were he experienced) would simply hold out his sword, trap it when it hits, advance beyond your threat, and end you….or just wait for you to become exhausted from flinging yourself around like an idiot.

first off, that would be far more challenging than to just swing at something until it dies, youre acting like the proposal is that one single armor set is used across the board, and that the person in the armor does not move.

I see youve never fought in armor, its more common in my experience for the combatants to become too tired to carry on and call the match, were not talking about SCA or LARP here.

that isnt the point, the point is that we have the ability to move behind previous restrictions and develop a new standard, but it is not being done, and will likely not be done for quite some time to come, because we are so obsessed with staying in our safe zone.

Zelda already does this, its not as complicated, but in zelda bosses do not have health bars, and they have specific weak points, that game is certainly not niche, so using those same mechanics for a human is not so absurd.

find me the medievalist who wants bikini armor to function as plate armor

if you can do that, i will leave 8ch forever.

If you ever find it, send me a link. I need to try it.

fuck you OP, if i were a female with huge natural F cups i'd obviously be more comfortable in boob armor.

feel like there has been at least one new thread on this subject every day for the past month

There is no such person. But you make us look retarded by whining about this in a new thread three times a week.

the cuirass went through many style changes in the middle ages, including a "belly" style which had a large gut, I dont see why you couldnt have a large chest in there too, especially after tying it down
she would probably be uncomfortable, those things are grossly large.

Dunno how id do that, but i just remembered something similar

In vindictus, when you go to the magician's lab, he has this weird system for enchanting gear. You have to craft bottles of elixir first, each elixir has a range of "brynns" it adds, and you have a limited number of elixir you can add, further, items have different values to reach for successful enchantment, if you add too many of the elixirs and they produce too much power, you actually decrease the chance of a successful enchantment, and might as well throw out the whole batch.

Ive had a few times when ive spent a good deal of money finding and buying materials for elixirs, using the elixirs in a stupid order (like adding low power ones before high power) and having to throw the whole batch out and restart from scratch.

I laugh hard at people in the game because they will say shit like
or

literally the first time ive ever done it.

And ragnarok online is decent too, its not very in depth, but hey, its got an alchemy class and you brew potions, what can i say.
irowiki.org/wiki/Potion_Creation

one day games will respect alchemy…one day

So you believe realistic armor should be more plentiful on women, but the realistic aspect of the upperbody strength required for heavy armor and weapons should be ignored?

If we are going to play make believe I want to see some more flesh or at the very least a feminine figure.
I'm attracted to at least the bare minimum of feminine qualities and there are few feminine things about a woman in standard male intended armor.
Women carry themselves differently and are not commonly built for fighting.
Why?
I don't know, something about thousands of years of civilizations needing women more than men in order to continue thus making them more valuable and protected.
Kill nearly all men in a civilization and that civilization can still bounce back.
Kill nearly all women and the civilization dies.

When dealing with women in a proactive role I prefer either having them be magic users, magically aided or in the absence of magic something more suited to their skill set.
For instance women are more flexible than men.
They have more elastic muscles.
Better suited to [agility type] fighting.

Skills as an extension of inborn body type.
I don't mind a woman in standard armor so long as they are atypical just as a man suited to an agility type role would be atypical.
But lots of people want average women in armor and so if we are playing pretend where
I'm going to relish in bikini armor because

Dark Souls 3 fucking got rid of the the bikini armor. Now we got nothing but long flowery dresses now which is complete bullshit. I still choose wear that over armor because I want my character to look cute. I enjoy cute things. Want a reasonable argument? This is fantasy. Might as well get rid of the dodge roll because that makes no fucking sense. Video games are not realistic. My character doesn't need heavy plate because I am speed/dex build. I rarely get hit, so I don't even need the armor. Seriously I invade as naked lady most of the time. They replaced the usually sexy tatters with depressing grandma panties. I feel nothing but rage.

Gut armor is feasible because it acts as a redistributor towards any force directed towards it. Boob armor is nothing more than a funnel for any sort of impact or inertia. Not the best idea concerning the sheer amount of important shit that resides in your torso.

But hey, you did say that you were a professional LARPer and "Medievalist", not a physician or warfighter.

Stick to pretend, homie. Oh, and while you're at it, come grab the SECNAV and take him away with you. That's the least you could do if you're going to fag up a perfectly good board.

As a hardcore armour fetishist I prefer bulky armour over dumb bikini armour, but you'll always get boner droners yelling "muh T&A"

I like women in full plate armor and bikini armor may I have a cookie

May as well check 'em while I'm here

Can we just have both? I don't understand why people get so upset with skimpy outfits in medieval fantasy games. You can choose what your character wears. If you don't like, don't equip it….evil

pure evil

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It would be a crime not to acknowledge these.

You're going to have to do better than that.

Nicely done, giga-satan.

sexy sixes
style over realism in video games and fiction every time

Very nice.

Digits worth checking.

This is get this thread needed.
/thread

Not quite what I was looking for, imagine a combination of Witcher 1's potion creation system and Morrowind's one, but with the ability to think up your own potion recipes.

I like in game armor if it's well made, as in, modeled well with nice textures and good design.

Bonus points if it's also practical, but it's not required.Just don't give me like a basic jumpsuit with a texture on it. That shit drives me up the wall.

WEW LAD

Yeah, it tingles my dick in the right way.

You want realism remove the women and anyone running around in fullplate for any reasonable amount of time. I've always hated how you niggers always come in and take one specific point of fantasy and say this is bullshit while ignoring everything else surrounding it.

You really think women would be fighting in medieval ages? You think Knights ran around all day in full plate swinging shit like your picture? You think anyone would wear you plate helmet there like that? It's fantasy nigger. Bikini Armour is about as realistic as women fighting in full plate.

This is how you can tell a piece of shit, liberal cuck. It's always the phrase "Taking away your ___" and it's always used sarcastically, satirically, or mockingly.

Taking away your guns.
Taking away your women.
Taking away your video games.

It's condescending and discounts the other person's argument, also it implies a parent-child relationship where the child is the one with opposing opinions. It's one of the few cases where I can confidently say if you EVER see someone use that phrase online, they're definitely an SJW. I've not read the thread but I bet OP is an SJW

although oftentimes one side of the argument is stupid

Just a meme, even with their feminist shit today they still barely ever go to combat and make up all kinds of bullshit to not go when its compulsory, Israel has a jail full of women that dont wanted to serve the army, they literally rather be in prison than to serve their country.

So if were are going into fantasy territory and have female fighters might as well use a bikini armor too.